User talk:ElvisFan1981/Archive 4

May 2008
Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia!

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Alex Muller   19:19, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I didn't realise that there was a Username policy. Thanks for your advice, I will look into changing my username now, and hope to choose one more appropriate. Thanks for your help. ChanelleHayes (talk) 19:23, 29 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I noticed your request to change your username - many thanks for understanding, and feel free to let me know if you have any issues with anything here in the future. All the best, Alex Muller   19:39, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

It's nice to see another editor involved with the elvis article. I have looked at your suggestions on the Elvis Talk Page and you open minded attitude for discussion. Give me a couple of days and I will cross check those points you have brought up with other sources and we can all go from there. Looking forward to it.--Jaye9 (talk) 10:52, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I'd appreciate you cross checking the information, it's important the article is accurate and fair. Any information you can add or improve within my suggestions would be very welcome. ElvisFan1981 (talk) 11:37, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Elvis
Hi there. Hope you approve of our recent joint efforts. I was wondering whether this: "Eventually Gladys and Elvis moved out, and back to Tupelo to live with her cousins Frank and Leona Richards. This move is thought to have been due to conflict with Vernon's father, Jessie—he and Gladys didn't see eye to eye.[17]" is a little too much info as it isn't that significant about Elvis. And we need to keep things simple. We could just say they moved in with relatives. Whaddya think? Rikstar (talk) 18:49, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for your reply and approval. I hope others agree with our edits. Ya doing a great job. I don't mind where you put replies to my posts; my talk page is fine. Rikstar (talk) 19:18, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your Tickle Me post. I'll review it, just reading my messages at the moment. Thanks again for all your contributions! Rikstar (talk) 18:55, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi ElvisFan1981,

Firstly,please allow me to appologise to you,as I said I would get back to you in a few days,with some more souces re:your suggestions. Unfortunatley I got tied up with other things I'm sorry. However it seems that between you and Rikstar have been working on this and are happy with the results,which is great. If you would like,I could still check some more sources for that or anything in the future,I would be more than happy to do so,please just ask. Also El,would it be okay if I put something done on your talk page that I found interesting to read,it may or may not be of help with the article,if it does great,if not that's okay as well,I would not be offended. Best wishes--Jaye9 (talk) 00:15, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Hey El,here's the review for ya!

"In the years following WW11,teenagers tended to seek idols their own age,almost as if there was greater security in being among those with the same problems and needs. Presley would appear to be a natural phenomenon in terms of this marked trend.

Although it has sometimes been said that no major star suffered through more bad movies than Elvis Presley,we must not forget the merits of several of his films including Love Me Tender(1956),Loving You(1957,Jailhouse Rock(1957)and King Creole(1958).

Phillip Dunne's film Wild In The Country(1961)written by Clifford Odets(Bus Stop)is one of Presley's more interesting and challenging movies. It provided him a role which in the early 1950s would have suited James Dean or Marlon Brando. Unfortunately,the star's manager,Tom Parker,insisted there were songs in the film because it was an "Elvis Presley" picture.

I appreciate film expert Doug Tomlison's words: "In the first scene of his movie debut (Love Me Tender) Elvis was seen deep in the frame laboriously dragging a plough. In retrospect,we can only marvel at how prophetic that shot was considering the material he was convinced to drag through movie theatres for the next fourteen years." written by Bill Collins (Australian film critic and television presentor)for Optus/Foxtell August 2008 Movie Guide Magazine

I didn't write the entire article,but I thought it was well written,even with it's critical review by film expert Doug Tomlison which was critical yes that fine but it wasn't defamatory either. Overall a well balanced review. That's the sort of writting I like to read.--Jaye9 (talk) 13:18, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Please see the Elvis article discussion board, cheers. - JFONSEKA - 122.106.163.193 (talk) 09:10, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Elvis and the Beatles
I thought their meeting in 1965 should be included, even though nothing remarkable came from it. There are lots of differing accounts of what happened, people's reactions, etc. I wonder where it should be mentioned in the article too. Let me know what you think. Rikstar (talk) 17:12, 6 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Hello! I think a new section on famous people he met wouldn't work; it would just be like a list - Elvis met x in 1958, worked with y in 1961, met z in 1964, etc. There has to be something significant about the encounter for it to be given a mention (like Nixon), although some famous names can be mentioned in passing. I think some of the stars he made films with should be put in "Acting career"; Walter Matthau, Barbara Stanwyck, Angela Landsbury, etc. Rikstar (talk) 05:37, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

68 Special
Hello again. Appreciate your efforts in this section. Some bits, like the opening sentence, seem a bit too personal/editorial. We got to make sure that the link article on the Special is worthy of any major additions/changes before adding to the main Presley article section - for consistency's sake. I'll do a bit of a clean up anyway to make it all fit. Thanks again - sure good to have someone contributing so much. Rikstar (talk) 22:01, 7 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Yo! Just wondered if the Binder quote in italics is like that in the original source. If so I'll add something to that effect, cos it looks odd unless it's clarified. Rikstar (talk) 20:21, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Elvis clarification
On December 29, Billboard revealed that Presley had the most songs in the Top 100 since the chart began.

Hi again. The above edit needs clarifying, hope you can help. Does it mean Elvis had the most songs in the Top 100 in that particular week, as opposed to any accumulation of hits in the Billboard charts, since his career began? It's a bit ambiguous as it stands. I've done a lot of tweaking lately, hope you approve, especially the Beatles bits. Rikstar (talk) 13:26, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll try to check it out as well. Glad you like progress so far. It's good you can take a neutral view during editing; the article's been missing your kind of input. Rikstar (talk) 14:25, 11 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Good additions, just need to add citations throughout. Rikstar (talk) 19:11, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks again, for your recent edits. I've made few (I'm sure you've noticed). I did some clean up to maintain style and keep things neutral; some editors would jump all over the article if it looked like Elvis "fanatics" had been using language that was too favourable... I think things are looking really good, and it should be nominated for a Good Article, at least. Rikstar (talk) 15:17, 17 August 2008 (UTC

LMP
I am new to this their is an editor who wants all of the chart positions referenced. I am not sure how do do this. The editor Realist2 says he or she doesn't give a crap either way but gave a waring. Can you reference the chart singles and Album or the information will be removed.24.239.168.171 (talk) 02:06, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Welcome Back
--Jaye9 (talk) 12:09, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Festive Cheer
Wishing you and yours a safe and wonderful Christmas and I look forward to editing with you in the new year.--Jaye9 (talk) 01:19, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Many thanks for all your editing efforts since you got involved with 'Elvis'. It can be very trying at times, but I think you already know that! I have a mind to edit it down to 'bare bones', but I will do this in a sandbox so the main article is unaffected. I got to thinking about doing this after reading 'Judy Garland', a featured article recently. Then again, I might just not have the energy... Very best wishes. Rikstar (talk) 19:53, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

New year, new article
Thought you might want to take a look at this:, my version of the Elvis article, minus a lot of crap. It's about half the length(!) of the existing article. Any thoughts on it appreciated. Rikstar (talk) 23:13, 1 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Many thanks for your comments! I'm still working on it a bit, but I think it'll soon need to go public in the main talkpage. I'm not sure about the feasability of it replacing the existing article. The main thing is we've now got a basic biography to work with. One of the main things I was conscious of was ejecting bloat and bringing in more about Presley's music. I've added images from other linked articles; I assume they can all be used. I hope all this renews people's faith in the possibility of achieving a decent article at last!! Rikstar (talk) 00:10, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

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I Didn't Take It That Way Sweetie
Your calm and mature responses on this talk page,have given me reason to look into myself on occasions and not get to emotional sometimes. Rikstar has the same effect on me. I'm going to have a week or so off, I'm a bit 141'd out at the moment,he thinks how he thinks,but I just carn't relate to it. I'm only trying to find sources that make sense to me and I believe are telling the truth. The sources I rely on alot is Lamar Fike,Marty Lacker, Billy Smith, Red West Sony West and the many others that were close to Elvis,that have shown to be consistant with their stories. Some of what is said is liitle rough around the edges sometimes, doesn't make me like Elvis any less. Isn't that what's being a fan is all about. The good and bad,it applies to family and friends and they to me, in our own lives,same same it's all about being human.

Thanks so much for being involved in this article,you make me want to hang in there.--Jaye9 (talk) 11:45, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you
What a you 25,I'm reaching nearly forty and you can show me a thing or two as far as working in with people. Some of your posts have calmed me down on how I have responded on the Elvis Talk page and I thank you for that. Sorry,I've alwayw been emotional,whether it' been to compliment someone or to say i think youv've gone to far,that's my nature.which doesn't always fit in with Wikipedia rules I'm afraid. I have tried to work in with 141,but I just carn't see where he is coming from. I called him an AH editor,the other day,it's not healthy. Whether it's a personanity problem between us I don't know, but it's effecting my role here as an editor and for that reason and others, while ever 141 is here I've decided I cannot return,sadly for me,I'd love to stay here, and it's easyfor me--Jaye9 (talk) 10:40, 27 July 2009 (UTC) to point out 141 falts ,but I have my own as well.

In finishing off,if you would like to get my e-mail from Wikipedia you've got my ok. In fact,I'd very much like to stay in touch with you, from time to time,if that's okay with you. Elvis Fan to Elvis Fan,I got some recordings that will not you socks off. --Jaye9 (talk) 10:40, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Finstad
Thanks for your note on my user page. See my reply on the Elvis talk page. Onefortyone (talk) 23:47, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

I've finally got around to my reply
Sorry for the delay.--Jaye9 (talk) 13:28, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

D J Fontana
Hi there. Glad to see you making headway with the Presley article. I'm taking a break - too much trouble's been brewing in me because of all the hassle it's been causing.

If you check out, and the section Before Elvis what did you do?, there's an account about why Fontana's work in strip clubs was significant when he began working with Elvis. I think that's why it was originally mentioned, though it wasn't worded well enough to explain the significance. Rikstar 409  08:25, 27 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks so much for your reply on my talkpage - much appreciated. And I think your readdition looks fine! Rikstar  409  02:13, 29 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Hello again. I've made a few edits today. Dipping my toe in the water...! I hope they are OK. If not let me know. I have one query: didn't Elvis sing all the songs he knew after not singing "Without You" so well to Sam Phillips? I think this was the reason Phillips thought a try out with Scotty and Bill was a good idea. I'm not sure, what do you think? I thought it should be included, as it looks like he got the try out on the basis of not doing well with one song. Rikstar  409  11:32, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Article redux
Could you elaborate for me please on the changes you made here. Although I'm not questioning that it may have needed some clean up, you seem to have deleted large sections on information, including citations.--Jojhutton (talk) 13:27, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

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Elvis on Tour
You have twice now restored a reference and attached text in this article which was added as spam and legitimately removed as such, see here. I have removed the link as it is not a reliable source regardless but have kept the text with a citation request, please provide a source or delete the text. Cheers. Rehevkor ✉ 21:58, 23 June 2010 (UTC)


 * After reading the "Spam" page that you link to in your above post, I do not see how anything that I have done is connected to that in any way. May I point out that it wasn't me who initially added the link, I merely re-added it after it was removed in someone's previous edit because the DVD information is usually quite important to articles on films/television shows etc. I don't understand how that particular link is spam because it links to a site that specifically details future release dates for DVD's, it doesn't link to a shop or a specific product for sale, it's a simple link to back up the date of release. Surely ANY website that lists the release date would be considered a "spam" site in your eyes? How, then, does someone back up that information? ElvisFan1981 (talk) 06:30, 24 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Quick update; I've added a citation from the Official Website elvis.com, good enough for the Featured Article Elvis Presley and so I would assume good enough for the article Elvis on Tour. Many thanks.ElvisFan1981 (talk) 06:40, 24 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I didn't say you had anything to do with adding the link, I said you restored it twice. It was originally added by a spam only account here. It was then legitimately reverted by MER-C here. The link is undoubtedly spam and was clearly deleted as such, regardless of that it has not been established as a reliable source and should not be used. If you felt the added text had merit you were welcome to restore that but should restore the link. Things such as this can usually be backed up by legitimate sources and the source spammed in bad faith should not be considered. Rehevkor ✉ 14:42, 24 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I understand what you're saying now, the problem clearly was the citation, not the text. If the two editors who removed the citation had simply left the text and added a tag with an edit summary explaining it was a bad cite and required a more legitimate one (as you did this time) then I would not have felt the need to restore any of those edits at all. I still don't understand how "discdish" is a spam citation, but if you say it is, and wikipedia rules say it is, then that's fine. This whole situation has clearly just been a misunderstanding and hopefully people, in future, will do what you did this time and add a fact tag instead of just removing text that is legitimate. Many thanks. ElvisFan1981 (talk) 15:36, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * After having a quick look back over the history of the page I can see exactly why I restored the link. It wasn't because the link was removed, it was because a number of previous edits had screwed up the whole page, including the introduction and the background sections. All I did was rollback to a version that wasn't screwed up. The link was simply restored by accident and no one, until your recent edit, explained why it was a spam link. All water under the bridge now, though. Back to the tennis..... ElvisFan1981 (talk) 15:43, 24 June 2010 (UTC)


 * The link was added by a single purpose account who's only role was to promote Dishdash by adding multiple links within Wikipedia articles, reference spamming. When mass reverting edits like these it's usually an easier matter to simply revert the edit's contribution without judging the merits of any text that was added - when removing hundreds of links it's just not practical to do anything but. People who hold themselves responsible for the articles in question can do that and restore the text attaching a reliable source. If it seems the link was added in good faith a citation needed tag is always more appropriate, but this was not the case. Cheers! Rehevkor ✉ 22:23, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Beaulieu
I'm from Montreal, Quebec, and you never put an s to a family name, in french or in english. If you do so, it's a mistake. You can write : Beaulieu's but never Beaulieus, it's a family name and it's invariable. I hope you will change by yourself the change you've had made to my own User: Ulysse2000


 * I have changed it to "Beaulieu's" now. Why didn't you do that? "The Beaulieu" made less sense than Beaulieus. All you had to do was add the apostrophes instead of removing the S's. Anyway, it's done now and I hope it's correct to everyone. ElvisFan1981 (talk) 06:26, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

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Heartbreak Hotel
A GA review on Heartbreak Hotel is in progress and has been put on hold for an initial seven days to allow time to address issues raised. See Talk:Heartbreak Hotel/GA2. Assistance in developing the article would be welcomed.  SilkTork  *YES! 13:18, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for adding the details about Country Music Disc Jockey Convention, most of the sources I found were not making clear where it was really that the song was presented to Elvis.--Gduwen (talk) 19:00, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Sorry I couldn't get back to you before, my computer was down for a while. It's good to hear that you got plenty of information in books, we could add the controversy of who really wrote the song (if you got the sources), as you say, there's a lot of contradictory information around the web, this article really deserves to be a GA. I'm taking care of the covers section by now. --Gduwen (talk) 21:50, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Like Elvis said, "Hot dog, HOT DOG", the article is looking real well with the info you added, I'm working on the Legacy and Covers section, tomorrow is the next review, so I'll put some work today. --Gduwen (talk) 22:58, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, some reliable sources were hard to find, most of the stuff i found were fan sites and blogs but Google Books covered it. --Gduwen (talk) 22:36, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Good Article
Well done. Good work.  SilkTork  *YES! 15:34, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

King Creole
Hi, I've been working in the article of King Creole to nominate it to Good Article. I made several changes to the article and expanded it, but I think it might need a closer look by another user. I don't own books about Elvis and it would be really helpful if you could help me a bit in expanding the information that I found online. Many thanks.-- GD uwen  Tell me!  22:29, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Probably the production section can be expanded a little bit more, I bet that there is more information in the books about it. With some work I think that it will be ready soon, and it's something really important knowing that it was one of Elvis' best performances as an actor. Looking at the chart of articles by quality and importance of the WikiProject you can see that there are only two important articles of the with high standards: Elvis' and Heartbreak Hotel. I'm trying to develop others too, and since you worked in both we'll probably could work together in some more articles in the future.-- GD <font color="#273BE2" size="2.5px">uwen  <font color="cyan" size="0.5px">Tell me!  02:30, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

RfC
Hi, ElvisFan. There's an RfC going on about my poor attitude: Requests for comment/DocKino. I didn't want to drag anyone else into this, but 141 has now gotten involved in it in a major way. I think it's important for the other editors to get some idea of who they're dealing with. I believe you and Rikstar were subjected to his...unique approach for years before I got involved with Elvis Presley. Maybe you'd care to see a few words at the RfC. Thanks. DocKino (talk) 21:30, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

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thanks for checking that source
Looks like I'll have to rent that one again. Will let you know what I find. It did occur to me to list the time on the dvd when I heard this. I even had someone listen to make sure I was hearing correctly. Question. Do you have the revised edition as listed in the reference on the Perkins page? (Sure wish some had challenged this years ago!) Steve Pastor (talk) 19:23, 20 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Briefly? - I don't own that dvd, as I think I mentioned. So, I picked it up last night at Movie Madness in Portland. After about 15 min. I figured you were right and it wasn't on there. Because you brought this up, I picked up a second dvd done on the "Elvis Presley" album. What actually is in there - details to come - was the "Boy that's fine. That's just about a POP record now" comment by Phillips followed by Elvis saying "[unintelligable?] Carl Perkins". This segment is supposed to be about "Mystery Train", but Phillips said that after they did "Blue Moon of Kentucky," according to a source I have. (I suppose he could have said the same thing again, but???) Anyhow, now I have a digital camera and recorder to work with and will provide more info, and can "take notes" for myself also. When I first brought his up years ago - I did the Perkins thing in 2008 I see - 141 was being treated very badly. (I see that issue is being addressed elsewhere.) I felt that there was no spirit of cooperation, or even civility, at all around the article. So I left. It was probably later that I did the Perkins thing. And got it wrong. So, I'm taking down that ref until I get full details and get it right. Appreciate your being willing to discuss this. And I really enjoyed seeing Elvis in his early years again. Steve Pastor (talk) 17:04, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

The dvd is Classic Albums - Elvis Presley: Elvis Presley (2001) Will post short clip from it somewhere, youtube or wikimedia. Steve Pastor (talk) 18:59, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Wanted to let you know that I agree that the sound changes. But it could have been that Elvis leaned closer to the mike to address the comment to Sam Phillips, and of course it would sound different if he was closer and was the only sound source in the room at the time. If someone who did audio tape forensics could say for certain that there is a discontinuity to the source, I would of course reconsider. And congrats on your understanding what Elvis said! Steve Pastor (talk) 01:27, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

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Elvis Albums
Thanks for the support. Unfortunately, the person identifing himself (or herself) as Hengrock seems hell-bent on undoing everything, thereby restoring bad links, poor text, uncertified information and (in my opinion) sloppy looking track listings. We'll see how long this edit war continues. Jimknut (talk) 22:55, 20 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I definitely think your edits looked better. I've experienced edit wars myself here on Wikipedia, and they can be quite annoying. I'd recommend reading up on the article Edit warring, if you haven't already done so. There is advice there about how to deal with an edit war and where to seek guidance from more advanced editors who will be happy to advise on the situation. Please feel free to seek my opinion on the matter if you are needing support. :) ElvisFan1981 (talk) 12:58, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

File:Elvishounddog.jpg listed for deletion
A file that you uploaded or altered, File:Elvishounddog.jpg, has been listed at Files for deletion. Please see the to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. (ESkog)(Talk) 02:34, 7 June 2013 (UTC)