User talk:Elkman/Archive7

Template
O.K. now that I have copied the code what else do I have to do to ChicagoWikiProject? Is it possible to add a photo needed parameter? TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio)


 * I just created a whole bunch of categoreies to go with the template parameterization. I think I will be satisfied with a separate photo request tag for now since I don't understand the code. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 17:20, 12 April 2007 (UTC)


 * It seems that all subcats of Category:Chicago articles by quality are working. The various sub categories of Category:Chicago articles by importance are populating except for Category:Unknown-importance Chicago articles.  I will probably only be online for another 20 minutes before I head to the gym.  I will be on a bit tomorrow.  I am going to try to figure this out from Architecture.  It may take me some time.  Any advise/help would be great. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 21:43, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look into the categories, but I don't know if I'll be able to get to them until tomorrow evening. I'm kind of busy this weekend.  --Elkman (Elkspeak) 21:54, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for helping fix the template. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 16:42, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Someone else tried to add a needs-photo parameter. It is not working.  I attempted to fix it but my attempt did not work.  Can you fix it? TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 15:25, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * P.S. let me know if you can't so I can revert my changes, which I think are very close. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 15:37, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * When I go to Talk:Pat Ryan (executive) I do not see the Category:Chicago articles needing photographs TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 16:43, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * P.S. Hopefully, it will also show up in Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Illinois. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 17:07, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * P.P.S. I am noticing the comment section is annoying. It clutters the talk page template.  Can it be deactivated? Can I use the Dab, Template, Cat classes with the template? TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 20:46, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Great work. Thank you so much.  Yes.  Your interpretation is correct. I would, for example, like to be able to tag all the categories at WikiProject Chicago/Categories or the templates at Category:Chicago templates with a class parameter. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 21:20, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Category:Disambig-Class_Chicago_articles, Category:Category-Class Chicago articles and Category: Template-Class Chicago articles are all working with the parameters. I am having a minor problem with the Category:Disambig-Class_Chicago_articles getting them to put themselves in the proper categories though. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 17:26, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I am wondering if a partial reactivation of Category:Chicago articles with comments is possible so that pages with comments still show up in this category, but so that the template does not show comments. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 23:49, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I apologize if I was unclear. Having the comments show up on the talk page template is undesirable.  Please revert this change.  What I hope for is that the category Category:Chicago articles with comments can populate for pages with comments without the comments showing up on talk pages.  This is so that we can easily figure out which pages have comments even though we don't want them showing up on talk pages. The problem with Category:Disambig-Class_Chicago_articles is that the Parent Disamb-Class has no other subcats or articles.  I am trying to figure out if it is malnamed or something. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 16:12, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * A small link on the template is probably O.K. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 16:35, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Great work. Any thoughts on Category:Disambig-Class_Chicago_articles.  Should it be parented by Category:Dab-Class articles, Category:Disamb-Class articles, Category:Disambig-Class articles, or Category:Disambiguation-Class articles?  Should it exist? TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 20:25, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I have two further questions. What do you know about Needed-class articles?  Is it possible to have an Image-class parameter value so that we can have an Image-class Chicago articles category. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 19:49, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

(Unindent) I don't have examples, but I can send you to Needed-Class. Does that help you to answer my question? WRT Image-class, is there any precedent that you might have scene elsewhere? TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 19:24, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!
Hi Elkman, thanks for all your help with the 1013 Project articles. My students are learning a lot from their interaction with Wikipedians. They're starting to get the hang of this, and they seem to be enjoying themselves. "Final" revisions on their articles are due next Thursday, so please help look out for them over the next week or so. 1013-josh 07:08, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Stoopid Monkey Logos
As you are probably aware, the Stoop!d Monkey page was the subject of an AfD and the result was, of course, "Keep". Currently, the logos are a point of contention with myself saying that they were part of the "Keep", while User:Calton saying they were to be dropped and the article was to remain.

I asked the admin who closed the AfD his opinion and he replied, "I just said the article was to be kept, I don't know about the logos". There wasn't a decision given on the logos and in the AfD only 3 users said the logos should go, only 1 said keep the article, lose the logos.

I am not sure how to handle this, but since the admin who closed the AfD made no decision and the AfD wasn't about the logos in the first place (and the majority said to keep the logos if you want to be picky about it, as far as I can tell).

This wasn't an issue from April 16th (immediately after the AfD) to May 3rd when User:Calton realized that I was blocked for 48hours (not related to this) and I couldn't revert his changes. User:Calton had no interest and made no changes on the page itself or the talk page during that time. So, to me, his initial revert on May 3rd was done because of my block.

I have asked two admins (in case one is offline) to revert his changes and put a block on the page until this can be worked out. I am also asking you, since you contributed to the AfD, what your opinion is on just the logos themselves. I appericate you input one way or the other. Thanks...SVRTVDude (VT)
 * That's a good idea. Is there anyway to have the episode picture where it is and the Stoopid Monkey picture on the other side with all the information in the middle?  If so, that would work out great. - SVRTVDude (VT) 04:15, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
 * By the way, if you are ever in Cumberland, Maryland, there is a TON of Richardsonian Romanesque buildings there. I do believe there is a short section on the Cumberland, MD page here on Wiki.  Take Care....SVRTVDude (VT) 22:56, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Red River Trails
Elkman: I included the NRHP infobox in this article, and somewhat arbitrarily chose Winnipeg as the closest city. Should a city be chosen which is closer to the two parts of the trail selected for the MPS? Or should multiple cities be listed? It may make sense to list none at all, given the fact that some cart trains started from Pembina instead of Winnipeg, some ended at Traverse des Sioux, Mendota, or Fort Snelling rather than St. Paul, and they wandered all over the map between the endpoints. Kablammo 20:35, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Kablammo 02:15, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Image:1915 Dance by Rodchenko.jpg
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Minnesota
I edited the history section some-- take a look at it. I'm tempted to take out the first mention of Minneapolis growing up along St. Anthony Falls as it's covered later. Also I will reply to your messages to me on my talk page there, and will monitor yours, so we can keep threads together. Thanks. Kablammo 02:35, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm. I think I'd rather keep the section of the foundation of Minneapolis in with the history section.  I know it's covered later, in the industry and commerce section, but I think it's important to have it in the historical perspective.  Actually, come to think of it, the industry and commerce section says that fur trading and agriculture were the first industries, and it sort of segues into flour milling, but it doesn't say much about lumbering and sawmilling.  Those were pretty important industries at St. Anthony Falls, coming into prevalence before flour milling really took stride.  I think the primary mention of Minneapolis growing up around the falls should be mentioned in the history section, and then the industry section should say that sawmilling and then flour milling were important industries at the falls.  (And elsewhere, too.  Marine on St. Croix, Stillwater, and Winona were pretty busy in the lumber trade.  I'd have to see if any towns up the Mississippi River from the Twin Cities were that important.)  Any thoughts?  --Elkman (Elkspeak) 03:26, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with you, but I wasn't clear. It is mentioned twice in history, once in the second paragraph following the first mention of Fort Snelling, and later in the fourth paragraph of the history section.  But it's only one phrase in each, and I think it reads OK. (I'm always looking for a way to condense.) Kablammo 03:32, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, I get it. I think the fourth paragraph doesn't mention Minneapolis growing up around the falls so much as it mentions that industry at the falls changed from sawmilling to flour milling.  Come to think of it, in regard to my earlier message, the history section mentions the lumber trade in Marine on St. Croix, Stillwater, and Winona, while the industry section doesn't mention it.  --Elkman (Elkspeak) 04:04, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for fixing my page.
Thanks a lot for fixing User talk:AVTN!  AVTN  T  CV  A 19:09, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

new articles
You may be interested in reading or contributing to some new articles Glacial River Warren, River Warren Falls, Buffalo Ridge, Bohemian Flats, and Traverse Gap historically important to Minnesota. (shameless spam)--Appraiser 19:39, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

NRHP
Thanks for the resource links. I will look at them in the future. This week is a stubification drive for the Chicago Landmark page in order to get it up to a blue link/red link proportion that is more palatable for WP:FLC. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 19:32, 11 May 2007 (UTC)


 * By the way, you are on our WP:CHICOTW list of contributing editors this week. You might want to pick a redlink from Chicago Landmark and create a stub though. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 15:24, 12 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I changed one of your redirects back. I didn't change it because I am so sure it is more preferable my way, but because we should be consistent.  When we get to the WP:FLC, I would not be surprised if we end up reverting to your change, but also changing many other links similarly.  I guess I am saying we should either change all of the links from the Chicago Landmark name to the WP name or none. Thanks for helping out. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 21:08, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Demographics of Minnesota
Thanks for researching and adding the new section. It seems to have quieted things down. Kablammo 14:04, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

What about being an admin?
 Hi Elkman, I want to nominate you for adminship, I'm pretty sure you would be a good sysop. Please take a look at Administrators to check what are admin's roles, and let me know if it's ok for you ;-)

« Snowolf How can I help?»  21:30, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm. I'll have to think about it for a while.  I'm not sure if I have an answer right away, or a chance to respond tonight, but I should have a response by tomorrow.  --Elkman (Elkspeak) 21:32, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Take your time ;-) « Snowolf How can I help?»  22:09, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Someone's considering me for an RFA
Snowolf is considering nominating me for an RFA. Since you've been helpful to me in the past, particularly in regard to a couple of editing conflicts, I'd like to get your opinion on whether these conflicts would cause a problem. I haven't had any major conflicts with users since last November (although I did have a bit of a dustup recently with Kelly Martin regarding her high standards for RFAs), but I'm wondering if you think any of these past problems are insurmountable. I'd like your honest opinion on this. This isn't canvassing -- I'm just tire-kicking at this point. Let me know what you think. --Elkman (Elkspeak) 22:52, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi Elkman!
 * Thanks for your note. Regarding your RFA, I say you should go for it. I'd support you based on your 11k contributions, mostly to geography-related efforts, and you've kept your nose clean for six months, aside from what does appear to be a small scuffle with Kelly Martin. I don't think a scuffle with Kelly Martin is an "insurmountable" obstacle at RFA, though Kelly does have important friends here on Wikipedia.
 * What it comes down to for me is I would trust you with the tools, as you've done a lot of great work, and I like your sense of humor (the Antarctica Highways WikiProject userbox, for example). Admins need a sense of humor; so many don't. You had a block 6 months ago for disturbance, which the blocking admin obviously struggled with ("Looks like a good user having a bad day"). The incident seems well behind you, and you're a productive member of the community. I'm not sure I can gauge consensus of the community without any relevant comments; I'm afraid I don't move in the "right" circles for that. Also be aware that probably the only RFA that I can be certain benefited from my support was that of Kpjas. If you do decide to run, please let me know. Best wishes and happy editing, Firsfron of Ronchester  02:24, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I happened to notice this while perusing Snowolf's recent noms - I think you should definitely go for it. I think most people realize that getting in dust-ups is a natural part of noticing and challenging things that you disagree with.  That is healthy for Wikipedia for the most part. --Spike Wilbury 17:56, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
 * So? ;-) BTW, it's natural to have disagreements with Kelly Martin about her absurd standards for RfAs ;-) RfA shouldn't be a big deal! « Snowolf How can I help?»  23:23, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Mill Ruins picture
I was reluctant to clutter up your article with one of my pictures just before DYK. I couldn't think of a catchy caption - go ahead and add one if you can think of something. I'll have to search my stash of photos to see if there are any more. (I'm not sure I'd be in favor of you being an admin. I'd rather you spend your time working on Minnesota Historical topics.  But I'll vote for you if you decide to do it.)--Appraiser 19:23, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't stop working on Minnesota historical topics, or Minnesota-related articles in general, or NRHP articles in general. Those topics are too interesting to walk away from.  I view adminship as an extra set of tools to help out with maintenance, not as a replacement for article editing.  We wouldn't have articles if everyone worked only on administrative stuff.  --Elkman (Elkspeak) 19:44, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

CHICOTW
TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 00:48, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Elkman!
I'm confused. Who's going off the deep end? Who's unable to calm down? --Elkman (Elkspeak) 04:33, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the warning message here. IP appears to be an indef blocked user who left messages such as this. No worries: I can hit "block" and "revert" faster than IPs can type this stuff up. Hey, did you think anymore about RFA? Firsfron of Ronchester  06:22, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah! Understood. Good luck! I have my fingers crossed for you. Not that I think you'll particularly need luck. Best wishes, Firsfron of Ronchester  22:17, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Chicago Landmark Stubification
I am writing you because you either (1) edited Chicago Landmark 5 weeks ago when it was the WP:CHICOTW (2) edited it or created a stub last week when we had the stubification drive for it or (3) you nominated an article to be the CHICOTW in the last few days.

I have finally had a chance to take a tally on last week’s stubification effort. Based on my manual count we now have 109 bluelinks on a total of 241 landmarks. Preliminary indications were that for our article to be successful at WP:FLC we would need to eventually rename it (something like List of Chicago Landmarks) and get the majority of the landmarks linked. Based on my cursory count we need to write 12 more articles to get to a majority. It would be great if you might be able to assist by creating a couple stubs to assist in this effort. Here are some of the stubs that were created during last week’s efforts: Black Metropolis-Bronzeville District, Historic Michigan Boulevard District, Arthur H. Compton House & One North LaSalle. Among the articles still redlinked are 2 buildings on this week’s CHICOTW, Magnificent Mile (Perkins, Fellows & Hamilton Office and Studio, Woman's Athletic Club). Recall that each redlink on Chicago Landmark has a footnote to a reference that gives you enough info to create a stub. If you create a new stub please add it to WikiProject_Chicago so that we can keep track of the progress. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 15:34, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

For exemplary service to the Chicago WikiProject
Let me update my thanks

nrhp
I am finally getting around to your infobox nrhp tool. It is magical. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 15:40, 19 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Do you know how to get the infobox info for the Black Metropolis-Bronzeville District (Chicago Landmark name) or Black Metropolis TR according to NRHP? I can not find most of the properties. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 15:55, 19 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Do you know if there is a similar tool for infobox skyscrapers maybe on emporis.com or something. I have a lot of Chicago Landmark and other skyscrapers that are not nrhp. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 04:39, 20 May 2007 (UTC)


 * P.S. Although I can get your query to find all the individual properties, will it work for the Black Metropolis-Bronzeville District as a whole? TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 04:44, 20 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Do properties from multiple property submissions belong in Category:Historic district contributing properties? TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 17:06, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Tulsa Historic Places
Elkman, thanks for the kind words on my talk page. I barely know what a talk page is at this point, but they came at a good time.

I'm so frustrated with this entire experience... I was a webmaster for 10 years before becoming an urban planner, and I've never come across a technical process that is less user-friendly than wikipedia. Half of our content gets deleted almost as soon as it's added, I have no idea why, the help documents are decidedly unhelpful... I'm about ready to quit the whole effort. All I was trying to do was add our content -- content that we own and willfully distribute to fulfill our mission.

Any help or guidance you can provide would be greatly appreciated. I feel like I got into a secret club by mistake and everyone's giving me grief for not knowing the secret handshake and sitting in someelse's chair. :{

--Tulsapreservation 14:45, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Can't thank you enough for the help! Hopefully, the notice on our user page will satisfy the powers that be. I appreciate their vigilence... fortunately there are helpful folks like yourself who get the newbies squared away.

--Tulsapreservation 16:07, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Editorial assistance
I apologize for not recognizing you earlier. I am just getting familiar with this type of userbox. You may want to place the following on your user page: TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 20:51, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Pjt48 14:44, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Thanks so much Elkman for your remarkable expediency in lending me a helping hand in getting by article suitable and formatted. I admire your dedication as a Wikipedian. I find my exploration of the Wikipedia fascinating but daunting Pjt48 01:30, 8 April 2007 (UTC)Pjt48 13:59, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Mill Ruins Park, etc
(Firstly, thanks for the RfA Support) I see what you're saying about the photo. I can see exactly where he took it, but it will take me at least two weeks to take a new one --while I live downtown, next to Foshay, I work out in Eden Prairie and only have time to go on photo hunts on weekends (for daylight). I'm going to be out for the next few weekends. I didn't even know about that gorgeous home before, I'll see if I can't eventually capture that. My camera isn't particularly professional, and it's at the whim of the sunlight on a given day. Last Saturday went from to  and the difference is pretty startling. --Bobak 21:38, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

excuse me
i am the author of the freeston chronicles and have sold many copies. mr johnson is a reccuring villain throughout. my article isnt nonesense.

Minnesota
Hi. I added a few topic for discussion at Talk:Minnesota. Can you weigh in with your thoughts? Thanks. Kablammo 18:15, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Omaha
Thanks for your reaction to my error - I was simply copy and pasting the template without exploring the parameters therein. I'm glad you found the mistakes though - it looks like you're a great NRHP editor. I will look through your edits and learn... Thanks again. - Freechild 03:06, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Monte Ne
Hello, I'm needing some info or support for an article about a place listed on the National Register of Historic Places that I've been working on. It's a place called Monte Ne which was a health resort of sorts run by an eccentric bimetallisms named William Coin Harvey in the early twentieth century. I've put a lot of time into the article and now I'm trying to get it featured, so if you wouldn't mind looking it over and giving me some criticism or support I would really appreciate. Also I've asked a few other users for there help and placed this exact same message on their discussion page. This was just so I wouldn't have to type it again, I'm not trying to spam your talk page. If you have any questions please feel free to leave me a message or email me. Thanks so much! --The_stuart 21:45, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Your NPWatcher Application
Dear Elkman,

Thank you for applying for NPWatcher!

« Snowolf <font color = "darkmagenta">How can I help?<font color = "darkmagenta">»  15:59, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

RfA
I am waiting on Snowolf and Wizardman to see if they want to co nom, that's all, I suppose you can add your opinion whenever though. IvoShandor 22:40, 5 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I just transcluded it and notified them, go ahead and tell the world why you don't want me to be an admin. ; )

Dental Floss
LOL: You missed "27 Yards of Dental Floss" by Ry Cooder! &mdash; Gaff <b style="color:MediumSlateBlue;">ταλκ</b> 23:36, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Elkman
Thanks, Elkman, for the notice about the hurry-up-and-delete tag. I found an article in Wiki that compared shopping cart software programs, so I added my cart to the list of shopping carts in the table. The carts were all hotlinks, but when you clicked on them, for the most part, you got a message that said ... "there is no such article, but you can log in or create an account and write one if you want". So I did!

Did I read the faq and learn everything I should have before penning the offensive missive? No. I did read the NPOV alert, but that was about it. It was meant to be (and was, I believe) a purely informative write-up. No selling. Anyway, I see the article I wrote has already been deleted. Very efficient! Thanks again. I'll be more careful in the future. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jhoarty (talk • contribs) 10:35, 7 June 2007

New ChicagoWikiProject issues
Is it possible to make the template acknowledge Importance as the same as importance and Class the same as class? TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 19:48, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Following the lead of Category:Image-Class WikiProject Illinois articles, I have set up a Category:Image-Class Chicago articles. Can you change the template so that adding class=image populates it. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 18:11, 8 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Why aren't images like Image:20070605 South McCormick Court Fountains.JPG showing up in the category? TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 18:25, 8 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I thought in the past such articles showed up for other cats. Who else can I query on this topic? TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 18:48, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
For your contribution to Seth Lore and Irwinton Historic District. -Give Union 04:34, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

RfA
They're burning me out and pissing me off. The holier than thou attitude over there is ridculous to say the least. Apparently Wikipedia's 1,200 or so admins are saints, they must have zero flaws, especially considering some of the comments they made on my RfA. Whatever. I can guarantee that most of the admins on here don't have nearly the solid contribution history I do, after all how many articles about Pokemon can we really have or do we really need. Blah. Thanks for the support though. IvoShandor 11:30, 10 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Maybe I should just ROK their shit! ; ) IvoShandor 11:31, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Queries
Hey, can you create an NRIS query based on architect? Or is that not possible. IvoShandor 16:34, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
thanks for the idea. I tried to do it earlier but it was deleted. I will keep trying. Whoisthis2007

Deerwood
I'd have to agree with you that Deerwood Auditorium doesn't possess all the elements of Federal architecture, such as a flat facade, but I think it took some cues from the period, such as symetrically placed, 16-light, double-hung windows and the elliptical-looking detail above. The faux gable reminds me of Greek Revival style, and the overall shape reminds me of the Alamo. It certainly is a unique structure; thanks for bringing it to my attention. Could you re-write the DYK hook? I can't think of anything interesting. Thanks.--Appraiser 22:20, 11 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I was researching a bit to try to re-word the DYK hook again and also the article, to remove the Peacock term. You probably already knew this, but I just learned that "Federal Relief Architecture" is anything built by the "Federal Relief Administration" which preceded the WPA. So, there isn't any particular architectural style associated with that term.  The implication is that the Deerwood project is a fine example of a public building that would never have existed without federal money - really an icon of the program moreso than an icon of a building style.  I'll mull a bit about how to emphasize my revelation in the article.  I'd appreciate your thoughts. --Appraiser 14:03, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Have a great weekend. I don't think we have a picture of the Crow Wing County courthouse --Appraiser 20:10, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

NRHP
I prefer not to answer fishing expeditions. I have never interacted with WP:NRHP; I trust it is not being used as a mutual admiration society. It seems to have several respectable editors. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 23:14, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Personal attacks
I'll comment on as many forums as have continued personal attacks on me--that's precisely how many. It appears that there is no end of people willing to personally attack me to protect User:Chrislk02, which raises nothing but curiosity as to why he requires other editors and administrators to go around attacking me to protect him. KP Botany 16:33, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, good. Let's use my talk page as yet another forum to discuss the User:ChicagoPimp case, despite the fact that I didn't personally attack anyone -- I merely commented on the fact that the RFA had too much stuff piled on it.  --Elkman (Elkspeak) 16:36, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. When someone asks a question, I do like to be polite and answer them on their talk page.  But, in the future, if you don't want an answer, don't ask the question. KP Botany 16:52, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

SatyrBot and WP:Chicago
Hmm.. That's a very good question.

On the one hand, the railway categories were supposed to be removed from the bot's tasks. I'll check on that and make sure.

On the other, it really should check for whether or not it's added the banner before. That's a bit of code I hadn't thought of - I'll see if I can do that before the next WP:Chicago run. Thanks for bringing it to my attention! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 05:24, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Schooner Adventure
Hi, Thank you for helping out with the Schooner Adventure wiki page. Quick question for you---on a Mac browser, everything looks good. However, testing it on a PC browser (IE), the text doesn't seem to wrap around the NHL box that you added on the right side. So there is a big gap between the first paragraph and the rest of the article. Strange. Any ideas on how to fix that?

Thanks again for your help.

(Pirateluna)

Pirateluna

My recent RfA
Thanks for your support and defense in my recent, unsuccessful RfA. It's much appreciated. IvoShandor 15:55, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

pictures
''As it turns out, I had a picture of the Crow Wing County Courthouse from last year, when I went up to Brainerd for an inline skate race. I have a couple other pictures from that trip, including the Northern Pacific Railroad shops in Brainerd, the Brainerd water tower, and the Crosby Soo Line Depot.''

''On this trip, I took pictures of Portsmouth Mine Pit Lake, the Spina Hotel in Ironton, the other two Cuyuna Iron Range Municipally-Owned Elevated Metal Water Tanks in Cuyuna and Trommald. On the way up, I took pictures of the Great Northern depot and the Robert C. Dunn house in Princeton, the Mille Lacs County Courthouse and the Milaca City Hall in Milaca. I also took some pictures in Aitkin, including the Aitkin County Courthouse, the Aitkin Carnegie Library, the Northern Pacific depot (a really nice looking structure), the Patrick Casey house, and the Potter/Casey building. I've uploaded the Portsmouth mine pictures as well as the three courthouse pictures -- they're in commons:Category:Courthouses of Minnesota.''

''I also got in some good diving, too (which was the actual reason for the trip). Unfortunately, I lost a weight pocket in Portsmouth Mine Pit Lake. I've been having troubles with those weight pockets, so I might have to replace that particular system. But that's another topic.''

''Let me know if you want me to upload the other pictures for those places, and I'll upload them. I'm not uploading them right now mainly because I don't have articles written yet, but I'm willing to upload them any time. --Elkman (Elkspeak) 18:25, 17 June 2007 (UTC)''
 * Thanks! You have a lot to work on now. Could yo add the city hall picture to Milaca, Minnesota?--Appraiser 13:17, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Chicago Landmark WP:FLC
You helped us at WP:CHICOTW create and improve List of Chicago Landmarks. This week we have nominated it at Featured list candidates/List of Chicago Landmarks. Feel free to make comments about its candidacy or to come by and help respond to the comments of others. TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 00:22, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

WPChi falling on its face?
I hope you have been following along at Featured_list_candidates. If you have, then you may have noticed that the only drawback that seems to have emerged is the number of redlinks in the list. If you check in at WP:WIAFL this should not be a surprise. There is nothing much else really to complain about, IMO. I have said from the initial CHICOTW nomination. Unfortunately, once we worked on the page we found preponderant redlinks. I have always known this would be a problem and asked for help creating stubs. You may recall I encouraged us to spend an [Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chicago/COTW/History/CLstubification entire extra week creating stubs]. This still fell short of getting the majority of articles linked. I continued to suggest that we attempt to create stubs. This whole effort six weeks ago seems to have brought down WP:CHICOTW. Since this attempt to get people to create redlinks for a budding WP:FL people have stopped participating in the CHICOTW. This week marks the fifth week in a row that there has been no significant editorial contribution during the CHICOTW. I would say I am afraid to lose CHIICOTW support by mentioning this, but since NO ONE has come by to help this week, it could not get any worse. If anyone cares about getting an FL at CHICOTW for our past efforts it might be a good idea to express such concern by creating 5 or so stubs from among the redlinks at List_of_Chicago_Landmarks. Since I have already created about 3 dozen I have mentioned on the discussion that I am standing pat with my contribution to this concern. However, if any of you cares, feel free to make some stubs. The 20 minute stub instructions are still available. If you create any such stubs list them at WikiProject_Chicago so that everyone can help you to clean it up. TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 15:00, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Scott county courthouse
I'll try and get the Scott county courthouse in the next week or two. -Ravedave 22:53, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Ft. King
Somehow, Ft. King got listed as a NRHP property in Chicago that is now at List of Chicago Landmarks. Have you seen anything like this which really looks like it is talking about the Robert Abbott House (which is in Chicago), whereas Fort King is in Florida. Any thoughts on what might be the problem with this entry? TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 06:21, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Landmark Center
Landmark Center (St. Paul) is supposedly a National Historic Monument, but it doesn't show up in the lists I've looked at. Can you help me figure out what it really is? Thanks.--Appraiser 12:53, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Inexplicable Blanking
A slip of the brain - sorry about that (was on the phone and must have got disoriented). Occuli 14:58, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

More help needed
If you have been following along at WP:FLC you know we need help creating stubs for the List to make it a more useful list and help it achieve WP:FLC status. Since I reminded people of this 7 stubs have been created. We need about 40 more to be safe although we may have a successful candidacy with the article as it stands.

Some of you may also be following the success of WP:CHICOTW at WikiProject Chicago/COTW/Good Articles. For the last 4 weeks no one has been very active. Thus, I am fearful that Historic Michigan Boulevard District, Harold Washington Cultural Center, Crown Fountain, & Art Institute of Chicago Building will all fail at WP:GAC when their turns come up. Also, Magnificent Mile did not experience the collaborative spirit. Our reputation as a successful collaboration is at stake. In addition to making stubs for the FLC we need your contribution to our collaborations. I am sorry to pull you away from whatever other wikipleasures you may be experiencing, but we need your help. TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 16:55, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


 * While creating Template:Chicago Landmark houses, I have stumbled on your work for the WP:FLC drive. Please make sure you include your contributions at WikiProject_Chicago so that the hesitant reviewers will see how many articles have been created as part of the final push.  Thanks for your help. TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 16:34, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Minneapolis
Hello. Re: "map of the park system (i.e. the Chain of Lakes, parkway system, and trails)". Sounded interesting. I don't know where it would go, maybe a large wideimage like the 1915 panorama and the wide tables in geography, demographics and sports, but running under the Parks and recreation section? I think the wideimage is 1000px if that helps. Re: HHH, do you have a sentence in mind with a ref? If not I will try to look this up if no one gets there first. -Susanlesch 17:52, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

RE:National Register of Historic Places
No, they are not on the National Register of Historic Places. Have I been placing the wrong category up there? I was under the assumption that everything that is in the NRHP has a date in its column. I bet I have been placing Category:Registered Historic Places in Chicago, Illinois in wrongly then, haven't I? Everything but one article I have added are just Chicago historic places, not national. I can fix them a little later tonight when I have a moment, sorry about that confusion. First timer here with the NRHPs and whatnot.--Kranar drogin 23:42, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

AfD
Emily Hagins' article will probably be deleted. Please weigh in here if you are interested. Thanks.--Appraiser 13:00, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

List of Chicago Landmarks FL promotion
Thanks for being among the core group of individual wikipedians who helped List of Chicago Landmarks achieve WP:FL status. You may with to add the following userbox to your userpage --TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 15:09, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

List of Chicago Landmarks Template concerns
You may have noticed I made several templates for List of Chicago Landmarks. I am looking for suggestions on additional templates. One I am considering is a Transportation template with Chicago Harbor Lighthouse, Cortland Street Drawbridge, Dearborn Street Station, Garfield Boulevard "L" Station and Overpass, LaSalle Street Cable Car Powerhouse, Michigan Avenue Bridge, & Union Station. Let me know what you think of this one and how you think some of the other listings might be grouped if you have a chance.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 00:09, 1 July 2007 (UTC)


 * You responded with a lot of opinions, one of which was "I don't think I'd group together landmarks for different modes of transportation in one template, unless only a few are historic out of each of them." That is precisely the case.  There are 3 Train stations, 1 lighthouse, 2 bridges, the cable car.  Compared to the other templates there are few of each unless I group them together.  --TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 14:16, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Public Database?
Can you parse | this list so we can strategize on a possible WP:FLC? --TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 05:33, 1 July 2007 (UTC)


 * You responded to one post, but not this one. I hope you didn't miss it. --TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 19:35, 2 July 2007 (UTC)


 * (Note to myself: XML queries can be retrieved through using the GetXML=true parameter at the end. See .) --Elkman (Elkspeak) 20:31, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Rail stations
''Anyway, what do you think about creating a navbox for depots and rail structures in the Twin Cities? What do you think should be included? Let me know. I'm also copying Group29. --Elkman (Elkspeak) 19:58, 3 July 2007 (UTC)''


 * I think a standard box would be better than what we have currently. Perhaps a template similar to :Template:Minnesota Corporations would work.  Nav Boxes work well for things in succession like :Template:Crossings navbox, but most of these depots aren't connected to each other that way.  A Template could simply be divided by city, listing the names of the articles.  It could instead be divided by Rail Company, but due to mergers and name changes, that format would be less straightforward.--Appraiser 20:38, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * That is a good idea Elkman. I go by the freight depots at Hopkins (M & St. L and Milwaukee/Soo/CP on the other side of 169) twice each weekday, but it did not add them to the list. I think I opened a can of worms on myself when I thought that all the downtown Minneapolis terminals belonged in the Great Northern Depot. Thanks, Group29 20:53, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the support
I just wanted to say, now that I've gotten my feet wet: Thank you for supporting my RfA! Daniel Case 07:21, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

NHL - Chicago
I am curious about something I stumbled upon today. In an ask.com search on the Socony-Vacuum Building it came up as an NHL. Sure enough under its alias it shows up in your infobox creation tool. It also shows at http://www.historicdistricts.com/IL/Cook/state.html on the historic districts page. Is it in an NHL district? I can not find it at http://tps.cr.nps.gov/nhl/default.cfm. Also, how complete is our NHL list at List of Chicago Landmarks?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 01:06, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

NHRP
FYI someone started a bot to do NHRP stuff.. pretty cool Bots/Requests_for_approval/NrhpBot -Ravedave 17:46, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

NrhpBot and Infobox Creator
Would you be able to send me the php, or post it somewhere on here, for me to take a look through the code? pw 14:04, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I started adding in the geocode data to my template, but for some reason the numbers I'm pulling from their database do not match up with the numbers your infobox generator shows. For instance, refnum 131 you generate:

| lat_degrees = 33 | lat_minutes = 27 | lat_seconds = 50.4 | lat_direction = N | long_degrees = 86 | long_minutes = 49 | long_seconds = 6.83 | long_direction = W

But my calculations from the data show:

33, 27, 56.6568000000 and -86, 49, 9.02280000000

It seems there is some error in the seconds somewhere. They have explicit lat / long columns in the file I downloaded, so I was just using that. If you take a look at this link I plotted your numbers, my numbers and what google though based on the address, so I'm not sure its a huge deal, just wondering about your thoughts. pw 15:57, 19 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I started looking through some that I knew the location (so I could verify via satellite) and I found some where our numbers matched and they had the right location, so it seems like everything is fine, just some minor discrepencies on some records, I will make a note of that in an HTML comment when i put the data in the infobox. pw 16:54, 19 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I posted a question at Template talk:Infobox nrhp, maybe you have an answer. It seems like it would make these stubs look a lot better since I could have locator images generated from their coords instead of trying to figure out x/y. pw 18:25, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Pics
I would say there isn't any pressing need for replacement pics. Eventually someone will probably get better ruins pictures. Unfortunately the best answer to your question is to get a new camera :/. There are two things that can help with Cannon point & shoots like we have, shoot at dawn/dusk or very cloudy days. Even in the best conditions though it is very hard to get a Featured picture with a point and shoot. -Ravedave 23:51, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Convergence
I'd like to see a couple of pictures in the article. I'd tend away from identifiable people in costume. A panel such as Con2007_102 would be good, although boring to look at. A group of people in costume (without clear faces) would be good. I like Con2007_116, although it's a single costume. I'll look through pictures from previous years to see what might work. I'm absolutely sure Dave Romm (User:Baron Dave) would have a suitable one. He's always taking 100s of pics with a good camera. Perhaps he has an exciting Klingon battle or something similar. (Congrats on your Best in Show award)--Appraiser 13:25, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Deletion of Chester City (district)
Thanks for the information about this. I didn't know how closely it corresponded to the housekeeping criterion, and so thought the b est way of proceeding was to do it the way I tried. I'll know better next time. Once again, thanks. DDStretch   (talk)  09:33, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

can you please
tell me how this is a tragedy? can you provide proof of that? i understand you're upset. i'm not trying to "troll" anything. i appreciate your response for the most part, but don't get my intention wrong. thank you. i won't edit anymore.
 * (In regard to the collapse of the I-35W Bridge Proof? I was just watching the news.  People are being loaded into ambulances, and there are at least three deaths.  Divers are combing the river looking for bodies.  That's proof enough.  --Elkman (Elkspeak) 01:23, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Interstate 35W Continuity Discussion
Invitation to discuss continuity of I-35W after bridge collapse here - We're curious as to what your opinion of this is - Thanks,  master son T - C 04:32, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

I-35W Mississippi River bridge
The panoramic picture that you removed showed how the river banks were being used prior to the installation of the I-35W bridge against those very river banks. In particular, the south span of the I-35W Mississippi River bridge rests on the former Minneapolis Gas Works manufactured-gas plant site shown in that photo. That is why I thought the picture was relevant to the article. -- <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="Blue">Jreferee  (Talk) 18:33, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Mississippi River bridges

 * From User Talk: Rfc1394:
 * Thanks for creating the map. I moved it into Infobox bridge in those articles so the layout would look a little cleaner. --Elkman (Elkspeak) 17:51, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome; I'm using it as an 'excuse' to get more practice working with Inkscape. Yes, the articles do look cleaner with the map as part of the bridge infobox; in fact, I created another map to go further 'up' the current map and to add a few more bridges. So on the pages that the old map didn't cover (which didn't have the map), I put the map in, using the info from the pages you changed to know how to put the map in the infobox. In fact, if I had known the infobox supported a map I might have put it there first. But thanks, anyway. Paul Robinson (Rfc1394) 18:01, 4 August 2007 (UTC)


 * By the way, the Short Line Bridge over the Mississippi River is still open, though not in the greatest shape. CP Rail (or Minnesota Commercial Railway) made some repairs to the bridge after last summer's fireworks vandalism, and as far as I know, trains are using the bridge again.  You might want to update the map.  --Elkman (Elkspeak) 17:51, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Uh, the article for the Short Line Bridge says some parts of it have a 50-pound weight limit. I and my wheelchair weigh ten times that much, so I think that 'closed' is an adequate statement until the article is corrected. As long as the article claims the bridge is closed I don't see much point updating the image. Paul Robinson (Rfc1394) 18:01, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Picture
I like your picture in the infobox. It looks like someone sent it to WCCO also. Regards, Kablammo 22:07, 6 August 2007 (UTC)


 * yep. And the credit is going to Jocelynn Ellertson.  Anyone you know?--Appraiser 15:02, 9 August 2007 (UTC)


 * If I were you, I'd write to WCCO and ask them to change the name to yours' or maybe even plug Wikipedia.--Appraiser 15:18, 9 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't know her either; I was looking at the pics on the good neighbor and thought one looked familiar. I thought at first Wikipedia took the pic from CCO, but looked at the history and realized it was the other way 'round.  You should be credited.  Kablammo 15:25, 9 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes. Elkman (by his real name) should also be credited for his photograph at Minnesota Public Radio in their slideshow The I-35W Disaster. I will try to call these folks if someone else will try WCCO. -Susanlesch 15:36, 9 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The MPR slideshow doesn't credit anyone's photos, so I don't think it's necessary for them to make an exception for my photo. As for WCCO, my real name is Todd Murray, if someone is indeed going to call them to make a correction.  Like I said at User talk:Appraiser, though, the photo is licensed under the GFDL, which doesn't require attribution.  The Creative Commons license does require attribution, but the photo is dual-licensed.  I'd be happy with just crediting the photo to Wikipedia.  --Elkman (Elkspeak) 15:41, 9 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I sent a little note to MPR in case they'd like to add a credit as they have some at the end. Thanks for clarifying the attribution requirements. -Susanlesch 16:06, 9 August 2007 (UTC)


 * MPR does credit photographers, in this case at the end of the slideshow. Pardon the strike to correct that above. It is terribly sad to watch but I can confirm MPR added credits for Elkman above and beyond the call of duty. Very kind of them and nice of you for creating the bridge article and photographs, Elkman. -Susanlesch 18:24, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Elkman- I submitted the photo in question...I wasn't trying to take credit for the photo, but I heard on the news and saw on the website that they were asking for photos of the I 35 bridge prior to the collapse and I noticed that the picture was not yet added to the list. It required me to give a name, so I put my own, and I also added to the notes that it was from Wikipedia but this was not added to the photo. I assure you that I meant no ill will in sending the photo in, nor was I trying to take the credit for myself. I was simply trying to help with the investigation by submitting photos that they did not have. Please accept my apology. -Ellertson

US State Locator Maps
Hi Elkman, thanks for noticing the US State locator maps. Glad to hear that they are useful (which was my hope and intent). The process I use to make them is briefly described here. Unfortunately I do not have latitude and longitude information coupled with the images I take from the US Census web site (and I almost always crop the images and in some cases paste / stitch them together, so such data might not help much anyway).

I do know that User:VerruckteDan has been doing something very similar to what you are doing for locator dots used in Geoboxes, so Pennsylvania and Delaware and Louisiana and Illinois and probably New York are done (in terms of latitude and longitude for the corners). I would check with VerruckteDan as to which other maps he has calibrated and how he gets the dats (I think it is eyeball again, but GoogleEarth might be useful too).

I also know a Commons user left a message on my talk page there about making SVG versions of the maps (see here). I am not currently able to do this, nor am I planning on doing it, but there may be SVG versions coming from that user or someone else.

Alaska is my problem child in these maps. I have the state map done, but the Canadian and Russian borders are driving me nuts (as they are not on the Census maps and I can't find the same projections etc. to steal them from). If you think it would be useful, I could just put the state map on Commons (with no other countries shown).

Finally, I have not forgotten that I once promised you an article on the Larrys Creek covered bridge (on the NRHP) and will try to get to it this month (sorry to be so slow).

Yours, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 19:29, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * FYI, the Alaska locator map is now done and thus all 50 states have locator maps. I think Russia is tilted too much for the projection used for Alaska, but as it is an AK locator map, hopefully it is OK (and I added a note to the map on accuracy of Canadian and Russian borders). Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 12:55, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

By the way
What ever happened with this? Did the editor withdraw the offer or did you decline to try?--Isotope23 talk 18:52, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Fort Astoria
I noticed you added a category to the above. I was wondering what source you were using as it is not mentioned in the article that the fort is part of some sort of registry. I am wondering if it is supposed to be Fort Clatsop that includes a replica and is a NPS site? Thanks. Aboutmovies 21:37, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks for the webpage. I added the info to the article. Aboutmovies 22:12, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

MN state parks
I am trying to get List of Minnesota state parks to Featured List status. Would you like to try and write a history paragraph? It looks like this is the only book resource and there isn't much online so I expect it would be pretty short, but any help would be great. :) I made a little commented out TODO section on the article. I just need to finish all of the "remarks" sections and convert all the links to refs (maybe). -Ravedave 04:52, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Looks like you got beat :) Also, the ship pictures = awesome. -Ravedave 02:49, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Duluth sites
Hey thanks. Here's the first for your editing pleasure: Historic Central High School (Duluth). Do you have any new courthouses for our collection (Category:Courthouses of Minnesota)?--Appraiser 19:32, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Do you want the licenses to be like this?--Appraiser 21:18, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Thomas Wilson (shipwreck)
I added a couple of pics to the article, and a comment on the talk, that she is named for McDougall's mentor might be worth a mention in the article, what do you think? ++Lar: t/c 23:35, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I saw your note on the talk page there. I was sort of wondering if the ship was named after Thomas Wilson (Minnesota), a legislator, but it turns out that he was from Winona, Minnesota, much further south in the state.  I think it would be fine to mention that the ship is named for McDougall's mentor.
 * As far as the pictures go, I think it would be great to include them in the article. However, the Minnesota Historical Society Copyright and Use Information page says that images reproduced from their collections are for viewing and personal use only, and that any commercial use requires a request for permission and possibly a payment.  But it also says, "The nature of historical archival collections means that copyright or other information about restrictions may be difficult to determine."  I'm not sure if that means they can't claim copyright on other people's images (especially if the copyright has expired, as is surely the case with the Wilson images).  Nevertheless, their copyright and use information statement has dissuaded me from using pictures from their site.  It's too bad, because I'd love to use some of their historical photos in Wikipedia articles.  It'd be nice if Wikipedia had some sort of agreement with the Historical Society where we could use their photos, but that would take more negotiation than I'm capable of.  --Elkman (Elkspeak) 03:19, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I might mention, the caveats on historical archives collections apply only to those works that are copyrighted. If you can prove that an image is free use, you are under no obligation to follow what they say, they are generally just covering their bases. Now the origin of an image can be difficult to determine but a little legwork and pouring over old books can usually determine it, I have found anyway. That being said, I think you earned this:

IvoShandor 08:01, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I may note, that the current information on the images' origin is not going to be good enough for Commons, creation doesn't necessarily mean publication. It has to be proven that it was published before 1923 for PD to be applicable. IvoShandor 08:03, 18 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your concern, IvoShandor. I'm an admin on Commons, familiar with licensing requirements, and I'm comfortable these images are going to be fine. Since this is a current DYK nom, it seemed a good idea to get the images into the article, as the capstan, however remarkable (and that Elkman went and got it himself... (did you use an underwater camera??) adds even more), doesn't really convey much information about the uniqueness of this ship and its design. ++Lar: t/c 16:15, 18 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I used an underwater housing for my existing digital camera. I don't have a fancy setup yet, but it works for what I've been using it for.  (A couple other divers on the boat had pretty extensive setups, with large strobes and weird positioning devices.  One of them had so much equipment that it took a small suitcase to carry it all.)  I've wanted to dive those wrecks ever since I got my certification last fall.  I'm hoping to do the Madeira and the Hesper sometime this fall, and I'd like to visit the others on the Lake Superior Shipwrecks on the National Register if any of the shops run tours to them.  (Except the Onoko, which is too deep for recreational diving.)
 * I have several other pictures from this dive as well, so I could put some of them into the article. Also, Lar, thanks for the reassurance about the licensing for the MNHS pictures.  --Elkman (Elkspeak) 17:09, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Your article inspired me... I did some tinkering with the whaleback article to tighten it up, as well as the SS Meteor and then pounded out Christopher Columbus (whaleback) ... hopefully two whaleback articles up at nearly the same time won't be too big a deal. I was always fond of whalebacks as a boy and had forgotten all about them. The Wilson went down not far from the place of her birth since she was built in Superior. My researches gave me enough material to do an article on McDougall and his company American Steel Barge Company as well, if I get inspired. And congrats on the barnstar, it's definitely earned. ++Lar: t/c 00:19, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Lar-cool, as long as you know what's going on, I didn't mean to be condescending or anything just noting a concern. I agree the old picture adds quite a bit to the article.
 * Elkman-Awesome. I think I am probably too afraid of deep water to do that, and I am a good swimmer, stupid pointless fears! IvoShandor 00:47, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Top Importance Chicago articles
As an honorary Chicagoan you may want to come cast your vote here for WikiProject_Chicago/Assessment.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 01:22, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

My plan
Based upon the discussion and kind words offered by you and others my plan is to do these things:
 * Edit less than normal, for awhile anyway.
 * Contribute less to discussion pages in the WP namespace, (save those discussions I am involved in currently)
 * Try not to let Wikipedia upset me so much (which it does at times and my edits reflect it, i.e. I become rather hostile towards some people)
 * Try to remember just how shitty of a school Northern Illinois University is, and that the president there is more likely to have graduated from Hollywood Upstairs Medical College than anywhere else.

IvoShandor 07:54, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Proposal for a WikiProject on King Crimson
Leave your name here if you're interested. Also, I'd like to thank you specifically for supporting the FA candidacy. -h i s  s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 15:02, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Adminship
So... Are you still thinking about it? I could nominate you, and write a convincing nomination, after skimming through your last 1000 edits and seeing your recent discussion with Isotope (and seeing you in action on a fairly regular basis.)  Grand  master  ka  10:07, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm interested. I've been thinking I should go ahead with it, since there are always pages at Special:Newpages that merit speedy deletion.  (People write articles about their friends or their garage bands all the time.)  Also, I wouldn't have to make requests like this one, where a protected redirect to a deleted article should have been deleted.  --Elkman (Elkspeak) 12:57, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Go for it. You might also be interested in visiting User:AlexNewArtBot/BadLog once a day.  It is always filled with good candidates for "Speedys"--Appraiser 13:02, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Here you go! I think you know what to do. Don't forget to change the ending date and time to seven days after you add it to WP:RFA. Grand  master  ka  06:17, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks...
...for the revert. I've sent him to AIV. -- Finngall <font color="#D4A017">talk  21:37, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Zlclarck
Indeed, the Federer diff was a fairly standard case of BLP vandalism and not one of those "block-on-sight" things. But I blocked Zlcarck based also on his previous history of vandalism and his deleted contribs which you can't see right now. Still, in the rationale for the block, I thought it made sense to stress the Federer incident because it is probably his most serious offense and it was the most recent. Cheers, Pascal.Tesson 15:29, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Soon-to-be-admin
Since you appear to be an upcoming admin, I have a question. I tagged List of Swedish Swimming Championships champions with "prod" (which was later changed to an AfD - probably a good thing) because it was a large list with absolutely no verbiage about the topic. Now there is a short lead. My concerns seem to be the minority view. I'm wondering if I'm really way in left field, and even whether I should bother to continue to patrol for AfDs. I'd appreciate your input-especially about my philoshphy about what an encyclopedic List article should contain. Thanks.--Appraiser 13:43, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Sometimes, it's hard to tell what are suitable criteria for a list. The standards keep evolving, and consensus can change.  There have been a lot of list articles on AFD lately, though they're often along the lines of List of fictional characters who can manipulate sound.  (I can manipulate sound, too.  I do it every time I turn on my stereo.)  I think if I had questions about whether an article was AFD-worthy or not, I'd check out some similar articles and see if they've survived an AFD before, and I'd also check out similar discussions currently at AFD.  For example, Articles for deletion/List of types of cricket delivery is looking like it will be deleted.  In the case of List of Swedish Swimming Championships champions, the other editor could have simply removed the prod tag, but he thought it needed some discussion.
 * On a side note, according to the list, tennis star Björn Borg appears to have won the 400m freestyle in 1936, 1937, 1938, 1940, and 1941, even though he wasn't born until 1956. Now that's talent. --Elkman (Elkspeak) 14:55, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations
Congratulations not only on achieving a well-deserved position as an administrator, but also for the way you handled the process. Best wishes, Kablammo 16:11, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Congratulations, you are now an administrator! If you haven't already, now is the time look through the Administrators' how-to guide and Administrators' reading list. If you have any questions, feel free to ask me, or at the Administrators' noticeboard. Warofdreams talk 16:14, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Congrats! Now get to work! --<font color="blue" face="Times new roman" size="3">Hirohisat <font color="green" face="Times new roman">Kiwi 16:50, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks, all. I'm going to celebrate by going up to Two Harbors, Minnesota to take pictures of the Madeira (shipwreck), and hopefully the Hesper as well.  Maybe a courthouse or two, as well.  --Elkman (Elkspeak) 19:19, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * They're just wet junk. Go see the America or Emperor instead.  Kablammo 19:53, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Looks like I missed your RFA, but I'll offer my congratulations as well. G'luck, Elkman! :) Firsfron of Ronchester  20:01, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Congrats! You should be able to get some deciduous tree leaf changing this weekend as well.  See if you can get a picture to replace this dark one: Image:Storefronts TwoHarborsMN.jpg.--Appraiser 20:43, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * If you happen to see a flag of the city of Duluth, we could use a picture of one of those too.--Appraiser 00:51, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Congrats. Grand  master  ka  21:50, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Let me add my congratulations to a deserving admin. --TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 14:18, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations!
Hey there, Congratulations on becoming an administrator. Obviously, it is unlikely that you will know how to use the tools at first and mistakes are bound to happen, so if you would like to practice using them, with step by step guides to follow, in an environement that you can do no harm in, then why not pop down to the new admin school where we have pages on blocking, deleting and restoring pages, protecting and unprotecting pages and viewing deleted pages. Once again, congratulations and best of luck with the tools.  Ry an P os tl et hw ai te  16:41, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Aqueduct
Not mine. -- Y not? 21:47, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Rouse Simmons
I actually read that article awhile back and have linked it from the Christmas tree cultivation article. Very interesting indeed. It will probably merit a mention in the History of Christmas tree cultivation, which isn't quite complete. Apparently, from what I have read, these "Christmas tree ships" were pretty common. It seems there may also be more than one shipwreck known by that name, not sure though. IvoShandor 11:24, 11 September 2007 (UTC)