User talk:Emetflux

Enochian Magick
Hey i noticed in your recent edits to the Enochian page you used themagickalreview.com as a source. Im suprised you know about it. You wouldnt happen to be the guy who runs the site? I actually know him rather well. He is where i got a copy of the enochian manuscripts before he published them. - Debeo Morium: to be morally bound (Talk | Contribs) 00:57, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * No, I don't run the Magickal Review. But I am doing some research on the development of Enochian magic, and have found their publication of the Sloane MSS extremely helpful. I think it ought to be better known, since when the digital revolution is used in this way we don't have to rely on secondary sources so much anymore. So kudos to them ;)(Emetflux 14:16, 3 September 2007 (UTC))


 * Oh well in that case you might find my own site useful. Its a bit in its infancy but has a lot of great resources. You can see it here. I also have scanned high resolution copies of the manuscripts on themagickalreview as well as a few manuscripts of enochian they dont have, you can find the manuscripts here. Let me know if you found any of it useful or if you enjoyed the resources on the site. - Debeo Morium: to be morally bound (Talk | Contribs) 18:53, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Indeed this looks very helpful. PDF files are much easier to handle for one thing, and the additional material here is interesting. Especially the Ashmole documents were something I wanted to consult. Say, do you have any connection with the Order of the Cubic Stone? (Emetflux 13:43, 4 September 2007 (UTC))


 * Funny you should ask. Very few people know of the order of the cubic stone, and even fewer know anything specific about it. However the order has been an interest of mine for about 10 years now. I certainly know more then most. I even think I have a dozen or so of their early news letters from back when they were official and active. It even partially inspired the name for the site. What in particular did you want to know about them? - Debeo Morium: to be morally bound (Talk | Contribs) 17:51, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Very interesting. The name of the site combined with the nature of your interest and obvious knowledge of the topic and sources led me to suspect a connection. I too have found it hard to dig up information about them. I was mostly curious more generally, as I think the phenomenon they at least seem to represent is interesting. I would be very curious to find out what the content of their newsletters consisted of, and what kind of practical work they did. I have also been meaning to find out which background the members came from (especially occult-wise). Since they seem to have been "back-to-the-sources" purists it is interesting to watch their whole enterprise in comparison with earlier occult trends, especially following the grand G.D. synthesis, but also Thelemic, Aurum Solis and other receptions. I take it you are in contact with some of the original members? (Emetflux 16:21, 6 September 2007 (UTC))


 * I have been in contact with members of many occult organizations. While my focus is enochian i like to study all religions and all aspects of the occult. I don.t like the idea of faith in one viewpoint at the expense of all other knowledge. This seems to be common amongst occultists. I have had contact or continue to have contact with people from: OTO, AA, Cubic Stone, Aurum solis, Golden Dawn, Church of Satan (I am not a satanist, but i dont discriminate when it comes to understanding), and many others. Im happy to share anything i may know about this organizations or religious/occult topics. As for the order of the cubic stone, they are very much a purist order. They encouraged all members to read Dee's original journals and draw their own understanding from it then disseminate it as a group. Their newsletters often included passages from the journals with translation. In fact the majority of their newsletters were just that, with the occasional member essay or bulletin thrown in for good measure. Any rituals they had were directly from the source material and very little of their own opinion was added to any formally accepted ritual (contrary to the other Enochian orders i listed). Would you like me to try to dig up those newletters and post them on my site for you? Is there anything else you'd like to know on the topic? - Debeo Morium: to be morally bound (Talk | Contribs) 19:26, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * No worries about the Satanists; I have good friends in that camp myself. As I also do in OTO, AA, GD and other occult circles. But back to the point; I would be very grateful if you put out those newsletters - that would have been a great resource. Or else, if the guys from the Cubic Stone don't like it to get online, I would be very happy to just have it e-mailed.. ;) Apart from that, it seems like we have many shared interests and there is probably many things that could be interesting to discuss with you. One thing springs to mind though: I have been wondering about the Aurum Solis' claims about their past (i.e. their being founded in the 1890s). It seems to me that at least a lot of what they are about in their present incarnation dates mostly to the 70s with the publication of the Magical Philosophy. Especially, the Enochian material there seems to be rather much influenced by G.D. sources as published by Regardie (with some additional research into the sources probably having been done). Would you happen to know how much Enochian material would be present in the early A.S. - if indeed such an Order actually existed (some sources tell me there has been some creativity involved in writing their history)? (Emetflux 21:38, 6 September 2007 (UTC))


 * I think this thread should be moved to the Enochian talk page. Since we are talking about things that to me seem like they could be useful to the article. I would like to add brief mentions of most of those orders/organizations and add pages for the organizations that dont already have their own. Ny the way i should point out im not in any of these organizations, i just know a lot about them. - Debeo Morium: to be morally bound (Talk | Contribs) 21:30, 7 September 2007 (UTC)