User talk:Elahrairah/Archive 7

SPI - Regarding XMattingly's blocked account
Hi, Basalisk. Thanks for your attention into this. There is no need to remind me to keep discussion civil though, since I never made an inflammatory comment. As I said before, this was the only comment that I made on the Bradley Manning talk page. The others that were attributed to me are completely false.[1 ][2 ]. It looks like Richard BB fully intended to throw the book at me based on an assumption, which you agreed with.|[3 ].

It looks like the user Numazİs was ultimately attributed to someone named JarlaxleArtemis[4], who is apparently a big thorn in Wikipedia's side. Given your comment to Toddy1 (on the "SPI" subject) on your talk page that Numazİs was a sock of someone, I'm not getting the impression that concrete evidence was present before you decided to block my account. One way or the other, having followed the talk page history, sock puppet investigation, etc. it does appear that my account was hacked. And I'm not happy about having to deal with a wrong judgement against my account, and especially having my input about the state of the Bradley Manning article silenced, either.

I would appreciate more information on the following:
 * 1) Can I get verification that my account was hacked, and how can I prevent this in the future?
 * 2) Since my only wrongdoing was not more than making a page edit and reverting someone else's revert, can I get the "Blocked for sockpuppetry" subject expunged from my talk page?

Anyway, from all appearances I'll have to assume that one or more people were abusing Wikipedia in the midst the controversy, and I got caught in the crossfire. Thanks again for your consideration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.171.97.91 (talk) 00:16, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Ban policy and consequences
Hi Basalisk,

I would appreciate your opinion as supervisor in the issue Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents. He absolutly can't help doing it:. --Best regards, KS (wat?) 09:12, 22 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Basalisk, the user "Keysanger" who has messaged you above was vandalizing the article on the War of the Pacific (see ), which is why I made a notification of the issue at AN/I. As you can see in the article's history (see ), his actions were reverted by User:Cloudaoc and User:Darkness Shines (the former being the one who contacted me about the problem, and the latter responding to Keysanger's "strange" actions in the talk page).
 * In the article's talk page, my only actions were to recommend Keysanger to "provide evidence for his claims" and also notified that his vandalism of the article (massive deletion of source material) was further unjustified given that he even deleted an author, Jorge Basadre, who he claimed was reliable (for Keysanger's deletion of the Basadre source, see ).
 * I believe my actions at no point broke my topic ban and were justified under the "obvious vandalism clause" at WP:TBAN.
 * If you have time, please do look further into Keysanger's actions at the article. He seems to have a major WP:COI in the subject. I honestly would like to respond to his content questions (I have the book and information he claims is "nonexistent"), but have refrained myself from doing so per the TBAN.
 * Best regards.-- MarshalN20 | T al k 13:49, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
 * EMail me the full quotes please. Darkness Shines (talk) 14:27, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
 * The information is found in the second paragraph of page 192. I'd rather not take any further action at this point without listening to Basalisk's advice. Nonetheless, if Basalisk thinks it's appropriate, I can also just write the text to your talk page (both in Spanish and the translation). I am honestly not trying to mock the topic ban (and have been mindful of it in my actions); in this case, the issues of vandalism and conflict of interest are pretty blatant.-- MarshalN20 | T al k 14:52, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Spanish is not my language, posting on my talk page would violate the TBAN, mailing it to me will not. Darkness Shines (talk) 14:16, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi Basalisk,

I want to explain you why I have some apprehensions about Mashal's behavior and about his noxious influence about another editors. I think the best form is in a chronological table:


 * At 01:02, 20 October 2013 User:Cloudaoc comunicated Marshal that "Keysanger is back".
 * At 01:07, 20 October 2013 Marshal says "yes, he seems to be back". He knew very well that he shouldn't intervene in the issue: I am currently unable to participate in the matter
 * at 14:49, 20 October 2013 (11 hours later) he couldn't help and posted to ANI: to notify strange editing. He know who I am and what I am doing, that it is not vandalism (look at my record in WP) but he wrote strange editing
 * at 12:32, 21 October 2013 he posted directly to the talk page of the probably most controversial page of the Latin America history page asking for provide evidence, (what he self never did)
 * at 12:36, 21 October 2013 (four minutes later) he desesperately look for more atention
 * at 16:25, 21 October 2013 he wrote in ANI: which is a problem of Conflict of Interest and vandalism. @Basalisk, do you see a Conflict of interest or vandalism in my edits?
 * at 19:18, 21 October 2013 he tried to induce User:Darkness Shines to commit WP:PROXYING
 * at 14:27, 22 October 2013 Darkness Shines asks Marshal EMail me the full quotes please in order to represent him in the talk page.

Such kind of cliquism is very hurtful for Wikipedia, I know that we can't impede it, but I never see it in such a shamelessness and, most notably, organized by an editor who has already a topic ban in this area. I don't know what it comes, a Facebook appeal to attack the article (Marshal statrted it for the article "Chilena" or "Bicicly kick"), a group of "naysayer" that obstructs any progress of the article, a serie of claims against me in the ANI. We don't know. But I expect resolute action from the community.

It's high time to impede major damages to wikipedia. I think you can do it. --Best regards, KS (wat?) 17:45, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Do not accuse me of proxy editing again pal. Asking an editor for a translation is not even remotely proxy editing. Darkness Shines (talk) 13:33, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
 * The unfounded personal attacks he is making against me are also concerning. I'm overall surprised by the nerve "KS" has to make these displays here and at AN/I (as if administrators were blind incompetents). My notification at AN/I and statement in the article's talk page all concern the blatant displays of vandalism this one user has done upon the article (and nothing more). Regards.-- MarshalN20 | T al k 20:18, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi Basaslisk,

I brought the case of Darkness Shines's activities to Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents. --Best regards, KS (wat?) 10:09, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

RA
Hi, I saw that you'd been helping at WikiProject Requested Articles, and I wondered if you had seen the proposal to make the process slicker here. Thanks, Mat  ty. 007 12:37, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

unblocked
I have removed your block of User:Lgcsmasamiya, for reason given at the discussion on AN/I.  DGG ( talk ) 02:20, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
 * As I also said there, I may have been wrong.  DGG ( talk ) 02:32, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Kevin-Prince Boateng
Do you think the various IPs constantly editing at Kevin-Prince Boateng could be socks of the blocked ? The incessant Ghanaian nationalism suggests to me it could be. Cheers, Mattythewhite (talk) 21:09, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah of course it is, there's no doubt about that. If I weren't so involved with that guy in particular (you should see my RfA) I'd be blocking on sight. Basa lisk  inspect damage⁄berate 22:47, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clifford Aboagye
FYI, I've also been involved with MarkMysoe, both when he was editing under that account, and also his socks. The AFD close was fine - now I look into it more, it was indeed a blatant sock. Either way, it was a non-notable individual and consensus was heading to 'delete' anyway. You've simply got rid of some of the bureaucracy. GiantSnowman 18:26, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Your comments at RFA
I just wanted to let you know I responded to your comments at RFA and I was not offended in the least about your comments and I appreciate that you seemed to want me to know that. You are right about though, with all the abusive admins on this site, it is pretty disheartening when they say I can't have access to the tools just to help out with some of the backlogs in areas where people generally agree I have the technical competence to do. With that said, I truly do not want them or need them anymore because I have lost my passion for the project after years and years of abuse by admins who should have had the tools removed long ago. I truly find it a shame not only that I feel that way at this point but also because that feeling is epidemic in this site and no one cares or has the desire to recognize it or fix it other than a few of us who have left. I have found Wikia to be a much more welcoming and friendly site and have been editing there (several of the sites have given me access to the tools BTW). So I intend to help the sites that want the help. Anyway, Merry Christmas and happy holidays. Kumioko (talk) 01:40, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I replied to your comments but I wanted to followup with if you think I am doing such a bad job then you should do it and just block me. I doubt anyone is going to care and you'll probably get a lot of points from a lot of people who want to see me gone. To be honest with all my attempts to get RFA reformed and to make admins accountable for their actions I am surprised that I haven't been sent to arbcom or blocked already. Kumioko (talk) 17:44, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
 * You read me wrong . I've got nothing against you, I just wish you could get back to work, and lay to rest this crusade you're on. Everyone wants to see RfA (myself included), but for as long as it looks like you're just making this argument out of bitterness at the outcome of your own RfAs you're not going to have a substantial voice in this debate. This is one of those arguments you need to leave to win. Basa lisk  inspect damage⁄berate 17:49, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Believe it or not I think your right. RFA has been in the headlines continuously for the whole year and I think that's the reason we broke the declining spiral of the yearly RFA successes. I also think your right that the perception is its because I didn't get access to the tools, which is incorrect but arguable and the fact that I am a nonadmin fighting to change an admin process doesn't help. I have no credibility. Eventhough everyone knows the process is broken, few want to fix it and I beleive most of those who say they do actually don't and generally shoot down any ideas to change it. This site is inching closer to death because of the communities and the WMF's gross mismanagement of things like the RFA process, Arbcom and recruiting and keeping new users. And no one does anything to change it. Anyway, I'm done, there's little point in fighting a lost cause anymore. Kumioko (talk) 18:02, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

deletion of survivors of symphysiotomy
Dear Basalick, you recently deleted the Survivors of Symphysiotomy page. Your reason is as follows an "Article about a company, corporation or organization, which does not indicate the importance or significance of the subject" The page, which was in the process of being created was tied to the page on symphysiotomy, which is a significant issue in Ireland and has been the subject of hundreds of newspaper articles. The page clearly set out that SoS is membership and has inextricably tied to a justice campaign over the past 10 years. The practise of symphysiotomy in Ireland is the greatest health scandal in western Europe. For some people, that's important. I had provided a lengthy submission, which I doubt you took the time to read. What is the point in providing a space to contest decision if submissions are not considered and pages are deleted willy-nilly?
 * Hi there. I'm not passing any judgement on the group's cause, motives or objectives. I deleted the page because it did not appear to satisfy Wikipedia's requirements for notability and qualified for a criterion for speedy deletion. A group does not automatically gain notability simply because it is interested in a "significant issue". You have just assumed that I did not read any of your statement, but if you make submissions like that then you have to entertain the possibility that people will read it and not agree. Regards Basa lisk  inspect damage⁄berate 09:26, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Deletion review for QMobile
An editor has asked for a deletion review of QMobile. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. UBS talk  21:59, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Deutschman Design
Hi, I created the Deutschman Design wiki page and you deleted it because of copyright issues. As a newbie, I wasn't sure how to get all the references in correctly. Would you be able to give me back my original article so that I can continue working on it? I'd hate to have to start over again. Also, do I have to cite the website each time I am referring to it or does once suffice? Thank you. Ina 14:27, 13 January 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Inahillebrand (talk • contribs)
 * I have restored the page minus the copyright violations. You need to read WP:COPYVIO before doing any more work on it. As for the referencing - you don't cite the website when you're "referring to it" - you cite the claims you make in the article. See WP:V. Basa lisk  inspect damage⁄berate 18:34, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Me Me Me (film)
Just searched for this and found you'd deleted it. I know online movies are a fairly new phenomenon and only 20,000 views on You Tube seems trivial but many of my friends love this film and have late night group sessions watching it. Is it simply appealing to a too young audience for wikipedia? Tom — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.154.30.194 (talk) 08:09, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi Tom. Whether or not subjects warrant having an article on Wikipedia is governed by our rules on notability. Unfortunately the number of fans or demographics thereof have little impact on this. Me Me Me does not seem to satisfy those requirements, so it was deleted. Regards Basa lisk  inspect damage⁄berate 08:16, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

YGM
Sensitive subject. Wee Curry Monster talk 16:42, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion query
You deleted a page created earlier title "We're Coming" without giving an explanation why.., — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kayfigo (talk • contribs) 07:03, 15 February 2014 (UTC) You deleted a page created earlier title "SKYYE" but I already have contest this that I am providing a complete writeup later.., — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aznor (talk • contribs) 07:03, 15 February 2014 (UTC)   — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aznorazizul (talk • contribs)
 * Hi there. I deleted the article because it meets one of Wikipedia's criteria for speedy deletion. Specifically, the subject of the article (the song) is not notable, and the artist who wrote it does not have a Wikipedia article. It therefore qualifies under criteria A9. Hope this helps. Regards Basa lisk  inspect damage⁄berate 09:34, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Medical Doctor
Might want to see where Medical Doctor is redirected to. Just saying. I agree that they're not synonymous, but the United States has spots for intended for M.D.s (Doctor of Medicine), but these spots may also be obtained by physicians with an international equivalent degree such as the Bachelor of Medicine/Bachelor of Surgery degrees (MBBS/MBChB). The term medical doctor is frequently misused as only for M.D.s and is used in contrast to MBBS, MBChB, or DO, but medical doctor is nothing more than a broad term for physician. TylerDurden8823 (talk) 22:44, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry, that was shoddy. I agree (I think) - I was hoping to link to a page on physicians in general rather than restricting the sentence to MDs only. Basa lisk  inspect damage⁄berate 22:53, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Trying a rewrite. Let me know what you think. We can figure out a compromise if my revision to make the sentence clearer is unclear or inadvertently changes the meaning. TylerDurden8823 (talk) 23:03, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Query
Basalisk, I'm curious to pick your brain ... According to your view, which of these are personal attacks and violate NPA?:


 * 1) "You're a liar."
 * 2) "I request you be productive and truthful here or elsewise go elsewhere."
 * 3) "You're a fucking idiot."
 * 4) "Stop being a fucking idiot."
 * 5) "Stop behaving like a fucking idiot."

(Thanks.) Ihardlythinkso (talk) 21:27, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
 * 1, 3, 4 and 5. Basa lisk  inspect damage⁄berate 23:38, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Well that's very interesting (because, I know there are other admins who would disagree with you and 4 and 5 on the basis "those are descriptions of behavior". And if I requested that *you* be truthful or stop posting to my attention, duh, you might feel different about it. (What if I appended to each & every exchange I would ever have with you?: "Basalisk, I'm requesting that you be truthful or else go elsewhere." -- how would you like that?) Here are a couple more:


 * 1) "Your Talk page is filled with lies."
 * 2) "Your comments were filled with grave dancing [on a suidice victim]."

Ihardlythinkso (talk) 00:04, 23 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Nothing that you just said is actually true. Just because there are editors (myself included) who entertain a distinction between statements that are a description of behaviour and statements which are attacks on character does not mean that you "know admins" who think that those specific statements (4 and 5) are not personal attacks. I consider them violations of NPA because they are written solely to insult, they don't describe actions at all. "Your talk page is filled with lies" is obviously not a personal attack. "Your comments were filled with grave dancing"="you were grave dancing" which is a description of behaviour and so obviously not a personal attack (whatever else it may be). As for how I'd feel if you were to say those things to me, we've had this discussion before, and my response hasn't changed - I literally couldn't care less what people on Wikipedia say about me. If you give a toss what people on the Internet think of you then you need to grow thicker skin. The people in the real world don't give a shit about your feelings. Basa lisk  inspect damage⁄berate 00:09, 23 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Nothing I just said is actually true? Huh? I've seen several discussions where editors (I think admins too) have asserted a PA exists only when the insult under consideration is on the editor not behavior of the editor.
 * How can you say a statement like "Stop being/behaving like an idiot" is "not describing actions"? (The presupposition obviously is that some exchange preceded the remark, and the commenting editor was refering to comments by the other editor.)
 * And how is "Your Talk page is filled with lies" "obviously" not a personal attack?! (Doesn't it imply without a doubt the Talk page owner has been lying on it?)
 * And claiming someone is gravedancing (on a RL suicide victim) is "obviously" not a personal attack? (Corbett said if that wasn't a personal attack then nothing is. Do you think he was so very wrong about it?!)
 * Last, if you are saying (are you?) that WP editors s/n give any care to what other editors say about them, and you think they should grow thicker skin, then whatever in the world are CIV and NPA about (why do they exist)?!
 * Ihardlythinkso (talk) 00:22, 23 February 2014 (UTC)


 * You may have had discussions, but I doubt there have been any times when someone has specifically made the statement you've quoted in either 4 or 5 above and an admin has specifically said it is not a personal attack. That has never happened, and so you're merely speculating on what some hypothetical people may say if that were to happen. So, like I said, your assertion is not true, because you cannot demonstrate that it is. In terms of talk page lies, even if the statement that you quoted did directly imply that the "owner" of the talk page had been doing the lying (which it doesn't) there's still nothing wrong with accusing an editor of lying. That is not a personal attack. I don't care what EC thinks of personal attacks. I have a great respect for his ability as a writer but frankly his opinions on what constitutes appropriate communication with the people around him are worthless. Finally, I think if some Wikipedia editors got out of their parents houses every now and then, faced the real world and learned to act like adults then we wouldn't have so many people losing their shit about being called a liar or a gravedancer or stupid or whatever, and then we wouldn't have to argue about the utility of NPA or CIV either. This is all I have to say on the matter. This has basically stemmed from me asking you not to make personal attacks. I did so because I don't want you to feel, if you were to carry on making personal attacks and get into trouble for it, that no one had tried to warn you. I've done that and I have nothing else to say. Good to chat. Basa lisk  inspect damage⁄berate 00:39, 23 February 2014 (UTC)


 * That's a bit confusing ... you classified "You're a liar" as a PA, and also saying there's still nothing wrong with accusing an editor of lying. That is not a personal attack.!? (Can you explain how those are significantly different?)


 * Here are a couple more (PA or not?):
 * "Show some common decency."
 * "Good luck integrating with humanity someday."
 * Ihardlythinkso (talk) 00:57, 23 February 2014 (UTC)


 * The query examples were mostly paraphrases of real examples I've seen. Here's a real example for you: [to User:HelenOnline, who had just complained of being personally attacked] "I didn't call you an asshole, I asked you not to be an asshole [...] — kwami (talk) 08:08, 15 January 2014 (UTC)" Ihardlythinkso (talk) 01:09, 23 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Thank you for thinking about me, Basalisk. (I did so because I don't want you to feel, if you were to carry on making personal attacks and get into trouble for it, that no one had tried to warn you.) As mentioned I've already walked away from even potential dialogue w/ that user any more, and explained why. Also, you know, I'm not stupid, I'm aware that my comment to his attention was PA when I made it -- my feeling that it was ethically justified because of his shitty comments to me. (Once an editor accused me of name-calling Elen of Roads and Dennis Brown "asshats" and "idiots" when I never did any such thing. When I complained to an admin those false accusations crossed an ethical line, he replied that under WP they were simple incivilities nothing more. That showed me how inept CIV was early on. Do I get to say that I have "secret information" that Kevin Gorman raped his daughter and set fire to his mother?! I highly doubt it. But what is the WP mechanism for identifying false accusations, weighing their maliciousness, and enforcing CIV accordingly? That kind of evaluation process does not exist as far as I'm aware, on the WP. Everything is left up to individual admin interpretation and mood. Thus uneven enforcement. Thus resentment from those at the other end of uneven enforcement. Like Eric.) Ihardlythinkso (talk) 01:22, 23 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Oh! (I would have had no problem if someone accused me of a name-call I did make. It was the fabrication/false accusation of those name-calls that I resented. Guess how the ANI cesspool handled my complaint? By claiming I was "BOOMERANGED" because I once templated that Jasper Deng should stop being a WP:DICK, and that he was being "insufferable". The leading admin in that ANI justified the "BOOMERANG" evaluation by claiming that those things said to Deng were calling him "horrible names".) I'm not sure the logic in that, since I wasn't complaining about someone name-calling me. That is why I call ANI a cesspool of irresponsibility, and will never open a thread there under any circumstance. Ihardlythinkso (talk) 01:30, 23 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Well if we're arguing semantics, calling someone a liar is an attack on their character, implying that they habitually lie. Pointing out that someone has said something that isn't true isn't a PA. I just have one more thing to clarify - it doesn't matter if you think PAs are "ethically justified". You're not allowed to make them. You're not the guy who gets to decide what is and is not acceptable - the rules apply to everyone. Basa lisk  inspect damage⁄berate 10:27, 23 February 2014 (UTC)


 * You didn't rate the last two examples (PA or not?; BTW, both are real examples from the mouths of admins). Accusing someone of not being truthful, without willingness to back it up, instead deleting threads and kicking off one's Talk, is indistinguishable from a smear. (Same as accusing someone of harassment, without backing it up.) "The rules apply to everyone." That is not correct, and you know it. (What you mean is, they should. In practice, they don't. [E.g. Eric called Kevin a "fucking idiot", and nothing happened. So please explain how "rules apply to everyone". Kevin maliciously and baselessly accused Eric of gravedancing a suicide victim. And nothing happened. There are thousands more similar examples.] That's self-evident. Numerous editors know it. It's a big issue on the WP -- uneven enforcement. In fact some of the most guilty for making PAs are admins. And none have ever been sanctioned for it. Uneven enforcement is seen as selective enforcement. Selective enforcement can be unfair since it is often a cover to carry out grudges. And you know that happens; if you don't, I certainly do. And that is abusive. So editors end up with not much respect for the uneven and selective and abusive admin CIV enforcement "system". This was all in place long before I signed up to be editor here. But it wasn't immediately evident to me as newbie, but I have at some point learned.) Why do you pick on me for warning, but not Eric? (Because he's a "big guy", and I'm a "little guy"? Picking on the little guys while avoiding the big guys is a classic method that bullies use. Or don't you think so!?) Ihardlythinkso (talk) 10:49, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I haven't got anything to say. We're just going round in circles. I return to my original message - don't make personal attacks. You're not allowed to behave that way on Wikipedia. That's not my rule, it's Wikipedia's rule. If you carry on, you may be blocked. I don't have anything else to say about the semantics of comments others have made, it's got no bearing on what you have said. If you've got issues with things people have said to you I suggest you take it up with them. Regards Basa lisk  inspect damage⁄berate 13:30, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

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SweetBabyGirl06 is back
Hey, I just thought I'd give you a heads-up that SweetBabyGirl06 is back. You blocked the range of dynamic IPs this editor was using, but because other administrators were justifiably concerned about the collateral damage of blocking a whole IP range, you thoughtfully unblocked it. Unfortunately, this has had the predictable result that those IPs are once again being used for subtle vandalism. I've filed a case here, but I thought I'd bring it to your attention directly. -- GentlemanGhost  (converse)  00:15, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Did you notice
Hi User:Basalisk: While updating the wikipage for "Russia" for the Olympics results, I noticed that one of the supporting pages for "2014 Ladies Olympics figure skating" was page protected due to disruptive editing from User:Heri. On looking closer to send a disruptive editing message to that User:Heri, I then noticed that you had already put that user on notice/probation and offered that user an unblock in good faith. After that previously blocked User:Heri took one day off after your notice, apparently that user returned with another large block of disruptive edits, which caused another User:Kirin several lost hours of edit time to at least start to clean-up the disruptive edits at least half way. Other users have also asked for help against User:Heri. Since you have already put that user on "probation" status, I was not sure what to do next and thought to check with you if you did notice that the disruptive editing started all over again after User:Heri taking one day off following your notification. Below is posted one of the sequences of disruptive edits from After your notice to that user for your review. Could you glance at this.

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FelixRosch (talk) 15:40, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Peaches Geldof
Hi, I notice you reverted my edits made to the above. The additional information is sourced and I am not sure How BLP can apply to the removal of UK or for that matter to the addition of a married name. I have not read cover to cover os to speak BLP but I cannot see how this information can be in violation of biographies of a living person as she is deceased and the information added has a verifiable source. I look forward to hearing your response. All the best Sport and politics (talk) 16:49, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I've linked to the relevant guidance on your talk page. BLP applies because the subject was recently a living person. Any information contained in the article is therefore subject to the standards outlined at WP:BLP. Even if BLP did not apply, the sources you used weren't reliable - using totallyjewish.com to verify that she practices Judaism is completely inappropriate. The other two sources you've used are also partisan and only contain quotes from her husband, who is himself Jewish and arguably biased. Consider this a warning - if you add the information a third time, I will block you. Basa lisk  inspect damage⁄berate 17:05, 8 April 2014 (UTC)


 * The information regarding her religion has four sources and three of the sources contain the phrase "Peaches was Jewish" and the title of one is "Peaches Geldof was exploring Jewish roots, bereaved husband says" two of the sources are dated today and two of the sources are dated 2012. I am not entirely sure how this information could be more verified. I also resent our heavy-handedness in immediately threatening to block when there appears to be little reading of the added informations sources and a vague pointing in the direction of "go read this now clear off". I may be wrong but that is the impression you are giving off. The information has multiple reliable verifiable sources and therefor qualifies for inclusion as it is truthful and well sourced. If you can point out how this fails to meet the standards for inclusion please let me know otherwise this is a little bit of ownership behaviour being exhibited by blocking information which qualifies to be added without good reason. Sport and politics (talk) 17:17, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

For convenience purposes i have provided the four website sources:    

Sport and politics (talk) 17:21, 8 April 2014 (UTC)


 * The sources you've included all quote her Jewish husband as claiming she is Jewish. This is not the same as quoting her saying she is Jewish; he is biased. None of the sources you've used are neutral or reliable. In addition, the sources all quote her husband as saying she is an ethnic Jew, whilst you are trying to add her reliigion as Jewish. WP:V does not mean "find a source containing the words you want and then write whatever you feel like". These are clear BLP violations, do not re-add the information. Basa lisk  inspect damage⁄berate 17:22, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

ChatApp AfD closure
Hello! It seems that you have stated wrong CSD criterion in closure of Articles for deletion/ChatApp: it was deleted per G11, not G8. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 18:02, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. Trying to do too many things at once. Basa lisk  inspect damage⁄berate 23:04, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

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Medical Translation Newsletter
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Medical Translation Newsletter

Issue 1, June/July 2014 by CFCF, Doc James

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This is the first of a series of newsletters for Wikiproject Medicine's Translation Task Force. Our goal is to make all the medical knowledge on Wikipedia available to the world, in the language of your choice. note: you will not receive future editions of this newsletter unless you *sign up*; you received this version because you identify as a member of WikiProject Medicine

Spotlight - Simplified article translation

Wikiproject Medicine started translating simplified articles in February 2014. We now have 45 simplified articles ready for translation, of which the first on African trypanosomiasis or sleeping sickness has been translated into 46 out of ~100 languages. This list does not include the 33 additional articles that are available in both full and simple versions.

Our goal is to eventually translate 1,000 simplified articles. This includes:
 * WHO's list of Essential Medicines
 * Neglected tropical diseases
 * Key diseases for medical subspecialties like: oncology, emergency medicine (list), anatomy, internal medicine, surgery, etc.

We are looking for subject area leads to both create articles and recruit further editors. We need people with basic medical knowledge who are willing to help out. This includes to write, translate and especially integrate medical articles.

What's happening?

I've () taken on the role of community organizer for this project, and will be working with this until December. The goals and timeline can be found here, and are focused on getting the project on a firm footing and to enable me to work near full-time over the summer, and part-time during the rest of the year. This means I will be available for questions and ideas, and you can best reach me by mail or on my talk page.
 * IEG grant

For those going to London in a month's time (or those already nearby) there will be at least one event for all medical editors, on Thursday August 7th. See the event page, which also summarizes medicine-related presentations in the main conference. Please pass the word on to your local medical editors.
 * Wikimania 2014

There has previously been some resistance against translation into certain languages with strong Wikipedia presence, such as Dutch, Polish, and Swedish. What was found is that thre is hardly any negative opinion about the the project itself; and any such critique has focused on the ways that articles have being integrated. For an article to be usefully translated into a target-Wiki it needs to be properly Wiki-linked, carry proper citations and use the formatting of the chosen target language as well as being properly proof-read. Certain large Wikis such as the Polish and Dutch Wikis have strong traditions of medical content, with their own editorial system, own templates and different ideas about what constitutes a good medical article. For example, there are not MEDRS (Polish,German,Romanian,Persian) guidelines present on other Wikis, and some Wikis have a stronger background of country-specific content.
 * Integration progress


 * Swedish Translation into Swedish has been difficult in part because of the amount of free, high quality sources out there already: patient info, for professionals. The same can be said for English, but has really given us all the more reason to try and create an unbiased and free encyclopedia of medical content. We want Wikipedia to act as an alternative to commercial sources, and preferably a really good one at that. Through extensive collaborative work and by respecting links and Sweden specific content the last unintegrated Swedish translation went live in May.
 * Dutch Dutch translation carries with it special difficulties, in part due to the premises in which the Dutch Wikipedia is built upon. There is great respect for what previous editors have created, and deleting or replacing old content can be frowned upon. In spite of this there are success stories: Anafylaxie.
 * Polish Translation and integration into Polish also comes with its own unique set of challenges. The Polish Wikipedia has long been independent and works very hard to create high quality contentfor Polish audience. Previous translation trouble has lead to use of unique templates with unique formatting, not least among citations. Add to this that the Polish Wikipedia does not allow template redirects and a large body of work is required for each article. (This is somewhat alleviated by a commissioned Template bot - to be released). - List of articles for integration
 * Arabic The Arabic Wikipedia community has been informed of the efforts to integrate content through both the general talk-page as well as through one of the major Arabic Wikipedia facebook-groups: مجتمع ويكيبيديا العربي, something that has been heralded with great enthusiasm.

Integration is the next step after any translation. Despite this it is by no means trivial, and it comes with its own hardships and challenges. Previously each new integrator has needed to dive into the fray with little help from previous integrations. Therefore we are creating guides for specific Wikis that make integration simple and straightforward, with guides for specific languages, and for integrating on small Wikis.
 * Integration guides

Instructions on how to integrate an article may be found here

News in short


 * To come
 * Medical editor census - Medical editors on different Wikis have been without proper means of communication. A preliminary list of projects is available here.
 * Proofreading drives


 * Further reading
 * Translators Without Borders
 * Healthcare information for all by 2015, a global campaign

A barnstar for you!

 * This result did make me rather happy. Good work to all involved. Basa lisk  inspect damage⁄berate 07:26, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Javier Manquillo
Hi. Thanks for the message. Strutway already removed the content to wait for an official source. But the IP users are constantly "moving" him to Liverpool, I was only reverting their edits until today, when I saw an article in Marca saying that he will be loaned out.

But, as Strutway asked, I'll wait for an official source. Cheers, MYS  77  ✉ 18:50, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Medical Translation Newsletter Aug./Sept. 2014
Medical Translation Newsletter

Issue 2, Aug./Sept. 2014 by CFCF sign up for monthly delivery 

Feature – Ebola articles
During August we have translated Disease and it is now live in more than 60 different languages! To help us focus on African languages Rubric has donated a large number of articles in languages we haven't previously reached–so a shout out them, and Ian Henderson from Rubric who's joined us here at Wikipedia. We're very happy for our continued collaboration with both Rubric and Translators without Borders!
 * Just some of our over 60 translations:


 * Xhosa
 * Northern Sotho
 * Zulu
 * Tsonga
 * Venda
 * Hausa
 * Igbo
 * Yoruba
 * Kinyarwanda
 * Swahili
 * Tigrinya

At Wikimania there were so many enthusiastic people jumping at the chance to help out the Medical Translation Project, but unfortunately not all of them knew how to get started. That is why we've been spending considerable time writing and improving guides! They are finally live, and you can find them at our home-page! We're proud to announce a new sign up page at WP:MTSIGNUP! The old page was getting cluttered and didn't allow you to speficy a role. The new page should be easier to sign up to, and easier to navigate so that we can reach you when you're needed! Translations are of both full articles and shorter articles continues. The process where short articles are chosen for translation hasn't been fully transparent. In the coming months we hope to have a first guide, so that anyone who writes medical or health articles knows how to get their articles to a standard where they can be translated! That's why we're currently working on medical good lede criteria! The idea is to have a similar peer review process to good article nominations, but only for ledes. -- CFCF  🍌 (email) 13:09, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
 * New roles and guides!
 * New sign up page!
 * Style guides for translations
 * Some more stats
 * In July, 18 full article translations went live ( WP:RTT ), and an additional 6 simplified versions went live ( WP:RTTS )!
 * We have a number of new lead integrators into Dutch, Polish, Arabic and Bulgarian, with more to come in smaller languages! ( Find them here old sign up page )
 * We were mentioned in a Global Voices Online report by Subhashish Panigrahi at Doctors and translators are working together to bridge Wikipedia's medical language gap
 * New medical professionals have started, dedicated to working in Odiya and Kinyarwanda!
 * Further reading
 * Translators Without Borders
 * Healthcare information for all by 2015, a global campaign

New sign-up page for the Medical Translation Project
Hey!

This is a friendly reminder that the sign-up page at the Medical Translation Project (previously Translation Task force) has been updated. This means everyone has to sign up again. Using the new page it will be easier for us to get into contact with you when there is work available. Please check out our progress pages now! There might be work there already for you.

We are also very proud to introduce new roles and guides which allows people to help who don't have medical knowledge too!
 * Here are ways you can help!
 * Community organization
 * We need involved Wikipedians to engage the community on the different Wikipedias, and to spread the word!


 * Assessing content
 * We need language knowledgeable Wikipedians (or not yet Wikipedians) who indicate on our progress tables which articles should and should not be translated!


 * Translating
 * We are always on the look-out for dedicated translators to work with our content, especially in smaller languages!


 * Integration
 * Translated articles need to be integrated into local Wikipedias. This process is done manually, and needs to take merge or replace older articles.


 * Template installation
 * For translations to be more useful templates and modules should be installed. We need people with the technical know-how who can help out!


 * Programming
 * Several of our processes are in need of simplification and many could occur automatically with bots.

Please use the sign up page, and thank you guys for all the work you've been doing. The translation project wouldn't be possible without you!

-- CFCF  🍌 (email) 13:09, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Apparently you're a "confirmed sock" of MarkMysoe...
If you can, please take a detour towards Sockpuppet investigations/MarkMysoe, thanks. ☺ ·  Salvidrim!   ·  &#9993;  20:18, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

An accident, and an apology
I'm very sorry Basalisk, I accidentally pasted "Basalisk" instead of "Bantekas" and I have struck the comment. Blackguard 20:37, 13 November 2014 (UTC)