User talk:Eldalieva

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Ehecatl and disambiguation
Hi Eldalieva. Please note that I have again reversed your copy and paste move of the Ehecatl article's contents into an article under a different title, and the redirecting of Ehecatl to Ehecatl (disambiguation).

This is for several reasons. Firstly, since wikipedia's licensing conditions require that a continuity of previous editors' contributions is maintained, whenever a need to move article contents to a different one arises, the move function is preferred. This preserves the article's edit history and maintain compliance with the licensing conditions. Please also see requested moves for further information.

Secondly, in this case where there is one established 'primary' meaning, and one other alternative meaning, then the preferred solution to disambiguate between the two meanings is to have a hatnote at the main article. This provides the pointer to the other article for those who may be looking for it. I maintain that the primary meaning of 'Ehecatl' here on wikipedia is the Mesoamerican deity figure, something which can be established by observing that all of the inbound links to Ehecatl intend this meaning.

Thirdly, it does not make sense to redirect the "base" term Ehecatl to a page named Ehecatl (disambiguation). If a disambiguation page is required, then there are two ways to implement. The first one applies when there is no established primary meaning for the name, in which case the article with that name itself becomes the disambiguation page (without 'disambiguation' in parentheses). The second applies if there is (as is the case here) a primary meaning for the name, in which case the page with that name retains its use as the article. The list of alternative disambiguous meanings is placed on a separate Article name (disambiguation) disambig page, and linked to from the main article via a hatnote. This second circumstance is the one which applies here, and it is now set up that way. Please do not change without due cause.

Please also refer to the relevant guidelines WP:DAB and WP:MOSDAB.

I hope this explains, if anything unclear then pls let me know. Regards, --cjllw ʘ  TALK 01:37, 12 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, thanks for everything WRIGHT, I really appreciate the improvements that you've made to the "Ehecatl (airplane)" page. Sorry about the changes, I just didn't know, I'm still new. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eldalieva (talk • contribs) 12 September 2007

That's quite alright, Eldalieva- it can be a steep learning curve, but there's nothing to worry about. For a first-time article, your creation of Ehécatl (airplane) is very well done. Contributions like that are most welcome, and I hope that you find editing around here rewarding and are able to continue on in that vein. All the best, and cheers --cjllw ʘ  TALK 00:24, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Image licensing
Hi Eldalieva. One more thing- the photos of the Ehecatl plane that appear in the article, and which you have uploaded to Commons (such as Image:Ehecatl1.jpg) are missing the licensing information and source. Unless the licensing conditions are provided at the images' pages on Commons, they will most likely be deleted. To prevent this from happening, you will need to edit the image pages on Commons and indicate what the correct license and source should be. Regards, --cjllw ʘ  TALK 06:57, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the heads up, WRIGHT. The images were provided by Hydra Technologies itself. I live here in México, and I'm passionate about airplanes, so when I found that an unmanned aircraft was produced here, I asked the company if I could have some pictures and the aircraft's specifications. So the license is untainted. The problem is that I have no idea of how to declare the source of the pictures. It would be of great help if you could help me out. Thanks again and cheers from down south!

Eldalieva 21:57, 13 September 2007 (UTC)Eldalieva


 * OK, if the photos came from the company itself, it would be best to follow the process for requesting and documenting permissions to use images, which you will find explained at this COPYREQ page. Essentially, what you need to do is gain the company's permission via email response in one of the standard formats on that page (see also some example letters here). This will make it clear that the images are released under an appropriate licensing condition, presuming that the company is the copyright holder of these images. Once you have that response, follow the instructions at this section, in particular:
 * "For images, they should be uploaded to Commons before the permission e-mails are sent in to OTRS. The permission E-mail should then be sent to "permissions-commons AT wikimedia DOT org", also an OTRS address. Be sure to include the URL of the image on Commons."
 * Then someone will process it and add the appropriate license to the image pages on Commons, and the images will be ok. In the meantime, it might be an idea to mention on the talk pages of those images you uploaded to commons that you are in the process of filing the OTRS permissions.


 * I know it may seem a little bureaucratic, but we do need to be clear on the copyright status of materials here, and since wikipedia content can also be re-used by others under the specific terms of the GFDL license, the copyright-holder needs to understand and confirm they are OK with these conditions. Regards, --cjllw  ʘ  TALK 01:02, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, WRIGHT. I will follow instructions and make the pics stick. I really appreciate it, I now wanna make more pages. Lets see if there are some obscure-books' pages unmade... Cheers from México.

Eldalieva 22:41, 14 September 2007 (UTC)Eldalieva

Hey Wright, how's it going. I've sended an e-mail to permissions-commonsATwikimediaDOTorg, with the forwarded mail that the contect at Hydra Technologies send me with the permission form. But still, no response from anyone, and the images aren't cleared yet, so I'm afraid that they will remove them tomorrow. What should I do? Cheers from Mexico...

Eldalieva 04:40, 17 September 2007 (UTC)Eldalieva


 * Hi Eldalieva. If I'm reading you correctly, you have sent on the email permissions from Hydra Technologies to the Commons OTRS folks, but as yet have not received a reply or confirmation. Not to worry, the OTRS desk may take a few more days to deal with it, as they are typically working their way through a queue of similar requests.
 * I have added the template to the image pages at Commons, which should alert any Commons administrator coming by that the formal permissions process is in progress, so hopefully they'll hold of deleting for a while yet.
 * If you want to follow up with someone who has OTRS access to enquire about the status of the permissions processing, you could try to contact one of the folks listed here.
 * If for some reason the imgs do get deleted, despite the 'in progress' notification now on the img pages, they can be restored by a Commons administrator upon receipt of the permissions OK from the OTRS desk. Regards, --cjllw ʘ  TALK 00:48, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, WRIGHT, specially for the edits in the image's pages. I'll keep waiting and see what happens. Really appreciated, cheers from México.

Followup to img deletions on Commons
Hi Eldalieva, apologies for the delay in getting back to you. Unfortunately, it seems the note saying OTRS confirmation was pending I left on those images' pages on Commons may have been overlooked, which I guess can easily happen as admins go through a listing of deletion candidates, in good faith. Not to worry, the images can be undeleted.

The images on Commons were processed / deleted by Commons:User:Majorly, who is also active here on en.wiki as User:Majorly. This is the extract from the Commons deletion log:

20:20, September 27, 2007 Majorly (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Ehecatis45.jpg" ‎ (In category Unknown as of 10 September 2007; no permission) 20:20, September 27, 2007 Majorly (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Ehecatls44.jpg" ‎ (In category Unknown as of 10 September 2007; no permission) 20:20, September 27, 2007 Majorly (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Ehecatls43.jpg" ‎ (In category Unknown as of 10 September 2007; no permission) 20:20, September 27, 2007 Majorly (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Ehecatl1.jpg" ‎ (In category Unknown as of 10 September 2007; no permission) 20:20, September 27, 2007 Majorly (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Ehecatls42.jpg" ‎ (In category Unknown as of 10 September 2007; no permission) 20:20, September 27, 2007 Majorly (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Ehecat1.jpg" ‎ (In category Unknown as of 10 September 2007; no permission) To have these re-examined, it would probably be best to first find out the status of the OTRS permissions requests that you filed. To do this, I suggest that you contact one of the folks who is both an Administrator on Commons, and who has access to the OTRS system. If you provide them with the details of your email request(s) to OTRS (such as the date/time and email header), they should be able to look it up for you and see if there's any hold-up, or perhaps to help out and expedite the permissions assessment.

You can find a list of some people on Commons with OTRS access who may be able to help out here. Looking through that list, one name I recognise is Commons:User:Drini, who is also active here on en.wiki as User:Drini and who I know hails from Mexico himself and a native Spanish speaker to boot. So I would suggest that you leave a note on his user talkpage (either at Commons or here on en.wiki) explaining the situation and request his assistance to look up the status of the OTRS request. If you have any exchanges with the OTRS permissions desk on record that would be helpful, you can also point him back to the info on your talkpage here which would assist in identifying the situation. If for some reason he's busy or unable to respond, you can try contacting one of the others on the list, also the commons admin Majorly (though it doesn't seem they have OTRS access). Unfortunately, I'm neither an admin on Commons nor someone with OTRS access. Hope this helps, let me know if anything else crops up. Regards, --cjllw ʘ  TALK 01:17, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a lot WRIGHT, you don't know how much I appreciate your help. I will follow instructions and see what happens, cheers and thanks a lot.

Eldalieva 21:59, 3 October 2007 (UTC)Eldalieva


 * Ya estoy investigando lo que sucedió. Cuando tenga algo te dejo aquí la respuesta. -- drini [meta:][commons:] 00:44, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Como dice deskana, no aparece ningún correo. He buscado correos que contengan la palabra "Hydra" y correos que contengan la palabra "Ehecatl" y ninguno apareció. Si quieres, puedes enviarme más detalles de forma privada por este medio -- drini [meta:][commons:] 00:50, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Re: Help with problems with image licensing
Hi Eldalieva. I'm afraid I couldn't find the ticket you referred to on the OTRS system. I searched for "Hydra" in the message body but didn't seem to get anything relating to what you mentioned. Could you e-mail me the contents of the e-mail that you sent to OTRS so I can attempt to track it? Thanks. --Deskana (talk) 20:05, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Gavilan2.jpg
Thanks for uploading Image:Gavilan2.jpg. The image has been identified as not specifying the copyright status of the image, which is required by Wikipedia's policy on images. If you don't indicate the copyright status of the image on the image's description page, using an appropriate copyright tag, it may be deleted some time in the next seven days. If you have uploaded other images, please verify that you have provided copyright information for them as well.

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This is an automated notice by STBotI. For assistance on the image use policy, see Media copyright questions. NOTE: once you correct this, please remove the tag from the image's page. STBotI (talk) 23:30, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Ehecatl (disambiguation)


The article Ehecatl (disambiguation) has been proposed for deletion&#32;because of the following concern: "Violates WP:ONEOTHER; a hatnote is already in place at Ehecatl, and I'm not turning up anything else that would be worth a DAB entry."

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Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Skarmory  (talk •   contribs)  01:20, 16 June 2024 (UTC)