User talk:El C/generic sub-page14

"Previous version reverted to" field at ANEW
Hi! So in this report, which diff should I have linked in the "previous version reverted to" field? I ask because there are 4 reverts... so all four? Or the first one before the reverts? Also, of what use is that to reviewing admins? I honestly never understood what the words "previous version reverted to" means, particularly when it comes to partial reverts–so it's not just an editor hitting the "undo" button, but rather partially deleting text (and, as here, sometimes there are intervening edits between when the text was added and when it was removed, so the "previous version reverted to" isn't the diff of the addition of the text). Thanks, by the way, for processing that report, and for answering this question :-) – Levivich 16:31, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. In answer to your question: we try to distinguish bold edits, including removal of text (not a revert per se.), from actual reverts. Yes, if need be, for each revert, you are supposed to add that said revert was of this or that version, etc. In this case, the edit warring on the same article was clearly problematic irrespective of 3RR, so it wasn't as needed. But ordinarily, yes, it can save a lot of time, especially when considering that the admin looking into the report isn't familiar with the edit history and that a revert may be of a version that goes a while back. I have closed so many AN3 reports as no violation or as a warning because the first "revert" listed was just a bold edit. And guess what? In all those instances the Previous version reverted to field were left blank. El_C 16:43, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Ah–so it sounds like I should have posted these diffs in the first place, in the original report (minus all the pings of course)? – Levivich 17:06, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, that certainly makes it easier to parse. El_C 17:21, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Protection of Greece
Hi El_C. The protection of Greece, is not really a content dispute. If you look at the edits of AlbusTheWhite, you will notice that over the past year and a half, many of this account's edits concern edit-warring the dumping of large-scale image changes in articles. This account was blocked yesterday for edit-warring his choice of pics at Template:Largest cities of Greece. Please see also my message at 's talkpage. Thanks. Dr.  K.  23:06, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi. Understood. Protection brought back down to semi again. Please feel free to keep me updated. El_C 23:25, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Will do. Thank you very much, El_C. Dr.   K.  23:36, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi El_C. As soon as he got unblocked, he started the image-dump edit-warring. He has been reverted by at least two editors so far. Dr.   K.  22:29, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Blocked for one week. El_C 22:34, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you again, El_C. You saved me some typing at 3RRN where he was reported by . Dr.   K.  22:38, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * ☺...hope you don't mind....move a term out of the first sentence to last paragraph where government is mentioned.-- Moxy 🍁 22:45, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

On the vandalism of Jennifer Morrison's page
Hi El_C! Thank you for semi-locking the page. I was wondering: why was the vandalism under the Partner(s) section left alone? I thought the issue was that social media isn't an acceptable source for Wiki and yet someone kept adding in information sourced from Instagram and nowhere else. Someone else kept removing the information going back and forth with the other person adding it in. Wouldn't it be better to simply revert the page to a state where there isn't any unsourced information on it? – Onchorda 02:16, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Diff? Well, if it's from one her own social media accounts, then we can take her word for it. Is it? El_C 02:25, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I took a look at Morrison's Instagram posts and I am unable to verify what Allisonscameron is claiming in their edit summaries beyond Morrison giving photo credits to Gerardo Celasco in two of her recent posts. Perhaps they were talking about a story? However, those expire/disappear and cannot be linked to. It sort of looks like fans are simply drawing their own conclusions for now. Here is a clean version of the page if you think it is appropriate to revert back to it: – Onchorda 14:19, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅. El_C 14:24, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Notice
When you block an editor, like you did with 71.235.7.232, shouldn't you notify them? Debresser (talk) 00:10, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
 * No, not necessarily. The block notice suffices. El_C 00:19, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

Luna (killer whale)
Hi El C! can you take a look here and here ~ and the talk page Luna ~ thanks ~ nice to see you again! ~mitch~ (talk) 00:35, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
 * and I just got this here ~ Thanks ~mitch~ (talk) 00:38, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Nice to see you, too. Copyrighted edits redacted (though I may have missed some), user blocked for 72 hours. El_C 01:58, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Blocking 81.35.37.251
Blocking was definitely the wrong thing to do. This block will just further entrench the legitimate concerns ,myself and others are trying to raise. The block of reinforces the notion that two different standards apply - depending on whether an editor is an admin or not.

Please have a careful look at this list. You have missed (or ignored) the need to ban for 48 hours before now, under WP:3RR, and to reinforce that no individual WP:OWNs articles on Wikipedia.

I'm really disappointed you did this. Not only have you ignored a fragrant breech of WP policy because it was committed by one of your peers, but you have exploited your position of authority against an individual who was simply following the example set by an individual in a leadership position.

There is an obvious problem here and, myself and I'm sure many others are powerless to do anything about. I have already raised this in several places and on several occasions, but at the end of the day, the message being sent loud and clear to 'everyday editors' is that admin will always support admin.

I hope I don't also receive a ban just for raising this issue, but it wouldn't surprise me if I did, because this appears to be the culture around here.

As a person in a position of leadership yourself, I hope you have a think about the message you've just sent here.

Vitreology  talk  07:57, 20 September 2019 (UTC)


 * I am not aware of any of that background. I blocked the IP for continuing to delete talk page text after being warned not to do so. Which was the wrong call. The right call would have been to discuss the matter. Their unblock request was declined by another admin, as well. El_C 08:01, 20 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Before an admin blocks someone, the least they should do is try to understand the situation and what the problem is.
 * That being said, you ARE now aware of the problem, so please retroactively apply the same standards to the other party who has been provoking this conflict by doing exactly what  has been reprimanded for.
 * You must be able to see that was simply being a copy cat? BOTH parties need to be blocked for 48 hours. :: Before an admin blocks someone, the least they should do is try to understand the situation and what the problem is.
 * That being said, you ARE now aware of the problem, so please retroactively apply the same standards to the other party who has been provoking this conflict by doing exactly what  has been reprimanded for.
 * You must be able to see that was simply being a copy cat? BOTH parties need to be blocked for 48 hours. Both  and  broke exactly the same rule at the same time. They simply must receive the same treatment.  Vitreology   talk  08:20, 20 September 2019 (UTC)


 * I'm not seeing the same infraction having been committed by anyone else — you provide no evidence to that effect (I like my evidence in the form of diffs, by the way). And we don't do retroactive blocks, anyway. Blocks are not meant to be punitive but rather to put an end to immediate disruption. El_C 08:26, 20 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Both sides have simultaneously broken the same rule at the same time. Both sides need to be blocked.


 * Here is the revert history by :
 * Revision as of 14:55, 16 September 2019 |1st,
 * Revision as of 01:49, 17 September 2019 |2nd,
 * Revision as of 04:09, 17 September 2019 |3rd,
 * Revision as of 15:40, 19 September 2019 |4th,
 * Revision as of 17:19, 19 September 2019 |5th.


 * Wikipedia's leadership need to take an appropriate response to ' repeated violation of WP:DE, WP:EW, WP:OWN and WP:POINT.
 * I'm awaiting your response to the evidence as outlined above. However, if necessary, this will be brought to WP:ANI followed by WP:AC. Vitreology   talk  09:27, 20 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Again, the IP was blocked today for repeatedly removing text from a talk page. Your diffs do not show any such infraction, not to mention immediacy. By all means, you are free to seek redress in any forum you see fit. El_C 09:35, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
 * You must not be familiar with the WP:3RR, then. It states:
 * Revert #1 was 14:55, 16 September 2019
 * Revert #3 was 04:09, 17 September 2019.
 * Time duration: 13 hours, 45 minutes.
 * This is an open-and-shut breach of WP:3RR. You know it. I know it. knows it. Everyone knows it.
 * However, you're clearly determined to be an impotent administrator, so I'll now be going to WP:ANI. Cheers, Vitreology   talk  09:48, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm familiar with 3RR, but you claimed copycat. Regarding a 3RR violations, the matter is now. Again, we don't do retroactive. El_C 14:45, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I did not mean WP:COPYCAT, if that's what you mean. What I meant by copycat was that 81.35.37.251 was just UnReverting Doc's Reverts. Vitreology   talk  14:53, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
 * That's not what I mean. Once again, the IP was deleting text from a talk page after being warned not to do so, which is what they were blocked for (disruptive editing). But you claim copycat and submit a AN3 report here, which is confusing. And as mentioned on your talk page, and sorry for splitting the discussion, you actually need four not 3 reverts in order to violate 3RR. El_C 14:59, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
 * All good. Moving on from this, hopefully we can wrap up the discussion now. Have a nice day. Thanks, Vitreology   talk  15:09, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Copy that. Same to you. El_C 15:10, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

A few things User:Vitreology. 1) The easier to understand text had been in the Wikipedia article a long time 2) You need consensus to make a change (not keep the existing content) 3) I did not at any point in time breach 3RR 4) The easier to understand text is supported by WP:MEDMOS 5) That IP is moving around in part to hide their editing history. 6) I started the discussion on the talk page. 7) The IP inappropriately filled out the 3RR discussion immediately after the warning. Best Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 16:22, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

AWOL for the weekend
El_C 21:06, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
 * , enjoy! Vitreology   talk  01:45, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

Mentioned at ANI
Since someone is likely to kick and scream about my needing to notify you; I happened to mention you here, as I was discussing an action you took at Sir Joseph's talk page. You don't have to bother with it if you don't want to. Vanamonde (Talk) 22:47, 21 September 2019 (UTC)


 * No worries, thanks for the notice. El_C 14:14, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Synod of Bishops for the Pan-Amazon region


Hi El C. You put this under indefinite full protection on August 9. A user is now appealing the protection at WP:RFUP. Do you want to respond? The edit war was something about inclusion of a paragraph quoting the Pope. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 21:53, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Looks like I forgot to set the expiration — will correct that momentarily. El_C 14:14, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

School vandal
Can you please reblock ? It appears to be a public school, given the behavior. Disruptive activity resumed once the previous block wore off, and vandals have been disrupting the site from the range ever since.  Light and Dark2000  🌀 (talk) 16:40, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅. El_C 20:51, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Warning
You've been warned once before to stay away from me, and I'm warning you again, to stay away from me and my edits. Your behavior is being interpreted as stalking, and this has been going on across several platforms, not just here on wikipedia. You are being asked to stop before this escalates into a more formal situation for you. 66.90.153.184 (talk) 20:15, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Is this missing section heading -warning even addressed to me? I'll presume that it is and add a section heading for you. In the future, simply adding unrelated text to an existing section heading comes across as a bit of a non-sequitur. Anyway, I don't know who you are or what you're talking about. But I presume that I investigated your edits in my capacity as an uninvolved admin at some point. And, no, you can not warn such a review away. You are, of course, free to seek redress in any forum you see fit. El_C 20:51, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see. I reverted this edit, where for some reason you added a misformatted protection tag to an unprotected page — then I warned you against doing so here. Anyway, what about it? El_C 21:02, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I got the same warning from this editor. They have no room to be making any threats of any alleged harassment, as they were clearly in a edit war on Human Sexuality. Lupin VII (talk) 03:29, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Best to ignore these at this time as the user has stopped editing the article weeks before issuing these. But please keep me updated if this changes. El_C 03:42, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Could you please take a look at the above editor again? You warned her for NPA previously. I reverted a comment on my talk from her earlier today, and her behavior at Articles for deletion/Dujuan Thomas is unacceptable. Frankly, I'd say with her singular focus on this one topic, we've got a COI/CIR/IDHT editor here, and a NOTHERE indeff would be appropriate. But that's just my twopence. John from Idegon (talk) 21:09, 23 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Also, a bit of education please. Where do i find the discretionary sanction warning templates? I was going to tag her with the BLP one. John from Idegon (talk) 21:11, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Type t:dsa. El_C 21:15, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I've now responded on her talk page. El_C 21:29, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Islam and Violence
Islam and violence (talk page existing, no consensus), Pacifism in Islam (talk page existing, no consenus) and Pacifism page; user Maestro16 really like to change content according to his personal pov views, without explanation and without consenus at talk pages about that stuff. I already complained some time ago about that also at your talk page. I reverted edits per talk page reasons. Maybe pages should be protected in higher protection or something like that or to user be warned about.178.221.118.83 (talk) 01:36, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I'm not particularly familiar with either of these articles, but a request for protection may be made at RfPP. El_C 01:41, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Well there are talk pages at Islam and violence and Pacifism in islam, and there is no consensus at them about changing any content so just to mention about it. 178.221.118.83 (talk) 01:45, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Bold edits are actually encouraged on Wikipedia — if no one objects to the substance of these edits, consensus can be seen to be implied. In the case of an actual content dispute, you are encouraged to pursue dispute resolution and make use of various resources aimed at helping resolve any outstanding issues. Good luck. El_C 01:55, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Many thanks, Path slopu! I greatly appreciate your kind words and recognition. El_C 16:14, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

IP sock of banned user Daniel C. Boyer
The IP who is edit warring at Insanity defense is a sock of the banned editor User:Daniel C. Boyer. This edit at Drawing, about a woman drawing with her vagina, is material that DCB and his various socks have attempted to add to that article numerous times over the years. I'm pinging, who has also followed DCB's Wikipedia career, to confirm this. I pinged -- who had been dealing with DCB socks -- from DCB's talk page, but haven't heard from them. Beyond My Ken (talk) 22:18, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks for the background. El_C 22:20, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
 * You got no idea. This guy puts the LT in LTA. EEng<


 * No question it’s him; the insanity defense stuff may be OR from personal experience. EEng 22:39, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
 * He's edited related articles in the past. (Involuntary commitment, Consensus reality, Psychiatric hospital, Intoxication defense, Anti-psychiatry, etc.) Oh, and a correction on the "vagina" edit, DCB never made that addition with their account, only with IP socks, going back to at least 2015.  Pretty much the exact same edit everytime, 204 bytes. Beyond My Ken (talk) 22:52, 25 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Two other points: the claim of "vandalism" when their edits are reverted because DCB is banned is absolutely standard for his socks, and the claim, made here, the EEng and I are socks (they can never seem to decide who is the master), also goes back a few years. All of this stuff is discussed on DCB's talk page. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:05, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Blocked by Ponyo. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:12, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
 * , sorry. I was so caught up in bot work yesterday, that I completely missed your ping. :-( — CYBERPOWER  ( Message ) 05:12, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
 * , that said, I am on IRC, less obvious 8 hours for sleeping. :-) — CYBERPOWER  ( Message ) 05:14, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
 * No problem. I'm afraid I don;r know how to use IRC -- maybe EEng does. Beyond My Ken (talk) 06:30, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Serial vandals
Can you please reblock for another 6 months? They recently came out of a 3-month rangeblock, but went straight back to vandalizing today. All of the range contributions are pure vandalism. Thanks.  Light and Dark2000  🌀 (talk) 00:55, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
 * - This person has been persistently vandalizing since June. Can you please block this one as well?  Light and Dark2000  🌀 (talk) 01:26, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅. El_C 02:16, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Portal vandal
Can you please reblock ? They've been vandalizing for close to 3 months now, and they returned after their last block expired.  Light and Dark2000  🌀 (talk) 00:03, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
 * No edits in a few days, though. El_C 00:07, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Wayback Burgers offensive edit summary
Hi there, I see in the Wayback Burgers history that the most recent vandalism was hidden, but the offensive edit summary is still visible. Can you hide it too? Thanks, Benny White (talk) 04:36, 28 September 2019 (UTC)


 * ✅. El_C 15:42, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Undisclosed changes by Stefka
In here, Stefka asked you whether Mhhossein's objection regarding "merging sub-sections" is substantiated or not. To which you responded "I agree that [[WP:FALSEBALANCE] can be viewed as a non-response response.]". In his recent edits here, however, he went ahead and removed a lot of sourced content that was by no means related to his inquiry. Please, advise. (p.s. I have a separate proposal regarding merging sections that he has not addressed yet.)--Kazemita1 (talk) 11:24, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Indeed, I'm not sure it is related to their inquiry — it looks like just a bold edit. But what about it? My advise is always to seek the clarifications from the user making the edits whenever these are warranted. El_C 15:42, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
 * @El_C: It's never a bold edit, rather a blatant violation of the article's restriction. I've explained the whole story here. -- M h hossein   talk 05:15, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Maryland Stadium - protection request
Hi El C, I have a request at RFPP but since it is receiving consistent disruption/vandalism today, I thought I would ask you as well. I think a day or two will do. Thanks! S0091 (talk) 18:08, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅. El_C 18:10, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Continued edit-warring by AlbusTheWhite at Greece
Hi El_C. AlbusTheWhite has just restarted the edit-warring at Greece, dumping the usual large number of images there, including violations of MOS regarding forcing image sizes which seems beyond his understanding. Thanks again. Dr.  K.  00:38, 29 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Blocked for one month. El_C 03:54, 29 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you, El_C. Best regards. Dr.   K.  04:06, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

European Union (Withdrawal) (No. 2) Act 2019
Could we please try a lower level of protection for European Union (Withdrawal) (No. 2) Act 2019 than what you have applied? From a quick glance, it seems most of the problem edits were from anon users with a small number of edits. Thanks. Nurg (talk) 01:21, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
 * What do you mean try? Obviously, it's going to work, as the content dispute is between an established user and IP/s. But, first, I didn't think fully protecting the article would have that much of an effect on an article with only about 10 watchers and less than 100 views over the last 30 days. And second, I didn't want to give the established user an advantage in the content dispute, even though I suppose it's mostly moot since the page is protected on their version. Still, neither user involved in the dispute had attempted using the talk page, so a total lock from the article seemed appropriate. Was there edit you want to make for which an edit request would have been insufficient? All that having been said, I am pragmatic about this and see no need to deny your request. El_C 03:37, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for reducing the protection level. Nurg (talk) 05:38, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Long-standing text
Stefka is not being fully honest about the long-standing version of the article. The following piece was in the article at least since March of this year. It was kept in the article until a few days go so I am guessing that counts as long-standing text. It was then that Stefka removed it on Sep. 28th without notice and Stefka has since refused to self-revert. "American government sources told Newsweek in 2005 that the Pentagon is planning to utilize MEK members as informants or give them training as spies for use against Tehran." Kazemita1 (talk) 04:28, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm not really sure what we're even talking about here anymore. This getting too obscure for me. El_C 04:38, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Which part of it do you not understand ?Kazemita1 (talk) 05:18, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't understand what this has to be with anyone being dishonest. And why did you split this from the original discussion? It only makes this, contextually, even more confusing. Anyway, if you disagree with a bold edit, just revert it. Just make sure you have a substantive reason for doing so that is based on attribution to reliable sources. El_C 05:27, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I will try to be as plain as possible. Stefka removed reliably sourced and attributed content from long-standing text without providing proper reason and/or discussions in the talk page. Are you saying I should provide substantive reasons to revert his edit?--Kazemita1 (talk) 08:10, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I had already addressed this twice, here in my edit summary and on the article's TP. See Gish gallop. Stefka Bulgaria (talk) 08:38, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
 * This is what I mean when I say Stefka is "not being fully honest". The article edit was done on Sep. 28th. Yet, he points to a discussion that was written on the talk page a day later on Sep. 29th! and don't get me started on how plainly the source supports the claim despite your edit summary. (CTRL+F "civilians") Kazemita1 (talk) 09:34, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
 * My edits were explained (twice), and El_C adviced you to revert if you have a substantive reason to do so. I've started a TP discussion if that helps you, but continuously accusing me of being "not fully honest" is an uncalled for WP:ASPERSIONS WP:BATTLEGROUND approach. Stefka Bulgaria (talk) 10:00, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Your edits were not explained up until later. Also, you could simply change the wording (say replacing "planning" with "hoping") so that it would reflect the source the way you wanted it to. Instead, you chose to remove the whole thing. You make it difficult to assume good faith.Kazemita1 (talk) 11:53, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
 * How so? So the discussion was written a day later — so what? What about it? El_C 14:46, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Never mind El_C. I will fix it myself after the sanction period.--Kazemita1 (talk) 19:41, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

El_C: Kazemita complained about me not addressing this edit in the MEK's TP, in Mhhossein's TP, and here in your TP. I then open a new discussion on the MEK Talk page where I specifically address the edit (now for the third time), but Kazemita1 does not address the edit there, but instead accuses me of being dishonest and making it difficult "to assume good faith". Isn't this WP:BATTLEGROUND behaviour?

He also seems to be hounding me in other forums, for instance at ANI I placed a vote on a discussion opposing a site ban on Sir Joseph, and right after my vote Kazemita1 placed a vote in support of the site ban (as far as I can see, the only time Kazemita1 interacted with Sir Joseph was in 2017 when Kazemita thanked Sir Joseph for his comment at RSN).

Then today, on Jimbo Wales's TP, I commented on a discussion concerning Arbcom, and again Kazemita1 commented right after me saying "...Israel is causing systematic bias in Wikipedia. Please, do not let them do that. I know Icewhiz and company from another article, where they are trying to change history by washing crimes off of this "formerly terrorist group" (currently an ally of Israel)..."

Isn't this WP:BATTLEGROUND? Hasn't Kazemita1 received enough final warnings and blocks to understand how they're supposed to behave here? Stefka Bulgaria (talk) 22:52, 30 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Whoa, please do not follow Stefka Bulgaria around to different pages! El_C 23:00, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

What to do?
Hello there, any suggestions on how to deal with this issue? Some user is making revisionistic edits, giving every single pre-modern figures a nationality, as seen here List of Iraqi poets (apparently a 23rd-century BC figure living in Sumer is "Iraqi", this is just one of many). He has likewise been making a ton of these nationality categories as well, which he is spamming across this site. More or less all his edits have been something like that. I would like to point this out as well. --HistoryofIran (talk) 05:56, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
 * User warned. Please feel free to compile a list of other problematic entries/cats that need to be deleted. I have already deleted List of Iraqi poets as a hoax. El_C 06:24, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, more or less all the Iraqi-related categories he has created, which he keeps adding on medieval figures, many of whom were simply Arab, or to a lesser extent Persian/Kurdish/Jewish/Assyrian etc. Scholarship doesn't make use of Iraqi as an ethnicity/nationality at least till the late Ottoman period. It's no use trying to discuss it with him, as his knowledge of English is quite low, and he will resort to racist/nationalist-calling (one of the other examples has been deleted so can't link it anymore), ethnicity bashing , or genuine sabotage . Granted, I was a tad bit aggressive/not the most cooperative in my efforts to talk it through, yet it at the same time it is quite clear that he generally has a hard time speaking/understanding English and is really hell-bent on creating/adding these categories, which has been 99% of his edits. Thanks for your help with this btw, really appreciate it. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:58, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Not at all. Again, feel free to list those here (sorry, xtools does not work for me) instead of proding individually. El_C 15:05, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Took me quite the time to compile this, that should be about it if I haven't missed anything. This is highly disruptive historical revisionism. Huge list incoming. EDIT: He is creating more as we speak. This is what he had to say SECOND EDIT: Sorry for spamming, but can we srsly block/ban him already ? He has already been warned not to make attacks, this is his second borderline racist rant regarding my ethnicity (the first one being here ), which is none of his business.
 * Category:Iraqi people of Hejazi descent
 * Category:Iraqi science writers
 * Category:15th-century Iraqi people
 * Category:15th-century Iraqi people by occupation
 * Category:15th-century Iraqi writers
 * Category:15th-century Iraqi poets
 * Category:18th-century Iraqi people
 * Category:18th-century Iraqi people by occupation
 * Category:18th-century Iraqi writers
 * Category:18th-century Iraqi poets
 * Category:Iraqi hadith scholars
 * Category:Iraqi multilingual poets
 * Category:Lists of Iraqi writers
 * Category:6th-century Iraqi people
 * Category:14th-century Iraqi people
 * Category:14th-century Iraqi people by occupation
 * Category:14th-century Iraqi writers
 * Category:14th-century Iraqi poets
 * Category:Iraqi biographers
 * Category:Iraqi food writers
 * Category:Iraqi cookbook writers
 * Category:17th-century Iraqi people
 * Category:16th-century Iraqi people
 * Category:13th-century Iraqi people
 * Category:12th-century Iraqi people
 * Category:11th-century Iraqi people
 * Category:10th-century Iraqi people
 * Category:9th-century Iraqi people
 * Category:6th-century Iraqi people by occupation
 * Category:7th-century Iraqi people by occupation
 * Category:8th-century Iraqi people by occupation
 * Category:9th-century Iraqi people by occupation
 * Category:10th-century Iraqi people by occupation
 * Category:11th-century Iraqi people by occupation
 * Category:12th-century Iraqi people by occupation
 * Category:13th-century Iraqi people by occupation
 * Category:16th-century Iraqi people by occupation
 * Category:17th-century Iraqi people by occupation
 * Category:10th-century Iraqi writers
 * Category:6th-century Iraqi writers
 * Category:7th-century Iraqi writers
 * Category:11th-century Iraqi writers
 * Category:12th-century Iraqi writers
 * Category:13th-century Iraqi writers
 * Category:16th-century Iraqi writers
 * Category:17th-century Iraqi writers
 * Category:Iraqi writers by language
 * Category:Iraqi Persian poets
 * Category:17th-century Iraqi poets
 * Category:16th-century Iraqi poets
 * Category:13th-century Iraqi poets
 * Category:12th-century Iraqi poets
 * Category:11th-century Iraqi poets
 * Category:7th-century Iraqi poets
 * Category:6th-century Iraqi poets
 * Category:8th-century Iraqi poets
 * Category:10th-century Iraqi poets
 * Category:9th-century Iraqi poets

--HistoryofIran (talk) 19:23, 30 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Above cats deleted — user blocked indefinitely. El_C 21:22, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

High-speed copyvio edit-warring at Europe
Hi El_C. is high-speed edit-warring copyvios at. Whenever you have the time, can you please check my report at 3RRN for more details? Normally, I wouldn't bother you for such a case, but 3RRN is not responding, while the copyvios fester in the article. Thank you. Dr.  K.  06:33, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Blocked for 72 hours. El_C 06:41, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you again and sorry for imposing on your already busy schedule. All the best. Dr.   K.  06:43, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Not at all. Happy to help. El_C 06:50, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Good to know. :) Thank you also for reverting and revdeling the copyvios. Much appreciated. Dr.   K.  06:58, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Category:Museums in Umeå
Permission error Jump to navigationJump to search You do not have permission to create this page, for the following reason:

Ambox warning yellow.svg	You appear to be trying to create Category:Museums in Umeå but are actually about to create Draft:Category:Museums in Umeå If you are trying to create Category:Museums in Umeå, just follow the red link. If this is the page you want to create, please make a request at Administrators' noticeboard. 93.185.28.78 (talk) 07:23, 30 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Oh, I see. At any case, ✅. El_C 14:40, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
 * thank you very much! 93.185.28.78 (talk) 13:48, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi
Why no consensus to move in Talk:Yazidis? 88.87.83.94 (talk) 17:58, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Because no such consensus existed. El_C 17:59, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
 * But if you count the votes then it's 5 Oppose vs 6 Support. 88.87.83.94 (talk) 18:03, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Consensus is not a vote. El_C 18:09, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

ANI requests length
Hello, thank you for reviewing the requests. I have no desire to reopen this closed case. I would like your opinion on whether the condensed version was of appropriate length, or if still too much, in which case would you have any advice/resource to suggest me to condense further if necessary? I guess such condensation is useful for any board/mediation/any request anywhere on WP. Thank you in advance. --Signimu (talk) 18:18, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
 * It probably could have been condensed further, but it was a big improvement from the last two reports. It's always best to condense one's report at the highest level of generality and with a focus on utmost potency — that's pretty much axiomatic. Anyway, your report failed to really emphasize on misconduct and, rather, read like a content dispute, so no further action was taken. El_C 18:22, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much, I will use your advices to improve my writing in discussions :-D I understand my complain was maybe trying to be too exhaustive (I really wanted to give all information, including temporal ones, and not mislead or mischaracterize), but anyway that was for the better as I think now things resolved smoothly, and I would anyway try to handle things differently if this happens again. Thank you again and have a great day! :-D --Signimu (talk) 23:11, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
 * PS: I don't know where to do that, so please can you forward my sincere gratitude to you and the other administrators, as I think you do a great job here to resolve things smoothly and help editors advance (rather than penalize, as they tend to do on the french version ;-) ). --Signimu (talk) 23:15, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Signimu. Indeed, myself and others, we try to build on a culture among admins which only uses corrective action as a last resort, so your kind words in that regard are appreciated. El_C 23:20, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Yet another page-blanker
Can you please block for a while? They've been persistently vandalizing for the past month, and almost all of the recent edits are vandalism. This appears to be the same LTA active at the MOS page, though the older range they previously used appears to be inactive for now.  Light and Dark2000  🌀 (talk) 00:23, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅. El_C 01:26, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

PP on Racism in Poland
Re: this (section has been archived): Whatever you think is necessary. They've already opened several threads, all with a particular ethnocentric view, all wasting a lot of people's time and resulting more or less in nothing. François Robere (talk) 12:46, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I'm just not comfortable protecting an article talk page for more than a few days unless the behaviour is especially egregious. You can always choose not to respond, or take the IP to another noticeboard. Expecting me to go through so much text is a bit much, though. El_C 15:14, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm not. Just letting you know what exactly is going on there. I'm happy to ignore them, just not sure it's the best solution. Thanks anyway. François Robere (talk) 17:40, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Sure. But I am keeping an eye on the article — I had already reverted the user once today. I haven't decided what to do yet, however. El_C 18:07, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Looks like sportection is the order of the day, after all. El_C 18:28, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you. François Robere (talk) 15:48, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Check me on this, please. The particular comments allege "incomprehension and misunderstanding" and "Goebbels-like propaganda info". François Robere (talk) 18:14, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, that is not acceptable. Please feel free to list individual diffs for me to revdel. El_C 18:19, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you. François Robere (talk) 19:12, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Leah Chase
half ~ Maybe the editor thought she had one in the oven ~ Hi El C! ~ thanks ~mitch~ (talk) 14:47, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Solomon would be proud? Hi! El_C 14:54, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

Project MC2 vandal
Now at 50.233.222.126. May be worth looking at a range block. Thanks. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:04, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting support.svg Semi-protected&#32;indefinitely. El_C 20:32, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

Turn off PC on Filet-O-Fish
Now that the article is indefinitely semi-protected could you disable PC on that article? --IanDBeacon (talk) 16:04, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅. El_C 16:13, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Just to clear an equivocation
By handle I was referring to 'Israelildan' not Zvikorn. I don't want to know people's ethnicity or nationality, and I think it wise for editors not to brandish it if only because it tends to be a bit in the face. I see Zvi is a youngster, so perhaps I was somewhat harsh.Nishidani (talk) 18:02, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Policy-wise, there is nothing cautioning users from identifying by their ethnicity or nationality in their usernames. El_C 18:06, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
 * For example, (who I'm using as an example because they just thanked me for an edit a minute ago) is a user in good standing who has been on Wikipedia for over a decade without incident. El_C 18:13, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Of course it ain't against policy. But Kashmiri tells one nothing of one's identity or nationality.:) Nishidani (talk) 18:33, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm confused. Because people's ethnicity or nationality can be inferred from that username (i.e. Kashmiris). El_C 18:35, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
 * So am I, pal, so we're in the same boat. When I saw that moniker I wondered whether it referred to Kashmiris, or folks from Azad Kashmir Jammu and Kashmir, or indeed someone who might be Gurjar or Shina. Go figure. I wouldn't ask. None of my business.Nishidani (talk) 18:52, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I suppose it could also refer to the region rather than the ethnicity. But to say it tells us "nothing" seems like a bit of a stretch. El_C 18:58, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Stretch? Whatelse could one expect from a wanker like myself:) I just can't help seeing ambiguities in otherwise straightforward terms, alas. Cheers Nishidani (talk) 19:05, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
 * No, as I said that's fair enough, but I do feel that is a bit besides the point. You're saying that the username Israelildan is a bit in the face — I'm saying that I don't see why that has to be so. Of course, if the quality of their edits are a problem, that is another matter. El_C 19:07, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Professionally, I spent much of my life arguing that political identities are parlous, that identity is the playkit of delusionary thinkers and nationalists, and, given our immense individual complexities, to be avoided. That's just a personal POV, but it is behind a large part of my work here. So, the flag waving I observe on users' pages, or self-identifications with a state don't so much annoy me as leave me wagging my head sadly. I've never met anyone who fits the stereotype of his or her or their gender/ethnic/national identity. This idiosyncracy should of course in no way undermine the credibility or sincerity of so many editors who would disagree with my rejectionism of any facile labeling of an identity. Regards Nishidani (talk) 19:26, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I can appreciate that viewpoint, but there is also the facet of simply being upfront with regards to one's own biases. However poignant or potent or pointed such a reveal may thought to be, of course, it leaves much still hidden. We are complex creatures and labels often fail to encompass the full range of, well, the human condition. But a generalization can often be misconstrued as as stereotype, as well. At any case, assuming good faith tends to produce the best outcomes, I find. And on that note, I thank you for your well-thought-out response. I appreciate it. El_C 19:38, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

RE: Warning
I have responded to several messages. Thank you for giving me a warning; however, could you explain how you ensure edits which are unfavourable to an ideology, as represented by symbols and quotes on your pages, did not contribute to a bias in your decision-making? I was merely interested to know your answer. (talk) 20:34, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Because I will myself not to do so. El_C 21:15, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh, is this regard to your recent edits? Because I took that as a broad philosophical question. In the case of the recent edits which involve you, I have yet to examine the content of the actual edits, and was merely advising you both not to edit war and observe WP:ONUS, and above all other things, communicate often. El_C 21:42, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

People's Party of Canada
You were the administrator that protected the People's Party of Canada until Feburary 21 2020. Somehow it was removed. I am just wondering if it would be added back.Thanks Weelandlka (talk) 02:42, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅. El_C 04:26, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
Thanks for being on the ball! <3

OwnstheBeagles (talk) 06:41, 5 October 2019 (UTC) 


 * Thanks for the kitten, OwnstheBeagles! Much appreciated. El_C 06:46, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Pageseditor is not here to work collaboratively
Thanks for your help as an uninvolved voice on the issues at Hong Kong Police Force. I imagine, given ’s continued ignorance of the discussion requests, that it wouldn’t be improper for me to restore the previous edits?

They have made at Carrie Lam, despite  to them adding redundant material to the lead and adding material to the lead not already contained in the article body. . They’ve neglected plenty of warnings. They’re clearly WP:NOTHERE to work collaboratively and have become disruptive to the editing process (literally WP:DISRUPTSIGNS #4). It’s getting a bit ridiculous. — MarkH21 (talk) 07:23, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I have given the user a final warning and have reverted their edit myself by virtue of it being unexplained. El_C 07:30, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Please explain your reason for deleting Hoa Binh (disambiguation)
I've added more entries to this disambiguation, since the orginal entries listed is not enough. That page was a disambiguation page about locations named "Hoa Binh" in Vietnam, so it's important that the page include every locations with that name. There are so much more geographical locations named "Hoa Binh" in Vietnam, while the orgininal page only listed about 6 of them. Those red links existed since most of them haven't had articles yet. I'm intending to create an article for each of them later. Therefore I'm insisting that you restore those entries. Cn5900 (talk) 16:41, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, if you stop move-warring, not to mention moving via redirecting(!), I can maybe make sense of what's happening here. El_C 16:44, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I, however, withdraw my objection to the redlinks. If you're going to create the respective articles, then that's fine. El_C 17:01, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Looks like the move of a previous move is what threw me off. Sorry about that. As mentioned on your talk page, I think everything is fixed now. Thanks again for your patience. El_C 17:10, 5 October 2019 (UTC)


 * It's ok. Also, I was wondering if you could delete this redirect Hòa Binh, Hòa Binh for me. This kind of half diacritic/diacriticless is so awkward, no one is ever going to use it. People will only use all diacritic or all diacriticless Cn5900 (talk) 17:24, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅. El_C 17:25, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Removed by mistake?
Hi El C, I think you removed two contributions by mistake in this edit. The last two, the one at 16:56, 5 October 2019 (UTC) and the one at 17:11, 5 October 2019 (UTC) are part of the original content discussion and not connected to the problem edits which started at 19:34, 5 October 2019 (UTC). Would you object to them being restored? -- DeFacto (talk). 21:21, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
 * No, not by mistake. That said, while it may be a bit of non sequitur if restored, no, no objections. Please feel free. El_C 21:25, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks. -- DeFacto (talk). 21:29, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Harrassment, edit warring, cherry picking sources in order to pov-push religious-related stuff, personal atttacks, you name it
Hi El C, sorry for bothering you again, I know you're very busy. You get a big cheeky kiss on your cheek from me for helping with that issue earlier, however, a new one has unfortunately occurred:

Some user is cherry picking sources that are in his favour and uses it to disrupt the GA Heraclius article. He has been reverted by me and another user several times. He forces his religious views on other comments, such as altering my comment twice (adding "peace and blessings be upon him"). He has now resorted to harrass/attack me even more, calling me a "racist" and saying I will get "punished" and continued to attack me right after he had been warned. Also, he purposely disrupted another article to "joke" (harrass) with me, pinging me on his talk page and telling me to revert it. Also, he is clearly calling me a "she" as a degrading term, which fits pretty well with his rather zealout mindset. He is quite fond of making religious rants as well. Ultimately, he clearly lacks WP:COMPETENCE and is not here to BUILDWP. --HistoryofIran (talk) 01:18, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
 * User blocked for one week. Indeed, not a good start. El_C 02:45, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

"Cancer" comment
Hi. Concerning the "cancer" comment of mine that you recently rev-del'd, apparently at the request of Sir Joseph. Despite the remark being so offensive to him that he wanted it to be removed from Wikipedia, Sir Joseph had no compunction about referring to it when I commented on AN/I that he had violated his topic ban. He also claimed that "cancer" was only one among other "vile names" I called him, a claim that no one -- even I -- can now check because of the removal of the comment.

I am not asking you to restore my comment -- I don't even know if that can be done, and I'm not particularly proud of it in any case -- but I am asking you to similarly remove Sir Joseph's references to it here and hera. You'd probably have to remove Bradv's interposing question, and my response to Sir Joseph as well.

This seems only fair. Beyond My Ken (talk) 03:33, 6 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Yes, it can be restored (technically), but as for your request, sorry, I'm just not seeing the equivalence and therefore am not inclined to do so. Referring to a personal attack and referring to it having been revdel'd is not the same as it being actually leveled. I wouldn't even know what revdel reason to input for that, in the first place. I haven't looked at the redacted revision (though any admin can do so), but to the best of my recollection, the other term used was "disease." El_C 03:44, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Las Vegas Strip
Yea ~ you know, I had plans to go to the strip, until I saw the name of that casino here, now I don't have to cancel all my plans ~ your a life saver! Thanks ~ Hi El C! ~mitch~ (talk) 17:17, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I was on the Strip once, which was an amazing experience — but I was under 21, so no winnings/losses for me! El_C 17:22, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
 * What was that like last year or something ~ ~mitch~ (talk) 17:24, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Mystery, isn't it. El_C 17:27, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Cholera outbreaks and pandemics
The reference to the article about Cholera in Kerala in 2012 did not link to an article itself. I tried reloading the page and the link still did not show any information in regards to Cholera being present in Kerala in 2012. I did do a Google Search and found that it was there, but only in isolated cases, which we do not need to include in the article. 2605:A000:1133:91FA:20A2:958D:D949:C1DB (talk) 20:39, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks for doing your due diligence. El_C 20:40, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Page protection ~ AT&T Stadium
Hi El C! can you protect this page please ~ seems to me that a user is creating more than one account and vandalizing from more than one computer ~, , , , , Thanks ~ ~mitch~ (talk) 22:57, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
 * ✔️. El_C 01:00, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
 * They have returned. ~mitch~ (talk) 00:57, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅. El_C 00:59, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

Happy Dashain!
 Namaste, El C, and Happy Dashain! WikiProject Nepal wishes you a wonderful Dashain filled with joy, love, and happiness. Thanks for all of your contributions to Wikipedia, and have a great Dashain! Cheers. Message sent by on behalf of WikiProject Nepal. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:07, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Arbitration Pell
I request arbitration in the dispute regarding Pell but hope a neutral third party can be found without any political bias. 83.128.99.144 (talk) 16:51, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
 * This is not the place to request arbitration. El_C 16:53, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Trump BLP
It's safe bet he won't be tempted to revert you again since the comment is currently on the page. &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  22:03, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Got it. El_C 22:08, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

I'm sorry?
I must have missed something. Don Trump's tweet was reported as bizarre by a RS. I've been following this all morning. Is there a problem in using The Guardian or any other source? --Pete (talk) 22:50, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
 * You were questioning the sanity of a living person by referencing their tweet. I would rather err on the side of caution when it comes to BLP. El_C 23:59, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
 * As I pointed out, we talk about the mental issues of other BLP subjects. I provided two instances. Our opinions as editors are worth nothing, but when we have reliable MSM sources that give details and explanations, that's fine with BLP. Books have been written about Trump's sanity by clinical experts. The diagnosis of a narcissistic personality isn't something I came up with by myself, it's solidly sourced, if you had troubled to read the article from The Atlantic I linked to.


 * That's the whole point really. Everything in that article from a reputable source is backed up with cites to more of the same. This isn't one cranky guy with a political axe to sharpen. This is solid research. You know, the sort of stuff Wikipedia is supposed to be based on. --Pete (talk) 01:41, 8 October 2019 (UTC)


 * That's not what you were doing — again, you were questioning the sanity of a living person on the basis of their tweet. That falls below the standards that the BLP policy stipulates. El_C 01:46, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

‎Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring
Kindly see the noticeboard. Thanks alot and my apologies. . Treannmust (talk) 03:53, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
 * At a glance, you've left three mandatory fields blank in your report. If you wish for me to evaluate it, please ensure that all three are filled. El_C 03:58, 8 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Alright Sir/Ma'am my apologies. I will do them now. Treannmust (talk) 03:59, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

Thoughts?
What can be done about the IP that continues to add "Pyrrhic British Victory" to the Anglo-Turkish War (1807–09), without any source? A similar edit first appears 10 September 2018 made by Matt Malson(who is blocked). I assume the IP is user:Matt Malson? --Kansas Bear (talk) 18:23, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I've just gone ahead and sprotected it for 2 months — hopefully, that would do the trick. El_C 22:31, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you. --Kansas Bear (talk) 23:22, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

It would help
Re your edit summaries on Donald Trump. It would help idiots like me if you used appropriate terminology and better yet a descriptive edit summary. I understand that experienced and busy editors and admins are so busy that they resort to short hand, but those aren't helpful. I always try to explain what I am doing, even if it is wordy. I know a few editors that hide what they do behind obfuscatory copy edit (ce) and the likes.

By the way I came upon someone who thought you are a leftist because of your Lenin quotes and Che. Evidently they aren't familiar with Leninists like Leo Strauss, John Bolton, or Steve Bannon amongst others. As you well known a Leninist is one who has no use for the parliamentarian process and are in favor, like Alexander Hamilton, of a "unitary executive". A Marxist Leninist is a different animal, and even Marxists don't understand the real message of Marx. Oldperson (talk) 22:46, 8 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the advise — I'll try to do better. I don't really want to get into polemics here, but suffice it to say that my view of a representative assembly is more nuanced and allows for dissent. El_C 22:51, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

BLP "violation"
''I am enforcing BLP. You can bring that up for review, but you cannot revert to restore what I deem to be a BLP violation. That is prohibited.''

You know, I checked, and it appears that Jimbo Wales did not die and leave you solely in charge.

Perhaps you have forgotten the point of the WP:BLP policy. Hint: it wasn't because John Seigenthaler thought someone had a bad opinion of him.

I will bring it up for review -- especially since you didn't redact it or remove it, merely obliterate it so no one even knew it happened -- but not right now. --Calton &#124; Talk 06:25, 9 October 2019 (UTC)


 * You do whatever you see fit, Calton. El_C 06:26, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Do not remove sourced contents based on personal views
Kurdish–Turkish conflict (1978–present), I suggest you comply with the policies of WP:RS and discuss on talk page before vandalizing and removing sourced contents. Dilbaggg (talk) 06:52, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
 * You are claiming there is a full scale invasion happening, but that is not reflected in your sources. El_C 06:56, 9 October 2019 (UTC)


 * My apologies, you are a very senior editor and I respect your edits. It does tells here about ethnic cleansing and all out war on the latest 2019 operation: https://www.dw.com/en/explained-why-turkey-wants-a-military-assault-on-syrian-kurds/a-50731834 but regardless, I respect what ever decision you make and sorry about any mistakes from me.Dilbaggg (talk) 07:02, 9 October 2019 (UTC)


 * No worries. But that source's opening sentence reads: "Turkey appears poised to launch a military incursion against a US-backed, Kurdish-led militia alliance in northeast Syria" — meaning, it's likely impending, but you wrote that it was actually happening. El_C 07:10, 9 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Looks like it started now. El_C 16:43, 9 October 2019 (UTC)


 * yes, i also have new sources, https://www.foxnews.com/world/trump-turkey-syria-kurdish-troops-military-assault thanks :) ! Dilbaggg (talk) 18:09, 9 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Oh, there's no shortage of sources now. El_C 18:12, 9 October 2019 (UTC)


 * I'm glad we got everything quickly sorted, Dilbaggg. Thanks for updating the article with the latest developments today. El_C 18:21, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you, SharabSalam! Your kind words and recognition really mean a lot to me. As for what happened in the past, I had already forgotten about it — the literal meaning of the words are intended here: I genuinely do not recall any issues, outstanding or otherwise. All the best, El_C 16:19, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Greetings

 * That image constitutes mild torture! Not sure if that was the intention! I prefer critters at any case. El_C 18:04, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes ~ I saw that afterwards and hoped you would revert me ~sorry ~ lol ~ Mitch ~mitch~ (talk) 18:31, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Identity
Ok, he insisted to revert me even though we were still talking. 

The Fellahin group in Egypt. such Turkish slogans was never accepted by the Fellahin. So the claim that all Muslims in Egypt identified as Arabs is wrong. Why put Turkish slogans on a section about Egyptians views not Turks. Treannmust (talk) 18:00, 9 October 2019 (UTC)


 * A removal is not necessarily a revert. It could be just a bold edit. You need to establish (with a diff) it as a revert by linking the previous version that is said to have been reverted to. El_C 18:08, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Something to watch
Following the block of Velalash89ko, it appears that an IP is now pinging HistoryofIran. So far three times. This is on the verge of harassment. --Kansas Bear (talk) 17:21, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Twice. Sorry, I'm not immediately able to make the connection between the two accounts. But I'll keep an eye. El_C 17:24, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Blizzard Entertainment
Hey, El_C. I know you posted a warning on MattNor91's talk page yesterday about disruptive POV editing. I wanted to bring it to your attention that they made two more edits today on Blizzard Entertainment, referring to the Hong Kong protests as "rioting and looting in Hong Kong" and changing the section header to "[...] Hong Kong riots". At this point, knowing that they've already been warned not to do exactly this by an administrator less than 24 hours ago (and that, frankly, it should be reasonably evident that this behavior is inappropriate even without the warning), I think this constitutes deliberate disruptive editing. Based on prior contributions, they legitimately seem to be WP:HERE, but I believe it's hard not to question good faith in this instance.  TheTechnician27  (Talk page)  18:43, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
 * PS: That chipmunk in the flower burrow made my heart melt.  TheTechnician27  (Talk page)  18:54, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree, this is a problem. Escalated to a final warning. If they do this again, they risk an imminent block. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. Please keep me updated. El_C 00:58, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks! You know, I think I invented a new art form: decorating chipmunk burrows with flowers! El_C 00:58, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I missed this second message, but I think you just might've. Also, I just now noticed the chipmunk behind the groundhog here.  TheTechnician27  (Talk page)  03:59, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Chipfriendship at its finest! El_C 04:07, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Like a deciduous forest version of Timon and Pumbaa.  TheTechnician27  (Talk page)  05:00, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

2019 Turkish offensive into north-eastern Syria
Hi El C. I see you moved the 2019 Rojava offensive to 2019 Turkish offensive into north-eastern Syria. Could you also rename Order of battle for 2019 Rojava offensive? --Khutuck (talk) 15:12, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅. El_C 15:15, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

Why ethno-linguistic dispute?
Kurdish language is a redirect to Kurdish languages (plural) and Northern Kurdish is a redirect to Kurmanji. 73.218.137.229 (talk) 17:17, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
 * That's not what you changed. El_C 17:19, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I have removed the redirect Kurdish language in this edit. and in this edit I have removed the redirect Northern Kurdish. 73.218.137.229 (talk) 17:26, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry, this is not Ezdîkî-related — my mistake. But I still think your changes were not an improvement, because the original gives the reader more information. But I have no strong objections, either. In the other article, though, you removed the native name template — what's the reason behind that? El_C 17:27, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Well we can add the Kurmanji template because both Books are written in Kurmanji. 73.218.137.229 (talk) 17:29, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
 * That wasn't my question. I asked why you removed the native name template and the native Kurmanji text. Also, you did not remove a redirect here — that was linked to the original article. El_C 17:32, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Because the native name is Kurmanji. To call the native name Kurdish is not exactly because the page is called Kurdish languageS (plural). The reader should know which language it is. 73.218.137.229 (talk) 17:39, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Again, you are failing to answer the question. Why native text was removed (مسحە‌فا ڕه‌ش) . Also, Kurmanji is not a language, it is a dialect. El_C 17:41, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Because the native name is not in Kurdish but in Kurmanji. That was a mistake. But there should be the Kurmanji template for the native name. And calling Kurmanji a dialect is your POV. There are sources who describe Kurmanji as a language: by the Center for Languages of the Central Asian Region (CeLCAR). 73.218.137.229 (talk) 17:53, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
 * The article on Kurmanji reads in its opening sentence that it is is the northern dialect of the Kurdish languages. El_C 17:57, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, because some Kurdish nationalists enforce their will in Wikipedia. But if one observes the neutral point of view and observes the sources then one sees that it is controversial whether it is a dialect or a language. 73.218.137.229 (talk) 18:02, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
 * If you think the current consensus falls short, you are more than free to advance that argument on the article talk page and make use of any of Wikipedia's dispute resolution resources toward that end. But I would advise a less confrontational approach. El_C 18:06, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
 * You should read the sources behind the word dialect in Kurmanji instead of blindly believing the sentence. 73.218.137.229 (talk) 18:08, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I prefer to not involve myself in that particular dispute. El_C 18:09, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

New evasion
Of. Perhaps the articles need to be locked again. Thanks, 2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 05:25, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅. El_C 05:28, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Much appreciated. Cheers, 2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 05:29, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

Please Respectful Attention
i'm not Sock puppetry IP Address because my wikipedia account was hacked by Vandalism people or Hacker disguised as Administrator. And i made and i revised the article of Angel Tee based really fact sources with Indonesian Websites not fake source and Please you don't Redirected page of Angel Tee because she has still alive on entertaining her carrer, except she has really stop entertaining

Thank You 111.94.14.156 (talk) 13:52, 12 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Articles for deletion/Angel Tee can be contested at Deletion review. It cannot be undone by fiat. El_C 13:59, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

User:Icewhiz
Hi

His talk and user pages should be changed. To add that he is banned now. --Panam2014 (talk) 14:57, 12 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Okay. Not my cross to bear, though. El_C 15:01, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
 * He have not the right to cancel the closure. --Panam2014 (talk) 15:04, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I guess they really wanted to get across that asking you to be blocked was sarcasm—which does not translates well over text. El_C 15:11, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
 * He continued. --Panam2014 (talk) 15:15, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, that is not acceptable. El_C 15:17, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
 * he made a raid in my talk page. --Panam2014 (talk) 15:42, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
 * That is not a "raid" — they are required to inform you that ANI report has been filed which concerns you. El_C 15:50, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
 * He have not the right to restaure a deleted message. So the revert is a raid. --Panam2014 (talk) 15:51, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see. You are correct, that was inappropriate. El_C 15:54, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

Participate in RfD discussion
Hi, I recently listed a bunch of redirects for discussion. They are in Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 October 11 (Thạch Phúc) and Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 October 12 (Ninh Thuận, Bạc Liêu). The reason I request for deletion is because they were mistakenly created in the first place (even no sources cited, which is not acceptable and should have been deleted at that moment). For more details you can look at that discussion. Thanks a lot and have a good day. Cn5900 (talk) 16:02, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Hey. I suppose I just don't see the harm of having these redirects, just in case they are of use to someone. We have no shortage of space on Wikipedia! Best, El_C 16:06, 12 October 2019 (UTC)


 * , I'm not saying it is harm. But it is just very unnecessary to have them there. But anyway, thanks for your opinion. Cn5900 (talk) 16:15, 12 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Sure, no problem. Thanks for dropping by. El_C 16:16, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

John Sweeney (journalist) revdel request
Hi El C, will you please revdel the edits made by 2A00:23C5:4C82:A200:D073:E047:272F:E76A? S0091 (talk) 16:35, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅. El_C 16:37, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the swift action. :) S0091 (talk) 16:40, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
 * /bows. El_C 16:41, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

Onus and page consensus
Hello El_C, I was thinking if it was a good or bad idea to edit the Los Angeles article again or wait until there is a consensus and is the Onus on my part. 101.176.22.6 (talk) 23:37, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
 * The best course of action would be to explain your proposed changes on the article talk page and see what other editors have to say. Right now, you will be violating 3RR if you revert again, which almost certainly is going to result in you being blocked from editing. El_C 23:40, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
 * As for the unsourced item? 101.176.22.6 (talk) 00:01, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
 * You can add a to it — that wouldn't be a revert. El_C 00:06, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Gotcha 101.176.22.6 (talk) 03:04, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

I am sorry.
I am so sorry. Yesterday was a bad day. I was frustrated. Panam did that thing in a RfC and that made me feel bad. I am very sorry for what I said. Please continue your work in MEK article.-SharabSalam (talk) 15:32, 13 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks again. I appreciate the apologies. El_C 15:38, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Please, hang in there
I just want to say I condemn the statements made here about you. The user is actually not even Iranian based on what I see in his infobox. --Kazemita1 (talk) 15:33, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Kazemita1. I appreciate your support. El_C 15:38, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Administration Advice
Hello User:El C; can this page Egyptians be at least protected from IP disruptive edits. Whether it's a Sockpuppet (or may be not), they put things at totally false categories and manage to corrupt the page. Thank You Treannmust (talk) 23:22, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

P.S. Regardless of anything. A human note, you are a top top human being and truly kind dealing with all the stress here. Much love Treannmust (talk) 23:22, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Hey. Thanks for the kind words, they are much appreciated! Sorry, I'm not sure protection is necessary yet, especially since there seems to be an IP contributing positively right this moment. But I configured pending changes, so hopefully that will be enough. If it isn't, please feel free to let me (or the good folks at RfPP) know. El_C 01:55, 14 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Yes, that's definitely much wiser! Thanks a lot Sir. Treannmust (talk) 03:06, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Advice
Hello friend. Thank you for your advice previously on what's appropriate and what's not to ask here. I would like your opinion and advice please. May you please check my edits and see if they're problematic? I am being followed by a user called sharabsalam and being reverted constantly because he thinks my edits are problematic but I feel I am being reverted simply because he dosent like the edits. Please let me know if my edits are wrong. I feel I am being targeted because I'm adding information on AQAP in wikipedia even though they are sourced information. I have read some of Wikipedia's rules on neutrality and I honestly think I am adhering to them.

I joined this free editing source to add information because I found a lot of gaps in AQAP related incidents and information during my research, however I am feeling harassed and targeted. My talk page is littered by this user's attempt to question my edits and my opinion on talk page was attacked by the same editor. He has openly told me what I should or shouldn't edit.. last time I checked the internet is free! Please, take a look at my edits and tell me if there's something wrong with them. I am finding it peculiar he's the only person who's finding my edits faulty, and keeps on changing the reason on why they're wrong (first it's the wrong article, then it's wrong information, then finally it's a non-neutral source!) ... I would really appreciate your advice as I don't know what to do. I feel like abandoning wikipedia entirely and adding information here because I'm facing such negative experience so far. I think you're a reliable person to ask for advice, so please let me know if my edits are really problematic, and if so how to improve them, or if I should simply just quit. Thank you! Graull (talk) 19:52, 14 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi, Graull. Happy to advise. Let's start with you definitely not quitting. As to whether your edits are problematic, I have no immediate idea. But, being involved in a dispute, indeed, can be stressful. Wikipedia has several dispute resolution resources that could aid you. For example, is The National a reliable source for the purposes for which you attribute it? — that, for example, is a query you may opt to make at the Reliable sources noticeboard. A guiding principle behind these dispute resolution resources, in general, is obtaining outside input. This way, editors who are knowledgeable with the subject under dispute can help steer the consensus onward toward verifiable and neutral direction. This isn't to say that resolving the dispute is likely to be easy or immediate (few worthwhile things are), but that there is a way forward. So I wholeheartedly recommend you adopt this approach, also pivotally, by focusing on the edits rather than the editor. Hope this helps and please let me know if there's anything further I can do. Best regards, El_C 20:44, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for your candid and polite response! I wish more users were like you here. I will follow your advice and post in the reliable sources noticeboard and see what people think there. Please, if you see a problem with my edits please don't hesitate and let me know. I would rather advice and instructions came from you instead of other users who are not very mannered. I don't want to feel targeted by other users because of my edits and I would much rather be told in a polite way if there's something wrong with my edits and shown the proper way on how to not make them happen again instead of being ostensibly attacked for a wrong edit and left feeling targeted. Again, thank you for your time to response to my question. I truly appreciate it!! Graull (talk) 09:51, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Module MLB standings
Regarding [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Module:MLB_standings&diff=894025223&oldid=892288794 this edit] which raised the protection level of Module:MLB standings to template-editor: as the creator and primary editor who has added new functionality to the module, I am no longer able to edit this module. I appreciate the motivation for this level of protection, but was wondering if it would be feasible for the module to remain at a lower level of protection. Unfortunately, I am unlikely to meet the criteria for obtaining the template-editor user right any time soon. Thanks for your consideration. isaacl (talk) 22:21, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
 * The request to bring the module to that protection level was made at RfPP. So, if you're gonna create a module that has this many transclusions, be prepared that someone will bring it there and ask for for it to be TP protected. I don't mind reducing it to EC,  this time, but it may be of benefit for you to apply (and/or work toward meeting the criteria thereof) for that userright. So, all that having been said, ✅. Happy editing. El_C 23:59, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much. The module was created before the existence of template editor protection. At this point in time, I don't see myself making edit requests on other template-protected templates, but if things change in future, I will bear in mind the option to request template editor permissions. isaacl (talk) 01:22, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
 * The claim that The request to bring the module to that protection level was made at RfPP, while technically true, is misleading. I requested that module be template-protected in April not because of its transclusion count, but because it was implementing Template:MLB standings, which was template-protected by (acting spontaneously) in 2018. Your reduction of the protection level of the module has created the impermissible state of a module having a lower protection level than a template it implements, which will need to be remedied by lowering the template to semi-protection or re-raising the module to template protection. * Pppery * it has begun...  23:02, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
 * thanks for explanation, but this was ✔️ (see below). El_C 23:07, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Below there was a change in protection from extended-confirmed to semi. That doesn't address my core concern that Module:MLB standings has a lower protection level that Template:MLB standings, which renders the template protection on the former effectively meaningless. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:12, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
 * sorry, I don't think I understand the technical facets of this. El_C 23:20, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

I request you either reduce the level of protection of this template to semi-protection or raise it to full protection. ECP is not an appropriate choice as it doesn't meet the required criteria listed at WP:ECP. Buffs (talk) 19:00, 15 October 2019 (UTC) --- Isaacl, after having reviewed the documentation, I realize that per Requests_for_comment/Extended_confirmed_protection_policy_2, I'm actually precluded from EC protection in this instance. I thought of just restoring the TP protection, but with only 3,000 transclusions, I suppose going back to Semi is safe enough (although my immediate instinct was to TP protect it again, I still want you to be able to edit it, so let's just risk it). El_C 22:16, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks again! I saw that discussion, but also saw that there were numerous [//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ProtectedPages?namespace=10&type=edit&level=extendedconfirmed&size-mode=min templates with extended confirmed protection] with various reasons given, as well as [//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ProtectedPages?namespace=828&type=edit&level=extendedconfirmed&size-mode=min a number of modules]. I understand that in future, the protection level may be raised again. I appreciate your consideration in granting a reprieve in protection levels for now. isaacl (talk) 22:36, 15 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Risk (game) Hi El C! ~ ~mitch~ (talk) 00:04, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 * As long as I get to start with Australia. El_C 00:24, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 * sounds good to me ~ France~ but wait I have to have an Apéritif ~ Pernod Ricard~ you go first ~ ~mitch~ (talk) 01:14, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Nah, Europe is too difficult to defend — North America is where it's at! El_C 01:19, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 * LOL ~ ~mitch~ (talk)

also...
Same applies for Template:Russia Time Zone Wikidata/getQID‎. Buffs (talk) 16:09, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting support.svg Template protected&#32;indefinitely. El_C 16:12, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 * THANK YOU!!! Buffs (talk) 20:21, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

3RR name
I hate that rule's name too. In law and baseball it's the three-strikes rule (three strikes, you're out) Idk if it's too late to change it, lest people assume they get four reverts. Mark Schierbecker (talk) 01:22, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Maybe rename it to +3RR? El_C 01:24, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 * That is a really good solution. Mark Schierbecker (talk) 01:27, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Completely forgot I suggested renaming this once. Wikipedia talk:Edit warring/Archives/2012/November. RfC time? Mark Schierbecker (talk) 01:33, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I always found the name to be awkward (four reverts needed to violate the three revert rule?). And I see so many AN3 reports that list three reverts as if they are a 3RR violation. These reports really do comprise a significant number of all reports filed there. El_C 01:39, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

edit link
Greetings...  To repeat, the specific phrase "valid argument" is NOWHERE LINKED IN THE ARTICLE. So the argument of "repeat linking" DOES NOT REALLY APPLY HERE. No warrant to undo...cuz of "I don't like". I agree that (true) repeat linking should not be done, but that's not actually clearly the case here. Specific phrasing is not at all wiki-linked in the article, and arguably should be. Regards. 71.190.0.199 (talk) 17:58, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 * To repeat also: the link is repeated in the article three times, which is too much. El_C 18:02, 17 October 2019 (UTC)


 * show me, sir, where in the article the specific phrase "valid argument" is anywhere linked in the article? I searched, and I couldn't find it.


 * Maybe I missed it somewhere. Yes, the article "Validity (logic)" is linked elsewhere but not from the phrase "valid argument", and arguably it should be.


 * One reason being that when you type the phrase "valid argument" in the Wikipedia search field, it yields "Validity (logic)" as the article. So why shouldn't the Logic article that has the phrasing "valid argument" a couple of times link the phrase "valid argument" to that article? 71.190.0.199 (talk) 18:16, 17 October 2019 (UTC)


 * I don't see why "valid argument" should necessarily be piped by a link that already exists in the article. El_C 18:17, 17 October 2019 (UTC)


 * I told you why, sir... Let me repeat. When you type the words "valid argument" (try it yourself to see), in the SEARCH FIELD of Wikipedia...it gives the article of "Validity (logic)".   That's pretty much the only real reason I even thought to "pipe" the phrase "valid argument" in this "Logic" article to go to "Validity (logic)".    And for some reason, that very pertinent reason you're ignoring or not listening to.  So I'll ask you again, why would Wikipedia even HAVE the phrase "valid argument" AUTOMATICALLY piped in for that other article, in general?   And if that's the case, why exactly (and you just admitted that it's because you simply DON'T LIKE IT, violating "NO OWN" etc) should the phrase "valid argument" not be linked therefore? 71.190.0.199 (talk) 18:21, 17 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Just because a redirect exists does not mean a link needs to be repeated so many times. As mentioned before, the onus is actually on you to gain the consensus for your changes on the article talk page. So I suggest you do that. El_C 18:24, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I respect the 3 revert rule (hence why you see that I'm not undoing or restoring again for now), and I also respect WP Consensus (even if I may disagree). But again, sir, one main reason for this link-edit is because WP itself redirects the phrase "valid argument" TO the article "Validity (logic)" and also, secondarily, in and of itself, why exactly shouldn't the technical phrase "valid argument" not be linked to its appropriate article page, when it can only help more and enlighten matters?   What's the harm exactly?  Just because the link for "Validity (logic)" is linked other places in the article, so?    The point (again) is that it's not linked for this specific phrase "valid argument".  And what harm exactly is there in linking that to its correct article page?  It can only help, if anything, not hurt.   Regards.... 71.190.0.199 (talk) 18:30, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Look, I don't really care about this too much. If you want to duplicate that link — fine. But once, not twice for a total of three times, as you have been doing. I'll partially self-revert to do so and hopefully that will be the end of that. El_C 18:34, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Yossi Cohen
Hi, I don't know if you saw my request at Talk:Yossi Cohen? Having "Hebron, Israel" in an article is pretty provocative, me think, Huldra (talk) 20:58, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 * No, I did not see it. Anyway, request granted. El_C 23:39, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Bandar bin Sultan al Saud and his wife funded some of the 9/11 hijackers
Facts don't have to be politically convenient to be facts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:CE00:75C0:401E:4329:992A:4842 (talk) 02:55, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 * But they do have to be attributed to reliable sources to truly be considered facts. El_C 02:57, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

Block evasion?
Seems rather suspicious that an IP with no other edits jumps in, declares that "both sides have COI," then reverts the article to the version favored by BigDWiki. Worth an SPI? OhNo itsJamie Talk 15:24, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Go for it. I also sprotected the article for 2 weeks. El_C 15:31, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

October 2019
Please assume good faith in your dealings with other editors. Assume that they are here to improve rather than harm Wikipedia. BigDwiki (talk) 17:35, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
 * AGF is not a suicide pact. El_C 17:39, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

Battle of Xuân Lộc
Here I've sort-of unreverted one of your reverts. It looks like you had reverted an edit based on bad presentation, and it looks to me as if the content was correct in the reverted edit even though the presentation was bad. I've reverted the content essentially back to its original cite-supported appearance in this 2010 edit. The content seems to have been changed without support in this 2015 edit. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 11:28, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. Yes, I reverted it for being essentially a non sequitur. Thanks for doing your due diligence. El_C 17:03, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

Sock
Hello. , who you just reverted on China-North Korea relations, is an obvious sock of Sockpuppet investigations/99rossiya89. See page history of the article you reverted on, Sino-Russian relations since 1991 and others, and you'll find an endless stream of socks with similarly constructed names (numericals + country/politician/animal name + numericals). Cheers, - Tom &#124; Thomas.W talk 19:57, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Good to know, thanks. I indeffed 425kimjongil1911, as well. El_C 21:12, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

You've got mail!
Yunshui 雲 <sub style="font-size:90%">水 08:12, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

RfA
I tried to stick to a thank you for that summit + depression reply .. but that was just TOO FREAKIN' HILARIOUS. Thank you for the best laugh I've had in ages. — Ched (talk) 08:39, 21 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Hear, hear! I came here to say pretty much the same thing. --bonadea contributions talk 09:02, 21 October 2019 (UTC)


 * /bows. El_C 15:48, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Sock
Thanks for. 77.18.57.137 is, etc, avoiding their block. I think knows more about this LTAish IP user. Cheers. -- Begoon 05:42, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
 * No worries. They seem to have stopped, for now, so I'll let Bbb23 handle it. El_C 05:46, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Fastest gun in the Middle East
You beat me to it.Nishidani (talk) 14:48, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
 * That's right, I'm swift! El_C 14:51, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

I didn't change any tag dates. Don't know how that happened. Sorry to forget my tildes, I'm rusty. Telaviv1 (talk) 16:18, 22 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Not a big deal. If you get the chance, please change the dmy tag back to the original. El_C 17:07, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

~ Mitch's wife ~
Hi El C ~ just to let you know Cindy died last Saturday ~ ~mitch~ (talk) 17:21, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I am so sorry for your loss. My deepest condolences, Mitch. I know what it's like to lose a close loved one — there is nothing worse and nothing can compare. El_C 17:26, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I am so sorry to hear that. Just today I worked all day, sad about the loss of a great woman, and wife from 1947 to a few days ago. Perhaps play the YT video at the bottom which made me cry (see my talk). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:29, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Since you blocked the sockmaster
I thought you could block the rest of the socks. They all promote the same spam link. Please see Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of AthensGlance. Thanks in advance. Dr.  K.  06:10, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅. El_C 06:16, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you as always, El_C, for your tireless work. Dr.   K.  06:22, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Likewise, my friend. El_C 06:25, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * You are very generous, El_C. But thank you for your nice comment. Take care. Dr.   K.  06:39, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

The Urdu article
The edit war stemmed from the other party changing the infobox from "no specific ethnicity" to "multiple ethnicities" when the cited sources clearly state that it's a non-ethnic language. So how is he justified in putting "multiple ethnicities"? It's plain original research on his part. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vishnu Sahib (talk • contribs) 06:34, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I'm not familiar enough with the dispute to comment. My advise to you would be to engage in discussion on the article talk page. If that stalls, see your dispute resolution resources for further outside input. Eventually, the consensus will be decided, and that would be that. El_C 06:38, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Who should I consult to evaluate mine and his edits? Is there administrator familiar with this topic area? Because the sources clearly state that it's a non-ethnic language. I was told that statements on Wikipedia should always state what the sources state.--Vishnu Sahib (talk) 20:42, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I've edited the protected page back to your version, since the other party's position, indeed, did not seem to be grounded in the available sources. El_C 21:10, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but it's not necessarily "my version". I did it because the cited sources supported it. I found a third source that claims the same. Should I add it after the protection expires?--Vishnu Sahib (talk) 22:56, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Sure, or feel free to submit an edit request. El_C 22:57, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Alright, thanks--Vishnu Sahib (talk) 00:40, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

Battle of Haldighati
You protected it without removing the unsourced material. Please check.49.207.133.12 (talk) 09:29, 23 October 2019 (UTC) And Arun7156 needs a warning.49.207.133.12 (talk) 09:31, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅. Good catch. El_C 09:32, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

R.K. Laros page
Hi— The page for businessman that I worked on was original writing, well-researched, drawing from a number of resources. It got flagged for copyright infringement for a reason that escapes me then speedily deleted. I tried to put it back but now it’s locked. I wonder why it was marked as a copyright issue and wonder how to get it back up if possible. Thanks. Jberk (talk) 11:44, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * It was marked as copyvio for infringing on the rights of https://issuu.com/adamatkinson1/docs/rk_done and deleted by — I see you've already raised the matter with him. See what he has to say about deleting the page on those grounds. Contesting it with me is a bit redundant, as I was not involved in that part of the process. I deleted it because it was too short, without enough context to identify the subject. I also protected it from further recreation, until issues pertaining to the article could be sorted, namely the copyrights violations, which presumably limited you to those two brief sentences — two sentences that, unfortunately, amounted to an article which was just too terse by Wikipedia standards. Good luck. El_C 15:47, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Siddha Yoga
Let's discuss your feelings on the talk page for this article. Can you clarify the rule that existing sources can't be used when editing an article that seems to be misleading and not accurately explaining the sourced material? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.214.54.67 (talk) 18:19, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I have no "feelings" — I am enforcing policy, especially a potential living persons policy violation. As instructed, you need to quote directly on the article talk page so that your claims can verified by the existing sources that your addition goes on to attribute. El_C 18:36, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Upon closer examination, I am rescinding my objection. Also, BLP was not a factor here, I was in error on that front. El_C 18:50, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

HS2000
It can also be put on the ak-47 or m-16, but this is not put under "users". I think it is fair and there is no such thing here, because it is a shame to be a terrorist here with the recognized states. This puts the user from Serbia jealous of Croatian success on that weapon, it can be checked from earlier posts so you blocked it, but he made a new acc and change ip. Do what you want, if you want change to change, if you don't want to, I'm not interested, but I think I'm right. Greeting — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.138.188.130 (talk) 23:25, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Are you or are you not User:VJ-Yugo? El_C 23:31, 23 October 2019 (UTC)


 * No I didn't, I told you a few months ago to block this user from Serbia if you remember, but unfortunately I have a dynamic ip that changes once a day, my first ip starts with the number 93.138. or 93,136 other numbers are changing because it's such an online service, it can be read from past changes to hs2000 what is the problem and how did you block it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.138.188.130 (talk) 23:42, 23 October 2019 (UTC)


 * No, I don't remember. It's possible I made a mistake. Maybe General Ization can bring me up to speed (again?). El_C 23:48, 23 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Okay no problem, do as you think is best. Goodbye! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.138.188.130 (talk) 23:54, 23 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Let's see what General Ization says. Please check this section for further updates (I would drop you a comment, but your IP keeps changing). El_C 23:58, 23 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Sorry, not much I can say to help. I  when they repeatedly removed sourced content from this article without explanation. (See page 12 of this, the cited source.) That IP then  claiming ISIS was a "nonexistent state" and saying "this is sock puppets from Serbia", but failing to explain their removal of content in any coherent way. That was the extent of my contribution to that article.  That IP and the one you are talking with sound to me like the exact same operator. <span style="font-family: Gill Sans MT, Arial, Helvetica; font-weight:140;"> General Ization  <i style="color: #000666;">Talk </i> 03:19, 25 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Now they're removing ISIS as a user from CZ 75, as well. Again, with the same argument that listing them promotes them as a terrorist organization...(?) El_C 03:24, 25 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Hello. I don't mind that. I'm just saying that terrorists should not be with other countries and that this is not right, and you write as you wish. That is my argument, it is unfortunate that terrorists classify them and equate them with other countries, that is not right. Goodbye — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.138.140.253 (talk) 16:17, 25 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Again, maybe that's something you ought to facilitate a centralized discussion about — perhaps on the talk page of the ISIS article. See what other editors have to say about that argument: that a former undeclared state not be listed alongside recognized countries is a valid position to hold. But because at least two editors disagree with you, the onus is on you to build the consensus for these changes to take effect across multiple articles. So, I encourage you to do so. Good luck. El_C 16:25, 25 October 2019 (UTC)


 * I'm not interested in consensus, let it write anything here. If one does not realize that terrorists have nothing to do with other normal states, then they do not need to explain anything. Now the terrorists are put in the same order with the normal states, so let it be promoted as a normal state. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.138.140.253 (talk) 16:37, 25 October 2019 (UTC)


 * If you're not interested in consensus, there is not much left for us to discuss here. El_C 16:38, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Use of rev del on José Gregorio Salazar
Hi El C! It's great to talk to you again, and I hope you're doing well! I just wanted to message you about some revisions that you rev del'd on the José Gregorio Salazar article citing RD2 as serious BLP violations (did you perhaps mean to choose "grossly insulting, degrading, or offensive"?). Note that the article subject is definitely not a BLP (the article subject was a general who died in the year 1838... lol), so the BLP portion of RD2 does not apply here. Aside from this fact, the revisions you redacted were just childish vandalism to me, not something I'd consider a "serious BLP violation" nor something that falls within being "grossly insulting, degrading, or offensive". They were just adding "nutsack" and other childish things to the article, nothing that I'd constitute as requiring the use of RD2. I went ahead and restored visibility to those revisions for you. I left some revisions redacted, as they happened to fall under RD2 for using offensive ethnic and lifestyle slurs. Not to worry... you weren't the only admin who happened to use rev del incorrectly on that article and around that time. I just wanted to leave you a message to let you know about it and inform you that I undid the visibility changes you made to some of them. ;-) Please let me know if you have any questions (just ping me so that I'm notified) or concerns, and I'll be happy to answer them and discuss it with you. :-) Cheers -  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   02:36, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Hey. Thanks. I remember that IP for their Donald and Ivanka Trump BLP vandalism. Indeed, I mistook that old-timey General for a living person, somehow. I guess I should be paying closer attention! BTW, do we have a button that's the opposite of revdelete, because I want to nominate this amazing, "spoken by hogs" edit (I also love the other IP's deadpan revert summary of "False information"!). Never a dull moment. El_C 03:21, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
 * No worries, just looking out for my fellow editors and admins. ;-) HA! That's funny... What would the "opposite of revdelete" even be (other than restoring visibility to something that's currently hidden)? I'm trying to ponder and come up with something, but I've got nothing... LOL  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   06:39, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

Miss Universe 2019
Make it accesible to edit with Wikipedia Page Creator. Hpcidaniello (talk) 07:14, 24 October 2019 (UTC)


 * ❌. The page is fully protected until dispute are resolved or the protection time lapses, whichever comes first. El_C 15:42, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

2A02:587:3A21:3D00::/64
Hello. If you don’t immediately see what to do with, then look at WP:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1021. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 14:34, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅. El_C 15:42, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

Closure discussion
Hello El C, I'm requesting the closed discussion under Spider-Man RM closure? on my talk page be copied and placed next to my closure. This is for clarifying my reasons why I closed it. Thank you! Jerm (talk) 18:38, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure I quite understand — you are welcome to add an addendum to the close or a supplementary to the discussion, you don't really need me for that. El_C 20:32, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I forgot how. Jerm (talk) 01:16, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Just tack on an  Addendum  to the closing statement and/or a  Supplementary  to the end of the closed move discussion, is what I meant. El_C 02:24, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Jewish stone-throwing
Though I try to avoid punitive measures (and in any case am banned from AE per Sandstein's decision), and wasn't aiming for any suspension - my notification of Debresser reflected simply a desire that the editor use evidence and logic, rather than personal opinions to justify their edits. Unfortunately the said editor mechanically reverts a large amount of edits I make to pages he is interested in, and, in my view, never adduces textual evidence or logical, policy-based arguments to defend the removal.

Am I misreading that page's talk page header where it is written: "Limit of one revert in 24 hours: All articles related to the Arab–Israeli conflict, reasonably construed, are under WP:1RR (one revert per editor per article per 24-hour period). When in doubt, assume it is related." Regards Nishidani (talk) 09:14, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

To copy the relevant details from the other page


 * The admin NeilN added the Arab-Israeli Arbitration Enforcement header to this page, warning editors to respect the 1R rule, on 1 October 2015. Both I and Debresser have edited that page often in the past four years, and have been thoroughly familiar with the contents of that header over that period.Nishidani (talk) 10:25, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

So the question is, did Debresser make two reverts within 24 hours on a page where a banner indicating this was prohibited has existed for several years.Nishidani (talk) 13:37, 25 October 2019 (UTC)


 * it doesn't matter what the talk page banner says anymore. The Committee has recently (March 2019) clarified that there needs to be an edit notice on the mainspace for 1RR to apply:  Which, incidentally, led to the following problematic. Please comment at ARBPIA4 (here) where I outline a possible resolution to this EC-related issue brought by the mandatory edit notice requirement. El_C 15:30, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I appreciate the explanation. I just don't grasp the operative value of the rationale or its meaning, if it has one, but that's my fault. I can't offer suggestions, since anything legal like this is totally outside of my capacity to concentrate. Regards. Nishidani (talk) 16:57, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * EC means extended-confirmed protection, which due to the ARBPIA edit notice becoming mandatory, also becomes mandatory. In the AP2 DS, for example, we have the option of a naked 1RR, without protection or other restrictions applied. So that is what I am proposing (bold link) — no legalese involved. El_C 17:06, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Don't lose time trying to enlighten me. Sincerely, I have never been able to wrap my mind, or what's left of it, around these issues. Give me an article about words for ladles in classical Greek, and I'll be utterly focused on the distinctions between a soup and a wine ladle, I can visualize them. I can't do that with Wikipedia rules, and therefore just apply the simplest reading, which keeps me mostly out of trouble, but makes objecting to what others do pointless, since I miss equivocations. As I say, it's my fault, and I just have to wear it.Nishidani (talk) 17:26, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * That's a fair enough position to hold, though difficult to maintain, I would venture to think. Anyway, I agree that we should aim at rules that are simple to follow, but an integral component of that is that those rules also make sense on the implementation level. This, if we are to continue to follow Committee rulings in an exact procedurally-required way, which seems to be the order of the day. In other words, IAR —or the spirit of a rule— is more likely to be lost to Committee legality when it comes to Arbitration enforcement than as can be seen in the application of Community policy. It is what it is in its current state. El_C 17:41, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * If proof were needed to underline my incompetence, I need just cite my edit at this article's talk page a minute ago. I'll put the edit requested on my talk page, hoping that a few technical people who have it bookmarked can fix it. Apologies. Nishidani (talk) 18:14, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, you're not alone there. Wikiformatting can be quite counter-intuitive. El_C 18:35, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

IP editor
I'm getting a pretty strong WP:NOTHERE vibe from Special:Contributions/173.176.159.21 - given that they've repeatedly said they won't do stuff like refrain from legal threats or sign their comments because they don't want to help Wikipedia. I understand if you don't want to be the one handing out blocks left and right given that you're also trying to referee a legitimate content dispute, but I'm ready to file an WP:ANI report myself unless you think that's a bad idea. I'm really not trying to put a thumb on the scale here, I'm just asking if I'm way off base here before I open something. Nblund talk 23:34, 25 October 2019 (UTC)


 * You would not have that problem if BLP was applyied. The disruptive edition page gives plenty of reason as to why. But your good to go. I<m done, frustrated, and wont come back — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.176.159.21 (talk) 23:38, 25 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Well, looks like the matter is now moot. El_C 23:41, 25 October 2019 (UTC)


 * You're not off base. I'm this close to issuing a block for disruptive and tendentious editing — intentional incompetence and legally aggressive language (which has a chilling effect) will not be tolerated. But I'm also willing to give them one final chance. Let's see what happens next. El_C 23:52, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Works for me. Nblund talk 23:55, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

smile
At least I recognized my error. Cheers. Time for bed for me. Toddst1 (talk) 06:52, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
 * All good, man! Sweet dreams. El_C 06:53, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

English Punctuation
As a person whose first language is not English, I find English learning an on-going process. In regards to the issue at hand, i.e. square brackets, I want to make sure I understand it clearly. How come we cannot attribute the statement between brackets to the narrator?--Kazemita1 (talk) 17:07, 26 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Tell me about it! Well, there are two different quotes, right? So the IP's changes make sense. El_C 17:16, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
 * If you look closely, the comment that they are a "cult-like terrorist organisation" is an interjection inserted by the UK agency into the quote from the United States agency. The IP is saying it is not an interjection. I am sorry for being so dumb. If you could elaborate how IP's changes make sense I would appreciate it. .--Kazemita1 (talk) 20:16, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Upon further reflection, I'm just not sure which version is makes more sense. El_C 22:15, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

You might
wish to take a look at User_talk:Vanamonde93. Need someone to install a TBan .... &#x222F; <b style="color:#070">WBG</b> converse 17:13, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Sure — I'll take a glance, at the very least. El_C 17:16, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
 * El_C 17:26, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Closure of Tulsa Race Riot -> Tulsa Race Massacre Move Request
Hi El C,

I was looking at a move request on the talk page for the Tulsa Race Riot, and noticed that you closed the request without discussion, citing the fact that a prior request to do so (created back in July) was closed as "no consensus," and asserting that the editor should "wait at least six months before initiating the same request again."

I've done some investigation, but have been unable to find any support for this six month figure -- the closest thing I found was on the closing instructions webpage, which says "it is not considered bad form to re-raise a request that found "no consensus" to move. (Successful move re-requests generally, though certainly not always, take place at least three months after the previous one...)," which suggests a three month window, but certainly does not proscribe one. Could you explain how you arrived at this 6 month restriction?

It has now been more than 3 months since the original request was made, and Dbrote cited numerous contemporary sources that now use term "massacre" rather than "riot" (the lack of a preponderance of such sources was the main reason no consensus was reached during the first move request), so I think there is an argument to be made that now is as good a time as any for another Move Request Review.

- Waidawut (talk) 17:34, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Waidawut, please ping me if that request is renewed. I agree that "massacre" is a proper term, and has acquired currency. Drmies (talk) 17:37, 26 October 2019 (UTC)


 * ordinarily yes, three months would be fine. But I made the decision to double that because this wasn't the only such move request (example). This is constant source of tension and discontent in the article, leading to much disruption in the editing process. You can have another move request in three months (for a six month gap). After that, I'll double it to a year, and I will keep doubling from there, ad infinitum — because this isn't something you keep trying and trying until you get the desired outcome. Move requests are not expected to operate in such a manner. El_C 17:38, 26 October 2019 (UTC)


 * From what rule do you derive the discretion to invent and enforce these waiting periods? The webpage I linked above seems pretty clear that move requests are expected to operate such that those that reached a consensus not to move "should probably not propose this move in the future until and unless circumstances change," but makes no such caveat for requests that reached no consensus, and in fact encourages future move requests in these cases (with, again, no mention of a mandated waiting period). Surely an ongoing, robust discussion will be more likely to reach a consensus, rather than one split up by arbitrarily-enforced waiting periods, no? -Waidawut (talk) 17:50, 26 October 2019 (UTC)


 * No need to (mis-)ping me on my own talk page. Sorry, but we're not going to undergo a circumstances change-driven move request every three months. That's just not going to happen, because it would be disruptive to the editing process. El_C 18:01, 26 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Sorry about the mis-ping (what is the proper way to ping?) -- but you still haven't explained how it is that you have the discretion to unilaterally decide when move requests are allowed to occur Waidawut (talk) 18:08, 26 October 2019 (UTC)


 * I have discretion, in my capacity as an uninvolved admin, to prevent disruptive editing — that includes prohibiting move requests whose frequent timing renders them tendentious. *** You pinged fine, but you mistyped my username. El_C 18:13, 26 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Ah ok -- thanks for the explanation. I'll revisit this in 3 months.  And sorry about the name typo! Waidawut (talk) 18:27, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
 * On another note, how do you tell if a user is an Admin? Waidawut (talk) 18:29, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
 * in users' contributions there's a user rights link — it will tell you if a user is an admin. El_C 18:33, 26 October 2019 (UTC)


 * So when can a new one be started? I find GNews has 5740 hits for race riot, but 21.400 for Tulsa massacre. - I was against it earlier, but like User:Drmies I think I'd support it now. Doug Weller  talk 18:25, 26 October 2019 (UTC)


 * again, my instinct was to give it a six months breathing room — so in three months. But if another uninvolved admin wishes to overule me in this instance and re-open the move request immediately, I have no objection. But if this move request fails, I will insist on a breathing room of a year, and this time will object to challenges on that front. El_C 18:29, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
 * at this point, I'm inclined to wait for the three months -- contemporary sources are reaching a consensus of using "massacre," and I think this consensus will likely be even stronger in 3 months. I think it's better to wait 3 months now, rather than rushing and reaching another "no consensus" and then having to wait a year. Waidawut (talk) 18:43, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
 * good plan, I agree. Doug Weller  talk 18:44, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Al Dhafra Private School RFPP
Hi El C, I have a request at RFPP but given the constant vandalism by new accounts and IPs, can you protect it? Mozalarab69 has also been reported to AIV. S0091 (talk) 19:21, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅. El_C 19:23, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
 * As always, thank you. :) S0091 (talk) 19:28, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

ITN for Barisha raid and Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi
Hi, I've commented at ITN that all sources describing Baghdadi's death, e.g.  and our article Barisha raid, explicitly attribute the claim of suicide to U.S. officials or Trump. It is so easy to acknowledge this and be cautious by changing our blurb to state that Baghdadi "... is dead after a U.S. raid..." that I am astonished we have dropped attribution and stated his suicide is a fact at the top of our front page. Please correct this as soon as possible. I apologize for my somewhat blunt and possibly aggressive tone: disrespect is not intended. -Darouet (talk) 20:00, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi, not at all, your message if perfectly fine, but I would rather you get ITNC consensus for that change, which I would then be more than happy to implement. El_C 20:06, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Great: I welcome your comments at ITN. I have yet to find a source that doesn't attribute the claim of suicide and this is one of the more egregious oversights I've ever seen on Wiki. -Darouet (talk) 20:26, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree with you on the content. Feel free to quote me on that. But my involvement at ITNC was to interpret the consensus, which was for alt blurb-2. I tend to shy from IAR decisions which involve anything to do with the Main page like ITN. Hope that makes sense. El_C 20:33, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Just noting that ISIS themselves have confirmed al-Baghdadi's death today. El_C 17:35, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Need advice in dealing with disruptive user
Thanks for protecting User:UBX/NBA-Clippers. However, the problem is not gone and is edit warring in many NHL and NBA userboxes. He states that since he created many userboxes, he can do whatever he wants and no policies and/or guidelines can stop him. How do I deal with this situation? I tried more than once to engage in a discussion with him, but he just ignores everything and continues to being disruptive. It is also obvious that Jamesmiko is using Wikipedia as a WP:BATTLEGROUND. Thanks in advance. – Sabbatino (talk) 20:10, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * no problem. Well, if you're convinced there is disruptive editing involved (user being unresponsive or tendentious), then an Incidents report should be your next logical step. Otherwise, I would recommend a centralized discussion about these contested edits somewhere, like Wikipedia talk:Userboxes. These two approaches need not be seen as mutually exclusive necessarily, either. Hope this helps. El_C 20:20, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Planet nine
Could you please unprotect? If you look at the talk page you will see that some of the reverts were accidental edit conflicted confusion. There is no bona fide editorial dispute. The primordial black hole hypothesis is purely fringe material. Occasionally some random editor tries to add it, but all the main editors of the article agree that it’s not to be included. There’s no good source for this theory and the best sources literally are making fun of it. Cheers, Jehochman Talk 12:38, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Understood. Will downgrade to semi. El_C 17:57, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

Reverse racism
Greetings. You were the last one to protect this page; would you mind taking a look at the recent history? A similar pattern of disruptive/POV/unsourced additions is still going on, and I think semi- or extended-confirmed protection is still a good idea. Thank you. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 19:23, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅. El_C 23:14, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

Request reversion and lock on Science of Identity Foundation
has made a number of edits that inappropriately 1) reintroduce 'alternate names' for the founder, an issue that had previously been settled; 2) add inflammatory material from a new tabloid reference; 3) misrepresent material from that reference in an apparent attempt to further harm the founder's reputation; and 4) include a section in the article titled 'Political activities', citing candidates who ran for office in 1976 prior to the formation of the Foundation in 1977. The implication that the Foundation itself is involved in political activity is defamatory since that would be a criminal violation of the Foundation's tax-exempt status. (The link Samp4ngeles provided for the new tabloid reference was incorrect; the proper link is https://evols.library.manoa.hawaii.edu/handle/10524/55521.) Please revert and lock. Humanengr (talk) 02:38, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I don't know if I'm going to have time to investigate this, but in any case, please definitely avoid terms such as "defamatory" — it comes across as a legal threat, which has a chilling effect on the editorial process. Anyway, I suggest you raise your concern on the article talk page or otherwise make use of any dispute resolution request you see fit. Good luck. El_C 03:21, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry — I meant to direct this to the admin who has been involved with these issues on the SIF page. Thx for your advice. My mistake. Humanengr (talk) 03:25, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Have to agree that {u|Humanengr}'s comments are consistently chilling and unconstructive, particularly with regard to anything remotely related to this page. It indicates a high amount of bias.  The claims above regarding use of tabloids, inflammatory material, attempts to harm anyone's reputation, etc., are utterly ridiculous, as the previous edits were constructive. Samp4ngeles (talk) 03:55, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Abhijeet
You might remember this TBan and I'm afraid that he needs another one, as to Jagannath Dixit under WP:ARBIPA.

Snarky edit summaries (1, 2), blatant aspersions about me (3), edit-warring and white-washing (4, 5).

Add the long history of disruptive editing and blatant COI, over this particular article, as documented over Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard/Archive_141. &#x222F; <b style="color:#070">WBG</b> converse 11:45, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅. El_C 11:58, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Semi
I requested semi-protection on Pete Buttigieg 2020 presidential campaign because of sockpuppetry by multiple socks. I'm not sure if you missed it, or intended to decline the request. - MrX 🖋 00:14, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I missed it. But now that I look at it, let's keep it open, for now. Both accounts are blocked — perhaps that will be that. El_C 00:47, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

Pete Buttigieg 2020 presidential campaign
A new IP resumed the edit war following unprotection at Pete Buttigieg 2020 presidential campaign. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:55, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
 * ✔️. El_C 01:55, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

a gift that keeps on giving ...
This IP-hopping sock seems intent on disrupting Talk:Pete Buttigieg 2020 presidential campaign. Is there any way to semi protect yet still allow a way for anons to contribute? Gleeanon409 (talk) 03:30, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, there is not. El_C 03:31, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

Several RFPP requests due to socking.
Hi, I recently made a few WP:RFPP requests due to recent sock activity. Please have a look into this. Thanks! --IanDBeacon (talk) 06:40, 28 November 2019 (UTC)


 * I guess I missed all the excitement. 21 pending requests, though! El_C 18:22, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

Ahsanaliqadri180
I wonder if you take a look at this edit which is the example of personal attack and his contribution which seems to be strange. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saff V. (talk • contribs)
 * Three vandalism edits from three days ago — not much to do here, unless the disruptive editing continue. El_C 18:22, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

White Croats
Could you help here Talk:White_Croats ''Mikola and Ceha are doing Croatian POV-pushing together in another topic: WP:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard. They cannot be considered objective commentators on the current RFC.'' These are personal attacks...--Čeha (razgovor) 19:26, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, I suppose there are some aspersions being cast, which indeed should be avoided, but I don't feel this rises to the level of an outright personal attack. What have they said about you, personally? It seems to me that they are saying that your editing tend to generally be less-than-neutral. Sure, it could have been phrased more diplomatically, but as for it amounting to a personal attack? — sorry, I just don't see it. El_C 19:47, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Ok, but one's nationality shouldn't matter to wikipedia. Can you warn him not to mention national conspiracies any more? --Čeha (razgovor) 20:05, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't see anyone having mentioned conspiracies, national or otherwise. El_C 22:59, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I believe WP:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard is referred to me, so I will let others talk and illustrate how editor talks about colleagues (this one too is about me, and I have many more, only where admins weren't involved).-- ౪ Santa ౪ 99°  00:50, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
 * The true personal attacks is to write "vandalism" in an each edit summary about my edit:, . Although my edit just repeated the revert to the status quo ante version: . Well, or both of us with El C are vandals here.--Nicoljaus (talk) 06:32, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

--- Page protected for one month. Status quo ante version (from April) restored onto the protected page, again. El_C 02:41, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

The PKK
It raised my eyebrows that you would revert the removal of a template that says a user support terrorist groups and calls them freedom fighters. I have friends who were killed by a the PKK and I can't emphasize how disgusting that template is.--SharabSalam (talk) 17:42, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm more interested in proper procedure than I am of editorial personal involvement. You should not be edit warring while the MfD remains undecided, regardless of your personal feelings. The status quo ante should remain in place while the matter is being debated. El_C 17:45, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

Bury F.C.
Hello, El C. You were kind enough to semi-protect this article on 27 October. The protection expires on 27 December and I'd like to ask if it can be extended by a further month until 27 January. The reason for this is that the club is in the midst of a winding-up petition in the High Court and it is widely anticipated that this will be concluded in the next few days with the club's liquidation. I doubt if the fuss will die down by 27 December and I think the article may still face problems. By the end of January, it will be old news and the article should then be stable. We can, of course, see what happens and then re-apply for protection. It depends on site procedure, really. Thanks. No Great Shaker (talk) 17:39, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅. El_C 19:52, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you, El C. That's great. No Great Shaker (talk) 10:24, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

2019 Bolivian general election
Hello El C. Please could you restore the stable version of the article, rather than reward the party breaching BRD by allowing their version to stay up. Thanks, Number   5  7  22:04, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry, though I support having the status quo ante version (per WP:ONUS) while a dispute is ongoing, I would rather not take sides in said dispute to the point of editing the fully-protected article. El_C 22:35, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

Edits
Hey, El C. While I respect you greatly as an admin, I believe these two edits of yours were hasty and unjustified:

 

Your reason was that references must be kept inside  tags, which is not always true (see WP:Parenthetical referencing.) Furthermore, if your issue was just the references, why did you remove the entire sentences? Or again, why didn't you correct them? As a gesture of good faith, I ask that you restore the removed contributions. Regards, GUYWAN ( t &middot; c ) 22:39, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

On second thought, don't worry about the one related to measurement of elasticities, since I removed that whole section from the article. GUYWAN ( t &middot; c ) 22:44, 2 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but now that I'm recollecting, it just seemed too unconventional to me. It still does. But I have no objection for you to restore the additions in any format you see fit. I really don't feel that strongly about this. El_C 22:46, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

Future Vehicles RfC
Hi El_C, There is some debate about whether your closure of this RfC provided any rulings (and, if so, how they would apply to this section). If you could please clarify, that would be much appreciated. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 11:08, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I decline. As my closure states, the RfC question was poorly framed. But I do believe my closure provided a rough guideline. I'm not going to issue clarifications every time a potential CRYSTAL issue is going to arise in vehicle articles. That's not going to happen. El_C 16:49, 3 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Fair enough, thanks for the reply. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 07:32, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Jessica Kwong
Hello El C, I don't believe we've officially met. This, IMO: wholly negative BLP1E, escapes CSD. Is there any way it can be deleted without it taking seven days to do so? Thanks!  Usedtobecool talK ✨ 17:32, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅. The reason was copyright violations of the New York Post. El_C 17:40, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * , thanks!  Usedtobecool talK ✨ 17:45, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

Need your help to provide the third opinion
People are trying to vandalize and edit Siddha medicine and mentioning - "The Indian Medical Association regards Siddha medicine as quackery" in multiple places in the article. All the three reference they added doesn't state so. I have initiated a discussion to remove and identify the right interpretation in the article talk page. Please help.90.185.50.46 (talk) 23:02, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * This is not the place for the help template. Please do not call good faith contributions vandalism —see what vandalism is not— that is a personal attack, which is prohibited. Please try to gain consensus for your changes on the article talk page. Thanks and good luck. El_C 23:05, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Arjoccolenty
returned from their block and immediately resumed their previous editing habits. Clearly, their two-week block was not time well spent. Thought you'd like to be made aware!  livelikemusic    talk!  21:35, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Well you will be happy to know that I'm done with the arguing. Obviously any sort of explanation I give won't be good enough. I'm done with it all. Find someone else to threaten. Just do me a favor and stay the hell away from me. Arjoccolenty (talk) 22:14, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
 * please just wait until the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers reaches resolution before adding the contested edits across multiple articles. Thanks in advance. El_C 00:13, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for taking care of Alybood (and continuing to comment on their talk page). I'll admit that that freaked me out a little, first time I've had a legal threat targeted at me on WP, so I appreciate your quick handling of the matter. creffpublic <sub style="margin-left:-8ex"> a creffett franchise (talk to the boss) 14:18, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Not at all, Creffett. Indeed, threats of legal action (or use of related legalese) produces an enormous chilling effect on the editorial process, which is why it isn't to be tolerated anywhere on the project. Happy editing! El_C 18:33, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

The realm of suggestions
If you think, which is the only hypothesis that your bizarre revert suggested to me, that in correcting Stav's misspellings, I was cocking a snook at him, you err. I am on, I believe, good terms with Bolter, he jokes about his occasional misspellings - an irony we need - and I have, without being reproved or rebuffed, occasionally helped him in the past with corrections. These corrections were necessary to make his google searches more efficient: if you write Horbat instead of Horvat, the standard archaeological transcription of the Hebrew, you don't get good results, and the same goes for Gurein instead of Guerin. Wiki is complicated enough without the odour of suspicion haunting even these amicable assists among people who have always worked together collaboratively.Nishidani (talk) 13:41, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I apologize — I should not have overstepped. Sorry again. El_C 14:56, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Possible sockpuppetry
If you were to see the edit history for Rojava, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rojava&action=history, that there are three unregistered accounts that all began editing Syria-related articles on the 7th of December. Those edits are not small either. I find it unlikely that new users are usually this skilled, if ever. Possible suspects include User:عمرو بن كلثوم or another Wikipedia editor who has a history of editing in such a way. Cheers. Sisuvia (talk) 17:38, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting support.svg Semi-protected&#32;indefinitely. El_C 19:08, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

UAK returns
Hello. Can you please reblock for another 6-12 months? The UnderArmourKid LTA recently returned on this dynamic range, continuing the same kind of 9/11 vandalism that he has been perpetrating for years. This range has a long history of disruption. Thanks.  Light and Dark2000  🌀 (talk) 05:40, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅. El_C 11:34, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Scurrilous accusation of personal attack then insta-block?
You appear to have fallen for the  second of User:Dr.Kierans attempts, at gaming the system/abusing process, the first a well documented imagining of a breach of 1R, when there was none. With admins stepping in before. Having dealt with that first case, of this now emerging pattern, of accusatory behavior without too much harassment after the first. I would leave the abstract idea with you, that while I am no admin, I do think it should be a prequisite of the power you wield as one, that at the minimum, you should be made look into the history of the 2 users involved. Particularly looking for a pattern of accusatory behavior. Noticing it is all 1 way. You know, Before you go falling for what amounts to their tattle tales?

For you instantly fell for this, their now second ruse, of theirs, in believing the figment of his own, now clearly, motivated fantasy imagination, that an edit summary that never mentioned him "was all about him and directed specifically and personally about him". A narrative they invented out of their all to eager mind. A narrative, of their own POV invention, that you incredulously believed, fell for and blocked me and then followed it up with the threat that any further personal attacks will result in a permanent block. How delightful. Yet show me where I directed my statement of fact, that refers to a talk page discussion, on paid editors and our need to be vigilant, show me where this was directed toward him. Specifically? ...for the "personal attack", to have taken place?

In light of the very related, recent statements of facts that have emerged about the specific activities of that Queen Victoria familia, and the existence of PR spin-doctors, diligently paid to handle the Prince Andrew and other "account" ...you will, I hope with this new insight, review the block you wrongly placed on my account, place my apparently "offending" edit summary here, for other admind to review, to let them decide and also review your attempt to intimidate and threaten by proxy, that the next "personal attack is permanent block". As I never named anyone, therefore you do not have your coveted "personal attack", no grounds to sanction one, none of the requirements to effect one nor enforce one, nor have this scurrilous accusation, remain as one, on my record.

For don't you kind of need a person being named or a "you" in there, for the "personal" part of the alleged "attack", to exist? To operate as Charles Manson and go converting admins of what amounts to "code" in the beatles songs, as is of Dr:Kierans "personal attacks", from what was actually a very broad statement of fact. It is particularly troubling and not the least bit reassuring. So in that, I am willing to bring this abusive gaming of the system, by those with clearly motivated reasoning, that was then followed up with your disgraceful intimidation, to the highest level of administration. Not least because Secondly, I was at work and never signed in or had the time to, during the 2 week block to challenge this troubling as it is scurrilous accusation. As what's stopping more editors claiming every statement of fact, is personally about them and that they "feel attacked"?

You did note, before blanking, that no one was named, in the "offending" edit summary didn't you? No small oversight? When you fell for their ruse, that the statement was about them. It wasn't, as if you took the time and did your due diligence to determine what was being referred to, in response, was the scourge of PR firms, spin doctoring, that are editing wikipedia. An issue I think we'd all agree is serious and much  wider than "Dr. kieran", don't we agree? Something I had hoped they would agree with also, though by their response, what of contacting you and claiming a personal attack, we can only conclude, they don't.

If you do not have the power to remove this scurrilous stain on my record, then direct me to those that do. Who would also need to review the history of Dr:Kierans, dreaming in the past of 1R "infractions" that never happened and now this accusation of a "personal attack" drawn out of a statement of fact, as this is the same pattern of "events", that while they'd like to put words in my mouth. THEY actually never happened. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boundarylayer (talk • contribs)


 * Even if you were correct, your record is not going to be expunged, Boundarylayer — because that's not something we do. I stand by my block and my warning (please do not refer to either as an "attempt to intimidate" — that aspersion is out of line), which were over a month ago. Intimating that a Wikipedia editor possesses "kinship to neo-nazis" is not something that is to be tolerated on the project. Claiming that it was addressed to no one in particular, seems like a weak argument. Please feel free to seek review of this in any forum you see fit. El_C 04:37, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

School vandal
Can you please reblock for another 6-12 months? Vandalism resumed on this school network soon after the last block had expired, and it has been full of vandalism ever since. Thanks.  Light and Dark2000  🌀 (talk) 05:28, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅. El_C 05:35, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Texas Longhorns football
Hey El C! Good morning, can you protect this page ~ since the 30th of November, it's been vandalized at least 13 times by IPs. 30 days should be good enough, until after the college bowl games are over. Thanks ~mitch~ (talk) 11:02, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Never mind ~ Fish and karate protected it for 3 weeks ~ thanks though ~ ~mitch~ (talk) 11:16, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

extended confirmed users
Why did you remove me from extended confirmed users? What did I do wrong? --I dream of Maple (talk) 15:53, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Because there is strong likelihood that you yet another incarnation of Icewhiz. I'm just waiting for an SPI report to see whether an indefinite block is also due. El_C 16:02, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * What report are you waiting for?--Bbb23 (talk) 16:16, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * One that includes a CU assessment. El_C 17:10, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * This is an outrageous accusation. I am not an incarnation. --I dream of Maple (talk) 16:09, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * If you're not Icewhiz, what other accounts have you edited with?--Bbb23 (talk) 16:16, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I have not edited with other accounts. A long time ago I did edit some without registering an account. I had some time on my hands, so I registered and I've been learning the ins and outs of stuff on here. Lots of reading. --I dream of Maple (talk) 16:24, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Could you say it plainly for the record: "I, I dream of Maple, am not Icewhiz and I have no prior connections to that account"? TIA. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 05:47, 10 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Not so outrageous. Sorry, there are too many red flags. El_C 17:10, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi El C. I'm gonna be "that guy". You say "yet another incarnation", but you link to an SPI that is all inconclusive/unrelated, where it's noted that the user agents don't match and IW was never known to use a proxy. Are there any publicly-confirmed IW socks? I see a number of editors talking as if IW is some known prolific sockmaster... but is it true? – Leviv<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">ich 04:54, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Inconclusive means that admins should use their judgement. Behaviourally, I disagree on the point of never using a proxy, but that info has been suppressed as it constituted severe harassment of another editor, so a CU who isn't also OS wouldn't be aware of the accounts (tl;dr there are accounts that have been discussed on oversight-l that are likely Icewhiz in my view that were on proxies.) Also, yes, there is confirmed IP socking and harassment that has been suppressed. TonyBallioni (talk) 05:02, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 * And I've just looked at one of the suppressed accounts. Both the account above and it are using an ISP that is used for proxies, but can also have legitimate uses. This is consistent with several other claimed socks at the SPI. The other technical data is also consistent. Given the ISP involved, I'd prefer to report like that rather than give templates. TonyBallioni (talk) 05:26, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 * By several other claimed socks at the SPI, I assume you mean these. I must have been confused when I read that they were tagged unlikely or unrelated, some of them were confirmed to a different sockmaster, and one of them was noted as user agent does not match any of Icewhiz's user agents, and about whom you said I don't know who it is, and I don't think this is Icewhiz. – Leviv<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">ich 05:43, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I'll just note that re: "I disagree on the point of never using a proxy", to say that "this is not Icewhiz b/c Icewhiz never used proxies" is akin to saying "Icewhiz is not socking b/c he never socked before". He didn't need to use proxies before, doh. As for "a number of editors talking as if IW is some known prolific sockmaster", do you think it is a coincidence that an area that had your normal, next to zero levels of socking activity for many years, once a particular editor is banned, develops a number of new accounts that use proxies, display extensive knowledge of Wikipeidia (or are super fast learners...) and edit a number of the same obscure topics that said now-banned editor did, and with the same extreme POV? Coincidences? WP:DUCK/Ockahm's razor suggest otherwise... --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 05:47, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 * an area that had your normal, next to zero levels of socking activity for many years = bullshit, Piotrus, and you know that. Yaniv has been socking for most of this past year, no? Also, we have trolls who sock and impersonate people just for the fun of it. It's not at all surprising that they would impersonate IW or other recently-blocked/banned editors (like Edgar or Eric Corbett). Someone got wrongfully blocked recently because of that troll, it was at ANI or AN. Also, there are a number of TBANed or blocked editors in this area, it could be any of them. But let's talk about the SPI at the SPI page and not El C's talk page. I only commented about talking about IW as if the unrelated/unlikely accounts, or the accounts that are confirmed to someone else, are actually his. – Leviv<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">ich 05:52, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 * No, you're correct. Those accounts are at a different ISP. Apologies on my end, I was thinking of accounts that I'd looked at earlier based on a list discussion that are almost certainly Icewhiz and were on proxies and that I just rechecked to verify. But to your broader point above, yes, we have CU evidence linking Icewhiz to IP socking and harassment of other editors on-wiki in addition to the other accounts I was referencing.Regardless of the technical findings, if someone is being disruptive in the same way as a blocked editor, then administrators are free to block them. The point of blocks is to prevent disruption. If disruption is ongoing, block them. It's that simple. CU can help point out accounts that likely fit this criteria, but it is hardly the only way to find it, even from a socking standpoint. TonyBallioni (talk) 06:12, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Language, please. I honestly don't know much about Yaniv (he never popped up in discussions/articles I was involved in), except I think I recall Icewhiz defending him from a block or such; I'd be surprising if he was impersonating Icewhiz to hurt Icewhiz, but then as I said I really don't know that much about Yaniv. My point is that while I am not very familiar with Yaniv I feel I am very familiar with Icewhiz (in the Polish-Jewish topic area) and with all editors and socks in this area and I stand by what I said, which is that 1) this area did not have any significant socking (that I am aware of) and 2) now suddenly articles I and Icewhiz edited extensively are attracting socks. Ex. Marek Jan Chodakiewicz: no socks were active there before, AFAIK, this is a niche topics very few editors edited, yet look at what's happening there now. Why would Yaniv try to impersonate Icewhiz there? What are the odds two new accounts, both with telling signs of 'not a newbie', would foray into such niche topic? --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 10:26, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

- Well, it looks like the user's open proxy has been blocked, I don't know for how long. Their unblock request is currently pending. I'm not sure if the user is Icewhiz, but I suspect the account was being used, ultimately, for disruptive and tendentious editing. I, at the very least, was going to topic ban them from EE and ARBPIA, just to be on the safe side. I may yet do that. El_C 07:48, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I've unblocked the ranges, primarily because another editor made a similar complaint of not being able to edit from work on a nearby range. Unfortunately, Cogent is positively awful about mixing webhosts with end-users. As to the specific IP listed in the unblock, it is running a PPTP VPN server, as well as SSH. Resolving the range, we see a couple fdcservers.net entries, and a mailserver - which was one of the reasons I blocked the range to begin with. SQL <sup style="font-size: 5pt;color:#999">Query me!  15:57, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, at any case, that does not inspire confidence. El_C 17:13, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 * What are the odds that as the user said on their talk page, it is due to policies of "IT department" that issued a laptop? --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 04:28, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
 * , See my latest comment @ maple's page. It's not an IT Department, it's Hola (VPN). I've blocked the /29 at the moment, and will be evaluating the 9 /16's I had blocked to see if they need to be reblocked. It turns out cogentco runs it's own whois server @rwhois.cogentco.com:4321, and we can directly query what client has what ranges. SQL <sup style="font-size: 5pt;color:#999">Query me!  22:56, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Blanking LTA
Can you please block for a while? This range has been abused for 3 months by an LTA who goes on a vandalism spree every 1-2 weeks, and all of the edits on the range since then have been only vandalism. Thanks.  Light and Dark2000  🌀 (talk) 20:34, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅. El_C 21:04, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Obvious socket puppets all sticking to 1 certain weird Turkish hoax site as a reliable source
Hello, you protected before the page Turks in Egypt because of a hoax sourcing that the Turkish population in Egypt is 25 millions, literally bigger than the whole populations of Syria, Tunisia,...etc.

These users are all the same person, all acting as different people within the same page:

1- User:O.celebi 2- IP: 2a00:23c5:8405:fa00:6da9:a8d7:46e9:5bbb 3- USer:يوسف شمس

All these are the same perosn, supporting each other and the IP comes with these accounts at the same exact time all adding the 25 Millions as a respectale source.

Mar400r (talk) 23:20, 10 December 2019 (UTC)


 * I don't know that they're the same person. If you think it to be so, please feel free to file an SPI that attempts to shows them being linked together. Also, I see nothing about the hoax on the article talk page. I agree the notion sounds nonsensical, but it's almost as if there is no record of any of that ever having been discussed, anywhere, even if to refute it utterly. What gives? El_C 03:03, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Template needs to be fixed at Jimmy Dore
Per the edit button on the article itself, it's 1RR, but there's no such template on the talk page. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 01:44, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Nor did I add it to Bill Clinton or William Barr, to name two from the top of my head. I simply did not realize that was a requirement. If it is, please show where. El_C 03:03, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Bah
. I already had my edit summary of "Congratulations! With less than three weeks to go you've snatched pole position in the "most pointless article addition of 2019" contest - and I think you'll be pretty hard to beat now..." typed up, hit enter, only to see you'd already bloody-well reverted... -- Begoon 14:53, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
 * What can I re- say — I'm swift! El_C 16:28, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Ottawa weatherbox template
Hi, I changed the snow color from green to blue in order for it to be visually distinctive from the precipitation color. Nearly all other cities use blue but for some reason some cities in Canada don't. --2601:248:5000:630:C860:A9D4:9D7F:85B3 (talk) 00:19, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh okay. Sorry, my mistake — mistook you for someone else. Thanks for explaining. Sorry again. El_C 00:21, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Help please
Please help us with the spammer at the 2019 Presidents Cup page. There is a spammer using multiple account to add potentially harmful spam there. We have warned him several times. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 00:33, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅. El_C 01:12, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Your signature please
Hey, please sign this edit. Regards. -- M h hossein   talk 04:03, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅. Thanks. El_C 05:53, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Dr.K's talk page comments reverted
I'm not sure as to Dr.K's meaning when they write [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ADr.K.&type=revision&diff=930594128&oldid=930593866 You want your pound of flesh. You think you got it. Noiw leave] — but for the record, I found it discourteous. El_C 15:23, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * As is discourteous of your part, El C, to call a victim of bullying as having "competency issues" by writing that my "editing does, indeed, invoke competency issues." because my English language skills "are poor". This was discourteous of your part, El C. Not everyone here in Wikipedia is a native English speaker or has master diploma in the English language and you ought to understand that. --- ❖ SilentResident ❖ (talk &#9993; &#124; contribs &#9998;) 16:45, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * It strikes me that your English does not seem that poor now (same with your comments at ANI), SilentResident. Your above comment is perfectly cogent, even if I disagree with the various inferences you make therein. But your aforementioned mainspace edit was written so poorly, I found, to the point of incoherence. So, you need to do better, by putting as much thought, care and attention into your edits to the mainspace as you do to talk page comments. (Again, I and others had suggested making use of draft and sandbox spaces.) Otherwise, we do, indeed, have a competency issue — one which may or may not pertain to the mastery of the English language. But regardless as to its impetus, it is a problem nonetheless. My own English is by no means perfect, by the way — it is not my native tongue, either, and I struggle with it. But there is a minimum English-language threshold that is required in order to edit here. Please ensure that you meet it. Thanks and good luck. El_C 19:47, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I have to respectfully disagree that [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Aegean_dispute&diff=930305214&oldid=930292297&diffmode=visual the edit you mentioned reverting] approaches incoherence. Like many Wikipedia contributions, the wording can be improved, but I think it's readily apparent that country A and country B are executing specific responses to country C's actions. I agree that a certain minimum level of fluency is needed, and have no issue with friendly reminders. I just think the example you chose didn't help to illustrate your point. isaacl (talk) 20:13, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, I certainly found it borderline incoherent. Describing it as "mildly" in need of copy editing was a mistake, I challenge. I don't think it is an acceptable submission. A lot more care and attention was needed to proofread that particular addition. And that is just the first (and only) addition of their's that I looked at. El_C 20:30, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Perhaps I'm just unlucky in having seen much worse edits, including from editors with long strings of good and featured articles to their credit (of course, those are isolated cases; everyone makes mistakes from time to time). I've said before that English Wikipedia can only manage its large stream of incoming edits as long as there are sufficient editors willing to rewrite the inflow to distill and capture incremental improvements. So it is important that at the very least, new editors improve over time in order to reduce this burden. isaacl (talk) 20:48, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I see a lot worse, also, but rarely from a veteran who has been here for almost a decade. El_C 21:09, 13 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Restored the thread on my talkpage. Thanks, and sorry for the original revert and the edit-summary. Rest of the details are in the edit-summary. Dr.   K.  22:58, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I had posted a few suggestions at that discussion and was hoping someone would close it. The discussion had become messy and largely pointless. I have been seeing your contributions on various articles, mainly reverting non-constructive edits, since a long time and I appreciate them together with the perfect wording you used to close the ANI thread. Keep up the good work! Cheers, Ktrimi991 (talk) 17:45, 13 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you both, for your kind words. El_C 19:47, 13 December 2019 (UTC)


 * I don't agree with Dr. K's choice of words, but I share their concern about your closure. I've opened a discussion below the closed section here. –dlthewave ☎ 20:23, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * The ANI thread was dying for closure. I don't think you need to apologize for "failing" - lots of sysops (including me) could have closed the thread and chose not to. I applaud you for not passing the buck to someone else and it's why, despite disagreeing on content, I felt the need to defend it as with-in your discretion to have done so. Thanks for trying to move the community forward on a difficult task, even if that attempt wasn't as successful as you'd hoped. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 22:47, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * What can I say? Sometimes you lose some. Hopefully, I was still able to offer counsel, to both sides. Speaking of which, I greatly appreciate yours. Many thanks, again. El_C 22:57, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I'd like to offer my thanks as well. The discussion needed to be closed, but closing it was no easy task. A "closed, awaiting closing statement" placeholder might be helpful here. I had actually started to write one but ended up edit-conflicting with Barkeep.
 * Sometimes bright-line conduct issues (such as reverting an editor's comments and then gloating that it "did the trick") get lost in the weeds because there just isn't much to say about them beyond "yup, that was bad". In this case folks seemed to agree that SR's behaviour was the more minor issue, but it generated far more discussion because it was quite complicated. –dlthewave ☎ 23:12, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Andy Ngo
El C, would you please restore the previous consensus version as part of the lock here ? Thanks, Springee (talk) 18:24, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I'm not inclined to pick a side in the content dispute by editing the fully-protected page. El_C 19:49, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * In that case would you please remind all involved editors that once a change has been reverted the correct procedure is to discuss the change. Much of my frustration is that only one editor who supported the change actually showed up on the talk page to discuss the edit.  This is a big part of how edit wars start.  All of the editors in question are experienced and should know better.  Once I started the talk page discussion no editor should have restored the disputed material without engaging in the discussion.  Anyway, I would appreciate if you would make sure the involved editors are aware of that.  Else, why have things like BRD etc?  Thanks Springee (talk) 20:03, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * If certain editors are failing to comply with the discretionary sanctions that are imposed on the article, you may request Arbitration enforcement to force them to comply. In any case, I think we are now past the reminder stage when it comes to this article and are, instead, firmly in the realm of sanctions. El_C 20:12, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't want to keep bothering you and I don't think anyone has risen to the level of needed to be reported. It would be helpful to know if you agree with my read simply to know if my understanding of the rules is poorly calibrated.  What we have is Editor A makes BOLD edit.  I disagree and revert with an edit comment only.  Editor B restores A's changes.  My view is B should never have restored the changes without opening a talk page discussion first.  If nothing else, 2:1 doesn't really make a consensus to support new material.  I open talk discussion and ping B.  Editor C agrees with me on talk page and reverts B.  Editor D restores bold change.  I ping D and like B, hear nothing.  A did nothing wrong as they were BOLD and then joined the discussion.  B and D, in my view and this is the part where I ask your opinion, shouldn't have restored without going to the talk page first and certainly should have gone to the talk page to support their actions once pinged.  Net result is no one is trying to establish a new consensus but by virtue of having a few more bodies they "win" by gaming the system vs by actually following wp:BRD and wp:CON.  Anyway, that's how I read it but I would like to know if, as an admin, you agree or if, like John Mcenroe, I'm certain the ball was in because I was the one who hit the ball.  Springee (talk) 20:42, 13 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but until I see an actual report submitted, it is a bit too difficult for me to be able to immediately assess. I reiterate that if you find that someone if ignoring the rules, you are more than free to hold them to account by submitting a report to that effect. El_C 20:52, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Would you please review this edit []. I think this as well as the edits made at the same time have crossed the line. I don't see how a reasonable consensus can come out of this. Springee (talk) 00:31, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 * By my count you have 62 posts to that TP pretty much all pushing the same POV, with a few impolite comments of your own. Perhaps you should try another tack. O3000 (talk) 01:10, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

, can you show any examples where I tell someone to "stop lying buddy"? If nothing else, for my own improvement please show what you think is my worst edit/comment. While I believe we should stick to just the arguments made, I'm sure I'm not perfect in that regard. Springee (talk) 01:43, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Don't feel disappointed, it is ok
Listen. You didn't disappoint us, just this is a sensitive and complicated issue which needs to be closed appropriately.

However I appreciate (and I am sure the others too) your time and bravery in closing this thread, and please don't take what happened tonight personally. I feel very sorry for how this unfolded but know this: we appreciate your efforts nevertheless. Be strong!!! --- ❖ SilentResident ❖ (talk &#9993; &#124; contribs &#9998;) 23:01, 13 December 2019 (UTC)


 * No worries, SilentResident. I'm good. Sorry it did not occur to me that the idiosyncrasy problems with your edit were the product of machine translation. If you are able come out with one thing from my efforts here, I hope it would be to be bold, be confident, and write your own original prose. Because I firmly believe the machine-translation is a crutch you simply don't need. Thanks again for reaching out. El_C 23:18, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I admit, I am not a fan of translation machines either. I was forced into using them due to FP@S's complaints that I "do bad translations" and I had no better ideas of how to deal with these complaints of his. But that was years ago and I hope my english language skills have improved ever since to the point of being able to do better translations by myself. Still it could be a lie to you if I told you that I am not nervous with this prospect.  Take care! --- ❖ SilentResident ❖ (talk &#9993; &#124; contribs &#9998;) 23:28, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

A beer for you!

 * Exactly like how – Leviv<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">ich says!!! Thanks mate  --- ❖ SilentResident ❖ (talk &#9993; &#124; contribs &#9998;) 23:14, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Real quick! Hah. El_C 23:18, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

You
You are an open-minded person who didn't fail anyone. You are the best of us. --valereee (talk) 04:25, 14 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Hear, hear. Well put. --bonadea contributions talk 10:15, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you Valereee, and for echoing, Bonadea. I am humbled, truly. El_C 02:01, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Thank you
I also wanted to stop by and thank you, first for willing to attempt a difficult close, and second, for changing your mind when presented with evidence to the contrary. It is increasingly rare these days, and I respect someone who can do that. You didn't disappoint anyone. I have known you for a long time and I know you are one of the best admins out there. Khirurg (talk) 05:30, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Many thanks, Khirurg. That's high praise — your recognition means a lot to me. El_C 02:01, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

favoratism and nepotism by El C in wikipedia edit
Hi, El C goons and Gangs, I am not expecting any thing good feedback from bastards like you gangs. If you are release any info against or in favour of any individual or entity, in public, you need to hear other's voice. Idiots!. Can you read below and answer? I am not convinced in the way you are responding to the public edits in pages. And you facist gangs are locking editing against your vandalism against few peoples and entities?. I dont know who are you and what is your role in wikipedia?. You are misusing Wikipedia for your own propaganda. I don't know how to respond to your activities, other way than in this page.

One thing is clear that you(Gangs) are shielding foreign born Sonia gangs and targeting peoples opposed to them. Misusing name and fame of wikipedia, for propagating your personal interest or the interest of your own gangs. You are just making mockery in wikipedia, removing credible edits against particular persons based religion or sectarion, like foreign born Sonia. Do you think we Indians are fools to listen for your aggression against Indians, favouring foreign born christian religoius Soina? It is Sonia handpicked Rosaiah taken aggressive stand to take action against Brahmani steels, that led to intensive, invasive, intrusive investigation against Reddys and ended up with cancelling the land and stalling the project. You cannot remove or omit this from Indian politics and industries

1. why did you removed the below edits in Brahmani Industries?

It was his political rivalry Rosaiah who was backed by Sonia cancelled land allocated to brahamini steels and stalled the project. Rosaiah was handpicked by Sonia, the central dictatorship of congress, after the death of then Chief minster Rajashekar Reddy. Rosaiah's tenure short lived. see the news article https://www.indiatoday.in/elections/lok-sabha-2019/story/election-results-2019-jagan-mohan-reddy-ysrcp-andhra-pradesh-1533012-2019-05-23

you can reply in my mail :theindian.144@gmail.com" if you have opennes and crediblity in removing my edits from page Obulapuram mining and Brahmani steels. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheIndian144 (talk • contribs) 05:32, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

2. Why did you removed below edit from Santhosh Hegde? Do you think Hegde did not have known corruption in his won team?. He knows it but doesn't wanted to take action on corruption until some one in IPS rank officer revolt against him. This is proof that he is biased and targeting only specific peoples on the name of corruption. and you gangs are shielding his evils and bias towards corruption, targeting peoples opposed to Sonia gangs, the Reddys. Quote There was an allegation against Hedge that he is reluctant to take action, on corruption in his own institution. This is one example that he is biased against certain peoples. See the news article on allegation from an IPS officer in his team, in Lokayukta. https://www.indiatoday.in/india/south/story/hegde-lokayukta-money-cartel-ips-officer-madhukar-shetty-146012-2011-11-17 There were billions of tons of iron ore has been extracted from Bellary mines, by about 100 companies engaged in mining activities. But Hegde didn't wanted to find illegal mining by those companies. See the Bellary region mining activities from the list http://ibm.nic.in/writereaddata/files/07122016174057Directory_Major_2015.pdf. There were no system to verify the dignity of investigating officers

3. Why did you removed below edit from Obulapuram mining company? Do you enjoy monarch and dictatorships in public/social sites like Wikipedia?.

It is evident that obalaburam mining company get intensive, intrusive, invasive scrutiny ind investigation after the brain child of Sonia Rosaih becaome chief minister. And it was evident that the CBI officer Lakshmi Narayana gone to the level of behaving like goons, during his investigation. Do you gangs wanted to protect the Gangs of foreign born Sonia at any cost. Do not force us to take harse decision against you gangs, for misguiding world and India. You cannot run a social site for you own Gang's interest.

Once again, I humbly request you to reinstate the contents you removed as there is credible source provide, like any othe contents you published in the page. Do not try to fool everyone. We are not fools to read what you publish and what you propogate without propoer evidence.

Quote However, it is political rivalry, favouritism led to misuse of CBI and government authorities against any particular community. In this case, it is then congress chief minister Rosaiah because of reddy brother's good standing with former's political rivalry Jagan mohan Reddy, now the chief minister of Andhra Pradhesh. It was evidenced that Reddys had good standing with India's leading steel manufacturers, for decades, nullifying all the false claims. It should be recalled that Rosaiah rose to power under the dictatorship of then central congress leadership, after death of then chief minister Mr Raja Sekhar reddy. Roasiah's tenure short lived. One such CBI officer Lakshmi Narayana, investigating the case, slapped an IAS officer during his investigation, suggesting that CBI officer was acting as goons in the street for his personnel/caste and in favoured few business mans and ploiticians who are rivalry to Reddys See below references for sources {https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/indl-goods/svs/metals-mining/jsw-reddys-deal-hinges-on-iron-ore/articleshow/6076534.cms} https://www.gulte.com/news/74987/JD-Lakshmi-Narayana-Slapped-IAS-officer-Sri-Lakshmi

On each and every page you reported in wikipedie, there were thousands of news articles available in favaour or against each and every one. Can you verify the authenticity of all those things ?. what you puplsihed were not in full and deviates from real identity of the contents published there in. Needless to explain further, if are openness you must reinstate everything you removed from my edit. Otherwise you will be treated as a Gangs waging war against India, Indians and Indian systems. Just protecting vested interests on the name of social media.

You cannot keep whole world in you pocket. You cannot dictate terms to everyone in the world by keeping few information among many info in the same news. Do you think India and Indians should behave like slave under other religious Sonia and her goons and gangs across wolrd. Bastard. Behave yourselves. we are not babies to obey your Grenard like attack on India, Indians, Indian system or grave yards like information in wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8f8:1327:51cb:5d72:c2ce:6687:e4dc (talk)

IPs blocked
I've range-blocked the author of the above diatribe while leaving the removal of same to you. Favonian (talk) 12:09, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for taking care of it, Favonian. El_C 02:01, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Pete Buttigieg Page Requires Autoconfirmed Users Only
Hi there. I did most of my editing in 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011, so I'm a bit out of the loop perhaps, but it seems a little excessive to require autoconfirmed users only for Pete Buttigieg's page for 2 months. I've looked back at the history of that article and have seen no edits made in bad faith. Also, I noticed there was a discussion in the article's talk page about this issue, so if you could shed some light there with regard to your point of view, that would be appreciated. Best regards. Fifth Harmony Fanboy (talk) 06:02, 15 December 2019 (UTC)


 * The page was protected on November 4 until the 11th. On the 12th, it had to protected again until the 26th. On the 27th, I protected it, yet again, this is time for considerably longer. This was because a non-confirmed user added a death hoax, which I revdeleted (admins only). Hope that makes sense to you now. El_C 19:27, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

2019 Turkish offensive into north-eastern Syria edit warring
El C, I am finding myself contacting you again because we would seem to have a new edit warring situation and you have always been great at resolving and finding a solution. Over at the article 2019 Turkish offensive into north-eastern Syria we have an editor (Vallee01) who is engaging in edit warring by constantly inserting that the offensive is "ongoing" based on sources that are from before the offensive was said to had concluded. Not to mention he is also overlinking. Its been pointed out to him several times that the sources he is providing are from before the offensive ended but he has ignored this and is constantly pushing his own POV that the offensive is ongoing. He even inserted one source that talks about unrelated clashes in a totally different part of Syria. This fails WP:VERIFIABILITY. At this point this is a miss-representation of the cited sources. Additionally, he just made a 1RR violation which is applied to all Syria-related articles. He has been warned of the violation but he ignored the warning and instead resorted to accusing the fellow editor who warned him of using sockpuppets. This also isn't according to WP:GOODFAITH. The user has only been editing for a few months and I can understand him not understanding Wikipedia's policy thoroughly, but when the editor ignores the warnings openly, continues with WP policy violations and resorts to bad faith comments then I do not know what to do. EkoGraf (talk) 14:58, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Update - Seems the editor has, at least partially, canceled his revert but is still showing no signs of changing his mind on the issue on the talk page of the article. EkoGraf (talk) 18:58, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Okay, I will look into it. El_C 19:27, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you, also, an editor who started editing Wikipedia only in the last few days (and this article in particular) made an edit here which is suspiciously the same kind of edit  an IP editor last week was also pushing for which you yourself blocked. Based on the editing pattern and the specific kind of edit I think its the same person. EkoGraf (talk) 12:53, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
 * No problem. Happy to help. Are you going to launch a Socking investigation? El_C 13:20, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Never mind about that last query — user has been indeffed. El_C 14:42, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Was thinking about it but Bbb23 already identified him as you say. EkoGraf (talk) 20:00, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Edit war
Dear El C,

I have reported someone at the ANI and didn't get the result I hoped for. And you made the final edit, saying it was no violation. This is ok, I am not mad that it was no violation. But I did expect to be told where to report such edits with which I do not agree. I mean I get support at the talk page, but it gets reverted again. No source provided that I am wrong, and the main reverter declares he refuses to read my sources that are from the UN, who's info in the source is provided as a resource for lecturers. It says so in the source on the UN website. And his source also says the opposite of what the UN has about itself. Where can I report such events, receive advice and help? Paradise Chronicle (talk) 22:00, 16 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Paradise Chronicle, there are dispute resolution requests you can employ. Hopefully, one of em will help you get outside input into the dispute. Good luck. El_C 22:12, 16 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 22:24, 16 December 2019 (UTC)