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Archive for 2nd half 2014

July 2014
Please do not introduce incorrect information into articles, as you did to Economic growth. Your edits have been reverted. If you believe the information you added was correct, please cite references or sources or discuss the changes on the article's talk page before making them again. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. ''On two occasions (July 1 & December 16) you have added the same material to the article which is not supported by the reference. '' – S. Rich (talk) 16:55, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
 * This sentence you added was really out there, "On the other hand, without interstellar colonization, accidental collisions with dangerous astronomical objects could bring a halt to human growth until a space-fairing civilization finds sufficient anthropological evidence with which to reconstruct a simulation of it." Were you making a joke to see if people picked up on it?Mattnad (talk) 00:37, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
 * No, it is replaced with sources. EllenCT (talk) 00:51, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Nobody is hounding you despite your claim in your edit summary here . Note that another editor promptly reverted you again. You are boderline into an edit war over this.  You've been warned.Mattnad (talk) 05:04, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Non-neutral talk page heading
Per WP:TALKNEW, talk page headings should be neutral. Your addition here does not meet this requirement. Please revise. Also, I suggest you move the section into the "Discussion of Bayer-funded source" section as a subsection. Thank you. – S. Rich (talk) 18:55, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

I see you have renewed editing today. Would you please resolve this talk page heading issue. Thank you. – S. Rich (talk) 00:39, 2 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Can you suggest a rewording that you feel would be neutral? EllenCT (talk) 00:42, 2 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes. Make it a subsection of "Discussion of Bayer-funded source" and name it "Further comment". The heading is my only concern. No change to content is suggested. Thank you. – S. Rich (talk) 00:46, 2 July 2014 (UTC)


 * The words "further comment" do not convey a great deal of information. Can you think of a neutral way to word the subject? EllenCT (talk) 00:47, 2 July 2014 (UTC)


 * The heading is not the place to convey a lot of information. It is simply provides a hook to hang discussion on. The place to actually convey a great deal of information is in the commentary you provide. – S. Rich (talk) 01:04, 2 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Please seek dispute resolution if you believe there is a more neural way to phrase the subject. Please refrain from further posting on my talk page. EllenCT (talk) 01:06, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Notice re WP:NPOV thread
I have started a discussion here. – S. Rich (talk) 02:15, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
 * After more than a year of stalking my contributions and trying to pester me about the finer points of the smallest inconsequential details, you have ignored my instruction to refrain from posting on my talk page. You could have used the ping template. EllenCT (talk) 03:42, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Please join me in asking S. Rich to refrain from further WP:HOUNDING. EllenCT (talk) 03:42, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

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Tech News: 2014-28
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Tech News updates


 * We are looking for contributors to help write a new issue every week. If you would like to help, please contact us.

Recent software changes
 * The latest version of MediaWiki (1.24wmf12) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on July 3. It will be added to non-Wikipedia wikis on July 8, and to all Wikipedias on July 10 (calendar).
 * CirrusSearch was enabled on July 1 as the primary search method on 36 new wikis, including the Norwegian (no), Portuguese (pt) and Ukrainian (uk) Wikipedias.
 * It is now possible to create Atom or RSS feeds for Word of the Day, Word of the Week and similar entries on Wiktionary wikis.
 * You can now use a graphical interface to edit TemplateData information on the English (en), French (fr) and Italian (it) Wikipedias.

VisualEditor news
 * Saving an edit with VisualEditor will now be much faster.
 * You can now add a caption when you add a file to a page with VisualEditor. You can also change the file to a different one and keep the existing caption.
 * When you switch to the Edit source tab, you are now asked to keep your changes. You no longer need to find the option in the menus.
 * The reference tool that adds empty  tags is now at the bottom of the Cite menu, below references that use templates like.
 * Context menus will no longer be shown over items that you can edit directly, for example formulæ.

Future software changes
 * Starting on July 9, it will be possible to globally rename global (SUL ) users. The feature was first scheduled for July 1, but was delayed due to bugs.
 * A plan to enable CirrusSearch as the primary search method on the 11 largest Wikimedia wikis has now been prepared.
 * If you use references on a page, you will soon always see them at the bottom of the page, even if you forget to add the  tag (or a template).
 * Black-and-white XCF images will soon display correctly.
 * Description pages of SVG files will soon always show download links for multiple resolutions (example). The links were previously shown only for SVG files in large original resolutions.

Problems
 * Between July 2-3, there were problems with loading pages on multiple wikis due to a configuration issue.
 * For a few hours on July 1, there were problems with uploading new files on Wikimedia Commons due to a configuration error.

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Hounding?
I'm sorry you feel I am hounding you. But there are overriding reasons for me to take a look at your edits and to respond appropriately. (E.g., your edits are not, in general, constructive.) Any irritation, annoyance or distress you may experience is an unfortunate side effect of my comments and reverts, but it is not my intention to cause such side effects. You know full well that a certain number of editors are not happy with what you have said in different forums. And you have seen various editors revert your changes in various articles. So, when you make inappropriate edits, please expect me to correct such errors. When you make inappropriate personal (NPA) comments, please expect me to respond. In other words, I (and others) hope you will look at your own behavior. Indeed, the comments of several other editors should prompt you to consider. If you feel that I am behaving inappropriately, please post on the RFC/U. (I will be interested in seeing who supports you.) Or, if you wish, post on the ANI. Thanks. – S. Rich (talk) 05:37, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Srich, this sounds like a classic hounder's denial. Once the other editor has heard all of your concerns repeatedly and in detail and has repeatedly asked you to lighten up and back off, there's nothing to be gained by your doubling down with further ineffective assertions of your guidance. Whatever the issues concerning content or behavior, it's not your sole burden to promote and enforce your preferred remedies. Over time, where there's a problem, other editors will participate in the process by which it can be resolved.  It's not your sole burden and there's absolutely no reason to ignore EllenCT's discomfort with your behavior and her clear requests that you drop the stick. Threats and challenges to mount a battle of the RfC/U's is bizarre and counterproductive.  Please consider taking a break from the areas of EllenCT's activity and check back in 60-90 days.  SPECIFICO  talk  17:14, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

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Problems you are creating on Economic growth
You have recently created several problems with your edits on Economic growth. Most memorable is regarding your post about Planetary boundaries and space colonization, which is science fiction and not economics.

Most recently you have been reverting all of my edits related to productivity. You have also been over promoting income inequality, which I don't even recall being mentioned in one of the best books I've read on economic growth.

The last bad thing you did was post a notice about one of the most solid references on economic growth as needing peer review or else being fringe. This shows that you know nothing of the reference, which says a lot about your lack of qualifications to edit this article.

If you do another ill informed or improper edit of Economic growth I will report you to a problem editor noticeboard.Phmoreno (talk) 12:42, 13 July 2014 (UTC)


 * There is an ongoing discussion about the several disputes that have arisen in the past few days at Talk:Economic growth. EllenCT (talk) 17:15, 13 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Phmoreno, an ANI report is not going to decide issues related to article content disagreements, but is very likely, per WP:BOOMERANG to scrutinize your personal attacks on the article talk page. You don't appear to be responding to other editors' concerns in the discussion of sourcing and content there.   SPECIFICO  talk  17:25, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Notice of Edit warring noticeboard discussion
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Tech News: 2014-29
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Recent software changes
 * The latest version of MediaWiki (1.24wmf13) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on July 10. It will be added to non-Wikipedia wikis on July 15, and to all Wikipedias on July 17 (calendar).
 * It is now possible to globally rename global (SUL ) users. Please go to the username changes page on Meta if you want to rename your account on all wikis.
 * You can now read a summary of the Wikimedia technical report for June 2014.
 * You can now read the latest issue of the Wikidata newsletter and translate it into your language.

VisualEditor news
 * The tool to add templates and citations will now work for templates that include HTML comments or templates in their titles.
 * The button to make images full size should now work correctly.
 * References will now be shown in the default font size again.

Future software changes
 * CirrusSearch will be enabled as the primary search method on the Dutch (nl) and Japanese (ja) Wikipedias on July 14, and on the Polish (pl) and Russian (ru) Wikipedias on July 16.
 * The Special:Version page will soon show the exact version of MediaWiki and all extensions installed on your wiki (example).
 * It will soon no longer be possible to order printed books of wiki articles via PediaPress. You will still be able to create PDF files.
 * Pages that use  more than once will soon show a warning. You can use   to hide it.
 * Pages that have the list of references added automatically will soon be added to a tracking category. Administrators will be able to configure the name of the category on their wikis.
 * Administrators will soon be able to easily merge histories of two pages using Special:MergeHistory.
 * Administrators will soon see links to delete files on Special:ListFiles.

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Tech News: 2014-30
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Recent software changes
 * The latest version of MediaWiki (1.24wmf14) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on July 17. It will be added to non-Wikipedia wikis on July 22, and to all Wikipedias on July 24 (calendar).
 * CirrusSearch was removed as the primary search method from Wikimedia Commons and the Spanish (es) Wikipedia due to a high server load. The plan to enable it on the Dutch (nl), Japanese (ja), Polish (pl) and Russian (ru) Wikipedias was also postponed to a later date.
 * The tool that stores information about languages (CLDR) was updated to its latest version. You can still help translate language names into your own language so they can be used in the sidebar and other places.
 * Translation memory for newly translatable pages should now offer more suggestions.
 * A tool to convert MediaWiki pages to LaTeX is now available on [//tools.wmflabs.org/ Tool Labs].

VisualEditor news
 * Tablet users visiting the mobile version of Wikimedia wikis will be able to use a special version of VisualEditor starting on July 31. You can test the new tool by choosing the beta version of the mobile view in the Settings menu. Feedback is welcome.
 * All windows in VisualEditor have now a new design. Main action buttons will always be located in the top bar and will use simple words rather than icons.
 * You can now easily open links inside the link editor, for example to see their target.
 * Several bugs related to the positioning of the cursor around some items (like images and references) were fixed last week.

Future software changes
 * It will soon be possible to watch individual discussions in the Topic namespace rather than whole pages for talk pages using Flow.
 * You can give comments about the new version of Winter, a proposal to have a fixed toolbar at the top of wiki pages.
 * An IRC meeting to organize Pywikibot bugs will take place from July 24 to July 27 on the channel #pywikibot on freenode.
 * A request for comments on how to improve MediaWiki API was re-started on MediaWiki.org. Your feedback is welcome.

Problems
 * Mailing lists were broken for about 16 hours between July 14 and July 15 due to a server problem.

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Tech News: 2014-31
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Recent software changes
 * The latest version of MediaWiki (1.24wmf15) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on July 24. It will be added to non-Wikipedia wikis on July 29, and to all Wikipedias on July 31 (calendar).
 * You can now download the latest version of the anti-vandalism tool Huggle.

VisualEditor news
 * You can now create, edit, and view HTML comments in VisualEditor.
 * The cancel button in VisualEditor toolbar has been removed. You can still use the Read tab and the Back button in your browser to cancel your edit.
 * If you try to use a template which has no suggested or required parameters in TemplateData, you will now be asked to add the parameters.
 * You will no longer be able to edit a page if you can't create it, for example on pages protected against recreation.

Future software changes
 * You will soon be able to filter [//meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=&page=&year=&month=-1&tagfilter=&hide_patrol_log=1&hide_review_log=1&hide_thanks_log=1 Meta-Wiki's user rights log] by wiki and user.
 * Wikidata will soon be able to store data about article status, for example "good article" or "featured article". If your wiki has highlighted content, please make sure it is on [//meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Development/Badges Wikidata's list].
 * It will soon be possible to directly create empty pages, for example in the user namespace.

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Tech News: 2014-32
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Tech News updates


 * Tech News will be presented at the Wikimania 2014 conference in London! If you will be attending the conference, please join us in Auditorium 2 at 14:30 local time on Sunday, August 10.

Recent software changes
 * The latest version of MediaWiki (1.24wmf16) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on July 31. Due to the Wikimania 2014 conference, it will be added to non-Wikipedia wikis on August 12, and to all Wikipedias on August 14 (calendar).
 * You can now test a new tool to render wiki pages as PDF files.
 * You can now download an update to the archive of Wikimedia Commons files (uploaded up to December 31, 2013). If you have free space on your computer, please help preserve the files.
 * New users using the mobile Commons site now need to make 75 edits before they can upload a file.

VisualEditor news
 * You will no longer see an edit confirmation message after making a null edit with VisualEditor.
 * VisualEditor will no longer change underscores to spaces in category sort keys.
 * Many bugs that resulted in inserting the pawn and snowman symbols were fixed last week.
 * Several bugs related to the use of references were also fixed.

Future software changes
 * You will soon have a user option to watch pages where you revert edits.
 * All Toolserver data will be deleted in September. If you want to back up your data, [mailto:ts-admins@toolserver.org contact Toolserver administrators] before August 31.
 * Pages in the  namespace on wikis using the Translate extension will no longer be indexed by search engines.

Problems
 * Wikivoyage wikis were broken for about 45 minutes on July 29 due to a configuration problem.
 * Some users were not able to log in on test wikis and MediaWiki.org between July 31 and August 1. The problem is now fixed.

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Tech News: 2014-33
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Recent software changes VisualEditor news
 * Due to the Wikimania 2014 conference, there were no MediaWiki changes this week. The latest version of MediaWiki (1.24wmf16) will be added to non-Wikipedia wikis on August 12, and to all Wikipedias on August 14 (calendar).
 * Bureaucrats on all Wikivoyage wikis are no longer able to merge two accounts into one.
 * Tablet users visiting the mobile version of non-Wikipedia wikis will be able to use VisualEditor starting on August 12. The feature will also be enabled on all Wikipedias on August 14.

Future software changes
 * Internet Explorer 6 users will soon see a JavaScript-free version of Wikimedia wikis; JavaScript tools and scripts will no longer work on that browser. If you use Internet Explorer 6, make sure to update to a newer browser!
 * If you visit a special page that requires you to be logged-in, you will soon be automatically redirected to the log-in page instead of seeing a warning.
 * You will now always see recent changes to the source language text when editing a translation with the Translate extension.
 * An IRC meeting to discuss VisualEditor will take place on August 14 at 09:00 UTC on the channel #wikimedia-office on freenode (time conversion).

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Hi EllenCT
I noticed that you had both extensive experience with Wiki and a highly-credentialed background. I also noticed that you recently edited "Income Inequality in the United States". Would you be able to assist with an entry? I have an economics background (B.A. / M.A.), but am lacking in Wiki skills (apparently) and am slightly intimidated by the process. A week or so ago, (August 6) I posted some new information in the article "Income Inequality in the United States". I added a criticism section to the article, because the page seemed to be unilateral in perspective and needed some balance, particularly after I read several sources (Wall Street Journal, Congressional Budget Office, etc.) that differed with the wealth analysis of Thomas Piketty. Admittedly, my skills in writing Wiki text is not the greatest, however, the information that I presented was extensively footnoted and from reputable sources. The following morning after I posted the information, an editor named CJ Griffin struck the entirety of it on the grounds that it excessively criticized Piketty, stating that 'there had been no previous criticism of his work in the article'. That was precisely why I added it. He made other comments about supposition, etc., and I asked if he would be willing to assist in helping in that area. Instead, he was insulting and obviously protecting the article 'from significant criticism of any kind'. There seemed to be an agenda at work here. Here is his bio. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:C.J._Griffin. Although I attempted to discuss the issue with him, he became combative and slammed me several times. I left a message at Wikipedia, apparently he was immediately informed of this contact by them, because he ripped me about it. From what I have seen in the article history, he may be one of the original authors of the article (so perhaps he has motivations to protect its contents). My question to you is, could you review the posting that I made (August 6) and determine how to post the legitimate criticisms in such a way that it helps the discussion and accuracy of the article? In no way am I asserting that income inequity does not exist, but I am making the point that certain decisions were made not to include information, thus overstating the data and results. I appreciate your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tolinjr (talk • contribs)
 * You are referring to this deletion, right? The problem is that it's written like an editorial, making sweeping, judgemental statements in Wikipedia's voice. I guess you need to read WP:NOTESSAY and WP:NPOV. A lot of that text is not specific to the U.S., and some of it is about Piketty's data on Europe. However, I think some of the criticisms are worth including, but probably on the article about Piketty's book. Have you tried editing there? You will have better luck if you summarize the salient points very brief and to the point, instead of expounding prose in lengthy essay format. Another thing to keep in mind is that article, most of its sources, and its summaries have existed since long before the publication of Piketty's book, so it doesn't make sense to have more than very brief descriptions of the book's criticisms in it. Hang in there, you'll figure it out; we all have to deal with what seem like terrible injustices before the benefit of time, perspective, and reflection. If you're just getting started you need to have extra patience. Have you tried the WP:TEAHOUSE? There are people there who have very good experience giving writing style tips. EllenCT (talk) 19:54, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject Economics
I noticed you were in the past an active contributor to WP:ECONOMICS. At the moment it seems rather inactive. Would you want to help me to make it more active again? NotYetAnotherEconomist (talk) 19:42, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Sure, what do you want to work on? There is a long-running dispute at Progressive tax about whether the effects of more progressive taxation require less total taxation to accomplish the same government spending goals. Do you know of any sources for that issue? EllenCT (talk) 19:59, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes. That is the so called Laffer curve. On one side an increase in taxes will increase the revenue everything else equal. But increased taxes will also lead to lower wages and people will be more likely to prefer leisure to work, which will lead to decreasing tax revenues. In theory there exists a tax rate maximizes the former and minimizes the latter, but no one really knows on which side of the Laffer curve we are on. Conservative think tanks regularly argue that we are at a point on the laffer curve where a decrease will lead to an increased propensity to work (like here: http://news.heartland.org/sites/all/modules/custom/heartland_migration/files/pdfs/15245.pdf), while liberals argue for the opposite (for example here: http://www.epi.org/blog/tax-cuts-pay/ ). Economists also have an opinion in this debate, but it is much less political. I would for example include the recent JEL article about this issue: https://www.aeaweb.org/articles.php?doi=10.1257/jel.50.1.3 . NotYetAnotherEconomist (talk) 23:46, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I am referring to holding the tax rate constant, but changing the Suits index (a measure of progressivity), not changing the tax rate. Is that what Saez, Slemrod, and Giertz discuss, or are they changing both the total tax rate and the marginal rate simultaneously? (update: found the full text and reading it now]) EllenCT (talk) 00:04, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

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Tech News: 2014-34
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Recent software changes
 * The latest version of MediaWiki (1.24wmf17) is on test wikis and MediaWiki.org since August 14. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis on August 19, and on all Wikipedias on August 21 (calendar).
 * There is a new protection level called superprotection. At the moment, only some Wikimedia Foundation employees have access to it. Administrators can't edit "superprotected" pages. [//meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Superprotect_rights]
 * You can now create empty pages directly. A message asks you to confirm that you want to create an empty page.
 * You can search for Wikimedia tools using a new list of tools.
 * You can watch the first videos from Wikimania 2014. Some of them are about technical topics. More videos will come later.

Wikidata
 * After August 19, you can use Wikidata for inter language links on Wikinews.
 * After August 19, you can use Wikidata for badges like "good" or "featured" articles. Next week, you will be able to show the badges in the article sidebar on Wikipedia, Wikisource and Wikiquote.

Problems
 * There was an issue with ProofreadPage and WikiEditor on Wikisource wikis. It is now fixed.

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Global financial system lead
Hi Ellen, would you mind taking another look at the lead of Global financial system? I have tried relentlessly to reduce the length of the lead and have thus far shortened it by 1,957 characters. I've long known I needed to shorten it, but had put it off. I think it still needs some work, but perhaps you'll agree it's remedied enough to at least warrant removal of the longintro tag? Each word removal feels like a stab wound at this point lol. John Shandy`  • talk 00:49, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

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Hi EllenCT,

Given your edits, I think you have a chance to win this academic writing contest:

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Masalih (talk) 18:54, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Aww, thank you! I have become so discouraged lately. I don't think most wikipedians care about the truth anymore. There are just POV pushers and wiki-lawyers these days. It's so depressing. Thanks again for your kind words. EllenCT (talk) 07:11, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Actually, I'd like to compliment you on your recent work on Income Inequality. While a bit of it was rolled back, I think it was well written and sourced.  The article has improved with your contribution.Mattnad (talk) 20:03, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

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The first sentence says "...an equity, where your decision is involved, superior to a multi-sector fund of a wide diversity of low grade debt?" In my experience (stock market, not academic economics) the difference between "equity" and a debt fund isn't just "your decision". Equity means stocks, debt means bonds, and they aren't the same at all. Perhaps you meant to ask: "Why would someone buy an individual security instead of an index fund?" Most people shouldn't; I have often read that most people lose by trying to outguess the market. So perhaps the real question is "Why would a professional trader buy an individual security, if the market already values it fairly beyond his understanding?" You're right, sort of; of course there are market inefficiencies that professionals like me can take advantage of (thus limiting those inefficiencies). But if your question is why conservatives don't let our all-wise politicians make such decisions for us, then you have much more confidence in their knowledge, and more importantly their good intentions, than I do. Art LaPella (talk) 01:36, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
 * my misplaced faith certainly isn't in politicians, it's in the credit ratings agencies. But seriously, I no longer believe that particular rant makes any long-term financial sense. I just leave it there because it was cited at arbitration as proof that I am biased in some particular way I never really understood. So anyway, if professionals can take advantage of inefficiencies, why have hedge funds been severely underperforming equites? EllenCT (talk) 04:34, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I'd trust credit ratings further than politicians, but not further than the market, which usually moves before the ratings do (ratings didn't warn us about Enron for instance, until it was already way down). Of course there are inefficiencies; preferred stock from the same corporation can go in opposite directions from each other, not because one security is better, but just because Mr. Big is selling one issue or buying the other, and I've supported myself since 1986 that way. I don't have direct experience with hedge funds, but I'm guessing that graph would look positive if the hedge fund management fees were subtracted; I've heard they're huge. Most people should use index funds. Art LaPella (talk) 05:28, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

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You made some odd edits at Plutocracy. The edit summaries seem at first glance to be deceptive, since the history doesn't show such deletions in the recent past. At first glance I'm inclined to accept your additions because they seem to be RS. This content was just dropped there, with spaces (now fixed) between the refs (a no no), without any context, just United States

What did you intend to say? You need at least a sentence. -- Brangifer (talk) 01:24, 15 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Thank you for pointing out my typo and formatting mistake. All of the things I replaced were found in this diff. Which was what I got when I clicked on the current diff link from the last version that didn't have a green dot in my history. EllenCT (talk) 01:40, 15 September 2014 (UTC)


 * From that diff I can see that you have basically restored a whole bunch of diffs which you at one point had restored, and which were then deleted by User:Collect. I don't know what's happened since then. If there has been no edit warring over it since then, you are now making a Bold (BRD) attempt to restore the content. Hopefully no one will Revert it.
 * Part of the problem now is the placement. It was originally located in the Examples section, but you have seemingly dumped it in a random section. It needs to return to its original location, or in the United States section. It's just not working where it is. Please do something or it will get moved or deleted by someone else. If it gets Reverted (BRD), you'll have to start a Discussion, per BRD. You may be up against some very powerful forces when you try to document corporate and 1% control of American society. They don't like it and may try to delete it. Censorship (sometimes funded by the Koch brothers) happens at Wikipedia. Good luck and let me know what you do. -- Brangifer (talk) 04:38, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
 * the United States references got moved from the Examples section to their own parallel section because of the controversy involved with suggesting the U.S. could be anything less than a shining example of egalitarian democratic freedom and free market apple pie production. I have no idea whether they will be objected to in their current location. I will wait and see. In any case, I am much more interested in the reasons you have to believe that the Koch brothers are funding censorship here. I have similar but some substantially different information. Would you please drop me an email with whatever you have, so I can reply with what I have and we can compare notes without exposing our discoveries? EllenCT (talk) 05:55, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
 * If there's anything of a confidential (BLP) nature, then email it to me. Otherwise what I mentioned is very public information. It was publicized and a whole nest of sock puppets, all working for a firm paid by the Koch brothers to whitewash their activities, was exposed here. They were blocked and some of them unblocked upon promising to follow policy. Look at these links:
 * Koch Industries Employs PR Firm To Airbrush Wikipedia, Gets Banned For Unethical ‘Sock Puppets’
 * Thom Hartmann: Are Koch Brothers sock puppets rewriting Wikipedia?
 * Sockpuppet investigations/MBMadmirer/Archive
 * User:BullRangifer
 * So, if you have anything else, please email me. -- Brangifer (talk) 06:13, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Wow, this is all very new to me. I wonder how I missed it. I have some potentially WP:OUTING-related (not identifiable BLP though) info that I want to send you, but give me a few days with the article editing summary and user comparison tools to see what the overlap is with that nest. EllenCT (talk) 06:22, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I'll be waiting. -- Brangifer (talk) 07:18, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I may not be allowed to say everything I want directly, but am exploring communication via editing. EllenCT (talk) 19:24, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
 * You can safely communicate with me by email. -- Brangifer (talk) 00:00, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

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Hello EllenCT. You have not made a well-formed AE request. It would be better if you remove [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement&diff=prev&oldid=625755641 your comment] from AE and ask User:Arthur Rubin for more details. If you are not satisfied with his explanation and believe the IP comment should stand, you can raise the matter at ANI. The first of the two IPs listed above has been blocked one year as a sock. The second IP is presumably the same person. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 03:03, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

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Hi! Does the "CT" have to do with the U.S. state of Connecticut? WhisperToMe (talk) 23:05, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
 * yes, it used to, but not any more. EllenCT (talk) 04:04, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Ok. Do you know Wikipedians who are still in Connecticut? There are some photo requests I have in Greenwich and Milford. WhisperToMe (talk) 04:12, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
 * and can you help? EllenCT (talk) 19:59, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
 * - Sorry. I've cut most my ties with CT. Has this request been posted at Requested_pictures? NickCT (talk) 20:01, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I have used the template at Talk:Subway (restaurant) and Talk:The Japanese School of New York (Greenwich, CT). Ellen, thank you for notifying your friends! WhisperToMe (talk) 01:23, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I may be able to help next time I am in that part of the state. Can somebody leave me a reminder on my talk page? might be in the area too. Jehochman Talk 02:10, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

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Neutrality at Environmental impact of hydraulic fracturing
Hi! I know this is being discussed in a couple of other places, so I just wanted to check separately if you agree that this edit is using a primary source to relay information that the source itself does not contain. The source's objective was "to assess the relationship between household proximity to natural gas wells and reported health symptoms", so at most it could only be used to relay what those reported health symptoms were; not to state (e.g.) as fact that "people with clinically significant skin problems increased from 3% to 13% over the same distances". But more particularly this is a primary source and so should not be used for health information, particularly if it goes against the grain of better sources (as it does). I noticed a recent thread at AN/I about your editing and that the closing admin said "lessons can and should be drawn". I dispute the neutrality of the article as it now stands. Alexbrn talk 07:09, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't think you understand the survey's conclusions or their caveats, so I have asked at WP:RSN in hopes of resolving this dispute. EllenCT (talk) 07:31, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks, though I'm not sure yet another forum for this is needed (it's already at WT:MED). This is more an issue of neutrality than reliability since any source is reliable for an attributed statement of what that source says. Alexbrn talk 07:48, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

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September 2014
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war&#32; according to the reverts you have made on Environmental impact of hydraulic fracturing. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement. Please be particularly aware that Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states: If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Alexbrn talk 19:40, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
 * 1) Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made.
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.
 * Which diffs do you think are edit warring? EllenCT (talk) 19:53, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
 * This was already explained at WT:MED. You are now edit-warring again today by repeatedly re-instating your preferred version of the text. You are also knowingly misrepresenting a cited source by removing text it supports, as I have explained on Talk. This is a serious problem and in my view is behaviour that needs wider examination. Alexbrn talk 05:54, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Again, to which specific diffs are you objecting? Please see WP:DR for guidance on how to resolve disputes. EllenCT (talk) 06:03, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
 * As you know, PMID 24119661 states: "no sound epidemiologic study has been done to assess the extent of exposure-related adverse health effects among populations living in areas where natural gas extraction is going on" and this is still so. By removing mention of this key fact you are misrepresenting the source. I do not think this is a content dispute, as there is no doubt in my mind how policy applies here. I am concerned with your behaviour in editing however. A WP:RFC/U may be an appropriate dispute resolution step? Alexbrn talk 06:11, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
 * You are well aware that there are several other MEDRS sources which reach strong, specific, and prescriptive conclusions, including that a ban on drilling in the New York City water supply watersheds is appropriate, and that there are several toxins present in sources of groundwater contamination from fracking. In which diff do you claim I removed the quote to which you refer? I have opened a request for moderated dispute resolution at Dispute resolution noticeboard. EllenCT (talk) 06:20, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I am aware of no good sources giving a contradictory view specifically on health effects. There is no dispute toxic chemicals are used, but there appears to be a debate over whether that risk can be managed. In this edit you removed the text "there is little evidence from which to draw a conclusion" which was a key finding of the cited source; this is not good. I do not think you should have started a DRN case since you have already got active threads at WT:MED and RSN (where the policy aspect here has been reaffirmed by other editors). It looks a bit like WP:FORUMSHOPPING which is also not good. Alexbrn talk 06:58, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Why do you claim that the review stating that a ban on drilling in the New York City water supply's watershed is not good? Why do you claim that the several other MEDRSs with strong conclusions in agreement are not good? EllenCT (talk) 20:25, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

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New Climate Economy Report on Economics of global warming
Thank you for your contributions. Nicholas Stern is the Vice-Chair of the Global Commission for the Economy and Climate, for example
 * http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/16/science/earth/fixing-climate-change-may-add-no-costs-report-says.html
 * http://newclimateeconomy.net/content/global-commission
 * (",) 99.112.215.81 (talk) 07:07, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
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Redacted link
I re-removed the link to the courtesy copy of Hajek, et Al's paper on Talk:Electronic Cigarette. Wiley, the journal publisher, requires permission to be granted before content is reused. I looked on the courtesy link and the tobonline website and I couldn't see anything indicating that such permission had been granted. Therefore, I removed the link per WP:COPYVIO as it's better to err on the cautious side. If tobonline has permission to reproduce the content, please point it out to me and I'll happily self-revert. Thanks! Ca2james (talk) 18:11, 5 November 2014 (UTC)


 * just out of curiousity, (1) what brought that link to your attention? (2) do you intend to do the same to every reference which has a courtesy link to copyrighted content, and if not, why did you choose to do it to my comment? And (3) do you have any way to tell whether the authors retained a transferable right to redistribute their paper when transferring copyright to Wiley? EllenCT (talk) 04:20, 6 November 2014 (UTC)


 * In answer to your questions: 1) I have both electronic cigarette and ani on my watchlist. 2) I'm not going to patrol for these links but if I come across courtesy links like this then I will try to determine whether the link is allowed under the publisher's copyright. If not then I will remove the link. I didn't know before the ani post that such links may not be allowed; I'm still fairly new and copyright is complex. If I had known about the links I wouldn't have added one myself in a deletion discussion. That discussion has been closed so I don't think I can remove the link now or else I would. 3) No, I have no way to tell. I would hope that there would be some sort of documentation allowing the site to publish the paper. I chose to act on the cautious side and assume that there was no such permission. Was that wrong? How would I know if the authors had given their permission?
 * I apologize if I acted hastily. As I say, this is new and I was trying to do the right thing. I wasn't targeting you in any way. Ca2james (talk) 12:09, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Neonicotinoid and behavior
I was hoping this would be implied by you after the ANI and letting things sit for a bit, but I want to make sure it's said (in a blunt yet friendly manner as possible) since you've come back to the article. The ANI made it very clear you have a lot of problematic behaviors, but the community wasn't sure what to do about them at the time. That should have been taken as a very clear warning it's time to make some changes.

One thing is that your posts really have a WP:BATTLEGROUND feel to them pretty often where it seems like you really entrench whenever one of your edits or suggestions are rejected. For editors in general this can be anything from POV pushing, WP:IDHT behavior, genuine lack of competence in a topic, taking things personally, good faith things, bad faith things, or any range of reasons. For me, the reason doesn't matter. What matters is that the behavior stops so we can avoid having a drama filled talk page. There's often seemingly subtle (for some folks at least) yet very important basic information that you seem to miss when folks are discussing reliability of sources and content, especially in regards to scientific publishing that we've gone over again and again in some fashion. Others have mentioned that to you as WP:IDHT behavior. Whatever it is, it has really detracted from the talk page as evidenced by the sheer amount of text explaining things to you over time and having to disentangle your behavior issues from the article talk page. In your past posts, it really seemed like you weren't here to build an encyclopedia, but looking to engage in battleground behavior from some ideological standpoint instead. That's ultimately what got you at ANI with all the underlying behavior issues listed there falling underneath that umbrella.

Now, there was an opportunity for you to start off on a good foot in the most recent discussion, and that opportunity isn't completely wasted yet. I suggest you start using that chance to remedy the problem behaviors that were pointed out to you. I for one am tired of the drama at the talk page and I don't intend to be as patient with you or attempt to be as helpful as I was in the past if we just have the same old song and dance going on again. Kingofaces43 (talk) 03:58, 6 November 2014 (UTC)


 * I will not be bullied into unquestioning acceptance of an extremely pro-industry point of view by threats and innuendo from an editor with less than a fifth of my article space editing experience, who implies that any of my several WP:ANI incident involvements ever resulted in any conclusions that my behavior was deficient in any substantial ways. I have been editing for years now, without sanction of any kind. During that time I have exposed more than a dozen serious COI issues, along with bias problems in dozens of articles on and adjunct to my fields of expertise. I have been accused of far worse by far more determined hounders and POV-pushers, many of whom have been sanctioned for their actions. If you think your reliance on industry-sponsored sources represents some kind of paragon of neutrality and authority, then you have a lot to learn, and I strongly suggest you ask for a review of your concerns at the WP:TEAHOUSE. EllenCT (talk) 04:17, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
 * And the unfounded personal attacks continue . . . I came here in good faith, and you are not helping yourself at all here by trying to turn even this into a battleground too. The closing admin of the ANI clearly stated your behavior was problematic. There's no way you cannot hear/read that one. Your obsession with industry in this case seems to be some sort of advocacy driven approach to discussion that's leading you going overboard on unfounded conspiracy theories about other editors. We don't do that here. You've already had that explained multiple times. You're going to just keep ending up at ANI until you are banned at the rate you are going, which is why I am asking you now to shape up on behavior you have been told many times is inappropriate to save on that unneeded drama. It's as simple as that. Kingofaces43 (talk) 05:05, 6 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Did it occur to you that I likewise find your personal attacks unfounded? Clearly we have a dispute about the source at and so I will take the advice to pursue the proper dispute resolution process for that source as suggested at . Please do not try to use threats to dissuade me from following proper procedures again. Any discussion you wish to have with me about neonicotinoids should take place on the talk page of that or related articles. EllenCT (talk) 07:57, 6 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Again, it's time to stop the battleground behavior. You're now fabricating ideas that I'm attacking you. I made it pretty clear that my comment about RSN was getting at that we should be primarily relying on the article talk page for consensus building first. You barely even gave that a chance twice now. The fact that we'd barely had a discussion about the source yet and you were already wanting to seek a form of dispute resolution is problematic for actually getting anywhere on a topic in a reasonable manner. You then made up the idea that I was using your behavior issues to "suppress" the source over at Drmies' talk page. The reliability of the source itself hasn't been based on your behavior at all as evidenced by my responses at the article, and it would take some serious twisting to try to connect those two ideas together. It's looking like you're perceiving any good faith effort to engage you as a threat at this point (not a single threat was ever made), and if that's not red flag for you to drop the pitchfork, your battleground behavior issues are just going to keep spiraling out of control. It's almost like you're looking for excuses to be angry at this point. The whole point of my posts here is to point out you've got a problem and to take care of it. Nothing more. No need to counter, say something snarky, apologize, or anything else really. Just stop.


 * Also, (even though you've been reminded of this many times) it's against the talk page guidelines to discuss editor behavior (which this is all about) at article talk pages. We focus on content, not behavior there. Such discussions belong on editor talk pages or at other channels. This conversation here has not been about neonicotinoids. The solution here is simple. Drop the battleground behavior and stop acting like you've got an opponent so you can see that people are trying to work with you and focus on content at article talk pages. Doing that will make editing and discussions go much smoother, and you also won't see me there reminding you to stop commenting on things inappropriate for an article talk page (or here going beyond those one-liners). We don't need non-content things getting intertwined there. You've got a very simple solution here for working at the neonic article. I really suggest using it. Kingofaces43 (talk) 05:22, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

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Electronic cigarette
That was some post. I don't know how to respond exactly except that it was a nice thing to do. Formerly 98 (talk) 19:30, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've had a rough time with paid advocacy and am planning to re-focus in my core competencies of political economics and measurement of tax policy. It wasn't until I saw today that I understood the extent of paid advocacy editing on both sides of the e-cig issues. I'm glad the article has been fully protected until March, and I don't intend to ever edit it again. I look forward to reading the literature reviews in a few years when they have had time to report on all the cessation and harm reduction studies presently in the works. EllenCT (talk) 20:06, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
 * There is no evidence of paid editing. We must assume blind faith. Sigh.  QuackGuru  ( talk ) 04:39, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

The Michigan Kid and Arthur Rubin
I agree that the whole thing needs to stop, and I previously raised this issue on Anna Frodesiak's talk page a while back. She attempted to discuss the problem with the IP user, but he was incredibly rude and intransigent. Anna can point you in the direction of the discussion, as it took place in multiple locations. After witnessing that, I lost the sympathy for the user you currently have. Then again, I do think Rubin should find something else to occupy his time, like writing articles. Good luck with that. :) In a way, both of them are made for each other, and I get the sense that the user is trolling Rubin to keep him preoccupied. After all, if Rubin isn't busy tracking down the IP, he's shilling for the Koch brothers.  Uh oh, the cat's out of the bag now... Viriditas (talk) 11:56, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you, for letting me know. I couldn't find any attempt to reach out to him other than through a few occasional sentences in between dozens of templates. EllenCT (talk) 12:26, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
 * The links I listed for you on ANI are to the archived talk pages Viriditas mentioned ... lots of reading there :) Vsmith (talk) 23:54, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
 * @EllenCT: The ANI discussion is closed now, so I'll reply here. For brevity, I did not spell out the details of the case that I recall, but a critical point is that the user made good edits for several weeks—it was not until they had been left to do pretty much what they wanted on several articles that the editing became bizarre. At the start, the only clue was that the editor made ten edits per day to articles which rarely had ten edits per month. At the end, it was obvious that the editor was a disruptive menace, and myself and another user were groaning at the thought of how much effort would be required to get the editor removed given the large number of good edits they had made which would make explaining the problem to third-parties difficult. The problem was resolved when the user was indeffed as a sock. For the socks of some long-term abusers, observers cannot tell that the sock is going to be a problem because the troll knows how to do their job, and they may give no clue about their intentions until they have become establised. In other words, you have no way of knowing that the IP is editing in good faith, nor do you know what would happen if they became established. Johnuniq (talk) 01:28, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Ellen's last post at the ANI (to Vsmith and separately to me) appear to say the real issue has nothing to do with the IP, but rather a gripe Ellen has on her own behalf. Ellen, see WP:DR and good luck getting that gripe resolved.  You'll have better luck addressing the issues head-on, I think. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 06:46, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I said nothing of the sort. Just because I learned about the issue while researching the editors who have been stalking my contributions doesn't mean that I think the stalking is worse than what has been going on over the past four years with the IP editor. Why does it "appear" otherwise to you? EllenCT (talk) 07:36, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Disengaging. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 07:39, 28 December 2014 (UTC)


 * EllenCT, don't take these jokers too seriously. Just focus on what interests you and what gives you enjoyment and stick to it.  These guys are all too wrapped up in their own Private Idaho's. Viriditas (talk) 10:32, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

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