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Bilingual law dictionaries, glossaries, and search engines
Found a bunch of online sites which either have long lists of legal terms in French and English (e.g., Lexique français-anglais this pdf, 124 pages); or they are browsable, or searchable like a search engine and you type in your term, and it brings up a definition, and sometimes also an article about it, and the translation (like This McGill browsable/searchable dictionary) and many more. I'll probably post the list at the France WikiProject, but you can find your obscure French legal term at one of these, and find a translation and/or an article about it. More later. Mathglot (talk) 09:00, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

That sounds good Elinruby (talk) 09:11, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

I have sent you a note about a page you started
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 scope_creep Talk  07:45, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the kind words and the reference. Mathglot and I are working on improving coverage of legal systems based on the Napoleonic Code. It's slow going as there has been some previous conflation with common law systems, but we're on it, and I do plan to expand that one myself after I get done with Natural person in French law. This on e seems to be a formal judicial mechanism for dealing with things like oil spills (vs the often ad hoc regulatory systems in the US for example). Most translations from French start out under-referenced and mostly referenced to primary sources; it's a problem but as you see above, since we're starting from 10,000 feet we're also looking for good secondary sources. All of which is to say, thanks for not slamming it into draft space as unreferenced, which would have been easier but also would have been discouraging to me. I created three or four of these stubs to reduce the number of redlinks in a survey article, but am going to expand those before creating any more, as there turn out to be a lot of issues with titles and redirects and so on. Thanks for thoughtfulness. Elinruby (talk) 20:31, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Please no direct interlanguage links inline
Hi, Elinruby, in these edits to Central Directorate of the Judicial Police you added two direct Interlanguage links to French Wikipedia articles. Per H:FOREIGNLINK and MOS:INTERWIKI, please use Template:Ill instead, as "interwiki linking within an article's body text is generally discouraged". I've already fixed up those two links, so you're good to go. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 09:00, 11 December 2022 (UTC)


 * mumble ok Elinruby (talk) 09:05, 11 December 2022 (UTC)


 * btw I am still looking at Natural person in French law, but slightly boggled at the multiple versions of Code Noir, which also applied to Quebec, New Brunswick and Louisiana in addition to the countries our article mentions. Another fun fact: Under the version of French law that exists in Quebec today, a river has been declared a legal person. There also seems to be a lot to be said about how Roman law treated Franks and Burgundians after the Romans invaded, and how the Franks and Gauls treated the Romans after they invaded Rome. Interestingly they both applied two sets of legal standards, so at the time people didn't so much have human rights as citizenship rights. Just thinking out loud and updating you; contemplating the rewrite we discussed of the history section. Elinruby (talk) 09:27, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Yah, there's more to the Code Noir than I realized at first glance. It was really interesting learning about that, which I did, thanks to you (and am still doing). Mathglot (talk) 08:44, 12 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Are you a person if you are willing to risk being branded to get away? The Code Noir articles are incomplete. Apparently the original is lost, but somebody made a copy; however there is no concordance. Too much for comparative concepts of humanity -- I need to figure out how to wikilink that. But since I am here might as we straighten the main article out if I can. One of the articles of the document was citing the wrong sentence earlier that is why we had that confusion. 42 does talk about punishment but not ears, that's 38. According to a wiki article I was just reading (Mauritius?) They had a punishment there where they left.a slave exposed all day.then executed the slave at sundown. I think that's the colony where they refused categorically to implement the codeat all. Vs other colonies where they said sure and just ignored  it. Elinruby (talk) 09:08, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Not sure which one that is, but I know that Mauritania is often mentioned as the country where slavery is still the most in effect of any country currently. Don't know anything about Mauritius, but the name is so similar, I wonder if you were reading about Mauritania (in North Africa). Mathglot (talk) 09:20, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Nope this one is...off Madagascar I think. Mauritania have a vague idea you are right but this is "île Maurice" -- I am capable of making that mistake and I wouldn't have known right hours ago, but I just did a big old ce @ Mauritius, should be a pretty good read apart from some Dutch redlinks for ship captains and governors. Elinruby (talk) 09:35, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

History of Mauritius it was
Oops Elinruby (talk) 09:42, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Paris agreements dab page
Hi, this may be out of your range of interest, but any thoughts (given your Francophilia) that you might have about this disambiguation page I created (to replace a hornet's nest of individual redirects and disambiguations) would be welcome: Paris meetings, agreements and declarations (disambiguation).

(I've been half tempted, out of sheer mischievousness, to add Paris Commune and Paris Commune (1789–1795) to this list.)

Have a good Thanksgiving, and may the best team win the FIFA World Cup Trophy. (Of course I hope for a repeat of 1966 while I suspect you'd love une réprise of 1998.

—— Shakescene (talk) 01:43, 20 November 2022 (UTC)


 * wow. Great work. I have only skimmed it but it certainly seems useful. I noted that you do have both Communes, so at the risk of seeming humorless, why is this mischievous? They are definitely two distinct events, distant in time, that share the same name. Elinruby (talk) 14:14, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * What was a bit mischievous is that the Communes don't strictly fit into the meetings-agreements-declarations category, although it's at least conceivable that someone looking for a Commune might look under one of the other redirecting articles, e.g. Paris Convention, or (less likely) vice-versa.
 * Thanks for the compliment. Bonne Chance —— Shakescene (talk) 16:12, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Aha, I see. I do vote you keep it; I remember being confused by that one when I was dumped into a Parisian French history class halfway through high school. I'll give it a deeper read in the next few days. Elinruby (talk) 16:18, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * And then there's the (artistic, or movement) schools: School of Paris, School of Paris (Middle Ages), and Paris School (security studies). Mathglot (talk) 00:22, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

I liked School of Paris... good times. The Middle Ages guy told me to get out of here with my Dada objections ;) Elinruby (talk) 07:05, 12 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Treaty of Paris, at least two Elinruby (talk) 09:44, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * 1783 and 16 something Elinruby (talk) 09:46, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Click the wikilink and you’ll see that the disambiguation page for Treaty of Paris is much longer than this one. —— Shakescene (talk) 14:17, 12 December 2022 (UTC)


 * hahaha point taken Elinruby (talk) 20:42, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Re
I think you pinged me from the article talk page. You said - "I really fail to see why he is worth the effort". Yes, exactly. Hence, no comments from me about that guy. Yes, contributors frequently create a number of pages on subjects of marginal notability just because they like the subject or the person. But as long as such pages would survive an AfD (as this page), this is all legit. My very best wishes (talk) 18:01, 16 December 2022 (UTC)