User talk:Elgraphio

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Edits to Typography
Hi Elgraphio. Thanks for contributing to the Typography article! You input is much valued, altho most of the material you placed under Legibility was really about Readability so I moved it to that section, edited for clarity and added much more on the topic of readability.

There were a couple of sentences that had to be removed for the time being:


 * It is easier to read black on white because that has the greatest contrast.

Can you confirm if the source of this statement is the reference you added:


 * Alex W. White (1999). Type in Use - Effective typography for electronic publishing (version 2.0). W.W. Norton & Company, Inc. New York. ISBN 0-393-73034-4 (pbk).

Arbo talk 18:58, 6 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi Arbo, I confirm - the source of the above statement is Alex W. White


 * Thanks! All we need now is the rationale for how the high contrast of black text on white makes it easier to read. Does Alex W. White attribute the ease of reading to the saliency of black on white? In this context "saliency" is a synonym for "high contrast". That would be my guess.


 * I'm writing up more material from current discussions of readability at [http:\\www.typophile.com\ Typophile] and published sources that explains how and why fonts are designed to work as black text on white&mdash;to produce the ideal 50% grey value the black ground occupied by the glyphs is equal to the white space inside the counters and between the letters of each word. That's the opinion of Hrant Papazian, Kevin Larson's reserch at Microsoft, Peter Ennison, John Hudson, Evert Bloemsma, Jarval, Frutiger et al.
 * Arbo talk 09:58, 7 October 2006 (UTC)


 * ...and if you want to rewrite the text&mdash;go for it. The writing could be simpler to make it easier to understand. Be bold in editing. Most of my edits are bold and in good faith, and I very much want more editors to work on Typography.


 * Any departure from that combination must be carefully considered. Any severe reduction in contrast must be sampled beforehand to check whether creativity and expression are impeding communication.


 * This can be paraphrased to meet WP style requirements:


 * In practice typographers routinely print text in colors other than black on white. Substantial reduction in contrast is carefully considered and tested before printing to ensure creativity and expression don't obstruct communication.


 * Now it can go in :-)
 * Arbo talk 12:01, 7 October 2006 (UTC)