User talk:EmileighWard/sandbox

Hey group, so after looking at the different article for our last assignment I am curious as to which articles you thought were the best and which needed the most work and why. After looking at it I think the structure of developing a page on an individual person rather than a method/subject etc would have a good base and be very straight forward to ensure we hit all the important sections needed for a great page. This is just an idea. What do you think? EmileighWard (talk) 17:17, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi group, Emileigh I agree with you that the formatting for a biography of a person would be the most ideal because I think the different sections sort of create themselves ie "Early Life, Education, Career, Personal Life" etc.and then it's easy to figure out where we still need more research if a certain section is a stub- I have a couple of ideas of people we could choose.

1. Jeanne Tsai- Personality psychologist that was mentioned quite a few times in our Personality class and has made a lot of important contributions in cross-cultural research on personality differences and affective styles. Her wikipedia entry is just a stub of 2-3 sentences and there is a lot of info about her and her research that is easy to find so would be quite easy to make a huge improvement.

2. Helen Friedman- popular psychologist who has a radio show, writes for CosmoGIRL and is an adjunct professor at St. Louis University Medical School, her entry is also just a stub that has only one small section and could easily be improved with all of the available info out there.

Will update if I think of any others, let me know what you are thinking of as well.

Xanthe.dick (talk) 18:28, 12 September 2018 (UTC)Xanthe Dick

Hello, I agree with you both, this will allow for a very straight forward editing which will help us create a very effective wiki page. I think we should edit Jeanne Tsai. Like Xanthe said, with the vast amount of information on her we can make great improvements onto her page. Flyingeagle42 (talk) 03:06, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Those both seems like great candidates. While looking on the internet and than checking back up on wiki I have found another individual who only has a short page of their own. This person is Walter Charles Langer. I personally find him interesting considering I am also a criminal justice minor. Walter was a psychoanalyst who's main focus was on Adolf Hitler. EmileighWard (talk) 03:16, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

I looked into Walter Charles Langer a bit and I think that he would be the most interesting option- I am learning a lot about wartime psychology in my cultural anthropology class and how there was this big surge in popularity of psychology and anthropology because people had a really big interest in "thinking like the enemy" during WWII so this would also allow us to put in a lot of interesting information about the historical and cultural context in which his work on Adolf Hitler arose, do a section about the critical reception of his work, etc. I think this is a great topic to really delve into and could go in a lot of different directions with all of our different interest areas. I think we should use Walter Charles Langer as our first choice, and Jeanne Tsai as the second. Let me know if you both agree and we can email Dr. Council with our final decision. Xanthe.dick (talk) 20:42, 17 September 2018 (UTC)Xanthe.dick

I agree with you. I can email him and let him know our first and second topics as well as that we are using my talk page to discuss the project EmileighWard (talk) 02:26, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

After looking over the talk page for Langer, i found minimal information or conversation that took place. It seems to me that he just merely isn't of much interest to people, at least to the extent that they are willing to put in a little effort to make changes or additions to his page. Therefore, an issue i have with the current page would be its lack of detail and explanation. While this is presumably due to its inherently short length, Langers page simple spews out a few tidbits of information and does not expand on what was just stated. For example it was stated the he did not have his MD but his PhD, however they did not say what his PhD was in and why he was accepted into the American Psychiatric Association regardless of his lack of MD. A few references i have found that may be beneficial to his page would be the first reference listed, to which we get a little more insight as to what kind of research he Langer did and his interactions with other psychologists, the second being a journal article of the assessment of Adolf Hitler which includes information as to the interaction and content that took place and was developed between Langer and Hitler. references: Gifford, Sanford. "The Rediscovery of Walter Langer, 1899–1981." American Imago, vol. 74 no. 4, 2017, pp. 467-482. Project MUSE, doi:10.1353/aim.2017.0032 Coolidge, F. L., Davis, F. L., & Segal, D. L. (2007). Understanding madmen: A DSM-IV assessment of Adolf Hitler. Individual Differences Research, 5(1), 30-43. Lastly, for Dr. Council, I am slightly concerned with the ability to produce enough information for this page. After digging deeper and deeper to my ability there truly is limited information on Langer, and when there is it is solely focused on the major overlapping details of Hitler. i attempted to look on google scholar and NDSU libraries, do you have an suggestions? Additionally, i believe the majority of information gathered will be from Langers writing of The Mind of Adolf Hitler: The Secret War Time Report, would it be a problem to have the majority of citing come from this? i believe it to truly be the most beneficial, overarching, and applicable source of information for this page. EmileighWard (talk) 22:24, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Group,

For assignment 4 I noticed that one of the biggest problems with the original Wikipedia article on Langer is that it doesn't really mention his education or training at all, other than the fact that he graduated from Harvard in 1923. I think it would be important to include this, as Langer was trained in Psychoanalysis during a time when students could only be fully trained in the discipline in Europe. So, he studied in Austria and was analyzed by Anna Freud at one point. During his time in Austria he also helped efforts against the rise of Nazism and helped many Jews and Anti-Nazi activists escape. These details I feel are not only interesting but also help paint a picture of his perspective and the background that he would have been able to draw from with his work on Hitler. Emileigh- I found a few decent sources on his time in Vienna and also a Wikipedia entry for his brother that has more information about their family, so I will see what else I can find. I think we can still do it and there is enough info out there for us to add a few small sections about his personal life and education, and a much longer section on his research. Another thought I had, was that we might be able to call around to Universities where he studied or taught and see if they have anything archived about him? Depending on how deep we want to get into things. I will update with more ideas and my sources later tonight. So in essence the main change I'm suggesting is I think we should add an "Education and Early Life" section or something to that effect. Let me know what you think. Xanthe.dick (talk) 23:16, 2 October 2018 (UTC)Xanthe.dick (talk) 23:03, 2 October 2018 (UTC)Xanthe.dick

I found this source: "Origins of the Psychological Profiling of Political Leaders: The US Office of Strategic Services and Adolf Hitler" in the Journal of Intelligence and National Security, Vol 29 Issue 5 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/02684527.2013.834217?src=recsys& It gives a bit of background on Langer and the lasting legacy of his work as well as surrounding controversies. I think we could potentially use this to add in a "Legacy" section where we talk about how his profile of Hitler helped shape later research and the idea of profiling political leaders. There is also this paper co-written by Langer- "An American analyst in Vienna During the Anschluss 1936-1938" https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/1520-6696%28197801%2914%3A1%3C37%3A%3AAID-JHBS2300140107%3E3.0.CO%3B2-F which is cited in the Wikipedia article so is technically against the rules and wont count as one of my two sources, but the authors of the Wikipedia article could have taken a lot more from it and there is a lot of info there that we should still use. Xanthe.dick (talk) 06:47, 3 October 2018 (UTC)Xanthe.dick

Dr. Council's comments on Assignment 5
First -- This is on the wrong page. When you make the corrections I will suggest, please move your to-do, outline, and refs to User:EmileighWard/sandbox. Some specific comments follow: J.R. Council (talk) 21:20, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
 * 1) Please make your to-do list a real list. On the list, indicate which group member will be responsible for that task.
 * 2) I notice you want to include a picture. Please type 'Help:Menu/Images and media' into the search box for guidelines and instructions. The main thing you need to be aware of is that only images in the public domain can be included without permissions.
 * 3) Learn proper formatting. The reason your outline is in grayed-out boxes is that you have blank leading spaces in the lines. You can't do this in a published article.
 * 4) Otherwise, looks good!
 * For full credit, you all need to make commitments about which tasks you will be responsible for. Xamthe also needs to add to refereness. J.R. Council (talk) 21:25, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

To-Do List
To do List — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xanthe.dick (talk • contribs) 01:44, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

To start off we should go back and read all the references that each one of us posted so that we are aware of the information that we have found and the areas that are lacking and need a bit more research EmileighWard (talk) 01:51, 11 October 2018 (UTC) Once we have all the resources we are going to be using we can create a reference list as well as look at the information we have available to us and organize the layout of the page. right now with minimal information i think it would benefit the page to rework the structure of layout and how the topics are organized EmileighWard (talk) 01:58, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

I think what would greatly help us is to organize all our references and see which references offer the best information for our planed headings. Once we do this I think we should begin to re-read the existing article and refresh our minds of how we want to improve this article. Once this is done I think we should begin to place our information in the correct subfields. Flyingeagle42 (talk) 02:08, 11 October 2018 (UTC) We should also add something to the layout so its not as "boring" so some pictures of him not just his books.Flyingeagle42 (talk) 02:10, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

I think we should keep the information in the "biography" section but get rid of the biography heading and change it to three section headings- maybe "early life" "education" and "career" because that seems to be more typical for articles on historical figures. Then we can flesh out the three sections as we go along. Xanthe.dick (talk) 01:58, 11 October 2018 (UTC)Xanthe.dick In the current page there are hyperlinks attached to some of the words to help with clarification, we should go and look at all of the links attached to see if they truly benefit the page. If they don't we should remove them and add in hyperlinks to other pages for clarification where needed EmileighWard (talk) 02:02, 11 October 2018 (UTC) After we restructure the page and develop our outline we will also need to update the content section so that it shows the correct information and helps with navigating his new and improved page. Which should also include a picture of him as well! since we only currently have a photo of the book he wrote EmileighWard (talk) 02:04, 11 October 2018 (UTC) So i think we should all take responsibility to go back and look at the sources we currently have and see where we need more information found. But i personally will go through and look at all the hyperlinks. And when we are working on his page ill make sure to add them in where i think it would be beneficial as well as talk to everyone about it to see what your input is. I will also update the content box so that it follows the new format of how we are going to layout his page. eventually we can divide the subsections of the page and work on them individually for time efficiency and than go back and make more of the minor adjustments to the page as a whole EmileighWard (talk) 01:09, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Xanthe's tasks- 1. Get picture of Langer to put on main page instead of book cover 2. Move picture of book cover to the section on his book which we will be adding 3. Write/start writing "Education" and "Legacy" sections — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xanthe.dick (talk • contribs) 01:23, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Bruce's task look at the hyperlinks and see which provide the best information for which subfields. Organize the information for the headings "Early Life" and "Main Book" Begin adding the information into the appropriate subfields. Flyingeagle42 (talk) 03:47, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Outline
Outline — Preceding unsigned comment added by EmileighWard (talk • contribs) 01:45, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

We first are going to start off by incorporating the information in the current wikipedia page and structuring it so that it better suits our ideas. The things we are going to include in our new wikipedia page from the old page: date of birth/ life span, who he was born to, education/topic of study, and his major publications. The new information that would be added is basic family information for example his one brother. Flyingeagle42 (talk) 02:23, 11 October 2018 (UTC) I.introduction A.name and lifespan 1. Walter Charles Langer, February 5th 1899 - July 4th 1981 B.location of study and topic of study 1.Cambridge, Massachusetts at Harvard University studying psychoanalytics C.Major publishings 1.The Mind of Adolf Hitler: The Secret Wartime Report 2.Psychology and Human Living 3.A Psychological Analysis of Adolf Hitler: His Life and Legend 4.Dissecting the Hitler Mind EmileighWard (talk) 18:41, 11 October 2018 (UTC) II. Early Life A. Family Overview 1. name of family members 2. location of hometown B.Parents 1. occupation 2. brief history C. Siblings 1. occupations 2. successes in personal fields Flyingeagle42 (talk) 00:59, 12 October 2018 (UTC) III. Education A. Undergrad 1. Harvard University- class of 1923 B. Graduate school 1. Type of research+ where studied 2. Psychoanalysis and Anna Freud Xanthe.dick (talk) 01:23, 12 October 2018 (UTC)Xanthe.dick IV. Career A.Type of work 1. psychoanalytics 2.psychological profiling B.reason for interest 1.knowledge and personal experiences regarding Hitler EmileighWard (talk) 03:19, 15 October 2018 (UTC) V.Main book- Hitler A. Summary B. Findings from research book C. Popularity Flyingeagle42 (talk) 02:03, 12 October 2018 (UTC) VI: Legacy A. Influence on modern psychology 1. Popularized idea of pyschoanalyzing world leaders B. Appearances/reception in popular culture 1. Documentaries, books — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xanthe.dick (talk • contribs) 01:58, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

EmileighWard (talk) 01:45, 12 October 2018 (UTC) == References == EmileighWard (talk) 01:28, 12 October 2018 (UTC) References — Preceding unsigned comment added by EmileighWard (talk • contribs) 01:46, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Dyson, Stephen Benedict (2013-12-11). "Origins of the Psychological Profiling of Political Leaders: The US Office of Strategic Services and Adolf Hitler". Intelligence and National Security. 29 (5): 654–674. doi:10.1080/02684527.2013.834217. ISSN 0268-4527.

Langer, Walter C.; Gifford, Sanford (1978-01-01). "An American analyst in Vienna during the Anschluss, 1936–1938". Journal of the History of the Behavioral Sciences. 14 (1). doi:10.1002/1520-6696(197801)14:1%3C37::aid-jhbs2300140107%3E3.0.co;2-f. ISSN 1520-6696.

== references ==

Dr. Council's feedback
J.R. Council (talk) 20:19, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Bruce and Xanthe have the basic and most important details, but these leads seem too short and incomplete. Bruce's writing is also very choppy. (Try to make it flow, Bruce.)
 * Emileigh's lead seems to have been written in a hurry, and has lots of typos. Proofread! (Put some pride in your writing, Emileigh.) However, it has more details and talks about things besides his work on Hitler.
 * All of you have emphasized that he became a member of the "other APA" without an MD. I think that is a side detail that can be mentioned in the main body of the article, but doesn't need to be in the lead.

Lead Section Xanthe
Walter Charles Langer (February 5, 1899 – July 4, 1981) was an American Psychoanalyst who was best known for preparing a psychological analysis of Adolf Hitler in 1943. Langer was employed by the Office of Strategic Services (OSS). His report successfully predicted Hitler's suicide as the "Most plausible outcome", among several possibilities identified, as well as suggested the possibility of a military coup against Hitler, well before the assassination attempt in 1944. Langer also worked as a professor at Harvard University, and was the first person without an M.D to be admitted into the American Psychiatric Association.Xanthe.dick (talk) 01:56, 26 October 2018 (UTC)Xanthe.dick Feedback: Xanthe, I think you had most of the important information. I would suggest even just mentioning his other publications as we had discussed in the outline. I think you did a good job adding in information from what his current introduction is. I would also possibly move around a few sentences, such as having his education in conjunction with his field of study. EmileighWard (talk) 02:21, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Xanthe: While reading your lead section I noticed you incorporated all the important information from the previous lead section and also added some key details. However, I feel that you can improve by restructuring a few sentences in the early lead section to make it flow better. Flyingeagle42 (talk) 02:54, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Lead section Bruce
Dr. Walter Charles Langer (February 5, 1899 - July 4, 1981) was an American psychoanalyst from Massachusetts. He prepared a psychological analysis of Adolf Hitler 1943. This study was for the Office of Strategic Services in which he predicted Hitler's suicide even before the the assassination attempt in 1944. His work was later published as "The Mind of Adolf Hitler". Langer also studied with Anna Freud, Sigmund Freud's daughter. Flyingeagle42 (talk) 16:42, 29 October 2018 (UTC) Feedback: Bruce, what you have is good information but i think it would be beneficial to have more content. You could add in information such as a few of his other publications. Although your lead is to the point and clear, it makes it a little dry to read in my opinion. While the tidbit about working with Anna is great information, i would give just a little more context with tat sentence as well. EmileighWard (talk) 02:28, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Lead Section - Emileigh
Walter Charles Langer (February 5th 1899-July 4th 1981) studied the field of psychoanalytics at Harvard university in cambridge, Massachusetts to which he also worked as a professor upon completion of his education. Afterward, being admitted into the American Psychiatric Association Langer was the first to be accepted without obtaining an M.D. The field of phsychoanalytics later lead Langer to be employed by the Office of Strategic Services (OSS) wherein the year of 1943 he prepared a psychological analysis of Adolf Hitler. Within this analysis, and prior to the assassination attempt in 1944, Langer successfully predicted Hitlers suicide. Following his phsycological analysis and Hitlers death, Langer wrote a report surrounding the events of Adolf Hitler titled “The Mind of Adolf Hitler: A Secret Wartime Report”. This publication is Langers most notable work however he has also produced writings such as “Psychology and Human Living”, “A Psychological analysis of Adolf Hitler: His Life and Legend”, and “Dissecting the Hitler Mind”. EmileighWard (talk) 18:39, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Lead section feedback Emileigh- I think yours was very thorough and did a good job of hitting all the main points of the entry. The suggestions I have would be to edit some of the sentences for conciseness. I think it would also be good to restructure so that his work on Hitler is highlighted first to give readers a quick idea of what he is known for, then elaborate on his other achievements later.

Bruce- Yours was concise and did a good job of getting to the point. The suggestions I have are to maybe make your summary of the report into two sentences, since the suicide and assassination attempt were two distinct predictions, and maybe mention some of his other work briefly. Xanthe.dick (talk) 00:10, 30 October 2018 (UTC)Xanthe.dick

Emileigh- I think your lead section is well put together and offers a lot of great information I think an area you should be critical of is being concise. Your lead section offers great information but also has a lot of fluff, I think if you re-structure your lead section by being more concise, with the information you presented it will make for a great lead section. Flyingeagle42 (talk) 03:05, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Final Draft Lead Section

Walter Charles Langer (February 5, 1899 – July 4, 1981) was an American Psychoanalyst who was best known for preparing a psychological analysis of Adolf Hitler in 1943. Langer studied the field of psychoanalytics at Harvard University in Cambridge, Massachusetts where he also worked as a professor upon completion of his education. The field of phsychoanalytics later led Langer to be employed by the Office of Strategic Services (OSS) wherein the year of 1943 he prepared a psychological analysis of Adolf Hitler. Within this analysis, Langer successfully predicted Hitlers suicide as the "most plausible outcome", as well as the possibility of a military coup against Hitler well before the assassination attempt of 1944. Following his psychological analysis and Hitlers death, Langer wrote a report surrounding the events of Adolf Hitler's life titled “The Mind of Adolf Hitler: A Secret Wartime Report”. This publication is Langers most notable work however he has also produced writings such as “Psychology and Human Living”, “A Psychological analysis of Adolf Hitler: His Life and Legend”, and “Dissecting the Hitler Mind”. Xanthe.dick (talk) 04:22, 9 November 2018 (UTC)Xanthe.dick

Feedback
Very nice work on your draft. Some changes you should still make before moving live Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 22:49, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * You need to make sure that each statement in the article can be connected to a source. The lead is fine (as long as everything in the lead section is covered in the body of the article) but everything else should have references. I have added citation needed tags in places where you should have citations, but don't currently.
 * Section headers should use sentence capitalization (only capitalize the first word and proper nouns) not title capitalization. I fixed the "Early life" section for you.