User talk:Emilfarb/2008

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Image:Metropolitan areas.jpg
I was wondering if you created the actual map that is the background of the image or simply placed the city information on an existing map you found. If you did not create the map itself then you do not own the copyright for it and cannot release it into the public demain (I think, although I'm not an expert on copyright law). If the original image was free then you should add the licensing information for the image. If it was unfree it requires a fair use rationale. however it is unlikely that such a rationale would stand up since it is likely there are many free world map images available (so the image would fail WP:NFCC number 1). As I said if you did create the map yourself this is not a problem and I apologise for disturbing you with the issue. Regards, Guest9999 (talk) 15:18, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

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circumcision map
Hi, Emilfaro!

Thanks for contributing to the Circumcision page. However, would you please discuss things with other editors on the talk page? There's a section Talk:Circumcision, and Tremello22 has already previously posted some concerns there. Please read that discussion and post some comments yourself there.

I'm not sure whether you're aware of the three-revert rule. I'm not sure whether your edits are violating it or not, but I suggest discussing things on the talk page and waiting a while before making more edits to the article.

If I understand correctly, one of your concerns is that you originally made the map and someone else was taking credit for a modified version of it. If so, I'm sure that can be worked out satisfactorily, but please explain the situation on the talk page and give a little time for people to work things out. There may be other concerns, too; page content is determined by consensus, not decided by any one person alone. ☺ Coppertwig (talk) 00:30, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

I think your edits at Circumcision violate the three-revert rule. You might want to consider reverting your own last edit back to Tremello22's version: you might be able to avoid being blocked by doing that. I'd also really like to see comments by you in the discussion on the talk page. Tremello22 and I have both posted comments there in the last few minutes; I'd like to see your answeres to them. ☺ Coppertwig (talk) 00:52, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. Garycompugeek (talk) 00:54, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

You have been blocked from editing for in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for violating the three-revert rule. Please be more careful to discuss controversial changes or seek dispute resolution rather than engaging in an edit war. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text below. NawlinWiki (talk) 17:50, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * By the way, I believe you were blocked for 24 hours and are no longer blocked. Please don't violate rules such as 3RR in order to attract attention.  I don't think it works: I don't think you attracted any attention by getting blocked.  I didn't even notice you had been blocked until I came here to post a message to you.  Violating rules causes disruption and if done repeatedly may lead to indefinite blocking. I'd rather see you continuing to be able to contribute in positive ways.  The map you contributed is a very useful contribution. I hope you'll do more things like that.  If you have a disagreement about whether a map is included in an article etc., please discuss it with other editors and try to work things out.  I think we may have almost worked things out at Talk:Prevalence of circumcision and I hope soon we will have reached a consensus.
 * The reason I came here was to tell you that I've started a discussion at commons:Commons talk:Licensing about the copyright status of the map. Coppertwig (talk) 13:15, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you :-) I'll just move on. Emilfaro
 * Re "the proof": For one of the versions of the map (Image:Circumcision by Country-2008-28-07.png) I've edited the file to insert your username. I hope that whichever is kept as the final version will have your username. However, I believe that when you're at Wikipedia, if you click on any image which is at Commons (most images in Wikipedia articles), it will say "create this page": I don't think that proves anything. ☺ Coppertwig (talk) 12:10, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * You are wrong :-) The Proof is on commons as well. But it says "edit this page". And they already try to delete it :-) Emilfaro

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 * 2) Upload your image with the same name on Commons;
 * 3) Upload a new version on Commons, which is actually the original;
 * 4) The original image on wikipedia is now going to fall victim to speedy deletion;
 * 5) Now revert to the first version, your version on Commons and end up with it;
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Warning
This is the only warning you will receive for your personal attack - comments such as this are completely unacceptable and will not be tolerated. GbT/c 19:59, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Bad behavior
I have reported you here for repeated policy violations after many attempts by myself and other editors to warn you of policy and etiquette. Garycompugeek (talk) 20:00, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Courtesy note, Commons discussion about your circumcision maps
In case you do not check your Commons user talk page often, please review Commons:User talk:Emilfaro when you can. Thank you! rootology ( T ) 23:48, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Commons:Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/Archives/Attention 5
Anyone know what is going on with, , Image:Circumcision by Country.png and Image:Forbidden Knowledge 2.png? Seems there's a bit of trouble over on English about it, and I noticed edit warring here. Emilfaro's user page is also talking about faking images. rootology ( T ) 23:45, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * We have a hard case pushing sourced and neutral map to the article about Circumcision. See the Archive 43 (could be moved by RasterB, search history). At the beginning the image of mine has been faked by RasterB. To see how take a look at my Knol on it as it has been deleted from Wikipedia as well as Commons. Emilfaro ( talk ) 00:21, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * When I deleted the image I invited Emilfaro to e-mail me about achieving a more productive resolution to his problem. Durova ( talk ) 00:27, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It is not my job to catch bugs. But no offence taken.Emilfaro ( talk ) 00:42, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * As a courtesy, please revise your user page. It's not really helpful to attempt to solve your problem that way. Durova ( talk ) 00:49, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It is the only way, that got me this far. As I didn't even know of the existance of this page. And now I need some time to sleep, sorry :-) Emilfaro ( talk ) 02:28, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I have revised my pages as you have requested :-) Emilfaro ( talk ) 12:06, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you. And best wishes.  I hope your problem has resolved itself.  Please give a heads up if it continues. Durova ( talk ) 16:46, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

maps
How do you make your maps? The design is very nice. --Legalleft (talk) 06:20, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Visit Blank_maps and take a map. But I prefer this one --- you'll have to increase color depth with IrfanView if you use this. Then use MS Paint. For these maps I used shades of gray, that you can tune in the palette: 70,70,70; 120,120,120; 170,170,170; 220,220,220. The font is Calibri, which is available in Vista. Emilfaro (talk) 10:17, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, by the way you don't need IrfanView --- this version (next to last) is already 16,7 million colors. Emilfaro (talk) 14:42, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! --Legalleft (talk) 04:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Uh, for the brandt line map image that you saw fit to edit. Found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:North_South_Divide_3.PNG Please, explain to me. What logic compelled you to assume that the US, a superpower, should belong in the undeveloped region of the world? Or Japan, one of the most developed countries in the world? Why?

Please. My intellect cannot comprehend it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.225.104.15 (talk) 14:23, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


 * It's a joke :-) North-South divide, you know... But talking seriously: you'll see it coming over the next few years. Not sure about Japan though. Emilfaro (talk) 22:36, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You could as well be interested in this Pentagon's map. Emilfaro (talk) 23:09, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh wow. Epic troll is epic. That was awesome. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.38.36.90 (talk) 06:47, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Image:Real Politics.png
Hi Emilfaro, could you please explain what the purpose of Image:Real Politics.png is? What does it try to explain, or what kind of information does it try to get across, in the articles you are inserting this map on, that will increase the readers understanding of the article subject? Thanks. --Van helsing (talk) 17:50, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Nothing difficult to explain. It shows modern civilizations. I insert it in places most relevant to the concept of civilization. I stop doing that, if it disturbs you :-) Emilfaro (talk) 17:54, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I would appreciate it... the stopping I mean, thanks. --Van helsing (talk) 17:58, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "The Map lists its references. Can putting more than one country on the map be considered an original research?". Of course it can. Don’t you see any difference between what you claim "Civilizations of the XXI century", and what your sources claim Image:Real Politics.png? Do those sources claim to be Civilizations of the XXI century. --Van helsing (talk) 18:21, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * This discussion deserves to be public :-) Emilfaro (talk) 18:23, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I wasn’t hiding it, this is your public talk page :-), but you’re right. --Van helsing (talk) 18:32, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Real Politics.png
Brasil should be renamed latinamerica. Brasil speaks portuguese, and all the rest of latin america spanish. This is unrealistic.--Esteban.barahona ( talk ) 02:30, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 51% of South Aperica speks portuguese. Brasil is the biggest country. Make your own version, if you want to. But it is impossible to push it to Wikipedia anyway. Emilfaro ( talk ) 12:07, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

State Sponsors of Terrorism
Surely the U.S. didn't put themselves on the State Sponsors of Terrorism list? – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 18:26, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Any other reason to maintain it ;-) Emilfaro ( talk ) 19:31, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Image:Number of Terrorist Incidents.png listed for deletion
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 * I suppose discussion not to be interesting. Thank you. Emilfaro (talk) 21:22, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Military alliances map
Your new map about military alliancies is wrong. According to your map, USA and Venezuela are allies, and Russia and Georgia too - this is absolutely nonsense. Actually, USA is more georgian ally than russia (because they just had a war) and russia is becoming an ally of venezuela. Your map is saying the opposite. --Novis-M (talk) 23:11, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * For your reference this is the map of existing military alliances. It only shows the biggest of them. There is Rio Pact and CIS. These are historic spheres of influence. But there are Bolivarian Alternative for the Americas and GUAM as well. Even neighbours have quarrels. Emilfaro (talk) 23:46, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


 * You don't understand. I mean map now shows, that US and Venezuela are allies, which is not true´. It also shows Russia and Georgia as allies - they just had a war with each other! What kind of military alliance is that? --Novis-M (talk) 23:54, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Even so. The paper alliances has not yet dissolved. Chávez and Saakashvili talk a lot, but haven't completely left the treaties yet. As soon as they do, I'll modify the map. Emilfaro (talk) 23:58, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, for example Georgia already left the CIS. --Novis-M (talk) 23:58, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It has not. By the rules of the treaty country that wishes to leave has to inform others 12 months in advance. It shall only leave CIS in one year, if the decision is not changed by that time. Emilfaro (talk) 00:05, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, if there are countries which led war against each other under the same color and alliance (like russia+georgia), then the map is, unfortunately, useless. --Novis-M (talk) 00:12, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately there is no documented war between Russia and Georgia. Just an attack on peacekeepers. Emilfaro (talk) 00:26, 20 October 2008 (UTC)


 * And invasion into the heart of Georgia. Here is the link on wikipedia article - 2008 South Ossetia war --Novis-M (talk) 00:29, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * By the way 71 soldier is dead from Russian side, and 135 soldiers dead from the Georgian side. This can not qualify as war. Emilfaro (talk) 00:33, 20 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Here in wikipedia it is classified as a war. Even if not, how can be these countries allies?? --Novis-M (talk) 00:42, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia can not define wars. War is a conflict causing 1000 soldiers deaths per year, as defined by the United Nations. And once again on paper Georgia has to leave CIS in one year, but if there is another president elected and decides otherwise, Georgia shall stay. Emilfaro (talk) 00:47, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Okay, its a pity though, because I really think that map is not showing the real military alliances anymore, I liked the old versions more. Anyway, its your map. Who do you think would be probably more dangerous for US, russia or china? --Novis-M (talk) 00:49, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * As you can see Russia and China are the same at the moment. I think together they are equal to NATO. You could read Nineteen Eighty-Four to see the roots of the subject. I am thinking to add Mediterranean Dialogue to the NATO side... Good luck! Emilfaro (talk) 00:54, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

On your map you added Malaysia and Singapore to the SCO guest addendances but both of these countries are part of the Five Power Defence Arrangements, which I think makes them more Western allies than Eastern allies as they actually have a defence treaty with Western countries and not one with Eastern countries. Usergreatpower (talk) 14:16, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * They are passive participants in this agreement. The UK and Australia intend to 'protect' them in the case of aggression. It is closer to MNNA status. Emilfaro (talk) 14:28, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Note it is 'arrangements', not even an 'agreement'. Emilfaro (talk) 14:30, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

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Current Major Military Alliances map
In your File:Current_Major_Military_Alliances.png map, you keep marking Taiwan as part of the SCO, which makes no sense (you may not be aware of the situation there; the People's Republic of China claims but does not administer Taiwan; please see the article "political status of Taiwan" for further background) and, if anything, is the opposite of reality (relations between Taiwan and mainland China are tense). On at least four occasions, you have, perhaps unknowingly/unintentionally, overwritten versions of the map by User:Kavo that correct the Taiwan error.

Could you please upload a fixed version that does not make Taiwan part of the SCO? I'm asking this as a courtesy, since you are the original mapmaker. If you're too busy to upload a fixed version, let me know, and I can upload a fixed version myself, but please, in the future, don't overwrite with versions of the map that make Taiwan part of the SCO. Thank you.

&mdash;Lowellian (talk) 01:09, 13 December 2008 (UTC)


 * As I understand Taiwan is not considered as a state by the UN. Dismissed :-) Emilfaro ( talk ) 17:42, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Template:Most active regional blocs
The articles about individual blocs are for information on each respective bloc only, not comparative studies. Such comparisons belong only in general articles (like trade bloc, where it already is). If you really want to have this template in the individual articles, then at the very least it needs to be collapseable and with all the other templates at the bottom. Otebig ( talk ) 07:31, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * It is aclually collapsible at the moment. Did you do this revision by the way? Emilfaro ( talk ) 23:33, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * No, I only edit under this username. Nice job on the International Trade navbox - it looks good. Otebig ( talk ) 08:44, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. It needs improvement. But it'll take time> Emilfaro ( talk ) 18:36, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Hold on a second
Do not put this map of active blocs all over. As it is, it just does not match quality standards. More importantly, it is original research at its best. I think it just have to be removed anywhere. Please, join the discussion here if you disagree. Thanks. Tomeasy ( talk ) 10:16, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * As soon as I sort out the trade agreements, I'll make a better one. It'll take time. Emilfaro ( talk ) 18:36, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I remove them in the meantime. How do you think to tackle the WP:OR problem? Tomeasy ( talk ) 19:51, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll reference the trade agreements. Emilfaro ( talk ) 21:37, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Black Sea Trade and Development Bank
I see you've merged Black Sea Trade and Development Bank with Organization of the Black Sea Economic Cooperation. I don't believe there had been any discussion - let alone consensus - for doing so. The bank, though connected to the BSEC, is a separate entity. BSTDB has received plenty of its own attention internationally, and is most definitely notable enough for it's own article. I'll give you a chance to respond before I undo your actions. Bsimmons666 ( talk ) 15:02, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Read this en:Wikipedia:Merging and moving pages. But if you revert, I don't care in this case. Emilfaro ( talk ) 06:46, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I understand en:WP:MERGE, but I believe BSTDB is notable enough for its own article. Thank you for your quick response. Bsimmons666 ( talk ) 15:36, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Recent merges
You recently merged Eurasian Economic Community and Collective Security Treaty Organisation into CIS. EurAsEC and CSTO are distinct entities with different roles, and there is enough notability and material in order to keep them separate. Although you may have followed WP:MERGE, these merges were not discussed, and in unmerging them, it has created a lot of work in order to get the articles right. I don't know why, for example, you have removed external links and the like. I see that you have also been approached by others, and you commented that you don't care. Please bear in mind, that whilst we assume good faith with these merges, they may be seen by some as a little WP:DISRUPTive, given that they are not merges which were discussed and for which consensus to merge does not exist. In future, please discuss merges before doing so, so that we needn't have to undo controversial merges. Thanks, --Russavia Dialogue 13:24, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Можно говорить и по-русски :-) Эти статьи достаточно коротки. И Евраэс, и ОДКБ вырасли из соответствующих договоров СНГ. Если статьи расположены по отдельности, СНГ производит впечатление организации, не ведущей никакой деятельности. Вы вполне можете выделить эти статьи отдельно, но в этом нет особого смысла. Практически все ссылки из external были включены в references, за исключением тех, которые вели на русские сайты, не имеющие английских версий. Мне было все равно в отношении того банка. Но не все равно в отношении статей об СНГ. Зря воспринимаете меня, как разрушителя. Если взять в качестве примера статью про European union, которая достаточно хорошо проработана, она составляет 138кб. Статья про СНГ - 30кб, Евразэс и ОДКБ - по 10кб. При слиянии статей я проделал работу по улучшению читабельности и убрал дублированную, на мой взгляд, информацию. Если вы считаете, что я убрал что-то лишнее, это можно было восстановить уже в статье про СНГ, а не тупо делать undo. У меня нет большого желания вступать в полемику, но я считаю, что это объединение хорошо послужило статье про СНГ, и дробить ее на части просто глупо. Emilfaro (talk) 13:48, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Whilst the articles may be short in content, you will notice the EurAsEC article has an expand request on it. There is a wealth of information out there on EurAsEC and the CSTO which can be added into the articles. Unfortunately, articles relating to Russia/CIS are somewhat underdeveloped, unless of course there is something to be critical of, in which case you can be sure they are full of all types of criticism, but EurAsEC, CSTO, CIS, Shanghai Cooperation Organisation, and other such articles have a lot of room for expansion, as they are all notable entities in their own right. So the way to do it is to expand the articles on an individual basis, but remember there is no time limit on WP to get it done. Merging notable entities in their own right isn't really the way to do it. --Russavia Dialogue 14:49, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * These organisations are really much more projects of CIS, than anything else. Not every member participates, and this marks the split of CIS, and causes misunderstanding. That's why these articles are unlikely to be expanded any time soon. Because activities of EAEC, CSTO and CIS are the same. I'll wait a bit, and then leave a proposal for articles merger, if they don't spontaneously start expanding :-) Good luck! Emilfaro (talk) 07:24, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Merging
Hello Emilfaro. I see you have recently been insisting in quite a large number of controversial merges, that have already been noticed by other editors such as Russavia and Otebig that have presented you with the main problems these present, in particular WP:DISRUPTION. Especially, it defeats me to understand how you thought that the merge of ALBA wouldn't have been highly contentious. I have, you will observe, undone your Latin American merges as they seemed especially weak to me; please don't undo them, it would be a violation of WP:MERGE and a disruptive act. Also, as an admin, let me advise you strongly to keep your communication on this talk page, instead of redirecting it to another wiki; it pretty absurd that to communicate one has to go to commons, where most wikipedians here don't even have an account. Have care, Aldux (talk) 19:20, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Fine. Previously I was more active on commons, so it was easier for me to answer questions there. They could be forgotten otherwise. I had no conflict with Otebig on mergers, at least I am unaware of it. If you make edits of some articles, some editors may have a feeling that it is their property. And that is the main case here. Main thing I did was merging stubs. I'll make proposals for mergers further on. But it'll gradually slow down the process improving significantly weak articles. Emilfaro (talk) 08:25, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Шанхайская организация сотрудничества
Don't worry, I'm not chasing you - I edit the ШОС article a lot, and from the templates you put on that article I started looking at the other trade bloc articles. I studied international trade in university, though, so it is fun for me to pull out my old textbooks and work on the related articles.

The template for Central Asian Organizations is for intergovernmental organizations centered around Central Asia (pretty self-explanatory). The SCO certainly qualifies. The organization is not Eurasian, but has a clearly Asian focus - Belarus was in fact denied membership because it was not in Asia (see the article). Additionally, in general "Eurasian" as a political grouping isn't used much in English, and when it is used, it's usually a direct translation from the Russian (Евразийский). As such, it would sound strange to English-speakers to use it for templates.

Finally, links to the Collective Security Treaty Organisation Eurasian Economic Community do not belong in the body of the article, as these are distinct organizations not connected to the SCO. Including them in the body of the article implies a connection, which is misleading and can misinform people (the opposite of Wikipedia's goal). China–Russia relations also does not belong in the body, as the origins of the SCO involve more than just those two countries. The Russia-China relations belongs in the See Also section, and the other two, as I said, are on the template at the bottom of the article (which should not be removed). I see what you mean about the country-listing template not being used in the EU article, so I won't re-add the SCO template to the SCO article. I'm removing the trade bloc template, though, because, as mentioned on another talk page, the SCO is not a trade bloc. Otebig ( talk ) 22:04, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I do not object that SCO could be called a Central Asian organisation as 4 members are indeed located in Central Asia. But Russia is located in East Europe and North Asia, and China is in East Asia. SCO is a Eurasian organisation, and as for why it is not much discussed in English, you could read: The "Great Game": Eurasia and the History of War, and as well take a note that a Eurasian Empire previously existed. Emilfaro ( talk ) 11:59, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

American Empire Zenith
Hey there, I temporarily removed your image from the American Empire article. I would just like to make a few things clear before it is put into use. Please refer to the Talk page for further discussion. --m3taphysical (talk) 21:18, 31 December 2008 (UTC)