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Hello Basalisk! Thank you for your willingness to help out Wikipedia. Vandalism is a major issue on Wikipedia right now. First, it would be best to install a vandalism-fighting tool, such as Twinkle or Huggle. Both are very good vandalism-fighting tools. You can install Twinkle by going to the "Gadgets" tab in your preferences. After getting used to Twinkle or Huggle, you can request the rollback feature. Generally, you need a substantial amount of vandalism reverts in order to request the tool. The rollback feature is a very useful tool in vandalism fighting. If you want, you can participate in Articles for deletion requests by posting if the article meets Wikipedia's policies. I hope this helps you out, if you have any other questions, please post on my talk page or re-add the   template. Happy editing! --   Luke      (Talk)   01:13, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Yoko Ono
hi, thanks for your help with yoko ono I would like to update the John Lennon article but it's "locked" how do I make a request to include the information on his son? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.96.80.15 (talk) 17:52, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Your request for rollback
Hi Basalisk. After reviewing your request for rollback, I have enabled rollback on your account. Keep in mind these things when going to use rollback: If you no longer want rollback, contact me and I'll remove it. Also, for some more information on how to use rollback, see New admin school/Rollback (even though you're not an admin). I'm sure you'll do great with rollback, but feel free to leave me a message on my talk page if you run into troubles or have any questions about appropriate/inappropriate use of rollback. Thank you for helping to reduce vandalism. Happy editing!  F ASTILY  (TALK) 21:08, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Getting rollback is no more momentous than installing Twinkle.
 * Rollback should be used to revert clear cases of vandalism only, and not good faith edits.
 * Rollback should never be used to edit war.
 * If abused, rollback rights can be revoked.
 * Use common sense.

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Petroleum industry in Azerbaijan
Hi Basalisk. Do you mind explaining this edit in Petroleum industry in Azerbaijan. You deleted suggested reading and sourced data from the article. I'd appreciate a response. Thank you in advance!  Tuscumbia  (talk ) 14:09, 10 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi tuscumbia. I don't know what has happened there. I did revert the addition of the reference list, but had no intention to remove anything else. I did so because I believed the editor who placed it there was engaged in a campaign of self-promotion (a few minutes before I'd reverted an edit where he'd added his personal email address to a reference list of an article. I left him a message on his talk page reminding him to format further reading lists according MOS). I probably overstepped the mark anyway; I never thought of it as "further reading" and probably should have just left it there. Beyond that I can only apologise and admit I could've handled it better. Sorry for the damage, never meant to cause trouble. Sorry! Basa lisk  inspect damage ⁄berate  20:11, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi Basalisk. I did not find any addition of personal email, etc. Anyway, I restored the text. No need for apologies :) Happens. Thanks for your quick response.  Tuscumbia  (talk ) 20:24, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

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Secret RV Crisis
I've only had to rv twice, so I don't count that "war", yet, but he's put it back a 3d time, I see. I'll post on talk there; your comment is welcome, since I also notice you agree it's spam.  TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 00:44, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
 * IDK if this warrants anything so serious. (I've seen worse.) What I will do is post on the Project talk for more comment. Maybe it'll attract an Admin.  TREKphiler  any time you're ready, Uhura 14:08, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * There's at least one good thing: there's already at least 3 people rv'ing this, so none of us will hit the 3RR, but I'm betting the anon will, & it'll bite him. Hard way to learn a lesson, but... G'day, mate. ;p  TREKphiler  any time you're ready, Uhura 14:19, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * FYI, the IP already bought himself a warning under NPA, so fighting with him is only going to cause you trouble. If it really bugs you, take the page off your watchlist awhile. (I have to when it gets bad, 'cause I'm terrible about letting it go by. 8o) Otherwise, you're giving yourself grief for nothing. He sure doesn't care.  TREKphiler  any time you're ready, Uhura 01:19, 23 October 2011 (UTC) (Post scriptum I should have thought to tell you before... 01:21, 23 October 2011 (UTC))
 * I wish I understood it. It leaves me thinking he works at or for CGC, which he's denied, & I honestly can't think of another reason to do it, let alone keep doing it. Unless he's just a natural-born dickhead, which isn't impossible. :( (Which may be NPA, too. 8o )  TREKphiler  any time you're ready, Uhura 13:53, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
 * That has its drawbacks. It's a presumption of intent to return, & when I first came here, I wasn't sure I'd come back. (I'm also annoyed at websites, including news sites, requiring pre-registration just to add a comment, especially when their registration process is a PITA....) There's really no cure, since the same junk does get added by users, too. :( I favor a tougher blocking policy, or at least a consistent one. From what I've seen, it's at the whim of whoever imposes the block. Would that fix it all? Probably not, unfortunately... :( <font color="#3F00FF"> TREKphiler  <font color="#008000">any time you're ready, Uhura 14:11, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

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It looks to me, that you placed your !vote not on the right AFD. Angélique Vialard is an amateur snooker player. Regards, Armbrust Talk to me about my edits<sub style="color:#0892D0;">review  20:02, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
 * WOW. No idea how that happened. Massive oops. Thanks for the heads up. Basa lisk  <sup style="color:green;">inspect damage ⁄<sub style="color:#CC9900;">berate  23:48, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

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Questionable
This was very questionable. As the nominator, attempting an unsigned supervote in a comment box rings wrong. I have no opinion on the AFD, but you should not have written that, especially unsigned, especially in a magic box. Hipocrite (talk) 13:49, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I understand your concern. I put the comment box at the top simply because a lot of the keep !votes are copy-pastes from the previous discussion and I wanted any potential closing admin to be aware of this (especially seeing as the previous closer apparently did so without even comparing the discussion to policy). I absolutely intended no deceit regarding a signature, I didn't think to sign it. However, I will do so now that you have raised the concern. Do you have any other concerns? Regards Basa lisk  <sup style="color:green;">inspect damage ⁄<sub style="color:#CC9900;">berate  14:19, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes. It's not neutral. I'm rewriting it as a disinterested individual - perhaps you can see what makes my version different than your version. Hipocrite (talk) 14:22, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I have to say I disagree with you – there is no requirement that such a notice be neutral to the debate. I also consider myself to be a "disinterested individual". Basa lisk  <sup style="color:green;">inspect damage ⁄<sub style="color:#CC9900;">berate  14:32, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * You nominated the article for deletion. You don't want it deleted? The nominator should not attempt to supervote. Hipocrite (talk) 14:33, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't want a delete or a keep. What I want is for the closing admin to act on consensus and policy, not a democratic vote. I can't possibly be so-called "supervoting" as a deletion discussion is not a poll; I was instead drawing attention to why the discussion was re-opened. Basa lisk  <sup style="color:green;">inspect damage ⁄<sub style="color:#CC9900;">berate  14:40, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * You !voted delete. You sure you don't think the article should be deleted? Hipocrite (talk) 14:41, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * You know what, you're right. I do think that WP policy dictates the article should be deleted. However, there is no requirement that any notice on a deletion discussion should be neutral (see the canvassing notice above it) and you are out of line removing the notice I placed. If you want to raise your concerns or introduce a notice of your own, that's fine, and I can't stop you from doing so just to make a WP:POINT. But the notice I placed there was valid (particularly in light of the previous discussion). Basa lisk  <sup style="color:green;">inspect damage ⁄<sub style="color:#CC9900;">berate  14:48, 12 December 2011 (UTC)


 * This 2nd AfD was unwise to bring so soon after a strong keep close. I would ask that you consider opining a wish to withdraw your nomination without prejudice to renomination in six months.  The AfD is a waste of editor resources.  Cheers.--Milowent • <sup style="position:relative">has<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-3.2ex;*left:-5.5ex;">spoken  02:56, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi. I hear what you're saying, and I realise that the new AfD was a controversial move, but I would like to mention (for the nth time) that I only did so because I felt the previous one was closed incorrectly. I'd also like to point out that I floated the idea at ANI first, and only proceeded after some editors showed support for another discussion. I wasn't part of the original discussion and so I don't see this as me flogging a dead horse – this is the first time I've been involved, and I acted in good faith. For those reasons, I'd prefer to let the discussion run its course and close according to due process. I won't be withdrawing the nomination (particularly as there is some significant opinion to delete; a withdrawal would be unfair on those editors), but you're welcome to ask for an early close in the discussion. Regards Basa <font color="CC9900">lisk  inspect damage⁄<font color="CC9900">berate 12:18, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
 * If it wouldn't cause more drama, I would NAC IAR close now as inevitable no consensus. A withdrawal would only be symbolic but would help get the discussion over with.  All time spent on AfD is overhead to the project, so its nice to make it efficient when we can.  But, thanks for your response.--Milowent • <sup style="position:relative">has<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-3.2ex;*left:-5.5ex;">spoken  14:03, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Ambelland
After the warning you gave this user I had hoped he would refrain from further personal attacks, sadly he has not. Says I am biased and am pushing an agenda. Says he was right to call me a vandal and another accusation of bias and also that I am editing in bad faith, would you please warn him again to desist from this behaviour. Darkness Shines (talk) 23:39, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I've had another word with him about his trigger-happy use of vandalism accusations, but apart from that I don't think he's been uncivil in that discussion. Be careful about your reverts too – I haven't read through all the diffs but you seem to be determined to remove some of his edits which are well sourced (one such statement is sourced to the Guardian newspaper in the UK, certainly a reliable source). If you feel you need input from other editors then see here for options. Regards Basa <font color="CC9900">lisk  inspect damage⁄<font color="CC9900">berate 23:59, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

I like your sig
That's it, really. It jus amused me and I wanted to say so. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 00:54, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Cheers bro! Basa <font color="CC9900">lisk  inspect damage⁄<font color="CC9900">berate 01:02, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

That IP wikihounding me again after agreement not to
See. Yworo (talk) 03:02, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
 * No wikihounding. No interaction with Yworo. Just a simple correction to an article, and even an invitation on the talk page for anyone to discuss. As usual, Yworo goes into a knee-jerk rage because someone disagrees with him. 24.163.38.235 (talk) 03:21, 15 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Edits clearly fit the description of Wikihounding due to expression of perceived slights, the "errors" "corrected" are not unambiguous, and the hounding is being accompanied by tendentiousness, edit warring, personal attacks like just above and at AN/I. Yworo (talk) 04:06, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Santi Bonfanti
Hello Basalisk, regarding your closure of Articles for deletion/Santi Bonfanti, I had relisted the discussion 20 minutes prior. I did this because, while only the nominator was arguing for deletion, the nominator brought up valid points that have not been addressed. The deletion concern is whether or not the subject has received significant coverage in reliable sources. No sources were presented by the keep !voters to meet this concern, nor did the comments even clearly establish the subject's notability. Could you please undo the closure and allow further comments to establish clearer consensus. Thank you, Alpha_Quadrant    (talk)  03:11, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that. To be completely honest I'm trying to learn the ropes regarding non-admin closures. I'm bound to make a few mistakes but I'll be more useful for it! I've relisted the discussion...but I'm not too sure I've done it correctly. Really sorry if I've made a hash of it, I'll be more careful in future. Basa <font color="CC9900">lisk  inspect damage⁄<font color="CC9900">berate 03:17, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
 * ...yeah, I did make a balls up of it. Sorry about that. Back to school for me... Basa <font color="CC9900">lisk inspect damage⁄<font color="CC9900">berate 03:24, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Not a problem, everyone makes mistakes. I corrected the relist for you. Keep up the good work. Best wishes, Alpha_Quadrant    (talk)  03:25, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment: A very civil exchange here, gents, that does credit to you both. I noticed this as it was happening and thought about saying something, as I had a vote-cum-noxious blast I wished to interject, and now that you've given me the chance, I hope you don't regret it (too much). --Hobbes Goodyear (talk) 01:09, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

PROD
I would like to know why you proposed the article List of accolades received by Bodyguard (2011 Hindi film) for deletion. -- Karthik Nadar 07:34, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi. I PRODed the article because it appears to be an obscure list of information, which is discouraged by wikipedia guidelines. Basa <font color="CC9900">lisk  inspect damage⁄<font color="CC9900">berate 07:39, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Then what about this article List of accolades received by Lage Raho Munna Bhai? The list is just the start, and is set to expand and become a huge page within few months after few more awards. -- Karthik Nadar 07:44, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Please see WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS. Feel free to PROD the second list as well; you'd have my support. Regards Basa <font color="CC9900">lisk  inspect damage⁄<font color="CC9900">berate 07:47, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Then what about this one List of accolades received by Avatar, a featured article? I'm just clarifying my doubts. -- Karthik Nadar 07:54, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Again, see WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS. Feel free to PROD the Avatar list article if you want. As an aside, the original list article was just speedied for a completely different issue (blatant copyvio) Basa <font color="CC9900">lisk  inspect damage⁄<font color="CC9900">berate 07:55, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The article was surely not a copy vio. The website which you referred as copy vio had instead copied from Wiki page. The copy-vio corenbot says that it's okay if the text is copied from Wiki. -- Karthik Nadar 07:58, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * You may or may not be correct, but I'm the wrong person to raise the issue with as I neither tagged the article as a copyvio nor actually deleted it. It was tagged by a bot and deleted by the patrolling admin; you'll have to take it up with him. Basa <font color="CC9900">lisk  inspect damage⁄<font color="CC9900">berate 08:01, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I would take a look at this myself to try and clear it up, but since the article has already been deleted I don't have access to it I'm afraid. The admin who deleted it is User:Guerillero so you could ask him about it. Be nice! He's just doing his job. Basa <font color="CC9900">lisk  inspect damage⁄<font color="CC9900">berate 08:03, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Hey, I'm sorry in case you felt me a little rude. But I was just seeking for justification, because this is not the alone list article for accolades. Cheers! -- Karthik Nadar 08:21, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * No problems man. Basa <font color="CC9900">lisk  inspect damage⁄<font color="CC9900">berate 08:23, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Altered speedy deletion rationale: The samoyed
Hello Basalisk. I am just letting you know that I deleted The samoyed, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, under a different criterion from the one you provided, which doesn't fit the page in question. Thank you. Guerillero &#124; My Talk  07:36, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. Couldn't make up my mind to be honest. Basa <font color="CC9900">lisk  inspect damage⁄<font color="CC9900">berate 07:50, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Re: Thanks
No problem. Long days happen, they can get the best of us. =)

The research was, of course, easy - the dupe detector found a link. It wasn't entirely a line by line duplicate, as it omitted certain data, but it's close enough to criteria for copyvio that it's reasonable.

Have a good night, and a safe and happy holiday. -- Dennis The Tiger  (Rawr and stuff) 07:57, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

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JV
JV was warned by an admin a couple of hours before launching that attack on me. By the way do you notice a similar editing pattern with any other participants in the talk page. I'm specifically thinking of someone trying to needle. Interested to hear your thoughts. Wee Curry Monster talk 21:14, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

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WP:DICK
Actually, I didn't mean to call you a dick, though it may have looked that way. I'm sure you can deduce which editors I may have been talking about, though. Not sure it makes a difference, but hope you feel less attacked. Happy holidays :). -Kai445 (talk) 21:05, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

John Valeron
The block was for personal attacks, and I don't see that in the comments you linked. I was going to leave a "this is your only warning" message, but I see nothing objectionable here, so I suspect that nothing will happen. Have a happy Christmas! Nyttend (talk) 17:19, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you for closing that thread. That was very awkward. Thanks also for assuming my good faith in the end. Debresser (talk) 15:05, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem, we all make mistakes (hence why my signature invites readers to "inspect damage"). Happy holidays Basa <font color="CC9900">lisk  inspect damage⁄<font color="CC9900">berate 15:08, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Trolls and Trollys
I have been muffled from the discussion page so I cannot really defend myself against the darkness (the user darkness shine) so let me have my say please the user has also attacked others calling them "dimwits" and reverted more 10 times today as have I so if justice is to be done we both should be blocked or warned or whatever the admins do to punish cheers again 109.150.60.235 (talk) 16:44, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

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Sock hunting
Probably, but I need to cogitate a tiny bit on the matter first and try some crossref in other venues - it does no good if I go off in the wrong direction at the very beginning. MSJapan (talk) 02:47, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Bubu Jingxin
Thanks for fixing the redirect.--NeoBatfreak (talk) 06:35, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem. Basa <font color="CC9900">lisk  inspect damage⁄<font color="CC9900">berate 06:36, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * From what I read of this message board, can I ask that, are you a member of Wikipedia's Guild of Copy Editors? If you are, any chance you can copy edit Startling by Each Step, to see if further grammar check is needed?  --NeoBatfreak (talk) 06:42, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll get right on it. Basa <font color="CC9900">lisk  inspect damage⁄<font color="CC9900">berate 06:46, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you.--NeoBatfreak (talk) 06:49, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅ Let me know if there are any problems. Basa <font color="CC9900">lisk  inspect damage⁄<font color="CC9900">berate 07:17, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Nope, no problem at all. Thank you very much.--NeoBatfreak (talk) 20:33, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

If the word "crisis" is the problem in the article I created over the recent events involving Hormuz, could the term "dispute" be a solution to keep the article?
As asked above. If it is a problem with the name having the word "crisis", then I accept that the name could be changed to replace the term "crisis" with "dispute". Whether it is the "crisis in the Strait of Hormuz" or the "Strait of Hormuz dispute", it is still a serious issue that has recently erupted - US, British, French, and Russian naval forces entered the Persian Gulf area this weekend and multiple government officials from the US, China, and other states have responded to the events happening in the Persian Gulf. Iran's recent military exercises in the Gulf and threats to attack US forces should a US aircraft carrier enter the region have aggravated the US.--R-41 (talk) 22:46, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * If you're asking for my personal opinion, no. Whatever the article is called, I don't think this event is discreetly notable. I think one option would be add it to Iran-United States relations, but now I look there I see it already has a section on the event. Perhaps you should contribute there? Having seen that section at the Iran-US relation article, it's clear that the current crisis article at AfD is a speedy deletion candidate under CSD:A10. Basa <font color="CC9900">lisk  inspect damage⁄<font color="CC9900">berate 23:05, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

== Deletion of the "Straits of Hormuz dispute" on basis of a Iran-US dispute article does NOT account for opposition by the Gulf Cooperation Council of Arab states, the UK, and Russia's opposition to Iran's threat ==

This is an international relations dispute involving more than a Iranian-US dispute, it involves the Gulf Cooperation Council that includes Saudi Arabia and other Arab states, it involves Russia opposing Iran's threat - Russia has not always been on the side of the US, it involves the UK, and others. China has responded to the issue. Thus it cannot be merged into an article on Iran-US relations.--R-41 (talk) 23:19, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Quite simply, yes it can. You can make a passing mention of all the above at that article in the appropriate section. Please don't take the deletion personally. Basa <font color="CC9900">lisk  inspect damage⁄<font color="CC9900">berate 23:21, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not taking it personally. I'm taking it as a hastily decided move that does not account for Russia, China, the Gulf Cooperation Council, the UK, and others, that are not collectively represented in "Iran-US" relations. Moving the entire topic of the dispute into an article on Iran-US relations does not represent a world view of the issue.--R-41 (talk) 23:24, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I think doing so would be appropriate. Though the governments of other countries have indeed had their say, this is primarily a US-Iran dispute. Making a passing mention of the involvement of other countries would be appropriate for the US-Iran relations article. Basa <font color="CC9900">lisk  inspect damage⁄<font color="CC9900">berate 23:26, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * It is not a Iran-US dispute to several Persian Gulf Arab states - it is a freedom of trade dispute between them and Iran - Iran is claiming the right to control all trade going in and out of the Persian Gulf - that would block their sea lane trade routes. Russia cannot be associated with the United States, its leader, Vladimir Putin has been denounced by various members of the US government and US-Russian relations have been icy since the Georgian War of 2008, how how can Russia be considered in a "Iran-US" relations article? As I said, that article is only for Iran-US relations, it does not represent a world view on the issue as a whole.--R-41 (talk) 23:30, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * You're still ignoring the fact that none of this stuff has actually happened yet. Iran isn't imposing trade restrictions on other Gulf nations because it hasn't closed the strait, and who cares about what Putin thinks about an event which hasn't happened.
 * Look, if and when Iran does close the strait, I'd thoroughly agree with you, but until then we can't build an entire article around drama and speculation. This is going to sound pretty simple because it is – until something happens, nothing has happened. Basa <font color="CC9900">lisk  inspect damage⁄<font color="CC9900">berate 23:35, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Calm down. First, if "nothing has happened" why are multiple countries responding to Iran's statement - including a Western-Russian mobilization of naval forces in the Persian Gulf region? What has happened - the US and other Western countries are actively pushing for sanctions against Iran - this has been the response. Iran's recent naval drills been identified as provocative. "Who cares about what Putin thinks? - the UN Security Council does - any sanctions or legitimate military actions against Iran require either a Russian vote in favour or an abstention on such issues in the UN Security Council. US, UK, and Russian naval forces have mobilized and moved into the Persian Gulf region. Plus there are multiple sources stating that a dispute is growing. You yourself said that this issue is being discussed on the US-Iran relations article, so it is an issue - so something is happening.--R-41 (talk) 23:41, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I am perfectly calm, thanks for your concern. Ok, so everyone and his dog is pursuing greater sanctions against Iran. Just like every other day for the last 5 years. And Iran's military activities are considered "provocative". Just like every other day for the last 5 years. Big deal. I reiterate; nothing has happened. Just because there's a lot of hot air in the news, doesn't make this event notable (mainly because, as we've been over before, in order to qualify as an "event" something has to actually happen).
 * I'm not discussing this with you any further. Even if you'd changed my mind and I agreed with you (you haven't, and I don't), I don't know what you're expecting me to do about it. You should just let this go, or head over to Iran-United States relations and edit the section there. Up to you. Beyond that, there's nothing more I can help you with. Regards Basa <font color="CC9900">lisk  inspect damage⁄<font color="CC9900">berate 23:48, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Well should the issue grow over the next month or two would you still oppose an article on it. Do not do so if it's just because your pissed off at me.--R-41 (talk) 23:50, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not pissed off with you man, and I'd never let my personal feelings about an editor sway my !vote at an AfD; I'd just stay away from it. As I said a little earlier, should Iran actually attempt to close the strait at any point, then I'd agree an article is warranted. If nothing more than continued sabre-rattling happened over the next month, my position would probably remain unchanged. Basa <font color="CC9900">lisk  inspect damage⁄<font color="CC9900">berate 23:52, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
Toddst1 (talk) 05:29, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

About Seyed mohammad taher hashemi Speedy
Hi Basalisk. Fine by me. I did the give a chance thing here. If the article should be included in the project, it may well be re-added. --Shirt58 (talk) 11:10, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up. If it gets re-created I'll stay away and leave it in your capable hands. Basa <font color="CC9900">lisk  inspect damage⁄<font color="CC9900">berate 11:13, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * "Stay away"? Don't be a stranger!
 * "Your capable hands"? Erm, you're talking to a user that started such risible articles as Hevisaurus, Ego Leonard and Parkes Elvis Festival. And about the last mentioned, I heard some of that article quoted back to me on ABC Radio National as I bicycled to work today.
 * --Shirt58 (talk) 10:47, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Can you please tell me which websites are counted as reliable for online games notability
Hello. I am really confused about admins notability criteria. I believe that i have many notable, authority sources yet they are not counted sufficient by administrators. So i am seeking your help here. Which websites out there counted as an authority. Thank you. ShareToGain (talk) 11:36, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I know you've probably been directed to this page a million times already, but WP:RS provides an extensive overview of sources that are considered reliable. Amongst sources that are definitely not reliable are:
 * Self-published sources, or sources that are particularly close to the subject. So, if I were to write an article about myself, for example, my own personal website wouldn't be an appropriate source. MonsterMMORPG relies heavily on material lifted from its official website, which isn't appropriate.
 * Blogs.


 * (Please note this list is not exhaustive).


 * I don't have a specific list of websites which are acceptable sources for video games, but this advice should help you to evaluate what's appropriate and what isn't. Let me know if you have further problems. Basa <font color="CC9900">lisk  inspect damage⁄<font color="CC9900">berate 11:46, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * First of all thanks for advice. What i get from advices i get is that the references should not be related to the subject and also should not be user generated. Now all of my sources are totally independed from the the game also all of them editor submitted yet they are seen as not authority. So i am very confused.OnlineGamesExpert (talk) 22:28, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Um, no they're not? For example, of the 14 citations you've made in the article, 5 of them point straight to the game's official website. Not good enough. Several of the others link to obscure MMPORG-related review sites and fan sites. These aren't the best either. If this subject is really notable, you should be able to find sources that are completely dissociated from the game; in fact that are dissociated from video games in general (such as mainstream news articles). Basa <font color="CC9900">lisk  inspect damage⁄<font color="CC9900">berate 23:38, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know. But the confusion here i believe that one rule can not be applied all. Every genre should have their notability criterias. You can not expect games to be reviewed on newspapers or books.OnlineGamesExpert (talk) 14:45, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Basalisk - Just a note for information purposes, WP:VG/S has a list of acceptable and unacceptable sites for video game references. - X201 (talk) 13:36, 10 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the heads up; I'll point StG over here. Basa <font color="CC9900">lisk  inspect damage⁄<font color="CC9900">berate 13:43, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks i am looking there. But now another question rises. Who decides they are notable or not notable. I checked them and some of them have very low alexa ranking which means getting very few visitors. In my believe that notability of websites should be most depended on alexa ranking which means how many visitors they are getting how popular they are. Notability is about popularity.OnlineGamesExpert (talk) 14:47, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
 * That is completely, utterly incorrect. I've already supplied you with the link to wikipedia's notability guideline, which should give you a good idea, but ultimately it is the community that will make a decision on a subject's notability (hence the deletion discussion about MonsterMMPORG). You don't make the decision unilaterally, and notability is certainly not based on popularity. Basa <font color="CC9900">lisk  inspect damage⁄<font color="CC9900">berate 18:19, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

pascal article
I noticed in your edit suummary you said creators are not allowed to remove prod templates. Much to my dismay - they are indeed allowed to do so. Anyone may remove a PROD. I started an RFC on this to achieve parity with CSD and was shot down. However in this particular article case, it was a BLPPROD which cannot be removed by _anyone_ unless the ref is supplied - and the autobiographer indeed did incorrectly remove it, but then you AFDed. Gaijin42 (talk) 22:51, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah I noticed that. I was about to leave a message on the creators page erroneously telling him he was not allowed to remove the notice, but got cold feet, checked the policy and realised I'd mixed it up with CSD notices (which article creators are not allowed to remove). That's why I undid my reversion and started the AfD. IMHO PRODs are a bit lightweight; they can get the job done with little fuss but they're easy to challenge, both before they're enacted and retrospectively. An AfD is far more conclusive; it'll allow us to just speedy this in future if it becomes a problem. Basa <font color="CC9900">lisk  inspect damage⁄<font color="CC9900">berate 23:02, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

LOL department
I would love to see some fucking tildes. Does the male tilde mount the female from behind? What do the children look like? ;-) --Uncle Ed (talk) 21:36, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of User:Basalisk/Sandbox/Sample transclusion


A tag has been placed on User:Basalisk/Sandbox/Sample transclusion, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia for multiple reasons. Please see the page to see the reasons. If the page has since been deleted, you can ask me the reasons by leaving a message on my user talk page.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, contest the deletion by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". Doing so will take you to the talk page where you will find a pre-formatted place for you to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, you can contact one of these administrators to request that the administrator userfy the page or email a copy to you. Basa <font color="CC9900">lisk inspect damage⁄<font color="CC9900">berate 15:49, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Sesame Afd
I hope you don't take my replies to you at the Sesame Street Afd as badgering, I basically agree with you on this article and was just trying to raise a philosophical point in a lighthearted way there. I've found that Afd very humorous thus far. Regards, Mark Arsten (talk) 16:25, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * No not at all, I like to think banter is not dead on wiki. Thanks for the message. Basa <font color="CC9900">lisk  inspect damage⁄<font color="CC9900">berate 16:49, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

MarcRey
I recognize some of my mistakes and vow to not repeat these. However, where you failed, other Wikipedia users succeeded to explain these wrongdoings to me in a neutral manner avoiding the pitfall of aligning themselves with PRODUCER in the process. In fact, all users involved have done wrong in their own distinct way and your formulation was too rash to be considered neutral. Nevertheless, I intend to obey the rules by all means. Thank you. MarcRey (talk) 19:37, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't see what's to be neutral about – I simply advised another editor to appraise you of the discretionary sanctions in place. I only wrote two sentences. I did, however, make the suggestion that you'd be better off to drop it and move on, and predicted it wouldn't be long before you found yourself blocked if you didn't. Here we are a day later, and you're blocked for legal threats. Can't say I didn't try to warn you; I was trying to help. Basa <font color="CC9900">lisk  inspect damage⁄<font color="CC9900">berate 18:57, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

You'd send my article for deletion
The article Asit Vora that you had sent for deletion as it didnt had proper information was being edited by me. I m currently collecting the resources and the page will be ready in 1 day. Please withdraw that deletion request. Thank you. --Yasht101 (talk) 10:56, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, I admit I jumped the gun on that one. The patrolling admin (who makes the ultimate decision on whether to speedily delete the article or not) decided not to delete it anyway, so no harm done.
 * In future, if you're working on an article that isn't complete yet, try creating a subpage of your userpage and creating the article there first. How to do so is explained here. Then, once you've completed the article to an acceptable standard, you can create the article properly and copy everything from the subpage to the main article. That way, you're less likely to leave half-finished articles lying around, which other users may mark for deletion. Regards Basa <font color="CC9900">lisk  inspect damage⁄<font color="CC9900">berate 12:22, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

I m new to wikipedia so i didnt knew it. Thank you for informing about that. And sorry if I caused any kind of trouble to you. --Yasht101 (talk) 15:23, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Not at all, I'm here to help. Basa <font color="CC9900">lisk  inspect damage⁄<font color="CC9900">berate 15:35, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

RFC Question
Do you think an RFC is possible? I ask because every attempt to elicit outside opinion is deterred by the same fractious and tendentious argument that we see on the talk page. Wee Curry Monster talk 16:56, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I share your concerns that every time an external opinion is sought, the same involved editors show up and we don't actually get an external opinion at all. I see that. However at this point I don't see what other option we have. There are clearly several editors opposed to your suggestion that the Raw Story source is unreliable and so consensus is against you in that. I think the only way you can change it is by seeking a more formal input from the wider community, and an RfC, regardless of our concerns over involvement, is the obvious step. Basa <font color="CC9900">lisk  inspect damage⁄<font color="CC9900">berate 16:59, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes but thats a total misinterpretation of policy, you can't make an unreliable source such as an WP:SPS reliable by consensus. By definition it fails WP:RS.  Equally it was being used to source pure speculation by the author.  As encyclopedic content it fails on both counts.  I am happy to start an RFC but seriously doubt what it will achieve.  Wee Curry Monster talk 20:51, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, do what you feel is right. I was just giving you my opinion. Basa <font color="CC9900">lisk  inspect damage⁄<font color="CC9900">berate 21:43, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I meant no disrespect, I've just lodged an RFC, so well I guess we shall see. In passing, I would like to extend my thanks for your comments in previous discussions.  Wee Curry Monster talk 21:46, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Merry Christmas
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