User talk:Elkman/Archive4

=Old warnings= Lest anyone think I've just archived my talk page to get rid of warnings, they're reposted here:

Drastic refactoring
You say "a few users seem to be suggesting that signatures should be drastically refactored every time they occur"

Who says this? --Tony Sidaway 12:12, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Possibly unfree Image:Mnlicenseplate.gif
An image that you uploaded or altered, Image:Mnlicenseplate.gif, has been listed at Possibly unfree images. If the image's copyright status cannot be verified, it may be deleted. Please go to its page to provide the necessary information on the source or licensing of this image (if you have any), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you.
 * The public disclosure policy you cited is about public records. Copyrighted images of the state do not fall into this policy. There needs to be a paragraph that reads like this one from the Illinois state site:

"Information presented on the Secretary of State’s web site is considered public information and may be distributed or copied. Use of appropriate byline/photo/image credit is requested." -Nv8200p talk 15:42, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

License plate images
Final Warning Stop reinserting images which have been removed because of legal and fair use concerns. Your actions can be seen as vandalism. If you do one more such edit you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. You may not get another warning before being blocked.

Vandalism and Incivility Warning
Welcome to Wikipedia. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing. However, unconstructive edits, such as those you made to User:PatriotFirst, are considered vandalism. If you continue in this manner you may be blocked from editing without further warning. Please stop, and consider improving rather than damaging the hard work of others. Thanks.

Please stop
What you said about certain users on the Administrators noticeboard is libellous and defamatory. Particularly this: [|accusations and defamatory comments]

Do not defame and libel other editors. Your behavior is also considered worse than Wiki-stalking, particularly because it goes beyond the usual policing and spying of editors on Wikipedia. It concerns editors privacy rights off of Wikipedia. This is unfair to Wikipedia, itself, and unfair to the editors involved. Thank you. Additionally, you took the liberty of removing code from my page, without my permission. This also goes against Wiki user page policy. Next time you take the liberty to alter a user's page, I suggest you, politely, ask the user in question first.

Please act civilly with me. Because of your incivility, you are not welcome on my pages again, unless I expressly invite you, which is ulikely under the circumstances. PatriotFirst 23:31, 18 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Next time, call the Bloomington Police Department at 952-563-4900. That should get things moving more quickly.  I believe they have a case open against me already.  -- 02:52, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Pink fuzzy bunnies
Please read WP:POINT. --SPUI (T - C) 05:53, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

=New messages=

whaa
Sorry but I am going to be upfront about this. oh whaa something didn't go your way. You are a good editor, stop acting like a 5 year old, if this were real life you'd be on the floor with a blue face kicking your legs. What will it take for your ranting behavior to stop? Who needs to apologize, what needs to happen? -Ravedave 00:30, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Ian Hart-Stein
Thanks for tagging this. In future, you can use db-repost to tag the article for speedy deletion. It would also be good if you could leave a message on my talk page and/or WP:ANI if Kenwood 3000 resurfaces again - when I checked the sockpuppet's contributions he had made a large amount of libellous edits which also needed reverting. --Sam Blanning(talk) 15:46, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Um...
I know that SPUI is a hard person to deal with at times. I'm sorry, but this is not acceptable. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  22:26, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

More
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More yet again
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Your vacation
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Final Warning Stop editing while you are on a Wikibreak. You need to relax so you can continue to make excellent contributions to Wikipedia. You may not get another warning. Enjoy your vacation. Dual Freq 02:04, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Notices above
Has someone hijacked your account? --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  04:47, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Your edits to Thorncrown Chapel
Please refrain from adding nonsense to Wikipedia, as you did to Thorncrown Chapel. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox.

MN-33
Please stop. If you continue to vandalize pages, as you did to Missouri State Route 76, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia.

Branson, Missouri
This is your last warning. The next time you vandalize a page, as you did to Branson, Missouri, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia.

R.W. Lindholm Service Station
You have been blocked from editing for a period of three weeks for vandalizing Wikipedia. If you wish to make useful contributions, you are welcome to come back after the block expires. R.W. Lindholm Service Station

Block?
Look if you really want to be blocked I'll do it. Don't post fake vandalism messages to your account though. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  19:06, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Don't be so appologetic
Ok, this isn't a compliment, but I've got to tell you this so you don't get the wrong idea. Just because somebody does a bunch of rearranging of info and formatting on an article you wrote doesn't mean what you added is worthless. Yes, saying "fuck this shit" on an article is dumb because that can only result in penalty, but doing the grunt work on highway articles with infoboxes, etc. is better than nothing. So, my point is... if you're think you're trying to help, screw everyone else's insults... take their advice and try not to screw up, but if you do, someone else will fix it. If you're trying to hurt Wikipedia or trying to satisfy your funny bone, then you're in the wrong place. Simple common sense. Now, if you're not an expert in an area, don't try to overthrow someone who is; however, you're input is usually appreciated, so keep on editing... if that's what you want to do. Just learn from mistakes and gain experience. Also common sense. Heck, I wanted to say "fuck this shit" on a bunch of my articles that were reverted... until I realized the reverter was a moron. --TinMan 05:33, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Now that I look through your archives, I see you've been told this before: here. Get it through your head... or do whatever you want... I guess I really don't care. --TinMan 05:37, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Bridge help
Elkman, since I saw you did the Bridge of Hope page, I was wondering if you could confirm for me which brige the County Road 78 Bridge is. Is it the main concrete girder bridge in Sartell? The List of crossings of the Upper Mississippi River says it's south of Sartell, but there are actually two bridges in Sartell, the girder one and an older, trussed one that is no longer used. If you could clear this up for me, I can photograph the bridges and then start working on their articles. Thanks.--Daveswagon 00:35, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Dual Freq answered my question, but if you're able to fill in the info boxes on those two pages (now Sartell Bridge and Old Sartell Bridge), that would be appreciated.--Daveswagon 05:08, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for filling in those bridge info boxes. Yes, I'm always willing to help on Central Minnesota topics, however, I'll be going overseas to study in a few weeks so my contributions for the next several months will be few and far between.--Daveswagon 23:09, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

History of MN
FYI, I have taken your wonderful History section in the Minnesota article and replaced History of Minnesota with it. It needs a good overview so I have asked User:Kablammo for help doing that. Thanks! - Ravedave 04:57, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Brand X vandal
Hey Elkman,

Just wanted to thank your work against this "Brand X vandal", Kenwood 3000 and his sockpuppets. I meet him and his various sockpockets all the time on the Phil Collins page, and spend a full time job watching over him and his false additions. It's a shame, as people like him are the reasons Wikipedia will never be taken seriously. Still, I appreciate your work watching over him. A shame we can't just lock out his IP address, User:82.35.114.39.

Have a good one,

--Ataricodfish 17:21, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I just reviewed that IP's contributions and, finding nothing in there or the WHOIS to suggest that anyone but Kenwood is using it, I blocked the IP for two months with account creation blocked. Hopefully that will put a stop to it for now. Apologies for wikistalking your talk page, Elkman, but occasionally I read things like this that are useful :-) --Sam Blanning(talk) 17:28, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Reginald1041
I have indefinitely blocked User:Reginald1041 as a suspected sockpuppet of Kenwood 3000 and went ahead and removed the mention of Ian Hart-Stein from the John Goodsall page as it does appear to be some long term vandalism attempt by those people. And I never did say his name was Ian Hart-stein. Seriously, you really need to stop being so hard on yourself. You were right. Have a cookie. Cowman109 Talk 20:08, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


 * And hey, you were a damn good DFC contributor. OING DS 20:23, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Re: More on the culture of Wikipedia
I know what you mean... I've been gone for six months since the last time which was a fucking disaster with nothing going right. This month has been great, since I only edit pages which nobody else edits and select pages which are more or less vandal free. The downside is that despite 1,000+ edits this months, I have hardly anything on my talk page. Sure beats them negative comments though ;)

Actually this is typical of the state of humanity. People do not care about people who good things or who help others. Those things are irrelevant. We only shout at one another when we think that somebody else did something wrong and it's usually very trivial. And in the case of Wikipedia there are many trivial, stupid things to fight about and that's what happens most of the time.

I see you already got a cookie. You get a smile from me. I sometimes monitor Phil Collins, because it was once nominated for Featured Article by a newbie and I gave a comment and tried it to clean it up and somebody great came along and made a whole fucking Featured Article out of it. I like Phil, but I don't have anything by Phil, so it's a bit ironic that I played a minor role. KittenKlub 20:54, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Sauk Rapids Bridge
I was uploading a pic of the Sauk Rapids Bridge and noticed the article says it has three stone piers. I only counted two. Is there something else that counts as a pier that I'm missing?--Daveswagon 23:11, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I took the pictures myself and some of the other shots clearly show only two piers in the water. I've changed the article to reflect this. BTW, I also added an image of the New Sauk Rapids Bridge. If you can identify a bridge type from its picture, it'd be great if you could add that to its info box. Thanks.--Daveswagon 23:41, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I changed the number of spans on the Sauk Rapids Bridge from four to three in line with the disappearance of our "mystery pier". I hope this was correct.--Daveswagon 08:51, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I added a page and image for the 125th Street Bridge. Apply your bridge expertise to it as necessary.--Daveswagon 18:06, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

MN-road-stub
Thanks for pointing that out (happened when carelessly editing down an unneeded link to WP:STUB); someone else seems to have fixed it in the meantine. Alai 22:13, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

UHSA Page
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=University_of_Health_Sciences_Antigua&action=history

Thanks for coming over and visiting that page. Apparently a student who attends it has decided to not allow any links to govt agencies showing that the school is banned (5-8 states in the US specifically banned by name. Can you help?  Azskeptic 03:58, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Azskeptic has nothing meaningful to contribute. All foreign medical schools are banned in certain states - nothing new with that. Additionally, he is copying and pasting links and copyrighted material into my article from other websites. I’m surprised to see he is asking for your help. Notice, he registered his ID for the sole purpose of posting his nasty remarks in articles relating to foreign medical schools - it is apparent from his contributions.

Thanks

DrGladwin


 * I suggest that the two of you (and anyone else involved) should work this out for yourselves. I saw the link posted at WP:AN/I, and I checked the page to see what was going on.  I decided not to get involved, but I did notice the article was lacking a category. So, I flagged the article as needing a category.  That doesn't imply my endorsement of any specific version of the article or its contents.  I strongly suggest that the two of you, and anyone else involved, don't continue this argument on my talk page.  --Elkman - (Elkspeak) 04:39, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks for your compliments and support of Larrys Creek's FAC. I have answered your question about the covered bridge article at Featured article candidates/Larrys Creek - basically I will work on an article but it will take me a while. Also not sure what to call it as there are at least three different names for the bridge (Larrys Creek, Cogan House, and Buckhorn). Thanks again and take care, Ruhrfisch 21:21, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Townships in Iowa
Hi Elkman,

Back in July, you disambiguated the article on Monti, Iowa, changing the link to township to civil township. Somehow, the article on Monti fell off my userlist, and I did not notice the change until now. Unfortunately, it's not correct: Iowa has no civil townships, only survey townships. I have reverted this change, which was no big deal. However, since you used AWB to make the change, I wonder how many other articles you made the switch to now have this incorrect disambiguation: any article concerning places in Iowa will definitely be mistaken. Do you recall how many articles you AWB'd? Were there many on articles relating to the state of Iowa? I'm sorry I didn't tell you sooner, but as I said, I just now noticed the mistake, which could have happened to anyone. Sorry. Firsfron of Ronchester 04:20, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your swift reply. My own would have been as quick, but I got your note right as I was shutting down to head home from work. I'm glad to know there weren't more changes to Iowa townships; that's a bit of a relief. One good thing came out of this: I was able to find population figures for Newton Township, which I'll eventually add to the article on Monti, since there are no official figures for unincorporated communities in Iowa and Newton Township obviously doesn't have its own article.
 * I'd like to address another thing you brought up in your message, Elkman. You say your edit war with SPUI marked the end of you being a "good editor" on Wikipedia. I don't believe that; I've seen plenty of good contributions from you since then, and an edit war with SPUI does not neccessarily make someone a "bad editor"; otherwise, we'd have quite a few bad editors, wouldn't we? ;)
 * Almost everyone has been involved in an edit war to some degree. At some point, you just have to realize that it happens, and move on. I recently noticed a SPEEDY tag you added to your admin aspirations page; the comment you left was something like "It won't ever happen now". I don't think that's definitely the case. Given time, almost anything can be forgiven by the community, especially if a little remorse is shown. If wheelwarring admins can be resysopped (and some have), an editwarring user can gain the mop; it just takes time. I'd urge you to reconsider your status as a "bad editor", the jokes on your talk page notwithstanding.
 * Anyway, just something for you to chew on. Happy editing, and thanks, Firsfron of Ronchester  11:04, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Snape
Being the one person on the planet not enthralled with Harry Potter strikes again. I scanned the passage for some indication of an anchor to something that would make it somewhat sensical, but I saw nothing. Now that I know what you know, I would agree that we're looking at a prod or a AfD if it needs be deleted. You certainly could have removed the speedy yourself, but I'll go take it down assuming somebody else has not. Erechtheus 18:29, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Non helpful edit
this edit was not helpful. Nor were some other recent ones you've made. Please reconsider your approach, remembering WP:CIVIL, WP:POINT and in general, behaving collegially. Sarcasm often fails to make the point intended. Tempers are frayed around the highway issue and it would be best if you were calming, whatever your personal feelings might be. ++Lar: t/c 15:07, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, so maybe it shouldn't apply to others. But I do have to account for my own failures as an editor here.  I'll try to keep WP:CIVIL and WP:POINT in mind, and maybe just keep my mouth shut.  But I will never be WP:CIVIL to myself, and I will never regard my edits or my participation in a positive light.  --Elkman - (Elkspeak) 15:40, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * That confuses me, sorry. If you don't think your contributions are positive then what does that mean? ++Lar: t/c 15:42, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Man I know you're probably upset about this whole thing and I am too. But don't make comments like that on WP:ANI, that will make things worse. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  17:46, 1 September 2006 (UTC)