User talk:Elmore3003

Welcome
Welcome to Wikipedia. When you make changes in an article, you need to supply citations to reliable sources so that other editors can see that your changes are based on verifiable information. Please also see WP:WELCOME. Best regards! -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:14, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

December 2014
Re Eileen (musical), the Operetta Research Center ref says that in "1997 ... it was produced and recorded by the Ohio Light Opera, using Herbert’s original orchestrations, reconstructed by Quade Winter from Herbert’s manuscripts, held in the collection of the Library of Congress." You keep making changes without citing your sources. Please add sources whenever you add information, so that other editors can verify your new information; new material added without citing sources may be removed. Also, if you edit war, you will be blocked from editing. Instead, please tell us, on the articles' Talk pages, what you are trying to accomplish, and we will try to help you. Just add a message to the articles' talk pages to explain your suggestion, giving your sources. -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:25, 7 December 2014 (UTC)


 * I do not understand Wikipedia at all! I find no one to answer question; I was logged off for a year and I could not get a password link emailed until yesterday, after numerous attempts; and I sure as hell do not understand this "Talk" concept. Mr Clarke, who apparently is The Operetta Research Center, is a great ally of the Ohio Light Opera, but that doesn't mean he knows much about their corrupt editions, Victor Herbert, or facts, and this is one complaint I have with Wikipedia: just reprint the incorrect info because it's documented. I am Larry Moore, who has edited the recording scores for Eileen, Dearest Enemy, the Jerome Kern 1933 musical Roberta; i've spent 10+ years researching a history of the 1903 "Babes in Toyland," which is not, as Wiki[edia claims, an "operetta";  When I write about Dearest enemy or Eileen, I know them better at this point than anyone else alive.  I worked on the 1982 Eileen and every production by Bill Tynes' New Amsterdam Theatre Company; I worked for years with John McGlinn, the Gershwin Trust, the Cole Porter Trust, the Kurt Weill Foundation, and the Rodgers & Hammerstein Organization.  I know period musical theatre very well, but I'm not here to toot my horn; I simply want to get the information correcy on the subjects I really know. -- Signed by User talk:Elmore3003.


 * We are here to answer questions. It's very simple:  When you add information, you also need to cite reliable sources. We can only depend on published sources. If you think a source is wrong, then give us other sources that refute it. You can cite liner notes from CDs, but it would be better to cite theatre books and articles published by reliable sources. I would like to work with you to improve the articles, but instead I am forced to come back here to beg you to work within our policies or guidelines. Please read WP:COI for more information. Since you have done research on these musicals, then you should know what the best sources are: cite them, giving the bibliographic details (author name, date of publication, publisher and url or page number), and discuss anything you wish on the articles' Talk pages (every article has a Talk tab at the top). -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:13, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Please stop edit warring, as you just did at Dearest Enemy and Eileen. Read WP:LEAD, and you will see why these details are not appropriate for the Lead section. The details of the historical situation are discussed in more detail elsewhere in the article. Discuss what you want to do on the article's Talk page and reach a WP:CONSENSUS with other editors before revising the article. Otherwise you may be blocked from editing. -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:23, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Recent work
Hi, I've seen you make some possibly good additions to a few articles, but you need to add sources: without reliable sources the information will possibly be removed as soon as it is noticed. When it is removed, please make sure you don't just revert back and enter into an war - that leads to censure and can lead to ablock if it becomes problematic. It's best to work with other editors, rather than against them. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 23:21, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
 * You need to take this on board rather quickly, because you are starting to,be disruptive. Can I strongly suggest you open a thread on the various talk pages to discuss your additions? You will find the conversation productive. - SchroCat (talk) 06:49, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

I'm out. Thank you for your help but I cannot decipher. we are in two different dimensions, and I find Wikipedia impossible to navigate. I only went on to update information, but it's a very unhelpful site and, since Wikipedia prefers to document incorrect information as long as it's in print over facts gleaned from working in the materials or direct experence, I have no need to continue to beat my head against a wall here.


 * Well, as you can't be bothered even to sign your name to your messages, I am not surprised that you don't want to take a moment to tell us what sources you have used (or can identify) to verify the information that you added. Better to just complain and pout. -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:12, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Sign my name? Hell, I didn't know I had to! And i wasn't pouting. I'm siply sick of the frustrations of this site. Sincerely yours, Larry Moore. -- Signed by User talk:Elmore3003.

Start again
Sorry about that. To automatically sign your Talk page messages, you simply put four tildes after your message, like this: ~. I'm not sure what you are frustrated by. Let me back up and start over: We are asking you for two things: 1) When you add information to an article, also please add a citation to a reliable, published source that contains the information you are adding (such as a book, article or liner notes); and 2) When someone disagrees with an addition you have made and removes it, then instead of just re-adding it (which is called Edit warring), instead, go to the article's Talk page and begin a discussion of the matter to see if you can persuade other editors why the new information is appropriate. Thanks. -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:39, 8 December 2014 (UTC)