User talk:Elmidae

H. Rider Haggard
I saw you removed part of the text quoting Rider Haggard on the topic of race. It's not "original research" nor my own opinion: it is the author himself talking on the topic of hierarchies among races or cultures. I only cited one paragraph but he makes the same point several times in the same book. "No original research" is to be used for "facts, allegations, and ideas for which no reliable, published source exists". The book written by the very author the article is about should be considered, without doubt, a valid source. ( JohnMizuki (talk) 12:47, 12 June 2024 (UTC) )

Phoeniconaias genus article...
... is now a thing. - UtherSRG (talk) 17:22, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
 * serendipity! : } -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 18:05, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I saw your edit comment when you added the little bit about the extinct species, so but this on my mental to do list. - UtherSRG (talk) 18:09, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

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How to do ellipses
Please read MOS:ELLIPSIS. -- Toddy1 (talk) 21:46, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * noted (but see the the sub-heading two down - on using square brackets. Not quite as cut and dried as you may think). I agree the box is superfluous if we have the quote in the text as well. -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 13:58, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

On the Trumpeter swan article...
Is it not hard for you to write which scientists said this in the article you linked? Or at least attach a more primary source rather than a newspaper article? I am following the conventions given under "Unsupported attributions," which gives examples of weasel words such as, "scientists claim," "research has shown," etc. The wording which you defend in Trumpeter swan is almost verbatim one of the listed examples of weasel words (i.e., "scientists attribute..."), and so it might not match Wikipedia's manual of style.

These are not my subjective standards; these are Wikipedia's own standards. While I am not necessarily disagreeing with what has been written there, it helps to write which scientists have put forth which results, since they can look further into that scientists' work and also compare these in cases where scientists might disagree. Also, it would help if the source you put there were at least an actual scientific journal article (e.g., the ones that the New York Times article might be sourcing) rather than the New York Times itself, as more mainstream, non-technical newspapers are definitely not immune from featuring views which may not represent the consensus within a certain academic field. Lastly, you say that, "Readers can check the source," but somebody who is not a New York Times subscriber is going to get paywalled.Lisztrachmaninovfan (talk) 06:40, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

Anoplognathus rhinastus
Very curious why the line referring back to iNaturalist was removed as being 'unreliable '? Is it because anything on iNaturalist is unreliable or that Associate Professor Tanya Latty who is running the project that I linked to is not credible? perhaps should I have referenced T.Latty in more detail about the statement ? I am very new here and am genuinely seeking guidance.. cheersEdisstrange (talk) 02:53, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * yes, iNaturalist is crowd-sourced, which makes it an unreliable source for factual claims (just as Wikipedia itself is ineligible as a cited source, for the same reason!) That said, plenty of species articles have iNat refs in them to provide images or to show a map of reported sightings - while not strictly by the book, these are generally accepted because the chance of false content is low (i.e., it's likely that the aggregate of these sightings does give a reasonable distribution map, even accounting for errors). But single statements like "this was the first recorded sighting since XXXX", as was used here, would need a more reliable source. - If that re-sighting has been taken onto a university website or similar and a reliable 3rd party has thus taken ownership of the claim, maybe you can use that as a reference? Cheers -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 08:12, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for replying and clearing that up ! Cheers Edisstrange (talk) 08:49, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Extortion by eunuchs in India
I have read Vanamonde93's reply that he/she mentioned. I have linked artivcles where Eunuchs killed two newborn babies, and also killed a man for not paying money. I don't understand why he says that is not extortion but harassment, begging. Most likey they don't check all sources properly. I have also mentioned about arrests, public protests.

I didn't mention vernacular media as I found English media.

These are the articles I didn't mentioned, but linking here.

'''Why eunuchs are allowed to extort money? asks Lokayukta'''-https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/jaipur/why-eunuchs-are-allowed-to-extort-money-asks-lokayukta/articleshow/35749004.cms Lokayukta is government.

As I have linked many articles, where the name of the topic is extortion, here the word extortyion is used within the article not heading.--India's estimated 50,000 eunuchs are at a crossroads of survival in their shadowy half-world of superstition and extortion. -- https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1983/08/07/indias-eunuchs-have-fallen-in-esteem/7779c281-15a0-4fac-8b7f-69db60d4d17c/ Rambo XTerminator (talk) 11:07, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Copying this to the project talkpage, since that is where the discussion is happening. -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 12:58, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

TY
TY for the edits on Bombus crotchii; I tend not to think of "overcitation" as being template-worthy but made a bunch of smart changes. I stand corrected. jengod (talk) 21:59, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 * All good :) Cheers -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 06:52, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

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At article Human
Hi, thx for your restore. My edit removed a period ("."), somehow my edit was on an older version of the article (it was weird, I saw that text flash as the edit processed, I ignored it but shouldn't have, should have checked this edit history after; still don't know how I got entered into an older version). Apologies. Again thanks. --IHTS (talk) 12:42, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Ha, okay, that explains it :p -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 12:45, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh now I know. (I entered the article via a link from WP:CLASSES where the article was listed as example of a class B article. (That link no doubt took me to status of the article when was class B. Noticed the class was "Good" not "B" after my edit, surmised the info at CLASSES was out of date, my wrong surmise.) Now am wiser. Thx again. --IHTS (talk) 12:49, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Giraffe
Why did you revert my edits on the Wikipedia article giraffe? In your edit summary you said it was about the genus not the species, if it's about the genus why does it have a binomial name which is Giraffa camelopardalis? If it is really about the genus then what is Giraffa camelopardalis, is this not about the species? I'm confused, please explain.  Dancing  Dollar ( let's talk ) 10:31, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
 * check out the Taxonomy section for the attendant complications (for that matter, the lede explains this as well). Giraffe classification vaccilates between one and nine species or subspecies, plus there's a bunch of fossil species. All of these are known as "giraffe". We've also had numerous discussions on the talk page about how these variations in classification are to presented across articles. The current phrasing has been chosen to prevent the reader from assuming that this article is about one species only, or that it is even clear that there is only one species. This cannot be really be communicated in a taxobox, which is why that sticks to the basic binomial setup, but it can be done in text, which is why the article does not start off like a typical species article. I would suggest that if you feel strongly about this, you take it to the talk page? Cheers -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 11:05, 12 March 2023 (UTC)


 * OK, thanks for explaining, I understand now, and I won't bother with the Taxonomy of the giraffe.  Dancing  Dollar ( let's talk ) 11:27, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Stalking?
Why are you going to all my contributions and reverting them? Feels a bit like stalking. You said things like "low quality" which is a personal opinion maybe but the videos are in high resolution 4k and clearly show the behavior of the subject of the articles. Not every Wiki user has seen these birds in real life, and a video helps to illustrate motion/behavior etc. Please justify yourself before further stalking my contributions. Thanks. Nesnad (talk) 11:59, 12 March 2023 (UTC) Hmm. I noticed now that you also reverted my goldfish contribution etc too. This clearly feels targeted. Have I offended you? Lets discuss it. Cheers, Nesnad (talk) 12:39, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I noticed you adding material of doubtful quality and therefore checked your other contributions, and found more of the same (most of these articles are on my watchlist anyway). That is not WP:STALKING and you would be well advised not to bandy this accusation around without cause. - As for the quality of these videos, I disagree that shots of birds walking or flitting around in a cage are high-quality or even substantially informative additions to these articles. The video added to golden pheasant for example consists mostly of cage bars blurring past while a pheasant takes a few steps behind them. That's an indifferent and uninformative home video that should not be taking up screen real estate in an encyclopedia, especially in articles already well supplied with image material. The goldfish is gasping in place in a bare aquarium - how is that useful information for the reader? Creators of images, videos or artwork are frequently least well placed to assess the suitability for use on WP because they obviously have a creator's attachment to this stuff. -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 16:59, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Why are you the god of deciding quality though? A fence makes something have no quality? You might be very familiar with these animals and so it might not have "value" to you, but to someone who hasn't seen them it shows movement, shape and qualities that a photograph can't convey. I really don't understand the Java sparrow deletion. If your problem is a fence, there was no fence? It shows how the birds behave and interact. If you think they are not high enough quality, go take your own videos and add those. But unless you can explain how they are not valuable I think they should be added back. Not everyone is an expert on bird motions or whatever you are claiming to be. So don't go around harassing me because you want to belittle my contributions (which I have no "attachment" to, I took them for Wikipedia--- to add to it's value not my value... as the main page says Wikipedia is "the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit." It's not about some weird "must have television quality visuals only" or something? The whole point is the democratization of knowledge. I will add the videos back if you don't disagree with me helping to share knowledge with the world, Nesnad (talk) 17:27, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Building a well-constructed encyclopedia is not congruent with the "everyone dumping all possible content on a page" approach you seem to favour. We all make value judgement about suitable material, all the time, and the way to resolve these issues is input from multiple editors. That is why we should be having this discussion on the affected articles' talk pages. However, no one is going to start a pro forma discussion for every revert they make, only if it is necessary. Hence: if you are so resolved to reinstate your material, I will revert it again, then kick of a discussion at the relevant talk page. At which time the matter will remain in abeyance until resolved by consensus (see WP:BRD).-- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 18:12, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I see you two editors are arguing about content on Wikipedia, so how did this all begin? On one hand we have Elmidae the reverter and on the other we have Nesnad the provider of videos. Elmidae seems to be pissed off by the addition of videos on articles while Nesnad seems to think otherwise. I used to have these kinds of fights with my wife but it stopped thanks to a third opinion, so maybe that's what is needed here. So first of all, Nesnad why are you adding videos? That's what your contributions are all about and Elmidae seems to be reverting a fair amount of these edits. Just be on good terms with each other, I think it might be helpful if you guys just stop this until you come to an agreement. This situation is like when there's an art project and one of the artists wants to add glitter to the project but one artist keeps on removing it so they eventually come into conflict. But ask yourself this question, Have you ever felt like you know you’re right, but the other person doesn’t understand? In this case just compromise, for example Elmidae can say "Maybe you're right, not everybody may be an expert or know how these creatures move" or Nesnad can say "Maybe Elmidae is right, maybe my videos are low quality". If not these, you can simply utter the words "I understand", these powerful words can have an effect but it doesn't you agree. I said what I had to say, if you can't agree then disengage.  Dancing  Dollar ( let's talk ) 19:40, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks Dancing Dollar, good thoughts. For my side, I don't want to provide low quality video so if Elmidae can point out if they are too low resolution or whatever I'm ok with not adding them. But complaining that the video isn't good because the fish is in a small tank (which many goldfish are, this isn't an encyclopedia of feel-good videos, it is about describing the creature) or that the animal is pacing in a cage (many do, once again) seems just to be emotional attacks on the content, nothing to do with them not helping to illustrate the articles. So I don't understand the gate keeping. To the point, I am open to a discussion on the matter but don't like unilateral "I am god of these articles!" kind of attitudes, that's all. Elmidae, no hard feelings to you as a person of course. I'm sure you are a great person. I just was rubbed the wrong way about your dismissal of the value I was trying to add. Cheers, Nesnad (talk) 05:23, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not interested in turning this into some grand contest of wills, and explaining a valuation of an image/video as unsuitable for an article is, from experience, a fruitless exercise if the other party does not want to look further than a higher resolution value. That's why we get other people's estimation at the relevant article talk page. -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 09:47, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 * You are still being combative. You went through all of them and deleted them, why is it too much work to tell me why you they they have no value? I am willing to listen. Why is it your choice to delete it but we have to debate it on the talk page to add them back? That still paints you as Wiki-God. Don't understand your power trip. I'm trying to be fair and discuss it with you, and you are just trying to act like judge jury. I'm confused. Nesnad (talk) 11:41, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

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Bacteria not validly published
Wikipedia has hundreds of articles on bacteria that are "not validly published" according to LPSN (I'm not sure what the SN in LPSN is actually supposed to mean: I would say that names that aren't validly published don't have any "Standing in Nomenclature"). I'm not supportive of creating stubs for species that that aren't validly published, but I'm not sure that all such articles should be deleted, or that "not validly published" status in LPSN is sufficient grounds for deletion (on the other hand, SPECIESOUTCOMES can't be applied as a reason to keep). To pick a couple species that aren't validly published: Mycobacterium orygis is a human and veterinary pathogen; Achromobacter obae has had the complete genome sequenced (although that also true for many other species these days). I think these are likely notable species. And it's not just species; there are a number of higher level taxa that haven't been validly published, most notably, Bacteria itself, but another is Class Tissierellia. I am having more trouble finding invalidly published higher taxa than last time I browsed LPSN, but there are still some out there (until fairly recently, phyla weren't covered by the nomenclatural code, so there were no phyla that were validly published until October 2021, also see a https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/newly-renamed-prokaryote-phyla-cause-uproar-69578 news story] about phyla names), but Wikipedia had articles on bacterial phyla before that (albeit under different names).

Not being published in IJSEM is a major reason why many names listed in LPSN aren't validly published, but IJSEM does regularly publish lists validating names published in other journals. The purported publication for Saccharopolyspora salina has numerous problems and I think that it is OK to delete, but using "not validly published" as a criterion for deleting bacteria article could end up leaving Wikipedia with holes in the higher taxonomy of bacteria. Plantdrew (talk) 19:25, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Here I thought we had specifically been using "not validly published" as a deletion criterion in the past, but maybe I have conflated that with related reasons. There's a bit of a hybrid zone between "validly published" and "widely accepted/used/recognized", I guess, where corner cases may arise. Well, that's why we have these discussions - so the corner cases can be argued :) -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 20:22, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

The Jungle Book and the Second Jungle Book
How are they NOT adventure novels? Just curious. (12.138.16.154 (talk) 19:00, 20 March 2023 (UTC)12.138.16.154)
 * They are short story collections; and some of the stories are adventures, some are fables, some are allegorical, and some are satires. Definitely not "adventure novels". -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 20:27, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

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Australian white ibis edits
Hi I am new to wiki and tried to add a citation to support my edits but didn’t succeed. The citation would be a PhD thesis from the University of Melbourne by KW Lowe “The feeding and breeding biology of the Sacred Ibis (sic Australian White Ibis) in southern Victoria”. 1984. Hoping you can re-instate my edits and advise how to add the citation. Cheers. Dribis (talk) 02:15, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi - that works. I've inserted the reference. It's a pity it is not freely available online, though. Did Lowe not publish these findings in a paper at some point? He seems to have made quite a career out of this species :) -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 14:30, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

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Crotalus Oreganus
Hello Elmidae,

I saw that you reverted my edit on the page Crotalus oreganus. Given that there are numerous other articles on species where the common name comes before the scientific name, I would like to have your opinion on why this page deserves to be written differently. I'm open to listening to anyone of your reasoning.

Sincerely, BLITZKRIEGCAT (talk) 16:35, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
 * The convention is that the first sentence of the lede attributes the text to the name of the article, then other names. That means that if the article name is "Common name", the first sentence usually goes "Common name (scientific name) is a ..."; if the article name is "Scientific name", then it usually goes "Scientific name, known as common Name, is ...". You might agree that this is a sensible arrangement to spare the reader needless puzzlement. If you think that for this article it should be the other way around than currently in use, that would be an argument about moving (i.e., renaming) the article itself to the common name. However, that is not entirely straightforward, as Crotalus_oreganus will show, and I would argue against any such proposal. Cheers -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 17:38, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @Elmidae Alright then, I can buy into this convention. BLITZKRIEGCAT (talk) 17:53, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

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Could you check, please?
Hello :-) Worked hard to add another article about a super rare disease: NTBI-Glycolysis-Cytopathy (NG-Cytopathy). But where if not here? People need to know. Would you be so kind to check it? As far as I understand this is necessary. Thanks a lot! BenjaminFeldman (talk) 23:18, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm currently seeing two issues with the article: one, the sourcing needs to be improved. More than half of the sections do not have a single source. This is especially crucial for medical articles because they are subject to stricter guidelines (WP:MEDRS). Second, it is not entirely clear to me that this is a recognized condition on its own, rather than just a coincident combination of separate conditions. The only source that seems to treat it as an entity is Jakovleva et al., as far as I can see (this source is in there twice, BTW). If the name is not in common usage, then that would be a case of synthesis on your part, which is not something we can do here. Can you show some sources that specifially discuss "NG-Cytopathy" as a discrete condition?


 * Because of the sourcing issues, I have moved the article to draft for the time being (Draft:NTBI-Glycolysis-Cytopathy (NG-Cytopathy)) where it can be worked on without pressure. Cheers -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 06:18, 12 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks. This is a very recent finding. Therefore, let’s delete the draft, please. I will wait a year or two until more studies are on the table, and then write a new article. It’s an extremely rare condition, therefore we have time. Most likely there will be way more works on it in the near future. By then the terminology should also be more reliable. Therefore, could you pls. delete the draft? I was a but too early I guess. I am professionally so much into these topics that in this case I was not strict enough towards myself. Thanks again! BenjaminFeldman (talk) 10:40, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
 * WP:There is no deadline :) -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 10:56, 12 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks! As you can see I am not experienced at all in this space here. I will definitely wait for more paper/studies etc. to be published. Whenever one is professionally involved in such topics one might forget that what is crystal clear for oneself might be too early for an encyclopedia. At least as long as there is not a coherent terminology and some papers are stuck in the peer review process. One tends to forget that the general public who is the audience here needs that clarity. I have the topic on my agenda and will see how the situation looks like in a year or two. There are other topics that have also to be added to Wikipedia, more established ones. To bring them in is better invested energy I guess. I thank you for your guidance. Have a pleasant day. BenjaminFeldman (talk) 17:27, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Baltic sea
Hello, Elmidae,

I do not understand your revert on this page.

no part of Ukraine is part of the drainage divide of any river flowing into the Baltic Sea (See : Drainage divide). You revered my correction without explanation, so I guess you have a different definition of what constitutes a basin country ?

thank you in advance.

SarmentFurtif (talk) 11:39, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
 * in such cases, check the referenced source, which for this statement is this. You can see that parts of western Ukraine are within the drainage basin - not much, but it does go a hundred or so km deep along one sub-system. -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 11:59, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Pileated woodpecker
Hi Elmidae! A colleague at the place where I work pointed me toward a citation on the "Pileated woodpecker" page which seems to be bogus ("Woodpecker excavations promote tree decay and carbon storage in an old forest"); this citation was added by back in March. After doing a quick search for it and realizing that the DOI was misassigned and the title did not yield any hits, I removed it. We suspect this was an AI-generated citation. Either way, I removed it and made a note on the WP:LLM talk page. I was wondering if you had any thoughts about this?--Gen. Quon[Talk] 14:09, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * beats me, frankly. I just went looking after this as well when I saw you remove it. Not only does the DOI point somewhere else, but no issue in this year of the paper's run has page numbers > 600, whereas this is stated to be in the 700s. It's nowhere in the adjacent volumes either. So, yeah - a hoax. I have no idea what the point of that was, seeing that the attributed statement seems credible and quite uncontroversial. Thanks for verifying! -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 14:18, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

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Could you check, please?
Hello :-) Would you be so kind to check the new article Oshtoran Syndrome. I worked hard on it and it would be a pity if it ends in the unchecked desert. And please, no internal link to PANS. Therefore the link to Standford. This topic has, for reasons only the Lord knows, been a battleground in the English Wikipedia of which the new article should not become a part of. Thanks so much in advance -BenjaminFeldman (talk) 11:56, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

about philippine eagle diplomacy
those are sourced from the website of the philippine eagle foundation. specifically for the pair which goes into more detail into them. what makes you think its unsourced?? Kurt247 (talk) 00:30, 9 September 2023 (UTC)


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Math
Hi!

I reverted back because it is impossible per our normal definition of the term in science.

jps (talk) 16:19, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Edit in Schneider Electric page
Hi @Elmidae, Thanks for reverting the last addition done to Schneider Electric page related to AECOP information. Would it be possible to replicate that change also un the French version of the page (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schneider_Electric) Thanks in advance! Beatriz at Schneider Electric (talk) 16:42, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi I hesitate to go reverting things on a WP project where I have no standing and can only just decipher the text (school French only goes so far...). Cross-project reverting has a tendency to attract criticism, for good reason. I suggest placing an edit request on that talk page and pointing out that this type of edit violates WP:UNDUE (that concept exists on all language version - here is the French one: ). What I find really descriptive here is our WP:Coatrack essay, but I don't believe that exists on frWP. -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 18:22, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi @Elmidae, thanks a lot for your quick answer. I fully understand. I'll ask the French wikipedians to check the content. Thanks a lot for your guidance too. That helps a lot. Have agreat day! Beatriz at Schneider Electric (talk) 07:07, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

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Java sparrow
Wisconsin86 was just blocked for WP:CITESPAM and that account is part of a whole ring of accounts whose sole purpose is to spam papers by Antonio Arnaiz-Villena into articles. ThaddeusSholto (talk) 17:43, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Doesn't matter as long as an editor in good standing takes it over and the statement and reference is correct; WP:FRUIT and all that. But as it happens, we were both wrong, because it was an unsuitable reference for a true statement. I have added the correct 2020 study instead. -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 17:50, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Redtail catfish
The image i edited in is simply labeled wrong. Brachyplatystoma does not resemble, which is obviously a SAmerican redtail catfish; you can verify the sorry state of images for the Piraiba yourself in Commons.

Giving you a heads up for the re-revert. Anthropophoca (talk) 11:09, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Cave wolf
Thank you for your resolute action at ANI. You were correct that changes did not need to be discussed at the Talk page just because of little new-content activity - this species has been one of the most overlooked in terms of research. Nonetheless, some days the article receives over 100 visitors.

I note that you have placed your trout slap for User:Augmented Seventh on my Talk page with a call, and that may have been your intention. Regards, 14.2.205.177 (talk) 21:09, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

An_Affair_of_Honor_(short_story)..
How many more citations are needed? Weavingowl (talk) 14:08, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * The minimum for showing notability and keeping the article is already met - one link to the story itself, and two critical assessments. However, one of those (the blog source) is rather weak, since it is self-published. Further WP:SECONDARY critical material is therefore desireable. I have removed the "short story tricks" reference, as this type of self-published mini-factoid is not considered reliable and does not add to the coverage of the work. -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 07:57, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
 * It's odd that I can't find anything else about it....maybe someone else will. Makes me wonder if it's just super obscure. Weavingowl (talk) 14:29, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

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Reverted draftification
Hello. I wanted to let you know that I reversed your draftification of ...a nastal chaos. The reason I did this is because articles older than 90 days should not be draftified without prior consensus at AfD, per WP:DRAFTIFY (point 2d). Hey man im josh (talk) 19:29, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

RFA2024 update: no longer accepting new proposals in phase I
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RFA2024 update: phase I concluded, phase II begins
Hi there! Phase I of the Requests for adminship/2024 review has concluded, with several impactful changes gaining community consensus and proceeding to various stages of implementation. Some proposals will be implemented in full outright; others will be discussed at phase II before being implemented; and still others will proceed on a trial basis before being brought to phase II. The following proposals have gained consensus:

See the project page for a full list of proposals and their outcomes. A huge thank-you to everyone who has participated so far :) looking forward to seeing lots of hard work become a reality in phase II. theleekycauldron (talk), via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 08:08, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
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 * Proposal 13 (in trial): Admin elections
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Nomination of Manav_Bhinder for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Manav_Bhinder is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Manav_Bhinder until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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Yaduvanshi Ahirs
What is the reason for merging Yaduvanshi Ahirs into Ahir article? 2409:4085:8583:6F2E:0:0:2A75:D0B0 (talk) 13:24, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
 * It's not me you have to discuss this with, but the folks editing at Talk:Yaduvanshi Ahirs. What I am seeing is the undiscussed, repeated re-instatement of a redirect that has been repeatedly confirmed over a decade now. Under such circumstances, you can not just try to force an old version back in over everyone else's take. Get consensus on the talk page please. -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 14:46, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

ANI suggestion
You commented on a post involving me on ANI. In absence of any wikiproject that I know of that deals with the translocation of species in prehistoric times, I informally contacted an individual editor with a significant track record of that sort of article. It seems unfair to post their answer on a high traffic site like ANI, but their answer is at. I don't know what opinion you have of the answer I got (presumably written on a mobile phone!), but it makes me think I perhaps undersold the level of problem that I and a small number of other editors have with the original complainant. Incidentally, I was thanked for the edit that seems to have triggered the ANI. You can see that this is an editor who has a small contribution to Austronesian peoples. I am beginning to believe that others have been driven away.

Any further thoughts you have would be welcome.

(I should say that I will probably be unable to answer anything on Wikipedia on Monday or most of Tuesday as I will be travelling.) ThoughtIdRetired TIR 19:38, 23 June 2024 (UTC)