User talk:Elizabeth.fractal

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Hello, I have no interest in ivan meisner, I read a book and wanted to know more about him and found almost nothing, just the same father of bni bla bla, so I investigate more about him and find links and histories that was true and verifiable. I have an old account and lost access so I created a new one to add my investigation. How do I have to write to upload it correctly? Elizabeth.fractal (talk) 11:01, 12 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Elizabeth: Thank you for letting me know that you have no interest in him. You can probably understand my concern when I see that you stated that this photograph was your own work; that certainly looks like a picture taken by someone with direct contact with Misner, seeking to make him look good. Can you explain how you came to take that picture?
 * As for how one writes so that material gets kept with the article: we rely heavily on statements that include references, so that things on Wikipedia are verifiable; the bulk of what you added to the article had no such reference (and referencing is considered particularly important in biographies of living persons. For statements that may be contentious or boastful, we want reliable third-party sources. Even though you've had an account in the past, it might be a good idea to read through Contributing to Wikipedia, since it runs down some of the basics.
 * I hope some of that helps. Feel free to let me know if you have any questions! --Nat Gertler (talk) 11:27, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Nat, I will rewrite and show you, I'm waiting for the answer of the red cross because he always states that he have got an award from them but there is no evidence. The photo was taken in the presentation of the book I have read. But there is so little information about him, just the same bio of his page, that was my red flag and that's why I wanted to contribute. I found a link to the others awards and statements. And people has told they heard the program of CNN, because there is also not probe of that on the Internet. Thanks again! Regards Eli Elizabeth.fractal (talk) 14:19, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Reaching out to someone like the Red Cross is often not much help, because we need to be able to point to a reference where someone else can go check it out. That's what we mean by verifiability. The source doesn't have to be online, we can point to magazine articles, books, etc. -- but if possible, online is better. You added a lot of information to the page. Where did you get that information from? Is it sources we can use?
 * If by "The photo was taken in the presentation of the book I have read", you mean that you scanned a photo that was in a book, then we have to delete it. It's a copyright problem. Is that what happened?
 * Thank you for your response. --Nat Gertler (talk) 14:50, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

I was so happy to find an article in wikipedia that I have more information that I let myself be carried away by emotion. But now seriously, the published article has not foundation: let see the intro: Ivan Misner is the founder and chairman of the business networking organization BNI,[1][2][3] called the "Father of Modern Networking" by CNN and the "Networking Guru" by Entrepreneur magazine.[1][4][5][6] I propose this change:

Intro

Dr. Ivan Misner is Founder & Chief Visionary Officer of BNI (Business Network International), the world’s largest business networking organization. //It is the largest? //https://accruemarketing.com/bni-not-bni/ //https://books.google.com.mx/books?id=JygDDQAAQBAJ&pg=PA39&lpg=PA39&dq=bni+is+the+biggest+networking+organization&source=bl&ots=h4JD10YGyx&sig=ACfU3U2VB7z9IjBeHzmIsTpBG78YD3ue5w&hl=es-419&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiPtZv1z_zpAhVCOs0KHcPxCNY4ChDoATAIegQIChAB#v=onepage&q=bni%20is%20the%20biggest%20networking%20organization&f=false //https://www.business2community.com/strategy/top-10-business-networking-groups-you-should-join-0385283 //https://books.google.com.mx/books?id=3lXBCwAAQBAJ&pg=PA25&lpg=PA25&dq=the+biggest+networking+organization&source=bl&ots=dVdi64omGV&sig=ACfU3U2zhqfqz-_RDzCd_pcTBSWymGWQ2Q&hl=es-419&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjKkYuh0fzpAhVkAp0JHe4lA8U4ChDoATAFegQICBAB#v=onepage&q=the%20biggest%20networking%20organization&f=false Founded in 1985, BNI currently has over 9,500 chapters on every populated continent of the world. Each year, BNI members report that they have passed millions of referrals which generates billions of dollars of business for the them. //This info is from their site https://www.bni.com/ //Dr. Misner has been called the "Father of Modern Networking" by many writers, and the "Networking Guru" by Entrepreneur magazine https://www.entrepreneur.com/page/networking-in-the-new-normal it is actually from Entrepreneur Magazine.

What do you think? it is more accurate?

And thank you for take the time to help me with my big change article (I only verify dates, links and so forth) :) ≈≈≈≈


 * That's an edit with lots of statements, and aspects, and I'll try to address them one by one.
 * "Dr. Ivan Misner" -- per MOS:DOC, we leave off professional titles.
 * Next we would normally put his career, not his position. "is an American networking specialist and author", and then go on in to discuss his specific current position or major past positions in a separate sentence.
 * We cannot use accruemarketing.com as a source in this article, as it appears to be a self-published item (the author is the president of Accrue) and we are barred from using self-published sources in biographies of living people unless the subject of the article themself is the self-publisher.
 * The first Google Books citation is from the book And The Client Went Wild, which is a decade old, so at best it says that as of 2010, BNI was the largest.
 * business2community.com appears to be basically reblogging of others blog material, and does not show the sort of editorial control that would have us considering it a reliable source.
 * The Google Book-linked Network Marketing Survival 2 is both from 2008 (so very old data) and published through lulu.com, which is basically a self-publishing printing service, and so likely again an unacceptable self-published source.
 * The statements about the scale of BNI are phrased in very promotional ways, and this article is supposed to be about Misner not about BNI, so they are not appropriate to the intro. And as they are boastful statements, BNI is not an appropriate source for them; I could put on my website that I am both King of Spain and a champion Indy Car driver, but that doesn't make them true.
 * The claim that Misner has been called "the Father of Modern Networking" by many writers has no source.
 * The Entrepeneur link is an advertisement trying to hype an event at which Misner was speaking, and thus is not a third-party source.


 * I realize that those answers may be frustrating; I hope that they are also educational, and will help you better understand what we're looking for in articles and in sources.


 * Now there is a question that I asked earlier that I still need the answer for: were you the photographer of the picture that you uploaded? Knowing that answer would help me take care of things appropriately. --Nat Gertler (talk) 21:34, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

let me rewrite everything with these views. The photo was of a photoshoot in the presentation of the book, I took the opportunity and took my own photo lol!

I don't have so many time but I have looked for so much information that I want to share it. Thank you very much for your guidance and understanding. ≈≈≈≈