User talk:Elkman/Archive9

Question I can't find an answer to
I am too trying to find out why my soccer teams page keeps getting deleted!!! Roverthepond on behalf of Ball Busters FC (ballbustersfc@gmail.com)

Hi, I'm trying to do an entry about a band, but I don't understand what is required for asserting signifigance (CSD A7 (Band)). Does it require tags, or simply content in the entry..?? Sorry about the hassel, tried searching but having a hard time finding out. Thanks! --JamesSB (talk) 00:16, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, Appreciate that!--JamesSB (talk) 21:43, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

United States gravity control propulsion initiative
Thank you for the Did You Know notice. It was an extremely pleasant surprise! Tcisco (talk) 19:37, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip!
Thanks so much for the tip on Special:Unwatchedpages - I was pretty sure I had read about it somewhere, but I am not sure I would have ever found it on my own. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 13:48, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Welcome back
I hope you had a splendid vacation. Did you get anything for new articles? If you don't mind, could you take a look at Tim Pawlenty? Perhaps some compromise language would satisfy everyone involved. Thanks.--Appraiser (talk) 13:51, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I worked on getting some pictures for NRHP properties in Florida (between Tampa and Crystal River and inland to Inverness). But then I checked on the existing articles, and it turns out that Ebyabe has taken pictures of virtually all the relevant properties already.  The guy's productive, that's for sure :-)  I visited Henry B. Plant Museum (with pretty spectacular architecture), Ybor City, Homosassa Springs Wildlife State Park, Tarpon Springs Historic District, and more.  Actually, the whole point of the vacation was to do a bunch of inline skating, which I did plenty of along the Withlacoochee State Trail, Upper Tampa Bay Trail, and the Pinellas Trail.  It was a good trip.  --Elkman (Elkspeak) 13:45, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Welcome back
Welcome back. Elkman and Appraiser, could you possibly help me with the user who has been escalating and is now prolonging whatever on the talk page of Star Tribune? -Susanlesch (talk) 16:22, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I've looked into the situation at Talk:Star Tribune, but I can't really come up with any particular "right" or "wrong" answer about the dispute at hand. I will suggest, however, that you might be taking the dispute rather personally when it isn't meant to be a personal issue or attack against your editing.  There's room for reasoned discussion on these issues, and I think that just about any article on Wikipedia can be made stronger if the viewpoints of multiple editors are considered and a consensus is built.  It's not always an easy process, and it might be frustrating when things don't go the way you want them to, but it doesn't pay to take things personally.  --Elkman (Elkspeak) 00:03, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Easy for you to say. I could have dropped dead of a heart attack. No I am not kidding. -Susanlesch (talk) 00:40, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Yesterday 25 pigeons flew over and landed on the National Pheasant Fest 25th Anniversary billboard on 50th Street and Xerxes Avenue in southwest Minneapolis, Minnesota. An exaggeration and I spilled hot cocoa on my winter coat which will now need to be dry cleaned. So the net cost of this incident is neglible, weighed in the balance of all things you see. Users Angela and SilkTork took care of this, with some help from Users Bobak, SEWilco and Appraiser and a cast of Lord, or Lady, or Whatever one may prefer, knows how many billion people. When I was your age this was called the Butterfly effect, a relative of chaos theory and zero population growth which at the time was known as ZPG. But you would have no way to know this, Elkman. Nor that one US letter Canon print of this photo was a prize for one of the recipients of Best Editor of All Time. That's ok? -Susanlesch (talk) 14:01, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I want to know more about the best phone call of all time :). And Susan, I want you to know that you are appreciated. Please don't have a heart attack over anything going on here.  You are a value to our community.--Appraiser (talk) 15:13, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Likewise I am sure. So when does who nominate you for administrator, Appraiser? -Susanlesch (talk) 16:59, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for supporting my RFA
Just so you know I am still working on articles, see Snyder Middleswarth Natural Area (not done) thnaks again, Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 21:42, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Abuse of Admin rights
You are awarded one count of abuse of admin rights as you banned a user outright for three days. (Re: Virus affecting crew members in Korea Oil Spill). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.7.202.227 (talk • contribs) 01:30, 18 December 2007

St. Anthony Laboratory
Hello, Elkman. Today a young woman at the laboratory said that a tour might be arranged sometime in the future. I wonder, would you and whomever and Appraiser and whomever and whomever else I didn't get a chance to speak to at the Minnesota Wikipedia meetup would be interested? I will be in Minneapolis until mid-January. -Susanlesch (talk) 20:28, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Changed my mind. I think the three of us should go, if that is possible (unlikely) and all right with you and Appraiser. They said they opened in the 1930s. By the way, today the Mississippi looked like it was flowing upstream, but maybe it looks that way every day? Link to the laboratory. -Susanlesch (talk) 08:05, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * That tour sounds like it would be interesting, so count me in. Let me know when you can get something set up. As for the Mississippi flowing upstream, that might be an optical illusion, but if the falls reversed direction and flowed upward, that would be big news and I'd love to see it.  :)  --Elkman (Elkspeak) 13:21, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Wow I forgot that term, yes it must have been an optical illusion. Thanks. -Susanlesch (talk) 10:33, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Block
Hey, so in blocking some vandal, you blocked the IP that he/she was logged in on, even though they were registered, and I wound up getting a block, for using a computer at the same library. Isn't there some way to allow established registered users to use an IP even if some jerk is messing it up? It's frustrating to think that now I have a block on my log because of somebody else. Murderbike (talk) 21:54, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey, the blocked was User:JrsportsfanatikII. Where would I put that "unblock" template? Will I be able to put that somewhere if I'm blocked from editing? Murderbike (talk) 22:24, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Cool, thanks a lot!!! Murderbike (talk) 22:31, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

DRV subpage move
Thanks for fixing my error in moving the Barbara Schwarz review to the proper subpage. Damn laptop keyboard... ~ trialsanderrors (talk) 15:54, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Fitger
Were you hoarding that picture? :) I suppose I should peruse your Flickr account.  Thanks.--Appraiser (talk) 23:33, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Frtg66678
Something needs to be done about this guy. Even if he leaves this matter to rest, I doubt he will stop acting like this completely. He will just find other people to "warn". I've reverted enough vandalism and have fought enough vandals to know they don't just pack up and quit.

What do you suggest? -- Xompanthy (talk) 17:29, 24 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Ah, good. I was getting tired. You made the right decision, he was a blatant vandal. That coal picture made chuckle though :). Happy holidays to you to man! -- Xompanthy (talk) 18:04, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year
Dear Elkman, I wanted to wish you a very Merry Christmas and all the best for the New Year! Yours, Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 22:36, 24 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Nice picture of the hotel - thanks. I am working on a National Historic Landmark with User:Awadewit (who is doing most of the work)(see Joseph Priestley House for my pics of it, but not much in the way of Christmas decorations). Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 04:45, 27 December 2007 (UTC)



Season's Greetings
Season's Greetings from my hometown, Minneapolis, Minnesota. Boy times have changed since, I think it was about 1994. So much overhead to lug around, but nothing the woman I met in the San Diego DMV couldn't write around in about 2 seconds with something called "ST Include" for Windows. Only kidding, I forgot the program's name but writing around an operating system would be quite easy for someone who completed studies in India recently. Best wishes for the new year from someone who recognizes your name from Wikipedia. And you helped me so much in about one email. -Susanlesch (talk) 19:47, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

well can you please
watch the famous Dr. Nat? link deleted. Dr Nat (talk) 18:15, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I already did, in the process of checking out the claimed copyright violation. I was unimpressed.  --Elkman (Elkspeak) 19:14, 28 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Heh that's not me either. Dr Nat (talk) 19:22, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

link deleted again —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr Nat (talk • contribs) 19:32, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't post your link again on my talk page -- or anywhere. I don't post encyclopedia articles as comments on your YouTube account, so why are you posting your links on my page?  --Elkman (Elkspeak) 19:37, 28 December 2007 (UTC)


 * You don't know my youtube account. Dr Nat (talk) 19:45, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Can I create an encyclopedia article on the video? I don't know how to use this website properly. Dr Nat (talk) 19:53, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

IP rangeblock
Elkman, I was looking into the situation that you posted at ANI and I'm a little concerned. I'm not sure why this IP was blocked for sockpuppetry in the first place - editing while not logged in is specifically allowed by the Meta privacy policy. Has this person been blocked over a content dispute? I'm also concerned about this edit, which doesn't seem oriented toward smoothing over a dispute. Also, could you specify the "harrassment" and trolling you cited when you protected the talk page? Videmus Omnia Talk  06:39, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

December 2007
in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make constructive contributions. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text below.


 * Also, I should get a clue about 7-1-1 (it's important) and the Peavey-Haglin Experimental Concrete Grain Elevator (it's unimportant and nobody cares). --Elkman (Elkspeak) 07:53, 31 December 2007 (UTC)


 * What on Earth or you doing? Are you trying to prove some sort of point? Blocking yourself in this manner will make people think you are crazy and could quite possibly lead to you losing your admin bit. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 08:05, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Hey ... I know this stuff can be stressful. Please understand that nobody is "taking sides" or saying that you are wrong or about justifying the actions of a disruptive user. This was purely about the technical feasibility of maintaining a range block on a large range of IPs. Please understand that you are a valued administrator and a disagreement over a technobabble isn't something to take personally. I know that dealing with disruptive users or with people who are just here with an ax to grind can be stressful. --B (talk) 08:14, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Whack yourself with a Wet Trout all you like, but B is correct.--Hu12 (talk) 08:19, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Deletion review of DJ Wonder
An editor has asked for a deletion review of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DJ_Wonder. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Gaslucky (talk) 15:10, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Can't help with that until tomorrow. See the block above, especially in relation to cyber-bullying, harassment, and provoking other editors.  --Elkman (Elkspeak) 16:11, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Ear available
I don't think we know each other. Is there any matter you need help with? LessHeard vanU (talk) 17:35, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Disputed fair use rationale for Image:EPMNlogo.jpg
Thanks for uploading Image:EPMNlogo.jpg. However, there is a concern that the rationale you have provided for using this image under "fair use" may be invalid. Please read the instructions at Non-free content carefully, then go to the image description page and clarify why you think the image qualifies for fair use. Using one of the templates at Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to ensure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If it is determined that the image does not qualify under fair use, it will be deleted within a couple of days according to our criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thank you.BetacommandBot (talk) 06:02, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Since I don't want to get in trouble with bots (or humans), and since the articles (Eden Prairie, Minnesota and List of cities in Minnesota) could survive without the image, I just went ahead and deleted the image. --Elkman (Elkspeak) 14:19, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for a seamless Ethics move. Be well.Pontiff Greg Bard (talk) 01:10, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Question on images
Are these images wiki-legal? The photo credit on them says they're from the USDA Forest Service but the source is not a government server (or is it?). Thanks for any input! Gopher backer (talk) 04:30, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The text on that page says, "You are welcome to use these images, however, you may not use them for any commercial purposes." Technically, I don't think Pacific Northwest National Incident Management Team 2 can claim copyright on government photos, but I think the lines are blurry since they're making a request like this.  In other words, I don't think Wikipedia can directly use these photos with the text given on their web site.  I would consider writing to the PNW Team 2 webmaster to ask if they'd grant permission.  You could explain to them that Wikipedia and its mirrors won't be reselling the photos for profit, and/or you could mention that they shouldn't be claiming copyright on government works anyway.  Or, you could contact the Forest Service directly to see if those photos are available through a channel other than the PNW Team 2 web site.  --Elkman (Elkspeak) 05:41, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It looks to me like the National Interagency Fire Center is made up of 13 federal agencies and one non-profit . Because of the non-profit, I would say that the website is not a "government server." However, if a specific photograph is from the USDA, we should be able to use it, regardless of where it's downloaded from (IMO).--Appraiser (talk) 14:41, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Fix to my Talk page
Thank you for that, it WAS getting a bit annoying I know. Edit Centric (talk) 05:52, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Lunch Sunday
Hello, Elkman. Welcome back? Do you and Appraiser have time for lunch Sunday? La Cucaracha in Saint Paul just off Grand Avenue or in Minneapolis somewhere in the West Side Milling District or near the University. I can tolerate more people but four max. I don't think I will make it back to the Pillsbury waterfront anytime soon. -Susanlesch (talk) 17:42, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I could do anytime after 1 PM tomorrow. Minneapolis is more convenient for me than St. Paul, but I'm fairly flexible as far as restaurant choices go.  --Elkman (Elkspeak) 18:08, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I will be offline without a computer until then and at Market Bar-B-Que at 2:00 pm. Not everyone's favorite but a safe spot and they have a jukebox. 1414 Nicollet Avenue Minneapolis 55403. (612) 872-1111 -Susanlesch (talk) 18:42, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Cali NHLs
See LeConte Memorial Lodge for another option. :) --Ebyabe (talk) 20:29, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry. I was venting.
That WR thread was during the block. Pay no more heed to it. 67.135.49.211 (talk) 05:22, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Elkman NRHP infobx generator
Might be nice to leave a pointer in the infobox about the automatic creator. Those of us who do this type of article on an occasional basis usually just do a copy and paste to seed the article. I did not know about the generator till today and I have created a slew of articles. Thanks. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:57, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Conservapedia
Are you the same User:Elkman who is posting on Conservapedia? There have been instances of impersonation of Wikipedia users there and I wanted to verify that it is indeed you. StaticElectric (talk) 23:40, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Since I found out I was being complained about at, I registered an account there to explain the charges. So, yeah, that's me.  --Elkman (Elkspeak) 23:48, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Wylie township
Thanks for your help! Greatly appreciated!Acuhill (talk) 03:12, 8 January 2008 (UTC)acuhill

Reversed speedy deletion request
I don't appreciate one bit what you tried to do. You don't like the original explanation, then ask a question and don't just go undoing it. As an administrator, you shouldn't have to be told something fundamental like that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by The Founders Intent (talk • contribs) 03:34, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I didn't request a move, I requested a deletion. Next time I'll write a big long article about how I'd like a page deleted. OMG, is there someone else that can help me, I surely pray there is.-- T HE F OUNDERS I NTENT  TALK 03:40, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Unblock
Glad to see you unblocked Appraiser (collateral damage from an IP block). That's the third block today, which has to be frustrating as he is up for adminship and continues to edit as well. While you were doing that I was composing a message to a talk page where the block of the other users was discussed,, which I posted before I noticed your unblock. If the matter is now resolved could you note that there, or wherever it should be noted? (As two prior unblocks did not seem to stick perhaps the problem will recur.) Thank you. Kablammo (talk) 19:46, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Hopefully, Elkman did it better than I did, although it may be that the hardblock on Happy Couple2 needs to be adjusted, or that Happy Couple2 keeps trying to log in.   Acroterion  (talk)  19:53, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I unblocked and reblocked without the autoblock option on.  I think that should take care of things.  The autoblock option on the block of Happy Couple2 means that if anyone else tries to edit anonymously from that IP address, then the IP will be blocked.  Then, next time Appraiser tries to edit, the IP block will keep him from doing so.
 * Yeah, I wasn't sure if unblocking Appraiser's autoblock created an exemption for him - obviously not. Thanks for fixing it.    Acroterion  (talk)  20:01, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * By the way, Kablammo, have you ever thought about adminship? I think you'd do well at it.  --Elkman (Elkspeak) 19:56, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks to all 3 of you. I haven't had to do much wrt my RfA, but when I'm editing I often have multiple tabs open with "pending changes" in each one, and when a block appears, it's difficult to preserve all the changes if it isn't lifted soon. Also, when verifying/editing large lists, I depend on the browser link color-change that occurs when I visit a link, so returning to the task on another day might well cause me to lose track of what I've covered. So I appreciate your prompt attention.--Appraiser (talk) 20:28, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Museums in Minnesota navigation bar
Please take a look at    T ableM anners U·T·C 06:54, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

*sheepish grin*
Eek - sorry about this! Dihydrogen Monoxide 00:15, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Recent change to Template:Infobox nrhp
It looks like your most recent change to Template:Infobox nrhp adds both "Category:National Historic Landmark in X" and "Category:National Historic Landmark of the United States". If I'm reading it correctly, I think the latter should be deleted, since all of the state Landmark categories are already subcategories of the United States one. Am I understanding it correctly?--Appraiser (talk) 21:54, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Could you give me an example of a page where this is happening? I'm guessing it could be one of the following:
 * The template hasn't been reparsed for that article yet.
 * The article still contains the category Category:National Historic Landmarks of the United States.
 * The locmapin= template isn't set within the infobox.
 * I just tried creating a dummy article (using the infobox for the Calhoun Beach Club, but falsifying the type as NHL) and it put it in Category:National Historic Landmarks in Minnesota, but not in Category:National Historic Landmarks of the United States. Try rechecking these suggestions again, and if you still have problems, I'll check them out.  --Elkman (Elkspeak) 23:12, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I was looking at Gerrit Smith Estate, which doesn't have a locmapin. But the Category:National Historic Landmarks of the United States is added. Is that due to your recent change in the template?--Appraiser (talk) 23:27, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I updated Gerrit Smith Estate to include the locmapin=New York parameter, and it shows up in the correct category now. And you're right, it's due to my recent change in the template.  Would it be better if I avoided categorizing articles as being National Historic Landmarks unless the locmapin= parameter is specified?  I could do that, but then someone would have to go back and either specify locmapin= or categorize the articles manually into NHL-state-specific categories.  What are your thoughts?  --Elkman (Elkspeak) 23:35, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Can you just have it never automatically add Category:National Historic Landmarks of the United States? This morning there are ~600 individual articles in that category, almost all of which are repeated in their respective state landmark categories. Thanks--Appraiser (talk) 13:34, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I've removed the categorization that was putting everything into Category:National Historic Landmarks of the United States if nhl was specified but locmapin wasn't specified. I'm hoping this will solve the problem.  --Elkman (Elkspeak) 14:28, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. You are right though; each NHL article will have to be looked at to make sure it is in a state landmark category. Actually, some of them don't have NRHP infoboxes, and so wouldn't be able to key off of the type=nhl parameter either.--Appraiser (talk) 15:14, 17 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi Elkman, I found a couple of new problems:


 * 1) In Georgia (U.S. state) the locmapin parameter is adding Category:National Historic Landmarks in Georgia, instead of Category:National Historic Landmarks in Georgia (U.S. state). e.g. Bellevue (LaGrange, Georgia)
 * 2) Because New York City has over 100 nhls, a separate sub-category exists for NYC landmarks. The locmapin=New York parameter adds Category:National Historic Landmarks in New York, a parent category of Category:National Historic Landmarks in New York City. So, the site is covered twice in the parent category.  e.g. Quarters A, Brooklyn Navy Yard.
 * Could we just have it not automatically add these categories?--Appraiser (talk) 20:10, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I've made those updates. Actually, I was able to classify NHLs in Georgia into Category:National Historic Landmarks in Georgia (U.S. state).  (As opposed to all of the National Historic Landmarks in the former Soviet republic of Georgia... oh, wait.)  I removed the categorization from those in New York.  --Elkman (Elkspeak) 22:48, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks; that looks good.--Appraiser (talk) 14:56, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: Welcome notice
Thank you for the information you put on my talk page, I am sure I will find it useful. Hennessey, Patrick (talk) 03:11, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

I did not
Appreciate your prompt deletion of the category Fictional messiahs before I even had chance to defend it. Perhaps in future you would care to give the creators of perfectly meaningful categories time to defend the fruit of their labour before eradicating it. --Illustrious One (talk) 16:04, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

locmapin
Would you know how to add locmapin to Template:Infobox Protected area? I think that is a super feature of the nrhp template and it bugs me when I see maps like the one in Horseshoe Bend National Military Park that don't have it. Thanks.--Appraiser (talk) 17:24, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm going to check out the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Protected areas and see what they think. It looks like there's been some discussion of using state templates, like the one in Infobox nrhp, but I want to make sure they're on board with this idea first.  --Elkman (Elkspeak) 17:28, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks--Appraiser (talk) 18:46, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

North Community High School and KBEM-FM
Thank you for fixing that error. Do you know the current status of the station's contract? The KBEM-FM article is out of date and needs to be updated with that information. Eóin (talk) 03:06, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Half-Breed Tract
Thanks for the reference that source Elkman - that's spectacular. Keep me in mind if you come across anything else that is that relevant. • Freechild   'sup?   11:31, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Our Lady of Lourdes Catholic Church
Hello, Elkman. I was overjoyed to see the NRHP contributing property box back because I thought that the Minnesota Historical Society had updated their database. But I don't think they did. If you have a moment could you look at the church's entry on the MNHS 85 properties list? I don't see any update that would change the List of contributing properties in the St. Anthony Falls Historic District. As background, when you discovered that it is not a landmark I checked with MNHS and as I recall they said they would look into updating their list, and take a look at the church in particular. Sorry I have forgotten now if I called them or wrote email. But in any case the "National Register Contribution" for the church remains blank. It doesn't say N or Y. -Susanlesch (talk) 12:22, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The MNHS list is a bit ambiguous, it seems. I don't know why some entries are blank and some say "Y" or "N".  (I don't think there's some sort of intermediate variable, like "maybe".)  I couldn't find documentation online to say that Our Lady of Lourdes is definitely on the list of contributing properties.  On the other hand, the AIA Guide to the Twin Cities says it's on the National Register.  I'm going to assume for now that it indeed is on the National Register as a contributing property.  The entries in that list seem to say "N" for buildings built after the 1940s, or for buildings and structures that have been severely altered since their construction, and neither of those apply to Our Lady of Lourdes. I know for sure that it isn't a National Historic Landmark, though.  (A National Historic Landmark is a designation for properties of exceptional historic value, such as the Pillsbury "A" Mill, Washburn "A" Mill, James J. Hill House, and Fort Snelling.  I hope this helps.  --Elkman (Elkspeak) 21:20, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Glad you have an AIA book. I wrote to Ms. Roth at MNHS and asked if 1) the blanks are all contributing properties, and 2) if there is another online source. -Susanlesch (talk) 00:50, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, the church ought to be a "Y". So should the Ard Godfrey house, so this list of 85 is too short, at minimum in these two important cases and likely in others. As of today no update, so no source, yet though maybe "quarterly". Thank you again. -Susanlesch (talk) 20:56, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The steam plant might be another one. Then I would truly be overjoyed. We'll see. -Susanlesch (talk) 21:02, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

NPWatcher thanks
Thanks for approving us! The interface is pretty nice, but so focussed on just one task. My wife and I are planning to work on more of a javascript version of these tools. We really like Lupin's patrols, and have been looking for fresh ideas along those lines. Thanks again! JackSchmidt (talk) 20:52, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

MSP railroads
Per your suggestion a while ago, I had a crack at a template for Railroads in Minneapolis St. Paul, based off the Template:Omaha Railroads template. Any thoughts before I go any further? User:Group29/msprailroads --- Group29 (talk) 22:54, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

RFA thanks
 .: RFA thanks :.

Minneapolis meetup photos
Hello, Elkman. If you have photos of the meetup at Pracna on Main could you kindly send them to me by email or upload them? Did you take any or hand off your camera? I thought I asked before but can't recall. Thanks. -Susanlesch (talk) 20:52, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry I didn't get back to you right away -- in the confusion of getting back from vacation, I overlooked your question. I have two pictures from the interior of Pracna on Main, but nothing from the outside.  I uploaded Image:Mpls Meetup 2007.jpg at the time.  Is that what you're looking for, or were you looking for an outside picture?
 * Also, I have some additional pictures from a walking tour that I did with my inline skate club in early January. We did an architectural tour around areas on the east side of St. Anthony Falls and on Nicollet Island.  I could upload them if you think they might be useful.  (In fact, I could upload them regardless.)  --Elkman (Elkspeak) 17:30, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Inside, outside, any and all photos you have time to upload are wonderful. -Susanlesch (talk) 07:15, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

February 2008
Please stop. If you ever flood a Canon Digital IXUS and demolish it with salt water again, you will be blocked from editing. Elkman (Elkspeak) 22:31, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Did the CF card live through the dunking?   Acroterion  (talk)  22:43, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Woops now Canon QA got that too. -Susanlesch (talk) 23:02, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure I'm willing to talk about this. I destroyed a camera because I was too clumsy to get the waterproof case to work.  I screwed up, and I screwed up big time.  Then again, IT APPARENTLY DOESN'T MATTER TO ME IF I SCREW UP.  If I cared about it, I wouldn't screw up, would I?  --Elkman (Elkspeak) 23:35, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Out of respect I will try to refrain from posting here again in February 2008 and remove a Canon sign on my commons users page. Hoping for your speedy recovery and maybe an idea of the ship where this happened. -Susanlesch (talk) 22:34, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The problem isn't with Canon at all. They make very good cameras and underwater camera housings.  The problem is that I failed to close and latch the camera housing properly.  (I thought I had closed it correctly, but on the way down I noticed it was flooding, and I checked and found that the latch had opened up.)  I need to pay attention to what I'm doing.  --Elkman (Elkspeak) 23:15, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

RE: Template Sandbox
Hey, thanks for the message on my talk, however, I think you should know that the anon (actually it's anons as they are all obviously the same person/terminal) have been consistently blanking templates X1-X9. This is the third time it's happened. A sockpuppet case was opened by myself for this reason, and one IP was already blocked by such behavior. The recent IP was already given a final warning for this reason. Thanks! Wisdom89  ( T |undefined /  C ) 16:28, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

The Man who was Tuesday
Why is this invalid? The user has been constantly (after 2 warnings) removing an afd (on Wizzard (band)) with qualifying its removal! Btline (talk) 23:08, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

dilution
Thankyou for your solution of dilution at Thuja occidentalis :-) cygnis insignis 01:21, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you also. I loved your edit summary ! -- Levine2112 discuss 02:37, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

List of Chicago Landmarks
I am revising List of Chicago Landmarks for new designations since July 2003. You will see many redlinks that need articles if we want to retain WP:FL status. For details of the update that is underway see the talk page. Please help out and create some articles.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 04:44, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I have finished adding all the new Chicago Landmarks. Can you check if any of them are NRHPs.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 18:19, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot. I am confused about the Marshall Field's NHL status.  I had thought the Loop Retail District was NHRP, but could not find the building on the NHRP.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 00:12, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The Marshall Field's store on 111 N. State St. is on the National Register, with listing #78001123. In fact, it's a National Historic Landmark, as listed in this list of National Historic Landmarks in Illinois.  Loop Retail Historic District is listed on the National Register as follows:

I don't know if there's already an article on the Loop Retail Historic District, but this is what the NRIS says about it anyway. --Elkman (Elkspeak) 03:32, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I think my mistake was searching for Marshall Field's instead of Marshall Field in your NRHP tool.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 19:33, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

NRHP coords
You mentioned NRHP coords. Maybe you are not aware of the existing list. -- SEWilco (talk) 21:44, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Cretaceous steppes from karagana
Just to point out, my PROD wasn't concerning notability, it was concerning a copyvio - the text has been translated using a rather bad translator from Russian into English, as can be seen on all the articles the author has created today. - Fritzpoll (talk) 13:57, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Fort Snelling
Hi, I'm going to suggest creating List of Registered Historic Places in Dakota County, Minnesota as a model for these articles in the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places, since about half of the articles have been written. Fort Snelling is on the list. I don't know if that is considered to be part of Hennepin County or not, but I'm fairly certain it's not in Dakota County. Do you know why it's there?--Appraiser (talk) 14:49, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't really know why it's listed as being in Dakota County, unless there are contributing properties on the Mendota side of the river. That's certainly possible.  The Mary Ann Nord book I have, The National Register of Historic Places in Minnesota, lists Fort Snelling Historic District as being both in Dakota County and Hennepin County.  So maybe that's the key: it's a historic district, not just a single structure. Also, I'm thinking we could probably split off Hennepin County and Ramsey County into separate lists, since they're starting to get a little big for the main List of Registered Historic Places in Minnesota article.  --Elkman (Elkspeak) 15:13, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It's possible that Pike Island is in Dakota County, but I think the entry should be moved to Hennepin County.
 * Based on what other people in the project are doing, I definitely think it makes sense to break the state list into county lists.--Appraiser (talk) 16:21, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
 * USGS has Pike Island in Ramsey County. Kablammo (talk) 18:58, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. That map shows Picnic Island as being in Dakota County.  I think that's where the Indian internment camp was following the Dakota War of 1862, which lends some credence for showing the fort all three counties.--Appraiser (talk) 21:40, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Correction: Picnic Island is where "New Hope" was constructed as a staging area for materials for Ft. Snelling. Do you happen to have a picture from Picnic Island? P.S. I was just about to add this] to List of threatened historic sites in the United States, but I see you just added one. A friend of mine is going to ship to Iraq soon and his company did "urban combat training" in and around some of these buildings.--Appraiser (talk) 15:46, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I might have a picture or two of Picnic Island, but I'd have to check. I was taking pictures of the Mendota Bridge one day, and both of those pictures I took were from Picnic Island.  I think I was more interested in getting pictures of the bridge, not the island, and I doubt I have any pictures of any historic structures.  (Are there any historic structures on the island?)  As far as the upper post goes, I took several pictures of the abandoned buildings at the upper post on Sunday, so I could upload more of them.  --Elkman (Elkspeak) 15:56, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for
your work with DYK (including mine...). Take care, HG | Talk 22:18, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Blocked editor hasn't learned his lesson
Hi, you recently blocked User:Harrisonlatour for uploading copyright material and making politically motivated edits to a biographical article. I'm afraid he's at it again (same reason - it's to do with a local mayoral race where his nephew is a candidate). See here. I think the guy has major problems - I've never seen anyone who finds it so hard to get a simple point - but I also think he needs another warning. He's highly disruptive. Thanks. andy (talk) 14:49, 23 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I hate to have to say it but I think we're getting close to the point where User:Harrisonlatour may need to be blocked simply for being himself. I don't think he's intentionally disruptive, but disruptive he certainly is. He utterly and hopelessly fails to understand how WP works.


 * That trivial thing about the explosion in a scrap metal plant is a perfect example - he found an out of date newspaper clipping and used a sentence from it. By the next day (and this was three years ago) the papers were reporting two deaths and as a local guy he must be aware of that. But his excuse is that it was in a newspaper. He has an almost lunatic reverence for documents of any kind no matter how out of date and thinks they should be shoved willy nilly into articles if there's even a marginal relevance.


 * The question is, can you block someone for simply being an idiot? andy (talk) 10:46, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank-you
Thank-you for your quick attention in blocking Jaqhammer. It is much appreciated. Cheers, Tjbergsma (talk) 16:52, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Elkman NRHP infobox generator question
Hi Elkman. The NRHP infobox generator has been working great. I wonder, though, if it could be modified to indicate whether a NRHP site is a Building, Structure, Site, Object, or District? That should not necessarily be visible to the reader, but should be visible to editors. Perhaps it could be used to adapt the NRHP infobox in the future, but it would help to just have the information available for now. It would be helpful for the current wp:NRHP discussion on color coding of districts vs. other sites.

The NPS's summary webpages about each NHL show which of these 5 types apply. The NRHP.COM commercial site distinguishes between historic districts vs. all others. It seems that site is based on the same NRIS database output that your generator uses. I think the info must be in NRIS reports. But I myself hardly ever can get an individual NRIS search to work; I find your generator much more useful.

Any help or comment would be appreciated. doncram (talk) 19:41, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

From the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places discussion: How do you tell whether it is a regular NRHP or a historic district? That's a good question. Maybe we should not go into color coding and categorizing these, if we don't have a definitive way of determining what type every site is. The National Register of Historic Places article describes how there are 5 categories of historic places: Buildings, Structures (includes ships), Sites, Objects (e.g. a monument), Districts, and in a footnote gives link to big PDF NPS article "How to Apply the National Register Criteria for Evaluation". Why distinguish Districts vs. other four categories? And, if you wanted to color code using all 5 categories, again how would you determine which each one is? I am not aware of the NRIS system directly supporting that or not; it doesn't come out in the Elkman report anyhow. doncram (talk) 05:08, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The aforementioned for-profit NRHP website separates Historic Districts into their own page. That's how I coded the Pierce County listings. Murderbike (talk) 05:36, 25 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I almost forgot that the NRIS database contains a flag stating whether a property is a district, building, object, site, or structure. I just rechecked the data schema, and sure enough, I can get that information.  (That also answers a question that Appraiser asked above.)  The data also contains fields indicating the number of contributing buildings, objects, sites, and structures.  I think this is most useful for historic districts, but a house with a couple outbuildings would probably be listed as having three buildings.  I also noticed that there are some properties that include the name "historic district" but don't actually have the historic district flag.  That's probably a dirty data problem.
 * I'll look into adding the historic district flag into the infobox generator output. As far as the other types go, I suppose I could make them an HTML comment or something.  I'll let you when I get that implemented, though I'm a little busy at the moment.  --Elkman (Elkspeak) 16:55, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I added the historic district flag to the infobox generator. I'll add it to the county list generator as well, but that part isn't finished yet.  --Elkman (Elkspeak) 03:35, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

List generator
Hey, anyway this thing's up an running yet? I was gonna start converting the King County, Washington list, but would love to have a generator do it for me! Murderbike (talk) 02:13, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The county list generator is at this link. I ran the county list generator on King County, Washington and pasted the results at User:Elkman/King County. I don't think there are any major bugs in it, but there are a couple caveats:
 * The query outputs the original names as known in the National Register, even though we may have changed them here. For example, the database lists it as DUWAMISH even though the entry here is at Duwamish (fireboat).  Similarly, it doesn't know about disambiguations, such as U.S. Courthouse or Union Station.  I suppose there might be a way to have it retrieve the Wikipedia page and then do some kind of cross-reference, but I don't think that would always be accurate.
 * The query knows which properties are historic districts, but there's nothing in the database that knows about National Historic Landmarks or NHL districts. So, using Duwamish (fireboat) again, you'll need to manually update NRHP color to NHL color.
 * The generator doesn't know what image or what description you want to use for each article, so it has an annoying habit of saying " Image goes here " and "Description goes here".
 * You're welcome to go ahead and use the generator. Feel free to experiment with it.  If you have any bugs or suggestions, let me know and I'll see what I can do.  --Elkman (Elkspeak) 02:45, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Awesome, I'll past that in to my sandbox, and start doing all the fixes that need to be fixed. Murderbike (talk) 04:18, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Photo of Calhoun Beach Club
Thanks for the comment. Here you go: Feel free to use it, though I feel I should take a better photo closer to the building. This one doesn't frame it well. I'm over that way pretty often, so I'll let you know if I take a new one and upload it. Moncrief (talk) 05:49, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

History of snowboarding
Great. I'm beginning work on it, but I honestly think that there is enough missing from this section to qualify for a whole article. I have an appointment that I can't break, so I'll finish up tomorrow. Citing sources is hard! Working hard, though, and I'm not going to stop until this is a FETURED article, mark my words. Snowboarding deserves better Drippingyellowmadness (talk) 22:17, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

FL in quality stats
Now FL quality label is working as a separate class in quality stat tools. It is not working in the templates for several projects and thus not working for several quality stats for specific projects. Here are the ones I have noticed based on my own FL productions: WP:BUSINESS, WP:ALBUM, WP:PSP, WP:MLB, & WP:SONG. In addition, these do not seem to have stat tables on the project pages so I can not tell if they are working: WP:WPIC, WP:TEL, & WP:RADIO. I am guessing that you might be able to adjust the code in 10-20 minutes for each project, but I am at a lost on how to do so. Let me know if you think there is a more appropriate course of action.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 19:16, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Pseudoscience discretionary sanctions
Hi! As somebody who commented on a January proposal to place all articles related to homeopathy on article probation, I would greatly appreciate your input on a new proposal to help combat disruption that would scrap the probation and implement discretionary sanctions. I apologize for any intrusion, but this is to my knowledge the first time sanctions of this nature have been attempted to be enforced by the community, so I feel that a wide range of opinions is necessary. Thank you in advance for any comments you may make. east718 (talk) 18:59, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Seriousness
Go on, be amusing! Why did you undo yourself? --Kakofonous (talk) 20:09, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

DYK
Althought I it just almost slipped past my mind to do so as it was back in January, I would like to say a big thank you for the DYK. Willirennen (talk) 11:12, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

An article which you started, or significantly expanded, Calhoun Beach Club, was selected for DYK!
Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid (talk) 23:15, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

RfA - Toddst1
Hi Elkman, thanks for supporting my RfA, which passed with 42 supports, 0 opposes, and 0 neutrals. Special thanks goes to my nominator, Kakofonous. I'm pleased that the Wikipedia community has trusted me with the mop and I take it very seriously. Cheers! Toddst1 (talk) 15:31, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Comment from User:Average Citizen
Thank you Elkman.

I am learning so many new things. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Average Citizen (talk • contribs) 18:39, 19 March 2008

WT:RFA
Hi Elkman, you may want to see this comment of mine on WT:RFA regarding your removal of your question. Thanks. Acalamari 21:42, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It was kind of a jokey question anyway and I was probably wasting time asking it, so it's no real loss. --Elkman (Elkspeak) 22:37, 20 March 2008 (UTC)