User talk:Emmabentleysdad

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Hello, are you Emma's dad, as your name suggests? You must be very proud of her. However, you should look at WP Conflict of Interest guidelines before editting about her more. I also fear that Emma is not yet notable enough for an article Emma Bentley on WP though she seems very promising. You should look at WP:BIO to find out what people need to have achieved in order to get an entry here. I am sure she will one day! Good luck and I hope this is not too much of a discouragement. --Slp1 13:10, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

So what more does a ten year old have to do than travel half way round the world to beat the best and become a World Champion.Play the world number one female chess player in a Simul and get the prize for last standing. Be the best female ten year old chess player in England. You have people in Wikipedia not half as talented with much less to say about them at six times her age. By the way she had lunch at the Houses of Parliment two days ago and held a very good conversation with the Home Secretary. Yes I respect her. I must take account now that being a world champion isnt a worthy achievement. What have you achieved?

Check www.englishchess.co.uk or google  ECF chess. Check  Susan Polag Blog. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emmabentleysdad (talk • contribs) 13:50, 21 July 2007

She sounds totally amazing! Has anybody written a newspaper/magazine article about her? Is there a link to the TV interview? Blogs are not enough, but anything that you can add to the article that can help prove that she exists and meets the criteria for WP will help save the article. The link you suggested above, www.englishchess.co.uk doesn't work unfortunately. I have copied the notability guidelines below. This is what you will need to show that Emma meets:

A person is generally notable if they meet any of the following standards. Failure to meet these criteria is not conclusive proof that a subject should not be included; however, meeting one or more does not guarantee that a subject should be included.


 * The person has been the subject of published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject.
 * If the depth of coverage is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may need to be cited to establish notability.
 * Trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources may not be sufficient to establish notability.
 * Once notability is established, primary sources may be used to add content.
 * The person has been the subject of a credible independent biography.
 * The person has received significant recognized awards or honors.
 * The person has demonstrable wide name recognition
 * The person has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in his or her specific field.
 * Commercial endorsements of demonstrably notable products


 * Athletes:
 * Competitors who have played in a fully professional league, or a competition of equivalent standing in a non-league sport such as swimming or tennis
 * Competitors who have played or competed at the highest level in amateur sports.

Being a World Champion seems a claim to fame, but I notice at the Susan Polgar website that there were lots of champions crowned. Does WP need an article on every single one, every single year? Perhaps you can understand that I am personally not sure that WP does. But I am not the one who makes the decision in any case! Let me know if I can help in any way or answer any questions Slp1 15:15, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. Sorry about the ECF site. http://www.bcf.org.uk/index.html Go to womens chess or junior chess. The headlines there last month were, Fantastic News for English Chess. http://search.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/search/results.pl?q=chess&uri=%2Flooknorthyorkslincs%2Findex.shtml This is the live clip from the BBC TV. Emma is described by the higherarcy as an amazing ambassador for chess.

Numerous newspaper articles and photos. Emma had 200 professional photographs taken in London on Thursday for the Chess Monthly Magazine for publication in September. A fantastic achievement for a ten year old girl. A magazine published for the very best in Chess worldwide, http://www.chesscenter.com/ International Master Malcolm Pein columist for the Daily Telegraph is the owner of the magazine as he does Chess & Bridge London. Grand Master Raymond Keene OBE, London and Sunday Times columist has also offered assistance to Emma. Julian Simpole is partner in Hardinge Simpole publishers of many books. A book and DVD will be available shortly. Kind regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emmabentleysdad (talk • contribs) 15:36, 21 July 2007

Thanks for your response. As I said before, I am sure that your daughter is very talented and has achieved fantastic things for an 10 year old. Wikipedia has fairly strict criteria about who needs an encyclopedia entry, and editors here will decide soon if she meets the mark at this point. I notice, for example, that there is an actual "World Youth Chess Championship" and that Emma is not the champion, making things a bit complicated as to whether she is really "THE World Champion" even for her age group, if you know what I mean. However, she does seem to be getting coverage in the UK in the press, and this will work in her favour for the article here. It may be that you will need to wait till some more of these magazine articles/books come out to be able to prove her notability, but I am not sure. We will have to see how things play out in the next little while! In the meantime, I saw that you added some links to the article, and it would be a good idea to add anymore that you can find. I should point out that there is an additional problem that the article is being written by her proud dad(!) While you are obviously an expert in her accomplishments, you are probably not totally unbiased about her: a very good thing in a father (!), but not so good for an encyclopedia editor (see WP:COI). By the way, it is a good idea to sign your posts with four tildes (or you can use the little signature button in the blue bar at the top of the editing screen). This way everybody knows who wrote what and when. I hope this helps in some way. Good luck in any case! Slp1 15:58, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, I appreciate your imput. Two authors four journalists one OBE three Grand Masters one International Master and one FIDE Master and a host of graduates have now offered to write the article for Emma. I am as you say her father and will now leave this into others capable hands. As you say there is a youth world championship. Emma won the United States Chess Federation sanctioned- Under 11 Girls World Championship at the prestigious Las Vegas Chess Festival - controlled by the very capable GM Susan Polgar of the SPICE Foundation of Texas Tech University Lubbock Texas. She is also the All England Girls Under 10 Champion because she is a girl and not a youth ( United Nations Despcription of a youth is :-15 years to 25 years )so not able to play the Youth World Championship, yet. She will. Cheers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 20:46, 21 July 2007 (talk • contribs) Emmabentleysdad

The immediate danger for the article is over since the speedy delete tag put on it was not approved, but I would still recommend getting your ducks in a row in the article as soon as possible! And every success to Emma in the future! --Slp1 01:55, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

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Emma bentley
Wikipedia is not a place for personal/insignificant achievements. It is an encyclopedia for substantial persons and events ex: George Bush, September 11,etc.  Spartyti m e  Talk My Wikia 17:27, 31 July 2007 (UTC) I have read pages with absolutley no achievement whatsoever. What you call insignificant is what Freud called projection. Its how people make remarks about others as if fact they are themselves. Did you ever go 6000 miles beat all your competitors at anything, have countless newspaper articles and university press as well as TV and Radio interviews.Insignificant you said. Projection I say. I dont hide behind Pseudonyms either. David Bentley

I'm sorry about the deletion
I realize that you are very disappointed and perhaps angry about all this. I can understand how frustrating it must be. To be honest, I was afraid that this would be the outcome right from the start, and tried to prepare you for the fact that though Emma is totally amazing, she might not yet be totally amazing enough to meet the fairly rigorous criteria for having an encyclopedia entry as of yet. Just like Encyclopedia Britannica, not everybody can be included. But just because she doesn't quite meet the bar yet doesn't mean that can't change. Please get in touch with me in the future when she has won more titles, improved her ranking and has had more articles etc written about her, and if she meets the bar, I will help you write the article myself. Or maybe someone else you don't even know will totally independently write the article, which would be even better and even more impressive, no? Good luck to you and to Emma. I will be following her career with interest now! --Slp1 23:15, 31 July 2007 (UTC) Slp1-Thank you and best wishes. DB.

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