User talk:Ems2/06/03

Editing a user's description page
Ems2, where the heck do you get off editing another user's user page about what the person did and didn't study??? You have no idea of the details of my background and no business changing personal descriptions! How would you like it if I added to your user page that you admire Adolph Hitler??? If you do anything like that again and I find out about it I will file a vandalism complaint. RickReinckens 01:58, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Messianic Prophe cies
Please note that the Messianic prophecy article is intended to be an extremely broad overview of the concept of "messianic prophecy". (and I am still in the process of adding more references, especially on the Jewish views. If you think I am biased, I am the one who listed the Jews for Judaism website and Kaplan's book. I just haven't had time to add Tovia Singer, etc.)

The real reason I wrote the article is that there was an article titled Messianic prophecies that was fairly short. A guy who is in a Baha'i cult (max 1000 members worldwide per WP) put in loads of very POV stuff on the theory, "As long as the source is verifiable and I say, "According to (so-and-so)" it doesn't violate POV." Although he was looking at it from his cult view, the material would also be viewed as extremely pro-Christian evangelism text. I deleted it as a POV violation and he went ballistic. Many other editors have run into the same problem with him, including Baha'is.

Please visit the Messianic prophecies (disambiguation) page. The purpose of the (proposed at this point) articles is to allow the various religions to present their views without constant edit fights between supporters and opponents of a particular religion. (The main reason is that the cult guy will be happy with his BUPC page and hopefully won't mess with others.)

Another major reason for having a set articles specific to particular religions is to keep the length reasonable. Consider just the question, "Will the Messiah suffer and rule?" Having the Protestant, Roman Catholic, Mormon, Eastern Orthodox, Baha'i, Moslem, Orthodox Jewish, Conservative Jewish, Reform Jewish, etc., views (and "skeptic respond" for each of those . . .) would get ridiculous. And that is just one question.

I would love to have the "Mesianic Prophecies (By: Jewish)" and "Messianic Prophecies (Views: Jewish)" articles done by Jews with no Christian background, especially Talmudic scholars. I have no intention of writing all the articles myself, just creating stubs once I get the template in better form. (See the Apocrypha one, which is under construction.)
 * RickReinckens 03:40, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Some Reading Suggestions
Since you have been on Wikipedia only a short time, I have some recommendations for you that will ease your way in the future. Your comments to me on the Unix page were rude and uncalled for, and I was tempted to bite. Instead, I suggest you read up on civility, no personal attacks, assume good faith, and in general etiquette. People will take you more seriously if you're nice. -- Gnetwerker 09:01, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Priestly Blessing
Just a question; why did you add the cleanup tag on the article on Birkat Hakohanim. I see no reason why it wouldn't meet Wikipedia's quality standards. If you have specific problems or issues, just fix them, or report them on the talk page. I don't think the entire article is so poorly constructed that it merits a cleanup tag. I will remove the tag in a week if I get no response. СПУТНИК ССС Р 12:54, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Sockpuppet
Hi Ems2. IP addresses aren't really sockpuppets; sockpuppets are other userids. What policy violation do you think is occuring? Jayjg (talk) 17:20, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Jesus
A new editor is making rather bold claims about Judaism's view of Jesus, and also insisting he knows Jesus' Hebrew name. I'd appreciate it if you could look at Talk:Jesus and Talk:Judaism's view of Jesus. Thanks. Jayjg (talk) 17:52, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Acme
Acme has been delisted from CSD twice, please list on RFD if you still want it deleted. -- xaosflux  Talk  / CVU  01:06, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

List of commentaries on Mishneh Torah
I looked at the List of commentaries on Mishneh Torah. While it is useful, I'm not sure if it shouldn't be merged back with Mishneh Torah. Are you really expecting it to grow that long? Would you consider a merge? JFW | T@lk  00:16, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh boy. Yes I am defently going to extend that list. Get ready for it to soon get _long_. ems 05:25, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Regarding Jesus
Shalom, Ems,

I took the liberty of reverting the minor change you made to the Jesus article--while it is true that a majority of Christian scholars see him as a historical individual, that's also true of the majority of secular and non-Christian scholars. Admittedly, the Christians frequently make much more substantial claims than the others, but that paragraph was dealing solely with historicity of Jesus as a historical preacher who was executed. Justin Eiler 18:06, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

There is also a growing discussion on your NPOV comment, centering around the connotation of the word "healer." It's really meant to be more of a social role than an assertion that Jesus actually healed. Arch O. LaTalk TCF 20:51, 11 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi, Arch. We won't hear from Ems until after sundown (his time zone) at the very earliest--he keeps Shabbat. (I didn't know if you'd looked at his user page.) Justin Eiler 23:59, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes and I made that reply after Shabbat. Its Sunday 2:30PM right now. ems 03:26, 12 March 2006 (UTC)


 * And I saw his response. Justin, I didn't expect Ems to reply right away. I never expect anyone to reply right away, but sometimes they do. Arch O. LaTalk TCF 05:02, 12 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Dear ems, please do me a favor and open a new section on [Talk:Jesus to discuss what you feel is factually inaccurate in the article. I had a very hard time finding it and almost removed the flag, thinking it was an anonymous user. Thanks! --CTSWyneken 11:13, 12 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes please - no article will ever be perfect (the paper encyclopedias are out of date before they hit the presses) but we have come through a lot recently and have a fair spread of views included. We could do with a big team sucess on this page as it has been rough and we will not make FA with a disputed tag. I speak as an athiest but am happy that there are references and links to all the main controversies that I am aware of. Your help in pinning this article down further is much appreciated. SophiaTalk TCF 12:07, 12 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I am in the middle of making minor changes here and there to show. ems 14:27, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Sorry I fail to understand what your statment was about in the Discussion on Persian Jews
Who is that comment addressed to. It can not be me, but I fail to understand and I must also correct you that a great number of Persian Jews live in Iran. Iran has one of the world's largest Jewsih populations and presently has the second largest Jewish population in the Middle East after Israel. 69.196.139.250 18:23, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Plagues of Egypt
Hi Ems2: Could you review the Plagues of Egypt article and perhaps imrove upon it? Wishing you and yours a Chag Kasher VeSameach. Thanks. IZAK 06:43, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Learned something new today
I didn't know there was a guy with 1,500+ sockpuppets. Learned something new. I was User:Man with 1000 Sockpuppets until you guys blocked me. :-P It was my fault for choosing a suspicious nickname. Well, I guess learned my lesson and not to change another account name. --J. Nguyen 04:57, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Sockpuppet images
Ack. Please refrain from adding nonsense to Wikipedia, as you did to User:Man with 1000 Sockpuppets. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thanks. --P e ruvianLlama(spit) 06:16, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Persian Jews
Could you keep an eye on this article? Some people are trying to redefine who Persian Jews are by claiming they're ethnically Persian (based on their definition, descendants of Aryan tribes). Auca m anTalk 20:00, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil
I think this article could use more of the Judaic perspective. Grigory Deepdelver AKA Arch O. LaTalk TCF 22:18, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Jesus
See latest attempts at putting dubious "Yeshua" in intro again... -- M P er el ( talk 09:17, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Re: Book of Isaiah
Hi there. You recently added tags to this page concerning its neutrality and the lack of verification. On the other hand, you've not added anything to the discussion page indicating what you think is problematic. Could you do that please, otherwise there's little reason for us to leave your tags in place on a page that's been around a long time. Thanks. JGF Wilks 14:10, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Jew Watch
I've responded to your revert at Talk:Jew Watch. Please discuss. Dylan 15:32, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

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Even HaEzel
I just saw the rude comment you left for me a month ago. You said,
 * "rv. Maybe have a look at what seminal means?"

Well, I looked it up, because you asked. Let me tell you what seminal means:
 * "Highly influential in an original way; constituting or providing a basis for further development: a seminal idea in the creation of a new theory."

What on earth is wrong with that, and why couldn't you be nicer? - the.crazy.russian τ ç ë  18:29, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Applogies. I used answer.com to look up its meaning. See . ems 12:50, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

WARNING: You MUST stop using ems as your signature as there is already a User:Ems
You MAY NOT put a note on User:ems's user page or talk page directing people to you. I have deleted that page and it must not be recreated by you.

You MAY NOT use ems as your signature by piping it to User:Ems2.

You will be blocked if you don't immediately cease and desist, as well as going back and changing your sig on pages where you've piped it to "ems."

Sincerely, BCorr | Брайен 12:47, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I set ems as my signature in user preferences. It links to the correct page. Is there any policy that disallows such a thing? I have seen many people do simillar things. ems 12:53, 5 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Please see Username and Changing_username/request_to_usurp (about which there is no current policy, and it seems that there is no consensus emerging to change that) BCorr | Брайен 01:12, 6 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I am using ems not Ems. ems 07:14, 6 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I use Jude as my signature, and there already is a User:Jude (albeit an account with no edits). I was unaware that there was such a policy against this. Jud e (talk,contribs,email) 13:04, 5 April 2006 (UTC)


 * The difference is that Ems2 has had a campaign of having the account of User:Ems deleted so that Ems2 can take it over -- that's different that a shorter version like "Jude" (even though ems2 is shorter than ems). BCorr | Брайен 01:12, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I had no compaign of it being deleted. I requested for it to be deleted and this was back when I joined. #wikipedia-bootcamp told me to request to have it deleted and they showed me where. ems 07:14, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi, where you referring to the merge template on my user page? It was an April fools joke and I stuffed it up. I fixed it in. The namespace marco stuffed it up and didn't do as I expected. If you see the discussion page for the April fools merge you will see it was referring to the article ems and not the user. I plan on keeping the corrected version of the template up. ems 13:14, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, there are records of you asking admins to delete the other account. I've seen them, and in a pinch could come up with the history links.  Please don't pretend that you didn't ask for User:ems to be deleted, as that does not cast a good light on your other statements. -- Gnetwerker 15:12, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Please stick out of it, and please stop following me everywhere. I know what I have asked. Above I was referring what triggered this sudden threat. eeemess 06:31, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, it wasn't clear (even less so as you have edied and reorganized the comments above). As re following you around - ha, ha.  I wouldn't be caught dead editing Haggadah of Pesach, for example.  So I'll just stick out of it (sic) for now. -- Gnetwerker 17:33, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

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