User talk:Elekhh/Archive 2013

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Rochester Cathedral
Thanks for the reassesment. I'll copy your comments to the article's talk page if you don't mind, it gives pointers to both other editors and myself. I may not do too much more (other than adding a few photos), several senior editors (mainly Australian it appears) seem to regard my style as "fluffy", "twee" or "old-fashioned", so I'll leave it to others to adapt the article to an acceptable mid-Atlantic style! Once again, thanks. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 12:25, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Featured_picture_candidates/Map_of_Lorentz_National_Park
There's some discussion there that could use your input. Cheers! Adam Cuerden (talk) 14:12, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

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Discussion on the AFT5 Request for Comment
Hey - this is to notify you that there is a discussion starting on the Article Feedback RfC talkpage that has ramifications for the RfC itself. Your input is much appreciated :). Thanks! and apologies if I've missed anyone Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 16:38, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Map of the Battle of Jutland
Hi Elekhh. On the FPC could you possibly indicate whether you still (weak) oppose the candidate notwithstanding the changes? Thanks. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 16:30, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Barnstar
Hi Elekhh - thanks for the barnstar! Unexpected and much appreciated. Cheers. Maias (talk) 00:10, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Yet another barnstar for you

 * Yep, that was somewhat random, but very glad you appreciated it. Also very happy to see the coverage and quality of architecture in Indonesia improving!. Thanks. -- ELEKHHT 09:53, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Oscar Niemeyer
Hi. Just want to draw your attention to my suggestion in 'Oscar Niemeyer' about inserting a new section title ("Early Career") after the second paragraph of "Personal life and education" to break up this long section and to correctly title the subsequent information about Niemeyer's early career and professional contacts. Didn't know how to do it correctly. See my comment on Talk. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.17.209.191 (talk) 18:24, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Boston FAR
I have gone through the listed items and have addressed them as best as I could. Can you look at the article to see if more should be done? Thanks. PentawingTalk 06:15, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Could you go through the article to see if anything else needs to be done? The articles now been on FAR for almost a month. Thanks. PentawingTalk 05:07, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Also want to add that the navbars are proliferating again. It seems that several people are bound and determined to create the navbars and insert them into every article listed. Hence, I don't know if there is any point of fighting against it unless there is a Wikipedia-wide discussion concerning their use. PentawingTalk 05:14, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

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Main page: articles for improvement
Have you seen the main page is being adapted to include a short section on "Today's articles for improvement" which also links to a longer list. Maybe you could push for at least one article on architecture to be included every month? --Ipigott (talk) 07:35, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, I was following that, and actually nominated a few articles a while ago: Acropolis of Athens and Mughal architecture were closed as unsuccessful, I guess for insufficient support, while Ancient Roman architecture is in the holding area - but not yet scheduled. Church (building) is scheduled for the 18th Feb, but not sure if main page testing will commence by than. I believe currently each week one of ten articles has to be from the Arts category, but various architecture articles might find their way in through the history or people sections. -- ELEKHHT 00:42, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I was also surprised that there has been so little interest in Acropolis of Athens. You may have noticed I have now added inline references throughout. Maybe the section on the restoration project should be updated? Otherwise I think I'll move on to other things. Let's hope we'll have more success once the new main page with articles for improvement is implemented.--Ipigott (talk) 07:48, 10 February 2013 (UTC)


 * I've just been looking at Ancient Roman architecture. The problem with this is the same as with the Acropolis: the article was created way back in 2001 when there were no requirements for stating sources, let alone inline citations. As a result, it is virtually devoid of any good references. The best way to deal with the topic would be to get a few recognized books on the subject (historical, cultural, architectural) and completely rewrite it. Unfortunately, this would not be acceptable. So once again it will be a matter of tediously trying to find authentic sources for what is in the existing article. This is certainly not fun to do and is often counter-creative. Furthermore, recent books and publications have a tendency to draw on Wikipedia articles with the result that the vicious circle is reinforced! I think it is the reason why so many old articles on important subjects are suffering from any real editorial interest while topics which have only recently led to new articles often speed up to GA or FA.--Ipigott (talk) 08:08, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Architecture
Concerning your removal of one of the lead pic that was added today: I have been looking for an appropriate image that contrasted a modern city with the wide view of Florence.

The two pictures (and their captions) refer, in one case, to the impact of a single architect and a single structure on a city and on architecture and the architect. The second picture demonstrates very clearly the uniformity created by 20th century structures of the so-called International style. Although in the body of the article, almost every building is individually notable, and such is not the case in that picture, the picture demonstrates a significant trend in architecture.

The article is not simply about significant buildings. In each case, the significant buildings has been selected to demonstrate the aesthetics or principals of a wide region and era, or an architectural philosophy.

I want to emphasise that the image of Florence Cathedral has not been selected simply on the grounds of it being a great representative work of architecture (like the Parthenon, St Peter's Basilica or the Taj Mahal). It is not simply an iconic building. It is the building that launched the notion of the "architect".

The homogeneity of the Manhattan skyline is the antithesis of the image of Florence. Read the two captions. I believe they make the point, without labouring it.

Amandajm (talk) 13:46, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I understood your intention, but still that image is not a good illustration of international style, neither is it a very good quality picture. -- ELEKHHT 21:56, 10 February 2013 (UTC)


 * To say again what I said above:
 * "The homogeneity of the Manhattan skyline is the antithesis of the image of Florence. Read the two captions. I believe they make the point, without labouring it."
 * While I agree that the image is not as high quality as it could be, the two images complement each other in terms of colour and appearance.  It is the picture of Lower Manhattan which in terms of colour and proportion fits best with the image of Florence. It includes the Twin Towers which were so much part of that landscape.
 * And while I agree that the image may not show International style as well as an image of a single building might, it illustrates extremely well the affect of the style in transforming cities. Lower Manhattan is "iconic" in that regard.
 * Amandajm (talk) 04:39, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Repeating the same thing doesn't make it more valid, only makes it look like POV pushing. Will respond on the article's talk page in more detail, where this discussion belongs. -- ELEKHHT 06:14, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Palace Hotel (Copenhagen)
— Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:03, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

In the Media
Hi Elekh, thanks for the suggestion for In the Media. I don't think I'll have time this week to write an In the Media piece, and there haven't actually been many noteworthy stories this week. So I'll probably hold everything over for next week and cover it then. Alternatively, if you want to have a go at summarising the few articles there have been (there are links on the page), and make a feature of the Nick Cave story for this week, please feel free. Best, Andreas JN 466 00:20, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry but with only five hours left until publication, I will not have time either. Thanks for the encouragement though. -- ELEKHHT 01:34, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Parthenon
Thank you for your prompt maintenance of important articles. And here is a cheeseburger for you, too! Amandajm (talk) 07:02, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, much appreciated. But I'm trying to eat healthy now so I made it invisible :). -- ELEKHHT 07:28, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Metabolism (architecture)
Hi Elekhh, I've done some work on the Metabolism (architecture) article - it's a massive topic but I've tried to cover the basics. I'd really appreciate it if you were able to read it through and give me your thoughts. Kenchikuben (talk) 18:26, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Nice work! I'm in a rush now, but am intending to nominate it for DYK in the next days, and also provide more detailed feedback towards GA. -- ELEKHHT 06:19, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Article Feedback deployment
Hey Elekhh; I'm dropping you this note because you've used the article feedback tool in the last month or so. On Thursday and Friday the tool will be down for a major deployment; it should be up by Saturday, failing anything going wrong, and by Monday if something does :). Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 21:19, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Metabolism (architecture)
Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

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Mies van der Rohe credit
Isn't it a bit of an overkill to credit the local collaborator (and possibly Eliasson)? Without having checked up on it, I am quite sure that many of the earlier years' recipients have also had (local) collaborators and HLA was for instance credited alone when they received a |Civic Trust Award for the same building.Ramblersen (talk) 23:47, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, you're probably right. I was simply following the EC source, which unlike in previous years gave full credit. I simplified it now, but others might have different opinion. -- ELEKHHT 00:29, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

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Hi Elekhh,

Just to let you know that the Featured Picture File:La Tour St. Jacques La Boucherie à Paris ca. 1867.jpg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on May 27, 2013. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2013-05-27. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:53, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Gun owner map
Would you consider adopting a more neutral color scheme for this image? Having countries with the most gun-owners appear in red with those having the least being in green has an appearance of bias.-- The Devil's Advocate tlk. cntrb. 18:48, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Red is a good colour for representing the number of firearms, making the map more easily legible, so I wouldn't change that. But I can try to change the lowest category into a lighter yellow, to simplify the colour scheme. Hope that will address your concern. -- ELEKHHT 20:15, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't think I should need to tell you that red is often seen as conveying an element of danger or alarm. Having the darkest shade represent the countries with the most guns is legible enough and many colors do not have the same implications as red.-- The Devil's Advocate tlk.  cntrb. 02:09, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry red is not to your satisfaction, despite the colour of your signature. Should I think that you're dangerous, or a communist? I don't think so. Colours have multiple meanings, and just because some do associate a particular colour with positive or negative meaning shall not deprive the general public from those colours. This logic would ultimately lead to all maps being B/W, which than would need to be supplied in two versions, original and inverted, so that the potentially biased views on the meaning of black and white do not affect perceptions. In any case, note that I amended the map per my previous comment. -- ELEKHHT 03:52, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

lgbt architects
hi - per the recent nomination, a few points:
 * 1) From Categories_for_discussion: "Unless the change is non-controversial (such as vandalism or a duplicate), please do not remove the category from pages before the community has made a decision." The purpose of this rule is to allow the community to judge the possible scope of the category before deciding to delete it or not. Thus, for categories under discussion, items can be added at will, provided they qualify, but should not be removed. Johnson was openly gay, and in many many articles about him his sexuality is brought up - so I think he qualifies for the cat.
 * 2) FWIW, I'm not decided myself on whether the cat should be kept, I'm going to wait to hear from others - I just think it should have a fair chance. best, --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 02:07, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * 1. From Categorization: "Categorization of articles must be verifiable. It should be clear from verifiable information in the article why it was placed in each of its categories." (my emphasis) Thus removal was legitimate. There was no ref in the article as to Johnson's sexual practices, neither was I aware of any relevance of that from architecture literature. -- ELEKHHT 02:20, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * 2. Your recent edits contradict your above statement of neutrality. First you consider that removing articles from a CfD is not ok but adding articles to the category is fine. Second, you're adding articles to the category without providing evidence and more importantly without demonstrating relevance. -- ELEKHHT 02:38, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Did you read in the lede, "He was survived by his life partner of 45 years, David Whitney, who died later that year at age 66"? I can add additional sources if needed, but I'm not sure they are needed. for example, this one, already cited in the article, says "Flamboyantly gay, he admitted to four "Mrs Johnsons", of whom the last, David Whitney, was his companion for over 40 years."
 * Secondly, yes I realize this is a bit of a bizarre rule, but that's the standard practice at CFD. When a category is being disputed, it is acceptable to add people to the category (provided the additions are sourced, of course) - and it is *not* allowed to remove them until the CFD is done (after a week or so). You can ask any admin at CFD, they will tell you the same thing. I've added another ref to the article in any case. Cheers,--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 04:57, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I missed those, so thanks for clarifying. In that case just consider my previous edits as good faith WP:IAR. -- ELEKHHT 07:02, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * No worries... --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 08:02, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

POTD notification
Hi Elekhh,

Just to let you know that the Featured Picture File:Franz josef Glacier LC0250.jpg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on June 11, 2013. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2013-06-11. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:20, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Älvkarleby
Thank you for your comment. I uploaded a new version.--ArildV (talk) 13:57, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Hungarian help needed
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World Architecture Festival
Thanks for your welcome message and offer of assistance. I have remade the article World Architecture Festival and would like some comments. Hope you have the time to take a look. When the article is ok I was thinking of translating it to Norwegian, but would like to know how much more work it needs before I start. No point in translating it before it is basically ok. I have left some comments on the article talk page. Thanks ツツ Dyveldi ☯ 14:56, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Will have a look this weekend and answer on the article's talk page. Thanks for the impressive expansion! -- ELEKHHT 00:02, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks a heap, hive, whole lot for the the help with language, proof readning and verbesserung. I think I have found at least most of the pictures and existing articles to link to. I wonder what I do not see, what's left to do before I start translating to Norwegian. Do you have a little time to take a look?. ツツ Dyveldi ☯ 12:20, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Dyveldi, this is evolving very nicely! I think the main improvement which can be still done is reducing the citation overkill: often there are just too many citations at the end of short paragraphs. These need to be either reduced, or placed after the relevant sentence. -- ELEKHHT 12:15, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I see you have been at the list today. A great help. The citation overkill was a choise I made when I started to research the article. I copied text from the sources and just wrote a resymé as I read the original text from the source. And then I rearanged the sentences in a better sequence. What I quit doing was placing the references at the end of the sentences. Some sentences have several sources and some just one and I gave up making reference names so I could sort which source is important to which sentence and just placed them all at the end of the section. I used all of them though and they all contributed something. Of course I can to something about this, it'll be a lot of work. If you really thing this is importand i will. Again thanks and regards. ツツ Dyveldi ☯ 16:15, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I think on the long term would be good, will make checking facts and updating much easier. But there is no rush, and you can also leave it to others: this is a collaborative project after all. -- ELEKHHT 21:35, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Exactly. And yes I will not be able to rush, since I'll have a busy autumn studying archives full time in addition to a full time job, but I do not like to live things obviously unfished. Collaboration is a great thing, but I have seen enough articles left for someone else and sometimes it takes years for someone else to turn up. Having the text criticizes and corrected is invaluable though. That's at least how I find out how to progress!! And then there will be new awards and prices in October, hopefully the previous years will be ok by then. And I have read the sources a couple of times already so I basically know what to look for.
 * Every article is source for 2 or more sentences. A few sentences have only one source. Most of the sentences have as far as I can remember 2-4 sources. The sources are news stories and newspapers are notoriously unreliable so ideally infomation from newspapers should have at least 2 sources. Also news items tend to become "dead links" as time passes. So yes I conciously "overkilled" as some of the sources will die in the years to come. Hopefully some will survive. I need to give the sources names so they won't be repeated 3-4 times in the reference list. I'll reread an find out which is sourcing what. I will end with more little numbers within the text, but I think up to 3 per sentence will leave the text still readable and also the correct sources far more identifiable. It's just taking the time to sit down and make the matrix, but it is far easier when someone else has read and corrected and I can trust the text to be basically ok !! ツツ Dyveldi ☯ 17:07, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

DYK-Good Article Request for Comment
Hi, would you like to elaborate on your !vote? :) -- Gilderien Chat&#124;List of good deeds 00:50, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia Ambassador for Psychology Class
Hi Elekhh, I am going to be using Wikipedia in class this semester and I would need someone to help out. No need expertise in the topic. I used Wikipedia in class before so, I just need some help with students' editing questions. Look forward to hearing from you! S.mereu (talk) 15:30, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi S.mereu, and thanks for asking. Unfortunately I will not be available this semester, because will be travelling and not have internet access for longer periods. Wish you best luck with quickly finding a suitable online-ambassador. Best, -- ELEKHHT 23:46, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Re:Featured pictures and copyright
Elekhh, this is bang out of order. You have no right to ensure that your claim is shown, but then do your best to hide my claim that your claim is without foundation, and you've certainly got no business edit warring to ensure that this is the case- you have now reverted two separate editors to ensure that my criticism of your claim is hidden. Whether an image is "free" by Wikipedia's standards has everything to do with the image's candidacy at FPC. I have added a new comment, which is unambiguously relevant to the FPC nomination. Please do not remove this. (It would also help if you actually took a look at what I am saying- your claim is baseless. The English Wikipedia, unless I am very much mistaken, has no policy on FOP.) J Milburn (talk) 12:38, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
 * J Milburn, to clarify a few points:
 * "do your best to hide my claim" - is unsubstantiated. I haven't hidden any of your edits, although you did hide one of my comments which was in reply to another editor's question.
 * "you have now reverted two separate editors to ensure that my criticism of your claim is hidden" - is unsubstantiated. I haven't hidden any of your criticism. But I insist that my comment which was directly relevant to the FPC, and was a good faith response to a question posed by another editor remains visible.
 * "your claim is baseless" - that's your assertion, although I provided evidence which you do not discuss on its merits, but choose to attack me.
 * "The English Wikipedia, unless I am very much mistaken, has no policy on FOP" - is misleading. The English Wikipedia does comply with US law, and that includes US FOP.
 * -- ELEKHHT 13:36, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
 * When you reveal one of your own comments but refuse to reveal my comment which criticises yours, I don't think it's unfair to accuse you of deliberately working to hide my criticism of your claims. You have reverted two separate editors who believe that it is unfair to leave your comment while removing mine. Whether you're actually the one who placed my comment in an archive is, frankly, irrelevant, and any suggestion otherwise is spurious. So, let me ask you a very simple question. Do you believe that images of the Angel of the North can be released freely on the English Wikipedia? Surely, if we follow US law, they cannot. If they cannot, the fact we have a featured picture of the statue is a problem. There is a hideous inconsistency in the way this policy (if it is a policy- I remain unconvinced that it is) is enforced. That's a problem. Until we have some vague consistency, I see yet more reasons to assume that we do not have a policy on the subject. J Milburn (talk) 17:44, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Please stop harassing me and place your concern where appropriate. Thanks. -- ELEKHHT 21:21, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Article Feedback Tool update
Hey Elekhh. I'm contacting you because you're involved in the Article Feedback Tool in some way, either as a previous newsletter recipient or as an active user of the system. As you might have heard, a user recently anonymously disabled the feedback tool on 2,000 pages. We were unable to track or prevent this due to the lack of logging feature in AFT5. We're deeply sorry for this, as we know that quite a few users found the software very useful, and were using it on their articles.

We've now re-released the software, with the addition of a logging feature and restrictions on the ability to disable. Obviously, we're not going to automatically re-enable it on each article—we don't want to create a situation where it was enabled by users who have now moved on, and feedback would sit there unattended—but if you're interested in enabling it for your articles, it's pretty simple to do. Just go to the article you want to enable it on, click the "request feedback" link in the toolbox in the sidebar, and AFT5 will be enabled for that article.

Again, we're very sorry about this issue; hopefully it'll be smooth sailing after this :). If you have any questions, just drop them at the talkpage. Thanks! Okeyes (WMF) 21:45, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

POTD notification


Hi Elekhh,

Just to let you know that the Featured Picture File:Ephesus Celsus Library Façade .jpg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on September 20, 2013. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2013-09-20. Thank you for all of your contributions! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:16, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Upload problem
Hi Elekhh, I have problems uploading this image and others by the same author. The license seems to be fine but it tells me that it has previously been deleted. Would you happen to know what the problem is and if it can be uploaded?Ramblersen (talk) 00:24, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Not sure what the problem is. Did you try flinfo? How do you wish to name the file? -- ELEKHHT 19:04, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes that is where I always upload images from Flicker (after you introduced me to it). And I have never experienced this problem before. The name would just be Dragør-something since I haven't identified its exact location yet. But there is little point in trying to find the building (and other ones) if it cannot be uploaded.Ramblersen (talk) 02:16, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok got it. It was deleted before as after bulk upload the original up-loader thought is not useful or out of scope. So there is no license issue, and if you click "Ignore warning and save anyway" than all should be fine. I uploaded this one at File:Dragør 2004.jpg. Cheers, -- ELEKHHT 07:24, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I see, just couldn't find the reason for the previous deletion. Thank you for looking into it.Ramblersen (talk) 23:46, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Aachen Rathaus
Thanks for catching the "structure" typo. Just letting you know I'm going to add the Aachen category back. The Rathaus sits at the center of the city of Aachen and is one of its most characteristic features. Seems appropriate that it should be in the Aachen category. If there are too many categories, I might recommend that we move one of the three architecture ones instead. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ljpernic (talk • contribs) 01:19, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
 * That's ok with me, your rationale makes sense. Cheers, -- ELEKHHT 06:12, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Majorca Building
Hi Elekhh, I don't intend to get into an edit war here, but I reverted your edit (which you have now reverted back) because my understanding of the definition of a skyscraper is that it is not simply a tall building as we know it today. I referred to the Wiki page Skyscraper where it points out that the term is often applied to buildings that use a steel frame or make a significant impact on the local skyline. This building, built in 1928, is much smaller than they are today, but made a significant impact at the time it was built. Thanks Libby norman (talk) 08:54, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Libby, I understand the historic usage of the term, but if there is no source to back it up I think it shouldn't be used. There were many equally tall buildings built in the period in the same area, and they are not described as skyscrapers either. Not a very significant issue for me, so if you feel strongly about it put it back, but please do not remove my other edits. Cheers, -- ELEKHHT 11:44, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
 * That sounds fair enough, so I will leave as is unless a ref turns up. Sorry I reverted other edits, I didn't spot them when I looked (obviously I didn't look closely enough). Thanks. Libby norman (talk) 11:34, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

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POTD notification


Hi Elekhh,

Just to let you know that the Featured Picture File:Kairo Ibn Tulun Moschee BW 4.jpg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on November 15, 2013. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2013-11-15. Thank you for all of your contributions! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:54, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Architecture
It might be worth putting a protection on that article for a bit. It's been vandalised fairly heavily in the last couple of days. When the removal of over 1,000 words goes uncorrected in a major article for over 30 minutes, despite the diligence of the watchers, it's a problem. What pleasure do the idiots get?

How do you do the protection thing? Does one need to have a green sticker on ones wiki-license to say that one is permitted? Amandajm (talk) 01:37, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
 * They get the pleasure to see the changes they make, even if only for few minutes. Does not happen on Wikipedias that adopted pending changes to all their article space (German, Hungarian, etc). Can request either semi-protection or pending changes, but probably only for a few months. Which one do you prefer? -- ELEKHHT 02:14, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Improvement requested to Portal:Architecture
Hello. I am conducting an audit of all currently featured portals in order to determine which ones meet the modern standards and which ones need improvement. While Portal:Architecture is in excellent condition, there are only 11 selections in Portal:Architecture/Selected picture, while the modern standards look to have at least 20. While there are plenty of options to choose from at Featured pictures/Places/Architecture, I am not nearly as well versed in the area as you appear to be, and this is a portal you are actively maintaining, so I would very much rather you be the person choosing the images. If you'd rather me do it, I would be happy to, but I wanted to offer it to you first. Please also note that I have added an archive/nomination link to the 11 that exist currently, as every other section had one.

Hope I'm not stepping on any toes.

 S ven M anguard  Wha?  04:50, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Sure, will add 9 more images, as this was on my todo list anyway. While there are indeed plenty of FPs of buildings, many of them are of very limited notability in architecture history. I'm also trying to achieve good global coverage, and select images of a format (landscape) and colour scheme (dominant blue) that fit the portal's layout. Cheers, -- ELEKHHT 22:37, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. If it helps, I have absolutely no issue with you using Commons FPs, as those are also of a high technical standard, and all of the additonal requirements that FPs have on English Wikipedia are largely irrelevant to portals. That might get you some more images to work with.  S ven M anguard   Wha?  23:33, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Delisting feature picture
You have voted on the delisting of US Postal Currency 5 cent 1862 1863. Some new information has been presented. Would you consider reviewing your vote?

The deletion request was started because it was assumed that File:US-Fractional (1st Issue)-$0.05-Fr.1231.jpg was the same currency as File:US Postal Currency 5 cent 1862 1863.jpg. The Fr.1231 currency was in better condition so it should replace "US Postal Currency 5 cent 1862 1863" as the featured image. They are not the same. The older file is of type Fr.1230 because it has an ABC monogram on the back. As a security measure, the US Post Office had the front and back of the bills printed by two companies. The back of the Fr.1230 was printed by the American Banknote Company and their ABC monogram appears in the lower right corner. The Fractional currency (United States) article explains the difference but does not show an example. -- SWTPC6800 (talk) 18:49, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

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Java
Big problem with anything to do with indonesia is the potential - if we had active contributory editors to something other than soccer, the potential utility of regional geography categories far outweighs the argument for merging into single island ones. The question is dumbing down and reducing the number of potential fillable categories presupposes an absent or non existent set of editors who actually help expand the Indonesian project set of articles. Maybe it will never happen (either way), and it will bubble along with an ever increasing set of articles about non notable soccer players, and the geographical features of indonesia will remain a mysterious unfinished project...

but a word of warning - the geographically challenged set of users who are concerned about their penis size also havent the faintest what java is... http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikitrends/2013.html - strongly suggest that the more sub-divisions of information about java - the better... satusuro 06:13, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeh, I know about the bola-bola, and I do not disagree that more subcategories might be useful one day, but until than I would suggest one step a time is better. -- ELEKHHT 06:18, 30 December 2013 (UTC)


 * hmmm - hey I think content improvement for indonesian articles should become a priority - I havent been in there for the one line stubs for a long time - but there are/is one vast sea of crappy/gila pointless in their current format stubs that need something doing... anyways - please have a very safe new year and thanks for whatever you do to improve the project. satusuro 06:25, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Tidar is not and has never been a mountain. We need a hill and not mountain category in the geography of indonesia.

Similarly Turgo and Plawangan are not mountains, so thats 3 that could exist in a not-mountain also not small hill of Indonesia. satusuro 13:47, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, Category:Hills by country is waiting for Indonesia. Otherwise I was just moving articles from Indo to the islands. Also noticed that Tidar is called gunung. -- ELEKHHT 13:53, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
 * heheh over-rerspectful javanese topynymy - respect for what was considered a sacred hill - the nail of java... thanks for pointing out the hills thingo - will get to it soon... satusuro 13:59, 8 January 2014 (UTC)