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Battle of Hasakah
Hello Eko i know SDF won the battle and jailed many escaped ISIS and there’s man called (DiB…..)he’s changing the results and facts!!! 212.237.120.247 (talk) 17:28, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

February 2022
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Battle of Ivankiv ref
Hello, it was my mistake that the link didn't work, because my ad-block didn't let the specific page load, and the page showed only the most recent news. I removed the extra part, because it looked like link chaff used to track where the visitor come from. I overreacted because the wayback machine is not working the the BBC live news, and i was worried that the reference may be lost in a few days.

Thank you for clarifying that the link did work. I archived the correct url, and updated the reference data. Sorry again for the mistake. Ridanbp (talk) 02:34, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

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 * Please take note of the above and of WP:ONUS - you should not restore challenged content without a consensus for inclusion. Neutralitytalk 00:16, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Control of cities during the Russo-Ukrainian War
Hi. Thanks for your contributions to Control of cities during the Russo-Ukrainian War.

Some of your edits have relied on a likely interpretation of your references, as opposed to taking the references only at face value. For instance, assumes that Russia controls two settlements (assuming you meant to switch Krolevets from Ukrainian-controlled in the table) based on how "Russian forces... have likely come along two arterial highways running [between these locations]". This requires the assumptions that
 * 1) The Russians used (or at least controlled) the road (as opposed to this merely being deemed likely by the ISW);
 * 2) The Russians used/controlled all the road (or at least the parts near the settlements);
 * 3) The Russians controlled all the settlements along the road (or at least along the parts they were using).

is based on a Ukrainian concession that their mayors are (apparently) abducted. Ukrainian concessions of Ukrainian setbacks are, of course, generally valid to cite. However, it does not necessarily follow that because a mayor was abducted, their settlement was controlled (or even contested) by the abductor – even while it is a good bet.

Is there a guideline for how much interpretation of sources is acceptable before it becomes WP:ORIGINAL (e.g. here)? If not, I suggest that we adhere closely to what the references say, i.e. that we not assume these settlements are Russian-controlled based only on the sources above, perhaps instead mentioning the abducted mayors in the More information column. — (talk) 01:24, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

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Wording
I changed the wording a bit here. If something hasn't been confirmed then the word "accused" or "alleged" needs to be used per WP:BLP. Similarly, if something is nothing more than speculation then it needs to be called out like that because of WP:WIKIVOICE. Hope you will agree with my recent additions. 122.170.70.190 (talk) 14:16, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Could you help improve an article
Hey EkoGraf. I wanted to ask if you could help improve the Russian occupation of Kherson article. Currently, it is the only one of its kind for the invasion, since Kherson is the only Oblast capital to have been captured during the invasion. I tried to model it off some of the occupation articles from the WWII era, but not sure how else to format the page. Thanks in advance for any help! Elijahandskip (talk) 21:45, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

Battle of Sievierodonetsk (2022)
The Battle of Severodonetsk and the Battle of Rubizhno are not the same battle, although they are geographically close. This was shown during the fighting yesterday and the day before yesterday, because the Russian forces and the Lugansk forces intensified their armed actions exclusively on Severodonetsk. The city is under increasing pressure, unlike the city of Rubizhno, which is over 90% under the control of Russian forces. Severodonetsk has a much greater strategic importance, is better defended by the Ukrainian army than Rubizhno, and has a better strategic position. As a result, Severodonetsk is a much stronger fortress than Rubizhne, and the city of Severodonetsk itself is still controlled by Ukrainian forces over 50%, while Rubizhno has been over 50% in Russian hands since the beginning of April. Severodonetsk is much more important for Ukrainians when it comes to the Luhansk region, because in the event that Russian or Luhansk forces occupy it, Ukraine loses 100% of the Luhansk region. The article Battle for Popasnaya should be done. Severodonetsk and Popasnaya are currently the two most important strategic places of defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, where they offered terrifying and unexpected resistance to a much stronger enemy for more than two months. — Baba Mica (talk) 11:55, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Here are Russian sources. It seems that yesterday the Ukrainians had more success in counterattacks in the Kharkiv region, while the Russians concentrated exclusively on the cities of Severodonetsk and Popasnaya. — 109.93.204.55 (talk) 13:40, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

❗️🇷🇺🇺🇦 Основные итоги СВО на Украине за 6 мая 2022 года

▪️Чтобы избежать окружения, ВС РФ с северной окраины Харькова. Сейчас российские войска контролируют восьмикилометровую буферную зону от Казачьей Лопани до Рубежного (который в Харьковской области).

▪️ Под Изюмом ВСУ форсировали Северский Донец южнее Чепеля и готовятся к контрнаступлению на российские войска.

▪️ Бои на Лиманском направлении осложнены пожарами. В Шандриголово продолжаются бои.

▪️ Союзные войска вышли к окраинам Северодонецка. Стрелковые бои в Серебрянке, Белогоровке, Шипиловке и Приволье. Под Платоновкой сбит украинский Су-27.

▪️ В Попасной подразделения ВСУ отступили на юге города к Бахмуту. Сейчас идёт зачистка северо-западных кварталов.

▪️Идет подготовка к наступлению в Запорожье: по Орехову и Гуляйполю наносятся массированные удары. Занято село Щербаки.

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Civilian casualties in Sievierodonetsk
Hi, I see you removed the figure of 1,500 civilians killed during the battle. However, this figure is actually surprisingly accurate for during the battle. According to official data, 12 civilians were killed during the period 24 Feb - beginning of May (you can see the infobox of the article for the source for that figure) and 1,500 were killed during the period 24 Feb - 26 May. Thus I think we can say that 1,488+ civilians were killed during the period 6 May - 26 May. Again, if this math doesn't check out, or the figuring seems a little suspicious, feel free to revert my edit, but I'm confident that a high percent (at least 95%+) of the civilian deaths for the period of the invasion have come during the period of the battle itself, which is why I'm rolling with the figure of 1,500 for now - because I don't want to underrepresent the number of civilian deaths by simply putting "211" which is what was left in the infobox. Additionally, according to the infobox and the Institute for the Study of War, Lysychansk is part of the battle of Sievierodonetsk, so we can count the 150 civilian deaths in that city for the infobox as well - total of 1,638+ civilian deaths during the battle.

Again, if the figuring seems a little suspect, feel free to revert - but I'd like to make a strong case for this figure -- 90% of the city's housing has been destroyed, and if we are to believe the combat footage we've seen from the battle, and the reporting of crazy door-to-door fighting battles taking place, the figure seems right.

Thanks, PilotSheng (talk) 19:29, 28 May 2022 (UTC)


 * The source clearly states the 1,500 claimed figure is for the whole period of the invasion (3 months), not just this battle (less than a month). There is no evidence that the figure of 12 dead before the battle you are presenting is a definite number, it only confirms 12 dead on those three specific days. Thus this does not conform to WP:CALC and goes into WP:OR and WP:SYNTH. Regards. EkoGraf (talk) 19:38, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

4152+ killed in Mariupol
Are you sure that 152 discovered bodies should be added to the 4000+ claim? Probably they died later, but it is not stated, and it is not like the previous claim was made by counting bodies, AFAIK. Smeagol 17 (talk) 16:28, 1 June 2022 (UTC)


 * The 4,000 claim was made mid-April. They still had one more month of heavy fighting and the 152 claim was made only now based on, according to them, recent findings. So the two claims/figures are separate from one another. EkoGraf (talk) 17:12, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Regarding your comment on Wagner
Hey, I didn't mean to upset you. Disagreements are everyday occurrences on Wikipedia. Don't give up, contrary to what you may think, I respect your opinion. - GizzyCatBella  🍁  18:48, 3 June 2022 (UTC)


 * @GizzyCatBella Just trying to word the sentence in a way that the terminology is correct, regardless if a journalist somewhere incorrectly thinks neo-Nazism and far-right extremism are two separate things. The original compromise wording agreed to with VM was correct - neo-Nazi far-right extremists. And he himself has stated that neo-Nazism is far-right extremism. Anyway, like I said, if you insist on separating the two with the "and", so be it. However, I think the sentence is overcited now (WP:OVERCITE). The last ref by Project Syndicate should maybe be removed since it only repeats what's already stated in the previous sources so its redundant. The original three sources agreed to were enough in my opinion, but six now is unnecessary. EkoGraf (talk) 19:02, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello can you help me?
I saw your discussion on Ghouta chemical attack and was wondering if you can fix the page again? Since 20121 it has been heavily vandalized by politically bias users who’ve broke multiple rules in wiki editing it, when I try to revert their edits they revert my changes in groups to avoid edit warring while still leaving up the rule breaking edits so I can’t fix them anymore, can you fix the page for me please as I can not? Bobisland (talk) 07:07, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Battle of Davydiv Brid
You're right though. I thought it was simpler to make the article in two phases and it seems to me that the Ukrainian army is again pushing the Davydiv Brid offensive in a similar way to the battle of Dovhenka in two phases where also a similar Ukrainian counter-attack in the direction of the east like the current southern counter-attack is possible to the south. What do you think? If the Ukrainian army launches a major ground attack on Davidiv Bird (and it will have to 100%, because this counter-offensive is meaningless for Ukraine without capturing that small and strategically important city), should we supplement the first article in two stages or open a new separate article? I tried to open a new article last night but it hated me because it was too late and I thought I'd go for the cheaper option. You are an experienced Wikipedian and I want to hear your advice Mr. EcoGraph. – Baba Mica (talk) 12:47, 1 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Unlike the previous operation which was solely focused on Davydiv Brid and its surroundings, the current offensive is a general one taking place across Kherson province (from north to south) and we already have an article covering it 2022 Ukrainian southern counteroffensive, including the fighting near Davydiv Brid. The only reason based on which we could make a new Davydiv Brid battle article is if a battle takes place for the town and if (more importantly) its a highly notable one so to warrant the sub-article of the general offensive one, otherwise it would just be a fork article and promptly redirected or deleted. So lets wait a month to see how the offensive develops. EkoGraf (talk) 14:30, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

What if the battle for Davydiv Brid continues regardless of the outcome of the battle? I agree that a summary should be added. — Baba Mica (talk) 17:01, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Second Battle of Izium (Lyman)?
I created the article, and you do as you wish. Share it or merge it. Your business. what to do with the new battle for Lyman? – Baba Mica (talk) 18:40, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
 * OK. I understand. Is it necessary to divide the Battle of Davydiv Brid or to combine it in one article into two phases as I did on September 1st?

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