User talk:EncMstr/Archive4

Zebras are not allowed to participate at COTW, but penguins may
Howdy ya’ll, its WikiProject Oregon Collaboration of the Week time! Thanks to those who helped improve Owyhee Reservoir and start some new Oregon newspaper article, we had four new ones. This week it is time for a Stub Improvement Drive. So select a Stub, any Stub, and try to improve it to at least a Start class. If you expand it by 5X, then think about nominating it at Did You Know so it can be featured on the main page. Click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Aboutmovies (talk) 09:20, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Bigblue Product Design
Hi, I notice that you flagged the above article for deletion. I was on vacation when you did and have only just got back. I can't see the discussion for the page and was wondering if you could clarify the criteria that was used for flagging it please? Thanks. 80.45.75.44 (talk) 08:34, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It was written as a promotional article and advertisement. It did not assert notability, nor did it have any reliable sources.  See Notability (organizations and companies) for guidelines article about a corporation.  Thanks.  —EncMstr (talk) 14:47, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

History of Indiana
There's no significant edit war. Anderson's changes are in place and are consistent. The only problem now, potentially, is with an IP address that was trying to mess with it. Semi-protection should be sufficient. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 08:04, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The first two times I looked at it, it sure seemed to be an all-out edit war. I see that it is confusing, but agreement is there.  It's semi-protected for the duration.  —EncMstr (talk) 08:11, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The other editor misunderstood the point I was making, at first; hence the conflict. I also added a link just now, to further the consistency. I think that should wrap it up for this article. The semi-protection will keep the IP riff-raff away. :) Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 08:14, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Semi-protection request regarding G. Simon Harak
EncMstr,

Thanks SO much for your help, and I apologize for the duplicate request. I wasn't sure I had done the first request correctly. (19121*DN (talk) 12:17, 29 July 2008 (UTC))

John Dundee
I notice you deleted the cn-tagged passages from John Dundee. Isn't that a bit drastic? He's a WP:BIO, not a WP:BLP. —EncMstr (talk) 15:58, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Not really. A large portion of Wikipedia's userbase seem to believe that original research is acceptable (I'm not saying you do). Anyhow, I've challenged the material (whether he's alive or not is irrelevant IMO: it's still unsourced). Please do not restore it again until you (or another user) can provide a source.

"The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth—that is, whether readers are able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether we think it is true. Editors should provide a reliable source for quotations and for any material that is challenged or is likely to be challenged, or the material may be removed." WP:V

"The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material. All quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged should be attributed to a reliable, published source using an inline citation." WP:V

"Any material lacking a reliable source may be removed, but editors may object if you remove material without giving them sufficient time to provide references. [..] Alternatively, you may leave a note on the talk page requesting a source, or you may move the material to the talk page." WP:V

Given that this person is deceased I would have no problem with you moving the content to the talk page (if keeping it in sight is why you reinstated it). Matthew (talk) 08:09, 19 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Indeed it was. The article had been overhauled several times within like 48 hours and had provoked a content dispute.  The dust was just settling around the time you edited.  The article had stood for over two years without a single reference, and I had added the first cites on Wednesday (16 July,2008).  Alas, also the first cns.  I thought those were the least controversial facts in the article, so didn't prioritize filling them—really, I was hoping to inspire the content disputer to help out.   Overall, the timing (of your removal) was full-on Murphy's Law.  Finding those sources probably will be challenging considering that the dates involved are long before the internet.  —EncMstr (talk) 08:46, 19 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I hate these kind of timing conflicts -- and they really are nobody's fault. But Matthew, please consider that EncMstr has been highly engaged on this article recently, and it looks like he's trying to help a rather irate newbie better understand the project -- a challenging and very important task. EM also has a very strong history of tracking down citations, and is certainly not someone who cuts corners on WP policy. From what I've seen of this, I'd say he's earned a bit of leeway in finding a good solution to a complex content dispute. For what it's worth. -Pete (talk) 18:19, 19 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Protection is about to expire, any issue with lifting it early? – xeno  ( talk ) 16:30, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅} I'm curious about what will happen.... —EncMstr (talk) 16:35, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * See the recent talk page stuff. –  xeno  ( talk ) 16:39, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar
Thank you very much for the Barnstar. It's nice to be appreciated for stuff that's not for the glory. --Calton | Talk 21:59, 29 July 2008 (UTC).

Fried Donut
Fried Donut is very happy that you welcomed it. As a tokens of appreciationings, Fried Donuts have decided to award fried donuts on talk page.



Just kidding, I don't talk like that very often. But thanks for the welcome.

Fried Donut (talk) 09:34, 31 July 2008 (UTC)Fried Donut

Wikipedia:Username policy
I see you permanently blocked User:Selfcopulative for transgressing the above. You might also like to look at the equally unpleasant User:Smegfest and User:Wangthiswood. I have reported all three today as suspected sockpuppets of User:AccountabilityAssurer. Stephen Kirragetalk - contribs 11:32, 31 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I now see that you've already blocked two of them. Stephen Kirragetalk - contribs 11:32, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

User:Dodgerblue777
Hi EncMstr,

I note that you too have proded at User talk:Dodgerblue777.

User:MBK004 has also proded at User talk:Dodgerblue777.

I have proded at User talk:Dodgerblue777 and just now at User talk:Dodgerblue777.

While all appears to be in good faith, appears to be new and might not be getting the message, and is stumbling around more than many might. They have no user page and I wonder if they know about their talk page? They are absent from its history.

I too am relatively new to Wikipedia, so am not sure what, if anything, needs to be done.

Comment?

Regards. Peet Ern (talk) 23:03, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * If I am allowed to comment on that, when someone modifies your talk page, you get a big yellow notification on top of all pages you open until you visit your talk page again. I am not sure how anyone can fail to notice it. But I suppose anything is possible? But as long as the edits are not disruptive I think that is the only way to try and contact him. Maybe through E-Mail but he has yet to enteran email address.  So # Why  09:48, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I know, so it makes you wonder . . . ? Peet Ern (talk) 23:16, 31 July 2008 (UTC)


 * The only thing I can think of is that several people were using the same account. If one looked at their talk page, that would clear the new message notification and the others wouldn't see one.  —EncMstr (talk) 00:10, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

River miles
I've been tracking down river miles on creeks and rivers by poring over topo maps either off-line or on. I wonder if you know of a better method. If so, I'd be glad to learn it. The topo map hunts are OK but slow and sometimes don't produce the desired RMs. I sometimes find the RMs in published documents, which is fine. I can improvise on occasion with ruler and scale, but that's clumsy and not exactly accurate. Finetooth (talk) 17:26, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Role account?
User:OregonForests Is that OK? Be kind, I've hassled them enough. Katr67 (talk) 00:44, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Kind? Besides indefinitely blocking to avoid any possible misassociation with the real life organization, and giving the standard block notice, how could I not be kind?  —EncMstr (talk) 00:52, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, I think they mean well, that's all. But there are about three accounts this person has used, and this might bear some cleanup and further investigation. More on it later, Katr67 (talk) 23:43, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Another questionable account
User:MPF Conservation. I hope you are enjoying your wikibreak! Katr67 (talk) 23:41, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

1 Year of the Collaboration of the Week
Hello again to those of WikiProject Oregon. It is time again for another Collaboration of the Week. The last two weeks were a Stub Improvement Drive, and thank you to those who improved any Stubs.

This week marks the one week anniversary of the COTW, so a brief highlight reel: And now on with our countdown. This week we have two requests, the Willamette Meteorite and Tom McCall. Hopefully we can get both to GA quality. Click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Thank you. Aboutmovies (talk) 09:40, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * At least 10 DYKs
 * Three articles passed GA after being listed at COTW
 * Probably around 25 articles started
 * Almost all Top importance articles are now better than Stub class

The Obama Nation
Nope, that's fine. It was borderline edit-warring, so I didn't particularly mind either way; it just seemed like a process of development rather than actual warring. No objection to full protection though. Best, PeterSymonds (talk)  13:34, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Spanair Flight 5022
Hi, why did you semi-protect Spanair Flight 5022? From my review of the edit history I don't see any disruptive antics from IPs. I see one IP,, editing an unsourced claim that already has a cite-needed tag. A few other IPs have made relatively minor contributions to the article. I don't see why a single unsourced edit merits banning IPs from the article for two weeks. Your comments appreciated. Fletcher (talk) 17:07, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed. It appears there is absolutely no reason to SP this article. Please read up on the semi-protection policy, and then unprotect the article. Thanks. 82.12.227.121 (talk) 18:36, 21 August 2008 (UTC)


 * This request at WP:RFPP was the request which, when I reviewed it, I thought I saw a lot of anon edits followed by reverts. But—now that I look at it again and am more awake—it doesn't look too bad.  —EncMstr (talk) 18:39, 21 August 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, no problem. Thanks for a quick response. 82.12.227.121 (talk) 18:47, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Steens Mountain
Is there a rule about resizing galleries like there is about individual images? There is a user who wants to resize the gallery, but I think it's too big. I need a third opinion. Katr67 (talk) 22:01, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I looked for, but couldn't find any guideline for galleries. Several times people have asked how to do that at Help talk:Table.  Personally, I like larger photos, but if I had a slow connection—or used some microscopic web browser—I might not. —EncMstr (talk) 22:09, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism from a network
Hi, the note I left was for this IP: User talk:193.108.73.47. It is an IP owned by a corporate which I am part of. If you see the talk page, you'll find very frequent and numerous incidents of clearcut vandalism. Unfortunately many of the employees do not understand the nature of cooperative editing and keep falling back to unproductive modification of articles. Based on the suggestion at the top of the page, I contacted the network administrators (which are the IT support group of the corporate). Their response was not very hopeful and I could not persuade them to either put a notice on the Wikipedia site, or block editing from the terminals which are reported as doing the unproductive modifications. I am currently attempting to hold a seminar on educating people here on Wikipedia, but it being a vast organization it will take considerable amount of time even if the efforts are successful. Unfortunately this kind of behavior is giving the corporate a bad name. I'd request you to take actions that you see fit to stop this from continuing. However in my opinion, banning anonymous editing from the IP may be the only way to stop these incidents from recurring. --Hirak 99 (talk) 07:39, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay, your entire IP range is blocked from anonymous editors for 3 months. Block log for User talk:193.108.72.0/21.  Account creation is permitted.  We'll see how that goes.  —EncMstr (talk) 14:15, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Ponte Vecchio
I'd be very grateful if you would you have a look again at your protection of Ponte Vecchio, it's hardly an edit war; in particular this discussion Denim has assumed ownership of the page and is resisting improvement - consensus is not built by article 'owners' forum shopping and requesting protection. --Joopercoopers (talk) 13:44, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks Enc - I'm going to edit the infobox, because there's stuff in it at the moment that's actually incorrect and misleading - I'll also revert back to a hide and peep version to test consensus and see if it sticks, denim seems to be more liberal today. --Joopercoopers (talk) 14:04, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. Good luck.  (I'll keep an eye on it for awhile.)  —EncMstr (talk) 14:27, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

(concise section titles per WP:HEAD)
To: EncMstr As the reason for one of your edits of the Global Positioning System article, you have said, "(concise section titles per WP:HEAD)". But when I click on WP:HEAD, I see nothing about concise section titles. The terrible thing about concise section titles is that the reader has to go to a section to find out what it is all about. As an example you changed "Position calculation introduction" to "Position calculation" and there is another section called "Position determination". Now the reader is not going to know the difference between "Position calculation" and "Position determination". The reader will be unable to tell which is introductory and which is not. I see no reason for concise section titles and there appears to be nothing in WP:HEAD that requires it or even recommends it. We need clearly descriptive section titles. RHB100 (talk) 00:32, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the additional links. I did find some information in the Manual of Style on article title length and it was said to also apply to section titles. It said "Titles should be short—preferably fewer than ten words"

I think this is about right. I used "Demodulation and decoding" to indicate to readers that the article not only discussed demodulation by the carrier frequency but also decoding using the Gold code. RHB100 (talk) 04:30, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

re:RFPP
Thanks for fixing my mess. :) Useful instructions - I'll keep it in mind. Best wishes, --PeaceNT (talk) 04:16, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Jim N E Cricket, its another Oregon Collaboration of the Week
Greetings WikiProject Oregon folks, it is time for another edition of the Collaboration of the Week! A big thanks to those who helped out in improving Tom McCall and the Willamette Meteorite last week. This week we have a request for Mr. Greg Oden who has been back in the news as of late, so hopefully we can get him up to B class before training camp starts. Then we have a Hospital red link drive with plenty of opportunity for DYKs! As always, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Bu bye. Aboutmovies (talk) 15:41, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

coord title
Thanks for the clarification on the coords. I will keep that in mind in the future. --Burntnickel (talk) 11:00, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Squid
Hi,

Redlinks are allowed (I personally dislike 'em though :), but MOS:DAB specifies one link per line, and no external links. I've removed both, but left in the remaining blue link. The problem is now, the DAB link doesn't really make sense, and I don't know what it's actually about. Could you put in a meaningful description? WLU (talk) 20:30, 30 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Yep, redlinks are a "fix me" sort of notation which looks rather hackish. But when you're trying to decide which new article to write, it's helpful to have "what links here" give useful counts.  —EncMstr (talk) 20:34, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Page Protection
Under what circumstances can a talk page be protected? I'm sure this will continue after 31 hours...but I understand the talk page can't be protected for ever. Is it best to just warn and report the users? Also, what can be done about sock puppet IPs?  C t j f 8 3 Talk 21:02, 30 August 2008 (UTC)


 * My read of the protection policy is that there is no sanctioned reason for protecting an article's talk page. Talk pages are the relief valve of Wikipedia:  They provide for high quality articles.  I would tolerate a lot of near-abuse on a talk page before taking action—beginning with warning users—though removing or altering other people's comments is a major infraction and, if intentional, should result in strong, immediate scrutiny.  —EncMstr (talk) 21:09, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * So, I should just roll back their vandalism of deleting comments and warn them at wp:aiv?  C t j f 8 3 Talk 21:12, 30 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Definitely undo their vandalism. Give a warning (uw-tpv1, 2, 3, etc.) on their talk page.  If they've been warned before and are showing no sign of behaving better, report to WP:AIV.  —EncMstr (talk) 21:16, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks!  C t j f 8 3 Talk 21:23, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Rebtel
Ok thanks, I'll revamp it slightly to lose its ad-tonality.

What about the logo? That one was deleted before as well, do you know why? Thanks in advance! --Drewie123 (talk) 06:24, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

User talk:Rob Lindsey
is requesting unblocking, and seems to be affected by a hardblock you previously set on. At first glance, I might support switching to a softblock, but I'd encourage you to take a look and offer some comment if you have a moment. Either way, any insight or feedback would be appreciated. – Luna Santin  (talk) 04:42, 1 September 2008 (UTC)


 * (Sorry for the slow response: Sketchy internet access while gone for the holiday.)  Sorry about that; as my block comment says appears to be a durable portable IP address which indicates I thought it was tied to one user.  Apparently it's a proxy or some other shared address for nsw.bigpond.net.au.  I see someone revised the block a couple hours ago.  Thanks for checking.  —EncMstr (talk) 15:09, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Oregon
Hi there, thanks for the heads up about the upper/lower case thing on the template. I knew it did something "weird", but I had to find out for myself. I think everything should be working properly now, let me know if not. But is there any way to fix the template so that when someone enters "c" (lowercase) it will default to "C" (uppercase) and subsequently have it sort into the proper category (in this case Category:C-Class Oregon articles)? The reason I noticed is that someone assessed an article as "c" and it showed up in Category:Oregon articles needing attention, which I thought was kind of bad, as it turns what should be a one-person process ostensibly into a two-person process. (If anyone notices the problem at all--I think the article was like that for several days.)

Also, I noticed that previously, if one entered, say, "stub" (lowercase), the template would automatically make it read "Stub" (uppercase). I think that looks better. Is there some way to accomplish that?

Per my thoughts at Talk:Clatskanie High School, I reinstated Category:WikiProject Oregon articles so that we have a place that only holds articles and lists. This seems like a good idea to me, for various reasons. If you think it's a bad idea, let me know. I'll mention it on the project page either way, though most people don't care, and those who do care are watching this page, I'm sure. (Y'all know who you are.) I need to go back over the messages on the talk page from when we were working furiously on the template last spring, but I think we've accomplished all the changes in which I was interested.

The weather is changing, I bet we'll all be editing more soon. I'm holding out hope for an Indian Summer though... Latr, Katr67 (talk) 18:13, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


 * P.S. Do you still need this: User:EncMstr/t1? It does show up in categories, which doesn't bother me, but a couple other folks were concerned about my test page, so maybe it's time to delete this one too? Katr67 (talk) 18:35, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


 * To make the class case insensitive, each reference (or the ones which matter anyway) to the parameter  would be coded as  .  Workable, but kinda ugly.  I thought the bright red error message ( Error: "class" parameter has unknown value 'b' and Please choose one of: Stub, Start, C, B, A, GA, FA, FL, Dab, List, Redir. See the quality scale.) would be clear enough.  I guess they didn't read the page after classifying it?  —EncMstr (talk) 19:58, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Fair enough, and no s/he probably didn't read the page. Katr67 (talk) 19:43, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Username with clear COI
User:Willamettemba--maybe this one needs to be blocked? Katr67 (talk) 19:43, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks like the user is warned adequately, thanks to your efforts, but aren't heeding it. I deleted the copyright violation, warned, and will keep an eye on them.  —EncMstr (talk) 19:53, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Ssssh, Be Very Very Quiet, its Oregon COTW time
Howdy folks, its time for this week’s edition of Oregon’s Collaboration of the Week. First off, great job the last two weeks with Greg Oden & the Hospital red link drive. We had close to ten new hospital articles and two DYKs plus other improvements to the list itself. So thank you to those who helped out. This week, we have on a sad note Kevin Duckworth, and the Statesman Journal. Duckworth should have plenty of sources so hopefully in tribute we can get his article up to standards. With the SJ, hopefully we can get it above a stub so all three of the top three papers are no longer stubs, and maybe even a DYK and GA like we got from the Register-Guard? Once again, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Hasta la bye bye. Aboutmovies (talk) 20:14, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Crime in Qatar
I have used CIA World Factbook as a reference for the human trafficking part in this article. I want to be clear about two things on which I am a bit confused.
 * 1) Should I have to reword the text which is taken from CIA factbook? Since CIA Factbook is in public domain, I believe it is not necessary.
 * 2) Should I use any template to notify this article has text from CIA Factbook? Is there any template like this? Since only a tiny part of the article is from CIA Factbook as opposed to the entire article, I am not sure if the template is necessary or not.  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 08:16, 9 September 2008 (UTC)


 * It is public domain, so you may use any text verbatim.
 * It is sufficient, I think, to provide a citation referencing the factbook as the source. If a WP:copyvio bot flags it, you'll have to figure out how to convince the bot that the source site is public domain.  —EncMstr (talk) 08:21, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Response
Please see my reply here (User_talk:Docu). -- User:Docu


 * My second reply is there as well. -- User:Docu


 * Just wondering if you agree with my interpretation of his edits. -- User:Docu


 * Can you comment on them? -- User:Docu

Alternatively, I'd appreciate if you would withdraw your comment my talk page. -- User:Docu


 * ✅ —EncMstr (talk) 23:32, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, but the problem remains with recent edits by Pigsonthewings:,. He seems to be confused how which template works. Can you ask him to stop his spree? -- User:Docu


 * Perhaps I share his confusion. Both those edits look okay to me, though I can see why you might not like the second one.  What's wrong with them?  —EncMstr (talk) 04:25, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


 * "display=inline,title" is missing. Prior to the edits, the coordinates were displayed in the infobox and the usual top right corner. Why would he attempt to convert these two manually? -- User:Docu

Template talk:GeoTemplate
It was causing an error in the scale/type parameter. I left a reply at the above link. Cheers. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 08:15, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

WP:ORE COTW Version 2.2
Hello WikiProject Oregon contributors. It's time for another COTW. Thank you to those who helped improve Kevin Duckworth and the Statesman Journal last week, we received another DYK for the SJ. This week, by request we have Mr. Ken Kesey and not by request Nike, Inc.. Nike is the only Start class article in the top 30 of those articles selected for the hard copy edition, and it could easily be improved to B class. Once again, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Aboutmovies (talk) 23:49, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

"Main" article
I'll start by noting that this is technically not specified anywhere, but I think it's common sense, and the fact so few articles actually use the template this way reflects it, but yes, the template has no place in these articles. "Main" is used for the reverse relation, but there is no need to indicate it in the "sub"-articles because a well-written one will have the link within the very first sentence, and while linking to a child article with content that is more detailed is always relevant, linking to a "parent" article (or--yeech--articles) is not necessarily useful (especially given that the reader is likely to come from the more-developed topic to begin with!). Circeus (talk) 22:05, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Question about edits
Hi, I saw you made a couple of edits to the page for Kulis Air National Guard Base. Could you explain to me what you did, in layperson's terms? I am still learning my way around wikipedia.

In particular, I was interested in the fix to the coordinates. I was wondering when the "W" icon would show up in Google Maps. It hasn't for several weeks now ... is that because i put the coordinates in wrong? 176thWingPublicAffairs (talk) 03:35, 17 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm happy to explain. My edit changes
 * to
 * The purpose of this is to merge the template's sixth and seventh parameters into a single parameter separated by an underscore. (While doing this, I noticed the point was in Alaska, so AK is added to better qualify the region.)  This creates a glommed together geo parameter parameter.  It's a weird way to specify parameters for sure: they could have used multiple parameters, or at least separate the glommer with commas or semicolons, but they didn't.
 * (Templates in general and coord in particular are some the most intricate and confusing aspects of Wikipedia, so don't hesitate to ask more questions where I've fallen short here.)
 * The template takes a number of unnamed parameters (that is, no equal sign is used; example  ).  The first unnamed parameters are latitude and longitude components.  There may be 2, 4, 6, or 8 such parameters.  Optionally, after those is a single (infamous) glommed parameter.  All parts are optional, but a full-fledged glommer could be:
 * The delimiter for the glommer parameter is an underscore, so these parameters are written as
 * The order here doesn't matter. Each of these parameters has a well-defined set of valid values; see the documentation at template:coord.  This example declares the point to be a railway station, the preferred map scale is 1:10,000, the point is in Germany (DEutchland) and the first administrative division (state?) is BB (Berlin perhaps?), it's on earth (other possibilities are the moon, venus, mars, etc.), and the data came from GNIS—the USGS official database.  This is a silly example since GNIS does not list German points.
 * The delimiter for the glommer parameter is an underscore, so these parameters are written as
 * The order here doesn't matter. Each of these parameters has a well-defined set of valid values; see the documentation at template:coord.  This example declares the point to be a railway station, the preferred map scale is 1:10,000, the point is in Germany (DEutchland) and the first administrative division (state?) is BB (Berlin perhaps?), it's on earth (other possibilities are the moon, venus, mars, etc.), and the data came from GNIS—the USGS official database.  This is a silly example since GNIS does not list German points.
 * The order here doesn't matter. Each of these parameters has a well-defined set of valid values; see the documentation at template:coord.  This example declares the point to be a railway station, the preferred map scale is 1:10,000, the point is in Germany (DEutchland) and the first administrative division (state?) is BB (Berlin perhaps?), it's on earth (other possibilities are the moon, venus, mars, etc.), and the data came from GNIS—the USGS official database.  This is a silly example since GNIS does not list German points.
 * The order here doesn't matter. Each of these parameters has a well-defined set of valid values; see the documentation at template:coord.  This example declares the point to be a railway station, the preferred map scale is 1:10,000, the point is in Germany (DEutchland) and the first administrative division (state?) is BB (Berlin perhaps?), it's on earth (other possibilities are the moon, venus, mars, etc.), and the data came from GNIS—the USGS official database.  This is a silly example since GNIS does not list German points.


 * In addition, the template takes several named parameters (  or   or  ;  name of point, (if not the article name);   or  ).  These are explained at template:coord.    says only display the coordinate at the article's upper-right corner and not where the template appears.    and   say to display at the article's upper-right and the point where the template appears.


 * Instead of using NSEW directions, this could be written as
 * to give 61.1631°N, -149.9721°W (except I've inlined it instead of title). It means the same thing:  North is positive, south is negative, east is positive, west is negative.


 * As for appearing on Google Maps and Google Earth, Google takes a snapshot of Wikipedia every few months and selects data from that. Google's explanation is here.  The form you had the template in should not have prevented Google from gathering it—it just hasn't been long enough.  —EncMstr (talk) 06:25, 17 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you SO MUCH for the explanation. I really appreciate it! I've done all or most of the work on these three pages: Kulis Air National Guard Base, 176th Wing and History of the 176th Wing. I am by no means finished contributing to them (I have some nice photos to post, and the history page is only half-finished, for example) but I'd love any constructive criticism or suggestions. I've been "Learning on the Job," so to speak.
 * 176thWingPublicAffairs (talk) 06:52, 17 September 2008 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. I made a few edits to the second article.  Each article's lead should start out by clearly saying what the subject is.  Consider an educated but ignorant foreign national:  is the National Guard related to any government, or is it some sort of long distance telemarketing service?  Begin by saying what it is.  Expand to the next layer by its most important attributes:  location, size, active/defunct, etc.  Then state why it is notable, and give a few highlights (professionally and respectful teasers) why one might want to read the rest of the article.  —EncMstr (talk) 07:18, 17 September 2008 (UTC)


 * That's an excellent explanation! It may be worth adding it as a sub-page to coord's documentation. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 07:31, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Block of MichaelRogersMacKenzie
Keep it up. The Forest article has been a constant target of vandalism for a long time now. Perhaps if these internet access points find their access to Wiki blocked, they'll find a way to control their errant users better. Cheers, --W. B. Wilson (talk) 18:45, 19 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I've had Forest on my watchlist for some time.  You're right:  it works well as a vandal trap.  You're welcome identify the abuse administrator for each IP vandal and fire off an email asking them to take action.  I should create a template for such a message....  —EncMstr (talk) 18:54, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Infobox Protected area coordinates broken
I have recently fixed a couple if instances of Infobox Protected area, (example) where the display was horribly broken because no seconds had been entered in the coordinates. The only way to resolve the problem in the short term was to add zero seconds, but this is obviously not an optimal solution.

I reported the problem on its talk page over two weeks ago, but no-one has responded. Since you recently edited the template (not that I think you caused the problem) and obviously have better template coding skills than I, can you fix it, please? Thank you. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 07:27, 21 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I see an intermediate attempt to fix it. Did it?  Hopefully it did some good since that fix breaks a number of uses of the template which I've added while clearing out the backlog at Category:Coord template needing repair. —EncMstr (talk) 05:46, 22 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Never mind: I see that this older version is still broken.  I'll look into fixing it all....  —EncMstr (talk) 06:08, 22 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 13:26, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Protected Page: Gas
Hey EncMstr, ever since you protected Gas there haven't been any vandals attacking the page. I'm extremely relieved and I can't thank you enough. Hopefully we'll start to see some registered users improve the page soon! Thanks again for the help! Katanada (talk) 04:04, 22 September 2008 (UTC)


 * My pleasure. —EncMstr (talk) 05:44, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Hello! :) I just wanted to say thanks for adding my name in 5 languages: DA, DE, FR, ES, and PT to my in many languages page. Thanks again! -- Grrrlriot (♠ ♣ ♦ ♥ †) 01:38, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I just wanted to thank you again for adding more languages to my "In many languages" page. Thanks so much! Happy editing! -- Grrrlriot (♠ ♣ ♦ ♥ †) 19:55, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Coordinate normalization of French communes
Hello EncMstr. I've seen your are normalizing coordinates of some French communes. Please, do not add the "display=inline,title" when the "coord" template is used in a "French commune" Infobox, it gives superposed lines in the title. Also, I've noticed that normalization of coordinates ending with 99" are not correct; I think (as for French communes) it's better to replace 99 by 59 insteed of +1' 39". I assume that there is some sort of bug in the rounding method of IGN (the reference, like Result of commune : 'LES REPOTS'). Regards — M-le-mot-dit (T) 10:50, 22 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh sorry. I see what you mean.  Sometime I'll have to look into how coord is being amended to do that without being specified explicitly.  99 seconds is among the most confounding errors I've encountered while cleaning up hundreds of these.  60 seconds appears quite often, but always seems to mean +1' 0".  There are a few (1 in 100) with something like 289 seconds.  The first few I normalized into minutes, but later came to realize it probably came from a source with implied decimal points, so now change 289 into 28.9 and 639 in 6.39 seconds without a carry.  The French articles seem to be pretty well organized, with only a few having 99s.  I don't remember anything else between 60 and 98, so going forward I'll take your advice.  Thanks for the heads up.  —EncMstr (talk) 16:40, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Oregon Coast
In Oregon Coast, you changed the ref-link to the Texas Open Beaches Act to a reference. This doesn't work. I would expect any reference to support the preceding sentence "After citizens complained to the state government, state legislators put forward the Oregon Beach Bill (HB 1601), modeled on the Texas Open Beaches Act." My intent was to remove the redlink from Texas Open Beaches Act. Rather than turn it black, I made it a ref-link. I see only 3 good ways to solve this problem: Create a stub article for Texas Open Beaches Act which links to the statute, turn the link black and put the statute in the external references section, or use a ref-link. A forth possibility is to find a reference that supports the preceding sentence, preferably one that itself links to the statute. Before I go with removing the reference and adding an external link, I wanted to get your thoughts. davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail)  14:59, 23 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree: it doesn't work as a reference.  Rather more of a note, but an awkward note at that.  What do you think of my solution?  —EncMstr (talk) 16:15, 23 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I stripped the "reference" from Oregon Coast, people who need it can find it within the stub for Texas Open Beaches Act that you created. davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail)  18:52, 23 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks. If I had been more awake I would have done that too.  Thanks for seeing to it.  —EncMstr (talk) 19:15, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Coordinate "normalizing" coords of NRHP places
I see you are making numerous edits of NRHP list-articles, and perhaps individual NRHP pages, where there are coordinates that appear wrong to you. You may be correct in replacing "60" by "0", but I am concerned there may be something else going wrong. Maybe it is percentage on a 1-100 scale when you think it is 60 on a 0-60 scale, or something. The source for all of these coordinates is from User:Elkman who developed and maintains several tools for wp:NRHP wikipedians such as the NRHP-list-table-generator, which draws data from a National Register database and prepares tables. If there is some error in his programming or the National Register, I would like for us to get to the bottom of it and fix it in the National Register and/or in Elkman's systems. I would rather this be sorted out sooner, and hope you could do that rather than making changes that might be erroneous or won't solve the basic problem. doncram (talk) 03:35, 24 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Early on this in process, I encountered another set of articles where coordinates were added an Elkman script. Analysis revealed that in fact normalizing them was the proper thing to do—there are never any seconds greater than 60.  Discussion at WT:GEO was that it was caused by a rounding problem, so that 2.9998 degrees wants to be 2°59'59.99" but gets rounded to 2°59'60".  I am rashly assuming NRHP is affected by the same algorithm.  Rest assured that every single NRHP article has fit the pattern.
 * For a recent confirmation, the last change I made adjusted the entry for Longfellow School at 221 Spaulding Ave, Ripon, Wisconsin so it now shows 43°50′53″N 88°50′0″W﻿ / 43.84806, -88.83333. Using Google maps to geolocate the address gives ; using ACME mapper to measure the difference between the two points is here and shows a 47 m SW/NE difference.  That seems to be agreement enough to me.  What do you think?  Does the underlying data have a coordinate reliably published?  It ought to be compared with these.  —EncMstr (talk) 05:51, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Another problem with "normalizing" coords
In this edit, you replaced the coordinates in the infobox with your standard template, and then put in the edit summary that they're probably bogus anyway. I don't know why you think they're bogus; the description says that the area is near Hwy 72 north of Waskish. Anyway, your edit broke the "dot on map" feature of the infobox and removed the coords from display in the article. What is the purpose of the change? I reverted it, awaiting your response.--Appraiser (talk) 13:39, 24 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The purpose is to clean up use of the geotemplate coord. It now pretty thoroughly checks its parameters and has brought many articles to light.  Big Bog State Recreation Area refers to 48°10′94″N 94°30′43″W, a value which brings serious doubts about its validity, a sense borne from converting thousands of coordinates in the last week or so.  Have you followed it and looked at the map?  The article describes it being on the southeast side of glacial Lake Agassiz, yet mapping shows the point to be northeast of Upper Red Lake.  I looked around for the former, even following its article's coordinate.  It shows a point 400 km NW of this one—in mid-lower Manitoba, Canada.  Looks like several things need fixing.
 * Sorry for breaking the dot on map. That infobox is far smarter than I thought.  —EncMstr (talk) 16:37, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I think the coordinates are pretty close, although it's not clear which side of the highway it should be on. Lake Agassiz is a pre-historic lake that covered 440,000 square km. and the shoreline varied widely over its 5000-year existence, so the phrase "on the southeast side of glacial Lake Agassiz" has little meaning, although this map sort of shows what the author was trying to say. The more important statement is "located on Minnesota State Highway 72, north of Waskish, Minnesota" which is where the given coordinates are pointing.--Appraiser (talk) 17:55, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Your revert
You reverted http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Towel&oldid=240711657 that edit. Why? 78.151.78.249 (talk) 18:49, 24 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Firstly, the previous edit (by 18 minutes) was an obvious act of vandalism. Secondly, a towel and an XBOX seemed so incongruous, I assumed it was vandalism.  Thirdly, your edit summary was empty.  —EncMstr (talk) 18:53, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Cities subpage
Yes, I know that this page can cause many problems (coords, interwikis, etc). But I am in a process of standardizing all city articles (including coords) and I need a "bird view" to spot any inaccuracies instead of going through each article one-by-one. The page should be gone by next week. Renata (talk) 23:50, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Wilderness Diarrhea Getting Killed

 * Dunno, but it seems remotely possible you'd be interested in this. Wilderness Diarrhea is getting merged into Travelers Diarrhea by a couple of zealots who seem to have no concept of outdoor interests.

I get around a lot in the outdoors and rarely treat water, but WD had some good stuff in int.


 * After a couple of weeks of calm discussion, I went ballistic and no longer want to participate. Rational voices might help.

Calamitybrook (talk) 03:10, 25 September 2008 (UTC) --


 * Thanks a million.

These guys have irrationally convinced themselves that WD isn't a legitimate topic for a Wikipedia article.


 * I've pointed out several bomb-proof arguements to no avail. I'd say the strongest is the vast number of published articles that discuss WD as a separate concern from TD. They are both environmental health topics, and obviously the context of each are far different.


 * They simply ignore all this.

Calamitybrook (talk) 15:51, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Pioneer Courthouse Square vandal
Could you block the most recent sock/vandal so we don't have to have another stupid revert war? Thanks! Katr67 (talk) 18:48, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Red red links make me feel so fine...
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 * Haha..the tenacity of some people! That's the silliest mediation request I've seen yet! -Pete (talk) 17:12, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


 * It's all a bit mysterious to me. I didn't remember being involved in the article.  It looks like I brought an end to the dispute by semiprotecting it.  I still don't see how  was involved.  —EncMstr (talk) 17:23, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Now I see it. Some of the dispute was years ago!  —EncMstr (talk) 17:29, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It was one of the first disputes I encountered on WP. I never would have guessed this would go on for years!! -Pete (talk)


 * FYI: as the admin who most recently blocked a Beenturn account, I thought I would point you towards WP:ANI. The timing of the account creations suggest that more Beenturn accounts appear to be prepped and waiting use.  I know that blocking isn't supposed to be used pre-emptively, but this is pretty blatant. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 19:11, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * note ... Both you and User:Barneca had blocked the most recent one, so I had left messages for each of you. Barneca has already posted that the other Beenturns have been blocked, and suggested submitting a Checkuser ... I'll look into that later today when I get a chance if no one beats me to it. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 19:21, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Template suggestion
Though I like the nav template Hospitals in Oregon the main entry seems too big. Just too much info all together. Should we maybe break it down within that general/acute/emergency section by metro area/region? Using the official Census breakdown I think it would be like this for the metro areas (minus the Corvallis one since there is only one hospital in it):
 * Portland metro: Kaiser Sunnyside Medical Center • Providence Milwaukie Hospital • Providence Newberg Medical Center • Tuality Forest Grove Hospital • Legacy Mount Hood Medical Center • Willamette Valley Medical Center • Legacy Meridian Park Hospital • Tuality Community Hospital • Willamette Falls Hospital • Adventist Medical Center • Doernbecher Children's Hospital • Legacy Emanuel Hospital & Health Center • Legacy Good Samaritan Hospital & Medical Center • Providence Portland Medical Center • Providence St. Vincent Medical Center • Portland Shriners Hospital • Veterans Affairs Portland Medical Center
 * Eugene metro: Sacred Heart Medical Center University District • Peace Harbor Hospital • Cottage Grove Community Hospital • McKenzie-Willamette Medical Center • Sacred Heart Medical Center at RiverBend
 * Salem metro: Salem Hospital • Santiam Memorial Hospital • West Valley Hospital • Silverton Hospital
 * Bend metro: St. Charles Medical Center - Bend • St. Charles Medical Center - Redmond •
 * Medford metro: Ashland Community Hospital • Providence Medford Medical Center • Rogue Valley Medical Center
 * Other Willamette Valley: Samaritan Albany General Hospital • Good Samaritan Regional Medical Center • Samaritan Lebanon Community Hospital
 * Other Oregon Coast: Columbia Memorial Hospital • Southern Coos Hospital and Health Center • Samaritan North Lincoln Hospital • Curry General Hospital • Providence Seaside Hospital • Bay Area Hospital • Tillamook County General Hospital • Samaritan Pacific Communities Hospital • Lower Umpqua Hospital District
 * Other: Harney District Hospital • St. Elizabeth Health Services • Coquille Valley Hospital • Wallowa Memorial Hospital   • Three Rivers Community Hospital and Health Center • Pioneer Memorial Hospital • Good Shepherd Healthcare System • Providence Hood River Memorial Hospital • Blue Mountain Hospital • Sky Lakes Medical Center • Grande Ronde Hospital • Lake District Hospital • Mountain View Hospital District • Holy Rosary Medical Center  • Eastern Oregon Psychiatric Center • St. Anthony Hospital • Pioneer Memorial Hospital  • Mercy Medical Center (Roseburg, Oregon) • Veterans Affairs Roseburg Healthcare System • Mid-Columbia Medical Center

We could also skip the Bend one since it only includes two, and make a East of the Cascades section instead. Thoughts? Aboutmovies (talk) 05:03, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree: though some templates are much worse, there's no need to follow their lead. Generally, I like the regional distinctions as that is how I primarily organize hospitals mentally, and probably most folks do too.  The only changes I'd make to your version is try to avoid using "other", even if it muddies the categories a bit.  How about Oregon Coast, Southern Oregon, and Eastern Oregon since none of them have all that many entries, so it's not too hard to find those you might be interested in.
 * If there were a NPOV/RS way of indicating Best Cardiac care or whatever, that might be a good thing to add as well.  —EncMstr (talk) 05:25, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, how about Portland metro (Wa, Yam, Col, Mult, Clack counties); Willamette Valley; Oregon Coast; Southern Oregon; East of the Cascades (avoids the Central/Eastern debate)? Losing the other metros makes each section closer to the same size, and avoids the Florence problem of being both on the coast and Eugene metro. As to cardiac care or other "service" I think the sources are out there, but I think it could change too often to be good for any sort of categorization, plus likely beyond the scope of a nav template. Maybe on the List of Oregon hospitals though. Hopefully sometime later this week I'll get to the re-org per above. Aboutmovies (talk) 06:28, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Excellent! I hadn't given any thought to trying to balance the number of entries in a section, but that would look very professional.  —EncMstr (talk) 06:55, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Very Special COTW, act now!
Greetings WikiProject Oregon peoples. It is once again time for another edition of the COTW. Thank you to those who helped eliminate some red links the last few weeks (the NWFP received little attention). This week, we have the stub High Desert Museum and then in honor of losing airline service again, McNary Field. Once again, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:11, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

ACORN
The ACORN full protect has given a chance for some useful discussion. But it is functioning now simply as a block on any and every good faith edit on the article. There are other controversial topics that are not being obstructed in this way, and I don't think it's fair to those willing to compromise and make legitimate edits to be prevented from doing so. There is an agreement that some information is appropriate to add, but it's impossible to reach a consensus on the talk page about exactly what or where and I request we return to the editing that has worked for that page in the past. There are rules to weed out the abusers, and I would ask that those be followed. Simply "talking" is no longer productive.(Wallamoose (talk) 00:23, 15 October 2008 (UTC))

ACORN Again!
Thanks for your speedy action in locking down ACORN. You have done a great service to wikipedia and the world in general. I expect that the discussions will rage on but we must be diligent. Although when the time comes I think it will be time to unlock it. Also go to South Carolina and spend time there it is a great state(considering that I am from there :) Cheers m8.Jab843 (talk) 12:28, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

EncMstr in the news
Your protection of the ACORN article was noted to the readers of borderfirereport.net. -- Suntag  ☼  12:47, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Detroit coords
Thanks for fixing the coordinates at Detroit Dam -- one of these days I'll figure out how that all works =) -Pete (talk) 17:46, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. Maybe you could review a simplified explanation at User:EncMstr/Coord?  —EncMstr (talk) 17:49, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Oregon
Here are a lot of coords missing in Oregon. (Strategy: use AWB to list articles in a category, 'Landmarks in Oregon' in this case, depth 2 levels down, save resulting page to a sandbox, look at related changes, showing bots and hiding others.) Occuli (talk) 17:56, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I produced (via various strategies, one of which must have replaced : with something to judge from redlinked non-articles) a list of the articles in WP:ORE at User:Occuli/test1 and a list of these that were initially bot-tagged 'coord missing' at User:Occuli/test2. Use or ignore as you see fit. I could perhaps use AWB to see which of those in Category:Oregon are not in WP:ORE and vice versa. Occuli (talk) 00:44, 16 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I have done the latter, at User:Occuli/test3, User:Occuli/test4, User:Occuli/test5. It shows some surprising results - the rather bizarre category inclusions in Category:Great Basin are to blame for some of them. (I would say, from a UK-perspective, that Category:Regions of Oregon does not include Category:Great Basin, and neither does Category:Watersheds of Oregon.) I had previously thought that categories could be completely screwed up by a few inclusions going in the wrong direction and here is a good example (it makes Rocky Anderson in some way related to an Oregon watershed - perhaps we should tell him). Occuli (talk) 11:31, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Clarence Thomas
This page just got it's full-protect removed. The other editor involved in the conflict is going to town inserting POV language and arguing his case. He's removing all kinds of things instead of tagging them with. It's above my paygrade to know how to deal with it. But it seems abusive and disruptive as a mediation is already underway. Can you look into it or post this in the appropriate place for another administrator to take a peak? I'm trying not to violate 3RR and to avoid an edit war. But I don't know what to do and most of the edits being made are one-sided so it's not really right that they just stay and the page gets locked down now. (Wallamoose (talk) 18:59, 15 October 2008 (UTC))


 * I see what you mean. It looks to be a dispute between you and one other editor.  I've posted at WP:ANI to see if any admin has anything to offer.  —EncMstr (talk) 19:07, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Global warming
There is scientific consensus that the Earth is currently warming through anthropogenic activity. We should not suggest otherwise. Martin  (Smith609 – Talk)  17:58, 17 October 2008 (UTC)


 * No, there is only government consensus. Here are some opinions by scientists:     .  Given the disagreement between government and science, the only neutral wiki-way to deal with this is to not assume anything is proven.  —EncMstr (talk) 18:07, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Guidance Barnstar
That's a nice barnstar! And well-deserved for all your fine work in the coordinates realm. Cheers! Katr67 (talk) 16:16, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Image:Test_image_commons.png listed for deletion
An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Test_image_commons.png, has been listed at Images and media for deletion. Please see the to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. OsamaKReply? on my talk page, please 19:21, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Washington Park (Portland, Oregon)
Thanks for cleaning up after me! 19:18, 20 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for giving me something easy to do! —EncMstr (talk) 19:38, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Floating Table
Hello. I saw your advice on the table help talk page and was hoping you could answer my question too. The help page says don't use float to position a table because it will break page rendering at large font sizes. I don't understand this. I maxed out my view font size option and the table still renders fine. Just what are they talking about? Is this a legacy issue with older browsers? Why would the float option even exist if it breaks things. I find the align right option to be unsatisfactory. Any advice? Mrshaba (talk) 22:34, 20 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I've seen the downside of that from time to time. It seems to occasionally affect all the browsers I use—Firefox, SeaMonkey, Netscape—and makes the table partly obscure the article text.  Instead of using , use   instead which interacts civilly with images, other tables, and—mostly—with article text.  Sometimes there is zero margin with the latter.  I added a demonstration of "align" here.  What about align is unsatisfactory?  —EncMstr (talk) 22:57, 20 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The problem with the align right/left option is that it doesn't support wrapping text with smaller window sizes but instead kicks the floating words completely below the table. Would it be correct to say that the float option sometimes leads to issues but not always? It seems to me the align option sometimes leads to issues as well. Mrshaba (talk) 23:10, 20 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Does the example table above not appear with text wrapping beside it? I'm seeing it fine.  —EncMstr (talk) 00:19, 21 October 2008 (UTC)


 * {| class="wikitable" style="margin-left: 10px" align="right"

!style="background-color: LightGray" colspan="1;" | Source and Use !style="background-color: LightGray" colspan="1;" | Theoretical Potential !style="background-color: LightGray" colspan="1;" | Technical Potential
 * style = "background-color: Lavender" |Solar
 * style = "background-color: Lavender" align="Center"|3,850 ZJ
 * style = "background-color: Lavender" align="Center"|---
 * style = "background-color: Lavender"|Wind
 * style = "background-color: Lavender" align="Center"|---
 * style = "background-color: Lavender" align="Center"|2.25 ZJ
 * style = "background-color: Lavender"|Biomass
 * style = "background-color: Lavender" align="Center"|3.0 ZJ
 * style = "background-color: Lavender" align="Center"|---
 * style = "background-color: Lavender"|Electricity (2005)
 * style = "background-color: Lavender" align="Center"|---
 * style = "background-color: Lavender" align="Center"|0.0567 ZJ
 * style = "background-color: Lavender"|Primary energy use (2005)
 * style = "background-color: Lavender" align="Center"|---
 * style = "background-color: Lavender" align="Center"|0.487 ZJ
 * }
 * Here's the table that is forcing the text down when you resize the window. All you have to do is shrink the width of screen and this text will suddenly jump below the table. I'm not asking you to fix the table but it seems strange to me that the float option doesn't result in this "text jump" issue but the align option does. Quirky. Mrshaba (talk) 02:13, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * style = "background-color: Lavender"|Primary energy use (2005)
 * style = "background-color: Lavender" align="Center"|---
 * style = "background-color: Lavender" align="Center"|0.487 ZJ
 * }
 * Here's the table that is forcing the text down when you resize the window. All you have to do is shrink the width of screen and this text will suddenly jump below the table. I'm not asking you to fix the table but it seems strange to me that the float option doesn't result in this "text jump" issue but the align option does. Quirky. Mrshaba (talk) 02:13, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Here's the table that is forcing the text down when you resize the window. All you have to do is shrink the width of screen and this text will suddenly jump below the table. I'm not asking you to fix the table but it seems strange to me that the float option doesn't result in this "text jump" issue but the align option does. Quirky. Mrshaba (talk) 02:13, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Interesting. It's not the first table, but somehow the second, strange table causes it. I've copied exactly the first wikitable to be alongside this text. It doesn't behave like yours. I also reordered the items in your last message (but didn't save that) to see the same effect. What is the purpose of the second table? It seems to only function as a weird formatter interference device. In particular, what does the wikimarkup  mean? Is that something you wrote or is it something you ran across? —EncMstr (talk) 02:28, 21 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I was working on the above table, and all I could see was that three tables were being opened and only one being closed, but I couldn't fix it by closing the others, though I stopped when I found a solution that stopped messing up the talk page indentation. Apteva (talk) 02:47, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm

 * Hmmm... It looks like the  is causing the trouble. It's the first table that I put up that seems to be causing me trouble but I'm not worried about it because the second table without the   doesn't cause trouble. Originally I couldn't figure out how to force the widths of the columns so I tacked on white space pictures using the   notation to cause the column widths to be equal. This was the original table I was experimenting with. Notice there isn't a text jumping issue. Strange. Thanks for your insight. Mrshaba (talk) 03:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Need full page protection of ACORN
Thanks. WorkerBee74 (talk) 18:57, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Please note that a request for full page protection on the same article was made 1 minute after 300wackerdrive made identical controversial edits to this article earlier today. Wacker is a suspected sock of WorkerBee74 (talk).

In both cases, the highly contentious edits are in violation of talk consensus on the article and follow at least a week of abusive behavor towards and allegations against fellow editors by wacker and worker.Bali ultimate (talk) 19:08, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

My oh my... I didn't realize WorkerBee would attempt to play this tactic so literally. EncMstr, please see Suspected sock puppets/WorkerBee74 (2nd nomination) and my own talk page for some context on this. Specifically, note this edit, wherein predicts this request by WorkerBee74 literally seconds before WorkerBee74 makes the request. Please also see here as 300wackerdrive (the likely sock) requests page protection formally. Then see the edit history of the page they want protected, and the version of it they want protected. -- Good Damon 19:12, 23 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the followup notices. I will take no action.  —EncMstr (talk) 19:16, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Is there a Park Star?
If there's a park star, you deserve one! Thanks for wiping out all those redlinks at List of Oregon state parks! Katr67 (talk) 05:42, 24 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Now I'm trying to figure out how to add some more redlinks, but it's looking too hard to get correct without some sleep.  Thanks for tidying up after me.  —EncMstr (talk) 06:11, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Edit summary
What did you meant when you asked me to put an edit summary?  Blu  e  Red  05:44, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks for clearing it up

Request
I have no argument with moving the page to Saint Louis, Oregon, as it's the GNIS official name, but next time when you do it, could you link to the GNIS feature record? If you're unfamiliar with that, just check the Saint Louis article; I've added such a link. Thanks! Nyttend (talk) 12:04, 24 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I thought I had. The geoattribute   has the feature record.  I should have also made it a reference.  I've been geocoding so many articles, I fear I've neglected making references in the usual form.  —EncMstr (talk) 17:02, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

List
Come across this, List of University and College Band Directors and Conductors in the USA, didn't know if you wanted it for your list of lists. Aboutmovies (talk) 06:05, 26 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I'm glad someone keeps such a list—and glad it's not me! —EncMstr (talk) 17:41, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Your reverting good edits
Do you think 2,200 people is a small city? Your reversions to my edits were unhelpful. (JoeTimko (talk) 20:37, 27 October 2008 (UTC))
 * I replied on your talk page. —EncMstr (talk) 21:50, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Well then you should add this exciting new information on what a city is to the city article, and create a section for Oregon "cities" that are really towns, but we'll call them cities anyway just because. Lakeview doesn't meet the well established criteria for a city. And it's not called a city by anyone.  So it's silly to call it that, whether you own the artcle or not.  But you can revert whatever you want instead of discussing.  Have fun!(JoeTimko (talk) 21:54, 27 October 2008 (UTC))

On unblocking sockpuppeteers, case study
I didn't want to poison the well, or otherwise bring up an unrelated case in a public forum like ANI, but if you want a good case where a sockpuppeteer WAS eventually unblocked, see this guy and this discussion that led to his unblocking. There is no problem with removing sanctions from users who prove they are reformed. The trouble is that we need the proof first. It really isn't about "cooling off". Its about proving you are willing to play by the rules... Cheers!--Jayron32. talk . contribs 20:00, 28 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I notice he or she hasn't edited since the unblock, now a month ago: Do you think the microscope was too daunting?  Proof that keeping them blocked was the correct course?  How did they "prove" to be worthy of unblocking? —EncMstr (talk) 20:08, 28 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, House1090 has edited as recently as 10/26: see contribs list and has done some really good work. His/her talk page hasn't been edited since then because they have largely been doing editing work, and haven't been being all that social.  Which is fine, since they have been the model Wikipedia editor since being unblocked, and have been doing a great job improving articles in their own little corner of Wikipedia.  I say its a great example of when unblocking goes right... --Jayron32. talk . contribs  16:52, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, and to answer your other question, they proved themselves by stopping the behavior that led to their indefinite block, which was sockpuppetry. By not creating new accounts, they proved they were willing to abide by the general rules of behavior at Wikipedia.  Alison, a checkuser, confirmed that as far as she could tell, he had not created any new accounts, and had abided by his sanctions, so those sanctions were lifted.  Again, look at his contribs list since being unblocked.  He's been a great editor... --Jayron32. talk . contribs  16:54, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

XXX<-COTW->XXX
Howdy WikiProject Oregon humans. Time for another edition of the C to the O to the T to the W. Thanks to those who help out on McNary Field and Bend’s High Desert Museum. For this week, we shall tackle Bridges on US 101 and then with the last few days of decent weather, The Semi-Annual Picture Drive. Plenty of red links on the bridge list, or improve a stub! Once again, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Aboutmovies (talk) 09:54, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

removed stub tag
In this edit on Silver Lake, Oregon, SmackBot did two routine operations which are fine. But it also removed the tag. Is that a new feature? Is it somehow assessing the article, or finding an assessment elsewhere that says it is no longer a stub? —EncMstr (talk) 05:29, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

, thanks for your message, SmackBot makes a number of changes that are available to all WP:AWB bots - in general these provide a number of non-controversial minor improvements.

Stub articles are very short: Longer articles which do not provide encyclpasedic coverage can still be tagged with EXapnd. Do not confuse an artice being a stub with the WP1.0 and wikiprojects articles assement which simply uses stubbiness to categorise articles in an assesment calss without involving humans.

Regards,

Semi-protect Malaysia
Hi, I have put a request on semi-protecting Malaysia on the request but seems to be ignored, could you be able to view that please, thanks! Mohsin (talk) 12:52, 30 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I see someone got to it about 3 hours before I woke up. Regards, —EncMstr (talk) 16:45, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Redlinks
OK, I stand corrected. --ClarkLewis (talk) 21:32, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

User:Britneysaints
I wonder if you're continuing to keep an eye on User talk:Britneysaints following your recent block of that user. The editor is still refusing to talk to anyone about their edits, still deleting talk page comments with dismissive edit summaries, and just today removed a project banner from an article under false colors (implying a consensus, or at least the existence of a discussion, where there was none). I'm not sure this person gets it about Wikipedia. Ed Fitzgerald t / c 22:17, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I hadn't, but thanks. I looked at her last dozen edits and think there is some improvement.  I'm inclined to let her encounter more editors who will doubtlessly be compelled to further educate her.  Some people take longer to learn than others.  So far, there is little evidence she's seen much of the behind-the-scenes organization of Wikipedia, but I doubt that will last much longer.  If she's way over the line, refer it to WP:3RR or WP:AIV as appropriate.  Thanks.  —EncMstr (talk) 05:27, 1 November 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, I hope you're right. BTW, did I miss something that revealed her gender?  I've using neutral langauge because I wasn't certain. Ed Fitzgerald t / c 05:51, 1 November 2008 (UTC)


 * No big deal if I'm wrong. She'll just get blocked.  Gender is a guess based on username.  —EncMstr (talk) 05:52, 1 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah! I took it as a reference of some sort to Britney Spears. Ed Fitzgerald t / c 05:54, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Active hierarchy?
I didn't know being part of an "active hierarchy" was grounds for not deleting an empty category? Re: Category:LGBT people from Bosnia and Herzegovina - can you tell me about that? Just curious - the cat has been empty since it was created, and being an eastern-European country, doesn't seem very likely we'll have anyone soon. But potentially, I guess. Personally, I don't see a reason to keep it hanging around on the off-chance someone creates an article to put in it. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 18:14, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't feel strongly one way or the other, but it looked like sooner rather than later some entries would appear. Category:LGBT people from Hungary has 6 entries, Category:LGBT people from Romania has 6, Category:LGBT people from Slovakia has 1, Category:LGBT people from Czechoslovakia has 4, etc.  I suspect the light population of these categories is due to 1) we don't have that many biographies of people from that part of the world in enwiki, 2) there is greater reluctance for them to come out there, 3) it's hard to reliably categorize many biographies as LGBT due to thin sourcing.  —EncMstr (talk) 18:36, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


 * That's sort of why I CSD'd the category. I've been working on a massive project to reliably source everyone we have in either LGBT cats and/or on the List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people sublists.  I'm two-thirds of the way done through the list to be sorted, and haven't run in to anyone from B-H.  If the cat is needed, it can be created.  But the person that created it  is a WP:SPA that was trying to put Drasko Bogdanovic into the cat.  I was unable to find anything that corroborated Bogdanovic's orientation.  If it's okay with you, I'd like to go ahead and CSD the cat again - though I'll be happy to re-create it if necessary. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 22:46, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Since you seem to have a better feel for it, I went ahead and filled your CSD. Cheers, —EncMstr (talk) 05:18, 5 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Many thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 05:30, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of Instyler Article
You deleted an article that was in the process of being edited, since another user before you suggested it may not be NPOV. The revisions were not completed, and you deleted the article. You should have at least given time to address any suggested corrections prior to deletion.

Simply because an article is about a new product in a category does not qualify it as "advertising."

Specifically, sentence by sentence, and line by line of the deleted article, what points were "blatant advertising?" And, please be specific. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kenthicken (talk • contribs) 18:29, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Articles about products lacking sources or assertion of notability are not eligible for Wikipedia. The "blatant advertising" aspect is due to:
 * the product is not available retail
 * The key element is rotating heated aluminum alloy barrel (referred to as a "polishing cylinder"), and an opposing armature that has four rows of nylon bristles (similar to a hairbrush) This is promotional language, not appropriate for an encyclopedia.
 * The InStyler design is patent pending as of November, 2008. Not notable, not of interest to anyone but the developers.
 * The infomercial is set on a stage with the two hosts, ... Come on: no one cares about infomercials, except advertisers.
 * —EncMstr (talk) 18:44, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

OK, so I assume if these changes are addressed, then the article would be reinstated? Can you clarify if there would be a difference whether or not the product was available at retail? Also, your comments about infomercials do not comply with Wikipedia's NPOV policy. ;-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kenthicken (talk • contribs) 18:11:25, 5 November 2008 (UTC)


 * If you address all of them, the article would probably stand. See the next section (of my talk page):  if no one knows about the product, there won't be any independent reliable sources or coverage.  If it were written about in, say Consumer Reports, then it would most likely stand.  A critical comparison of hair products by an industry trade magazine might suffice.  —EncMstr (talk) 18:17, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Why you think Shining_Star_(planetarium_software) is an advertising?
so, why don't treat all things in the Category:Windows_software and so on as advertisings? Specifically, Shining_Star_(planetarium_software) is a freeware. My english is not good, sorry for anything I misunderstood about the policy. —Lcsky (talk) 5 November 2008 (UTC)


 * See WP:ADVERT for an overview. Specifically under WP:ADVERT it says:  If you're here to ... get exposure for an idea or product that nobody's heard of yet, you're in the wrong place.
 * Undoubtedly, category:Windows software contains many bad articles. I didn't delete those because I was reviewing only articles for speedy deletion. —EncMstr (talk) 14:57, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

This item hava appeared at zh.wikipedia.org since three years ago, and this software first released in 2000. Though not everyone on the earth have known it, It's not a 'product that nobody's heard of yet'. —Lcsky (talk) 10 November 2008 (UTC)

RTOS article... again
The "examples" are growing again :-), thank you. N&#39;SallaNuto (talk) 16:51, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

stormy weather
Can you use that there fancy tool to move all those storms out of the supercategory "Weather events in the United States" too? I could do it the hard way I suppose. I reckon I should figger out them fancy time-savers one o' these days. --Esprqii (talk) 18:34, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Why sure there pardner. Only about half of them had it.   Now, not one does.  —EncMstr (talk) 18:49, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Elect the Best Financed, Least Offensive Person For the Job (aka Oregon COTW)
Hello fellow WikiProject Oregon folks, it’s time for another COTW. But first, just remember that those other guys only want to raise your taxes, but I won’t. A big thank you to those who helped make improvements to Bridges on US 101 and participating in The Semi-Annual Picture Drive. And unlike the other guys, I won’t ship your jobs overseas! This week, we have Mr. Bipartisan Wayne Morse who went from being a Republican to an Independent and finally to a Democrat. Then, let’s see if we can finish up creating articles for members of the Oregon House before their January inauguration. As always, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. I’m Aboutmovies, and I approve this message. Paid for the committee to elect Aboutmovies. Aboutmovies (talk) 19:43, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Talk:British Columbia Coast
Can you please check the comment on this page, Talk:British Columbia Coast. IMHO, a whole section should be re-written or put into wikiquotes. I noticed you had done some revisions and corrections on the article page. Kind Regards SriMesh | talk  21:37, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, but my only contribution is to have followed a vandal around once, undoing everything they did. I agree the article is a mess and needs serious work, but that would be difficult for me as I don't know much about BC, other than a few visits to Vancouver, Whistler, and a bicycling expedition to Abbotsford for the air show once.  —EncMstr (talk) 21:49, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Section order
Of Oregon lights, thanks for your opinions and modifications. --Cuaxdon (talk) 15:37, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Fort Rock elevation
Thanks for responding to my error on the Fort Rock page. I edited the page again and left the following comment on the discussion page:


 * Thanks for catching my edit error. I changed the citation back to the NGS datasheet and I think I did the cut and paste right this time. NGS is really a better source than GNIS I think. Remember that the elevation given by NGS is NAVD 88. You can also find the NGVD 29 elevation on the sheet. GNIS elevations are not all that accurate but their coordinates are fairly accurate in my experience although NGS seems to be more accurate. For more talk about the datum issue read the Summit elevations discussion on the project discussion page. I don't know if this link will work once the discussion page gets archived. Also take a look at the Where do the elevation figures come from? section at the GNIS FAQ page. Most online sources use the NGVD 29 elevations that are found on USGS topo maps. They have not been updated in a long time. Thanks.

I've started to put the template navd88 next to elevations that use the newer datum. I think this will help clarify the issue. As you can tell if you read the comment on the Project discussion page there are different opinions about which datum to use. If there is no bench mark at the summit I often use the NGVD 29 elevation (many summits do not have a benchmark and so have no NGS datasheet). If you are interested in sources let me know.

Also I've noticed that you have been adding data about the coordinate source in the coord template. I'm interested in learning more about this. I saw a note on some page I was reading but I could not find information about the format to be used. It would be great if you have a page name. Thanks again. --DRoll (talk) 22:40, 15 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Indeed, NGS is likely more accurate, but I haven't learned how to look up features in it. Since I'm usually adding coordinates based on GNIS, it's just as easy to grab the elevation value, and give it the same source.  "Verifiability, not truth, is the aim of Wikipedia"—or something like that.


 * To give a coordinate source, add a geotype parameter xxxxxxx where xxxxxxx is the GNIS feature id.  See user:EncMstr/Coord for an introductory, but in-depth explanation.  The full explanation, geeky and dense, is at WP:GEO.  —EncMstr (talk) 01:30, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

The easiest way I have found is to use Geocaching Benchmark Search page.
 * Lookup the location using GNIS
 * On the Geocaching page select the By Coordinates fuction and then select the Decimal Degrees option.
 * Copy a coordinate from the GNIS page and paste into the the Geocaching page.
 * Click Find Benchmark

You'll then get a page that shows the nearest benchmark to the your coordinates. If there is a benchmark the first entry will be at a distance of zero. If not forget it. An alternative is to try Peakbagger or Summitpost for locations in the US. I like Peakbagger better because it is less commercial. For locations in Oregon try Oregon GIS. Mount Hood is listed under "H". These list NGVD 29 elevations.

I use the cite NGS template for NGS citations and cite gnis for GNIS. Truth be told I wrote the first and cleaned up the second. You should also know that I'm really compulsive and check Oregon and Nevada mountain pages every once in a while. I'm retired and so I have lots of time to get in trouble doing silly things on Wikipedia.

Thanks for the stuff about the coord template. Good luck and happy editing. --DRoll (talk) 02:12, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Image revert of November 14, 2008 of MayorEdPawlowski.jpg
Regarding, the image to which the already infringing image was reverted is itself a copyrighted image. The website from which it was downloaded, is "Copyright 2007-2008 by City of Allentown" and the website's terms of use state "All contents of the AllentownPA.GOV Web Site are: Copyright 2007-2008 by City of Allentown and/or its suppliers. All rights reserved." and "Any rights not expressly granted herein are reserved." The uploader, Russojar, has had some difficulty understanding the issues surrounding the copy & pasting and/or uploading of downloaded material(s) from copyrighted websites. Alphageekpa (talk) 00:57, 17 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I've deleted it accordingly.  —EncMstr (talk) 02:06, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

The Well (Church)
I was just trying to remove the tag from this article and found that you had deleted and salted it. Could you please take another look? I could see very little, if any, promotional content, but simply a neutral presentation of information. Phil Bridger (talk) 18:39, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


 * It was created before (and deleted) in May 2008 by . At that time, it was quite promotional.  The version created about a week ago is better, but failed to provide notability, sources, and doesn't meet WP:CORP.  —EncMstr (talk) 18:43, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


 * But that's not a speedy deletion criterion. Phil Bridger (talk) 18:44, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


 * WP:CSD is cause enough, though I agree there could be reason to suspect there is notability. Are you going to expand it?  —EncMstr (talk) 18:49, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


 * No, I'm not going to expand it, because I know nothing about it, but the original author, or other editors who know about the subject, should get a chance to work on it rather than have it speedily deleted before they can do so. Will you restore it or shall I go to DRV? Phil Bridger (talk) 18:52, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


 * The original authors appear unlikely to be able to fix the article: one is a new account with evident WP:COI and no other experience; another has a single edit which helped the article a little; a third is like the second except he has 3 deleted edits out of a grand total of 7.  I am willing to restore it to someone's user space, if only it were clear who is most able and willing to help it.  —EncMstr (talk) 19:03, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, then, DRV it is. This was clearly deleted outside of the speedy deletion criteria. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:07, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Please let me know where it's listed. Thanks.  —EncMstr (talk) 19:10, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Deletion review for The Well (Church)
An editor has asked for a deletion review of The Well (Church). Since you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedy-deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:16, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey, I will be happy to rewrite the article -- I have no connection to the subject, but I found enough stuff online to create a decent stub. Feel free to put the text in my User Space -- this is no problem for me.  Thanks! Ecoleetage (talk) 14:54, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Harvest Time @ COTW
Greetings WikiProject Oregon folks, it’s time for another edition of the fabled COTW. Thank you to all who helped make improvements to Wayne Morse and creating some members of the Oregon House. This week, we have by request Upper Klamath Lake which think made the news lately with a salmon plan. Then, in honor of the end of the harvest time, we will go farming with Fort Stevens. There is a beautiful link farm in the article that is ripe for harvesting into citations. It should provide for a bountiful feast, or alternatively you can take your hoe to it and weed some out. As always, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. WARNING: COTW is not approved for children under 3 and may contain choking hazards for small children. DO NOT leave your child unattended with COTW. Aboutmovies (talk) 08:41, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Coos Bay
thanks for the correction, i found the Coos Bay city site after and realized my mistake! Beginner's enthusiasm got the best of me ; ) Coosbay (talk) 10:55, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Sam Brown House
Does the address help? 12878 Portland Rd NE Maybe I'm missing something, but the address is here: http://www.oregon.gov/OPRD/HCD/NATREG/docs/oregon_nr_list.pdf If you search the address, it looks like they are running an agritourism thing there as well. Katr67 (talk) 22:16, 25 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I just checked Street View on Google. The coords you mentioned on Andrew Parodi's page are correct--these are the ones I came up with: 45.106909 -122.886125. Katr67 (talk) 22:28, 25 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I've have tried hard several times to find an address.  Not sure how I missed that.  —EncMstr (talk) 22:54, 25 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I can't find this house on the google street view. It looks like a small brick house. Does anyone know where the historic house is?--Appraiser (talk) 03:38, 26 November 2008 (UTC)


 * The article points to it—again. Where did you get those wacky coordinates?  —EncMstr (talk) 06:15, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Your protection of Gulnora Karimova
I've reversed your protection for the following reasons: Regards, لenna  vecia  18:30, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) I'd already stated I was dealing with the users instead of protecting the article.
 * 2) The request was for full protection, and semi-protection did nothing considering at least two of the SPAs are auto-confirmed.
 * 3) Semi-protection for content disputes is in appropriate anyway because it blocks only some users from making changes while allowing most others, which effectively takes a side in said dispute and pretty much labels the new user's changes as vandalism.


 * Oh! You're right.  I read your comments, but didn't see any action.  I expected to see a "protection denied" tag.  When I came back to it later and looked at the editing history, I thought semi should stop the unaccountable editors.  I'll leave it to you.  —EncMstr (talk) 19:37, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Check Coordinates?
Hello EncMstr! On 19 Aug I put coordinates on a new page I had created for Kulis Air National Guard Base, and about a month later (16 Sept) you fixed those coordinates (which I appreciate). What surprises me is that the little "W" icon still hasn't shown up in Google Maps/Google Earth, despite the fact that many much less notable features -- local schools, for example -- do show up there. I was hoping if you had a minute you might go to the Kulis page and just double-check to make sure they are in the correct format. Thanks! And thanks again for the original help.

176thWingPublicAffairs (talk) 03:31, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Yep, it looks fine. It can take up to three months for it to appear on Google Maps.  See here. —EncMstr (talk) 05:26, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Boney Mountain
I goofed up in moving Boney Peak to Boney Mountain. GNIS has no location named Boney Peak so I assumed that there had been a mistake in naming the article. I think I was wrong. Peakbagger has a page Boney Peak, California. I seems to be a peak on Boney Mountain. If you could rollback the move to the edit by User:D6 I would be very thankful. --DRoll (talk) 06:29, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅ —EncMstr (talk) 06:33, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks! That was really fast. --DRoll (talk) 07:09, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Zero Down, Zero Interest at the Oregon COTW
Hello to all the WikiProject Oregon folks, time once again for yet another bone chilling edition of the Collaboration Of The Week. I thank yee who helped make improvements to Fort Stevens and Upper Klamath Lake. For this first week of December, we have by request Mike Bellotti and his archrival Mike Riley, both in honor of that great tradition we call the Civil War (AKA the battle for the platypus). As always, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. This message is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents is strictly prohibited. Aboutmovies (talk) 20:35, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

List of Oregon Ballot Measures
Have I mentioned how pleased and excited I am that you've been chipping away at expanding this list? I hit a lull mostly because the process seemed somewhat automatable, but I was having trouble coming up with a good procedure. Want to knock our brains together on this a bit, so we can knock the complete list out sometime this year (or decade)? Are you coming to WikiWednesday, perchance? -Pete (talk) 00:21, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


 * You hinted at it many moons ago, and I'm not surprised to see your message now. It's a fairly brainless procedure, and I've cobbled together some helpful Vim macros which automate much of the drudgery.  Surprisingly, the most awkward aspect is computing the percentage.  For that I've taken to copying and pasting to a spreadsheet and replicating the formula down, then pasting into a vim draft and having another macro put the numbers in place.  That's convenient when there's a lot of measure in a single election, but no so much for elections with just one or two measures.
 * I don't plan to be at WikiWednesday due to work and ongoing kitchen remodeling. Next spring would be the earliest likely possibility. —EncMstr (talk) 01:34, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar
Surely you've gotten more than one of these, with all your hard work.....?

WOW-- Did you see the number of hits our favorite little list got around the election? over 5k in October, too. Just wait till they see it next election cycle! -Pete (talk) 21:11, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Impressive! Good to know there are potentially a lot of well-informed voters.  —EncMstr (talk) 21:19, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

wp:bunch
responded on my talk page. Foofighter20x (talk) 07:38, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Re: Protection of South Korea
As you are the admin that added the dispute protection on the South Korea page, I'll ask your advice. I have tried and tried and tried again to engage the editors of the page in discussion. Multiple times in the past editors have come by the talk page to mention the non-neutral tone of the page, and from looking around at the various talk pages of articles related to South Korea and the editors involved, it appears that positive discussion is not the norm in this portion of Wikipedia. I feel that I have gone above and beyond what should be necessary to have these editors come to the table on the talk page and discuss the edits that I make (in specific) and improvements to the page (in general). What can be done if a group of editors have decided that any changes to a page not done by them is to be reverted without discussion? If you look at the contributions of the three editors that are reverting my edits, their presence on talk pages is light, although all three (User:Wondergirls, User:Lakshmix, and User:Kuebie speak English well. I have left notes about discussion on their talk pages, and still no matter what the edit they revert.

So what can be done to get these editors to talk? Because here's what's going to happen after the protection is lifted: I or another editor will make an edit on the South Korea page and one of the three will revert it. The protection won't change the situation, only delay it. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. KieferFL (talk) 13:34, 10 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I'll extend the protection on South Korea until reasonable discourse ensues. I see there are several objections about the current state.  Create talk page sections with an editprotected tag plus detailed changes.  If no objection arises, I'll implement the agreed upon edits.  —EncMstr (talk) 17:52, 10 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your reply. I think that the extended protection might just be the thing that is needed for this page.  There has to be discussion.  It should be the norm, but instead it is the exception to the rule.  I guess I'll re-visit my listing on the talk page and see which ones are top priority and list a handful using the editprotected template.  KieferFL (talk) 18:31, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Could you expend the protection longer than the original 3 day full protection? I see that the opposers against KieferFL's edits have not ever come to discuss the dispute to the talk page so far. I expect that after the protection is expired, the same edit war would be resumed--Caspian blue 03:16, 12 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I was thinking the same thing and noticed there has been little discussion. I extended it for another month.  —EncMstr (talk) 03:27, 12 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I noticed that instead of engaging in discussion, one of the editors that was adding non-neutral country comparisons have now moved on to the North Korea page. Thank you for the added page protection.  I'm still hopeful that discussion might actually take place, but I'm doubtful that it will take place with the three users that were reverting the changes.  They appear to have just moved on. KieferFL (talk) 18:49, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Slough mouth coordinates
I've run into another coordinates strangeness that perhaps you can help me sort out. The GNIS coordinates for the mouth of the Columbia Slough appear to be incorrect. I don't think I've made an error transcribing the GNIS numbers, yet Google, fed these numbers, plunks down well upstream of the mouth. Eventually I'd like to take the article to FAC, where the tolerance for error tends toward zero. I can see where I think the mouth ought to be, but my thoughts involve personal research and some guessing. Any suggestion about how to handle this in a "reliable source" way would be appreciated. Finetooth (talk) 20:35, 11 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmmm, it looks like does indeed specify 45 38 04 N, 122 45 36 W, and there's no discrepancy between decimal (45.6345607, -122.7600993) and DMS.  But that point is 1200 m from the mouth.  Even point #1 is 800 m from the intersection with the Columbia, and 250 m from the nearest point in the slough—oh, my mistake:  That's from the canal system according to the topo map.  GNIS point #1 is on the slough, though not at its junction with the canal system, but 357 m west of it.


 * All that comes to mind is that maybe point #5 used to be the mouth. Perhaps the industrial development altered the situation that far?  I think the actual location should be in the article, since it is easily verified by satellite.  Next time I'm by there, I'll take my GPS for confirmation, though it seems unlikely that all the map services are that far off.


 * My inquiry to GNIS the other day received a thorough and speedy reply by email. If you're not inclined to ask, maybe I will.  —EncMstr (talk) 22:46, 11 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Eureka! I feel certain that you've hit on the answer. I remember reading somewhere that the land Kelley Point Park sits on used to be something called Pearcy Island. Now that you've jogged my memory, I see Pearcy Island on the topo map, although it doesn't look like an island on the map. Kelley Point Park is built at least partly on dredge spoils, and I think the Port of Portland had plans for more marine terminals along there. I need to do some more research and probably a sub-article on Kelley Point Park. If you wouldn't mind writing to the GNIS, that would be swell. Finetooth (talk) 01:47, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Mystery of: Image-->File
FYI:
 * Village pump (technical)
 * Template:Namespace detect Katr67 (talk) 21:05, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I usually peek "over your shoulder" at your copy of the Signpost, but didn't see this one.  According to the template's documentation, the way WikiProject Oregon works now is the preferable mechanism.  —EncMstr (talk) 21:32, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Portland
Yes, Portland nicknames needs to be absorbed back into Oregon. --24.21.149.124 (talk) 04:08, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Because its superfluous. Also, if you want to tell the stories behind the nicknames, theres room for it in the main article. Either that or there needs to be an article for just Oregon cities. Some other states already have their own nickname articles. --24.21.149.124 (talk) 04:30, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! (Cannabis in Oregon article)
Hey there, thanks for your contributions to and assistance with the Cannabis in Oregon article. It's certainly off to a great start, and I look forward to seeing it expand. Whataworld06 (talk) 14:43, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

List of shoals of Oregon
FYI, in case you want to respond to the snark: Categories for discussion/Log/2008 December 17. Katr67 (talk) 18:12, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Funny: I didn't see the listing on my watchlist. Thanks!  —EncMstr (talk) 19:02, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry (re: your "circumventing the CFD process"), next time I'll just ask you to fix them directly. If we had to do a process like that with every routine edit, nothing would get done around here. Katr67 (talk) 07:56, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * It does seem like someone is confused about the value of process versus results. —EncMstr (talk) 07:59, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Category:Oregon articles needing attention
These will drop out of the category if you do a null edit, but I was hoping eventually the servers would catch up or something and they would drop off on their own. Do you know of any way to speed up the process besides doing a null edit on each of the 400+ pages? Katr67 (talk) 19:02, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * But they don't. I tried doing a few null edits days ago:  they're still in the attention category.  The categories displayed for each of those pages don't included it either.  Worse, very few show up in Category:WikiProject Oregon image pages.  As far as I can tell, we've done everything correctly, and the job queue has had enough time to attend to them.  There must be something gummed up in mediawiki somewhere.  —EncMstr (talk) 19:10, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, I changed something in the template. Try a null edit now. Katr67 (talk) 19:36, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Re:Musick Guard Station
§hep  •   ¡Talk to me!  02:43, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Very cold, must type about the Oregon COTW to stay warm
Hello again from WikiProject Oregon’s Collaboration of the Week HQ. Since there was no notice last time, thanks to those who helped improve Mike Riley and Mike Bellotti at the begging of the month and to those who helped create Oregon Department of Justice and Lindsay Applegate last week. Those last two were the red links with lots of links to them from other articles (DOJ was #1). For this week, in honor of Arctic Blast/Winter Storm/Damn its Freakin’ Cold Outside 2008/Storm of the Century/Is there ANYTHING else going on in the world?/We Might Actually Have a White Christmas, we have Snow Bunny. Then as part of the Stub elimination drive, we have state senator Margaret Carter, which could easily be turned into a nice DYK entry once expanded 5X. As always, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Have a Holly Jolly Christmas/Hanukah/ Kwanzaa/Winter Solstice. Aboutmovies (talk) 08:23, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Usher (entertainer)
Hi. Could you please reduce the length of the protection to the page; April 2009 seems too long and there have been no disruptive edits since. Thanks. --Efe (talk) 08:12, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


 * It will go into effect tomorrow—merry Christmas. Please leave a note on my talk page if it needs reprotecting.  —EncMstr (talk) 18:21, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I was expecting a free-block Usher on January 1. Anyway, you have set it. If vandals persist, I will protect it myself, but if you are interesting, I will notify you anytime. Thanks EncMstr, and merry Christmas. --Efe (talk) 08:38, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * BTW, if you are wondering why I requested you to do the action although I have the tool, just for courtesy. --Efe (talk) 08:41, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Portland Hempstalk Festival
As you've probably seen from the Oregon project talk page and the Cannabis in Oregon talk page, I started the Portland Hempstalk Festival article. It definitely needs help, but I can see you are working on plenty of other articles. However, I just thought I'd let you know it was started in case you needed to "stub" it or add it to the Oregon project in ways I am not familiar with. Thanks again for all of your help with other Oregon-related articles I have seen you working on. I will be making my way up to Portland next week, and look forward to working on other articles related to the state and surrounding areas in the future. Best wishes! Whataworld06 (talk) 01:56, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Mount Mazama
I noticed that you revised my edit of Mount Mazama. I really think that using paramenter names for templates like cite gnis is a good idea. I'm an old retired C programmer and one of the first things you learn is that code needs to be as readable as possible so that the next guy will understand what is going on at first glance. Its easy to write spaghetti code that is next to incomprehensible and it is a good way to loose your job. On Wikipedia I see a lot of articles were the source is all run together and is difficult to read. That's why I do things the way I do. If you disagree or have different priorities, I would be more than glad to discuss it. --DRoll (talk) 07:44, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

RE: WP:ORE welcome
 K50   Dude   ROCKS!   17:35, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Alex Maine
I am quite sure i can write this page now with notable sources. Could it be unprotected please. Many Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by GlastonburyGuy (talk • contribs) 20:53, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Alex Maine
Hi, i think i can improve this page with notable sources, could the protection be removed. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GlastonburyGuy (talk • contribs) 20:55, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Slough coords
I've written to the GNIS manager to ask about the apparently outdated coords for the mouth of the Columbia Slough. While working on Blue Lake Regional Park, I noticed that the GNIS coords for the source of the slough are way off too. Methinks the GNIS coords describe a much older form of the slough. I'm planning to put in the correct ones, but I thought I'd give the GNIS a week or so to reply. Thanks for the tip about writing to the GNIS. I had not thought of that before you suggested it. Finetooth (talk) 04:34, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
 * They responded today saying that they agreed about the coords at both ends, and they have changed them accordingly. They also changed the classification of the slough from "Gut" to "Stream", although I did not raise the question. I'm mightily pleased by all this. Finetooth (talk) 03:31, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Happy New COTW
Greetings from WikiProject Oregon’s Collaboration of the Week. First off, thank you to everyone who has done work the last few weeks on the last two COTWs. This week we have by request Oregon and California Railroad, part of the lands involved in the Oregon Land Fraud Scandal. Then as part of the Stub elimination drive, we have longtime politician Grattan Kerans, which hopefully can be turned into a nice DYK entry. As always, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Aboutmovies (talk) 10:22, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Religion in Oregon
Hey again! Just thought I would let you know that I started the Religion in Oregon article. I know you contributed a lot to the Cannabis in Oregon article, so if you are interested feel free to add to the religion article in any way possible. Hopefully many members of the Oregon Project will come together to put together a very informative and interesting article. Just thought I'd let you know. Thanks again, and take care! -Whataworld06 (talk) 05:11, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Fortran
Yes exactly! Okay that's cool! Sorry about that it's just I know my friend (who's in the course) is always talking about that and MATLAB! I'm studying English and French myself so I wouldn't really know! :-p I'll stick to literature and other random obscure crap that I have have personal knowledge about from now on!! Thanks again! Smarties20 (talk) 07:37, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Now I see that instead of leaving a comment on your userpage I left it on the Fortran talkpage thinking I didn't save my comment to this page... I'll get better eventually I swear!!!! Smarties20 (talk) 07:50, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

List of Oregon birds
Thanks for your help with the wiki linking and other formatting on this one. The mass editing I'd already had to do had worn me out. Thanks again, Steven Walling (talk) 04:04, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * My pleasure. Glad I could help.  —EncMstr (talk) 23:02, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

No content in Category:Film articles using old needs infobox parameter
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Biglow Canyon Wind Farm
Hi! I started this article some time ago and noticed that you made significant contributions in 2008. I'd like to invite your further input please, as I am about to submit it at WP:GAN. Thanks. Johnfos (talk) 00:37, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Citing lists
Hi! WhisperToMe (talk)
 * 1. WP:V is clear about this: "The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material. All quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be attributed to a reliable, published source using an inline citation."
 * 2."there's no likely way to cite the entire list;" - There is a way - A newspaper article stating that the person has a connection to Lake Oswego is sufficient for a cite. Each person can have one cite.
 * 3. "the required citation is indirect through the biographical articles;" - And do those articles have sources? If so, use them. If not, then the information cannot be used.


 * You may have a point. I've asked the WP Oregon community here.  Please add to my synopsis if it seems unbalanced.  —EncMstr (talk) 23:41, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Section order
Nice to meet you. And, sorry for my late response. Thank you for your correction. Yes, I need some correct modifications and opinions.--Cuaxdon (talk) 08:26, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

A question
First of all thanks for the helpful template in welcoming me to Wikipedia! I had a problem with the "Nicole Brown Simpson" page, as I listed citations using the normal Wikipedia mechanics, but the page now says "Cite Error" at the bottom and I do not know why.Jonnyhottrod (talk) 06:12, 31 January 2009 (UTC)Jonnyhottrod The Guidance Barnstar

Museums & Prisons COTW
Howdy to all those in WikiProject Oregon land! To start, thanks to those who helped improve Grattan Kerans and Oregon and California Railroad as part of the Collaboration of the Week. This week we’ll try and start some new articles with a red link elimination drive on a couple of Oregon lists. So, you have your pick of prisons, or museums. As always, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Aboutmovies (talk) 08:49, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

PCH
Thank you for your support. Things should be OK as long as the page stays protected. I've taken the page off my watch list for the time being, just to reign in my annoyance with that character. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 04:06, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

fallout from Rooster Rock
Baseball Bugs I believe I am that character that you refer to above. Sorry i am not one of the "good ol'e boys club" here, but I really feel that you should be more careful of your edits as well as not take action when you have no knowledge of a topic, and feel compelled to edit it. The only reason that you are annoyed with me is because you removed FACT from a page, because it did not conform to your preferences, whether religious, or otherwise. BTW you Posted about your religious beliefs on wikipedia therefore it IS open for discussion. If it is not open for discussion, you should not post it!

EncMstr I see no issue with using caps for emphasis and I commented so on that users page where I believed to be appropriate, I will not tolerate being belittled here because I am an unknown. I use caps for EMPHASIS, that is different from ALL Caps as I posted to the appropriate user! Had thee preceding user on this page, not made the edits (that he obviously knew nothing about) I would not be in a position to have to defend them at all, and they would not find me an annoyance. It is that user that someone should get after, not me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Markosjal (talk • contribs) 07:51, 3 February 2009 (UTC)  BTW if you keep getting after folks who make GENUINE CONTRIBUTIONS, Wikipedia looses its value. It becomes nothing more than your personal mouthpiece07:58, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

"move GeoGroupTemplate to top so it acts as surrogate article coordinate"?
Hi. You recently did this edit to National Register of Historic Places listings in Southwest Portland, Oregon. Your edit summary was "move GeoGroupTemplate to top so it acts as surrogate article coordinate". But I still don't follow the purpose of the edit. It's probably just my lack of understanding of the GeoGroupTemplate, so can you explain what you mean by "surrogate article coordinate" in a bit more depth? Thanks! &mdash;Ipoellet (talk) 16:50, 4 February 2009 (UTC)


 * My comment should have said move GeoGroupTemplate to top so it acts as surrogate article title coordinate. A title coordinate appears at the top right of geolocated articles (for most users—depending on skin), so users expect to be able to produce a map, etc. for an article by clicking on something at the top right.  Moving  to the top makes Map of all coordinates appear almost in the same place, meeting most "geoexpectations".  —EncMstr (talk) 18:47, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

RE:Taiga
Your welcome! I have corrected the spelling. In future (if possible), try to be bold and fix te error yourself. Regards, FM [ talk to me  |  show contributions  ]  17:08, 4 February 2009 (UTC).


 * Thanks. Keep up the good work.  —EncMstr (talk) 18:47, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

RTOS "examples"
Hello EncMstr, the examples are growing again, the anonymous user seems to be connected to the vendor looking at the log. I reverted a small vandalism but this one is work for you.

Thank You —Preceding unsigned comment added by N'SallaNuto (talk • contribs) 20:37, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

File:French laundry l'addition.png listed for deletion
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Requesting 5 articles which were deleted
I notice that you are listed on: Category:Wikipedia administrators who will provide copies of deleted articles.

I am requesting 5 deleted articles to be userfied, pretty, pretty please :):


 * Heaven Or Hell delete. SOWHY 22:49, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Darren Sadler delete. SOWHY 22:59, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * FPSBanana delete. SOWHY 23:02, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Halfway House (music venue) delete. SOWHY 23:03, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * NASCO Properties delete. SOWHY 23:14, 20 November 2008 (UTC) [the original, it has since been recreated I see]

From: Articles for deletion/Log/2008 November 15

If I could please also get the creator's name and date it was created?

You can move all 5 pages to a userspace, lets say User:Ikip/Heaven Or Hell, with the history intact (I am interested in who created the article, and when).

I really appreciate it. You are probably wondering why I ask. Well, I have spent my weekend on a graph found here: User:Ikip/AfD on average day. I am interested in what type of user gets their page deleted, etc....November 15 is just a day pulled out of a hat by another user.

Thanks :) Ikip (talk) 17:05, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * They are at User:Ikip/Heaven Or Hell, User:Ikip/Darren Sadler, User:Ikip/FPSBanana, User:Ikip/Halfway House (music venue), and User:Ikip/NASCO Properties. The last is unusual because a redirect was added after the article was deleted.  I'm still trying to fix that part. —EncMstr (talk) 23:32, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * They are at User:Ikip/Heaven Or Hell, User:Ikip/Darren Sadler, User:Ikip/FPSBanana, User:Ikip/Halfway House (music venue), and User:Ikip/NASCO Properties. The last is unusual because a redirect was added after the article was deleted.  I'm still trying to fix that part. —EncMstr (talk) 23:32, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

MD5
I submitted an external link to the MD5 page and was promptly removed and then you made the remark that it is an inappropriate external link and possibly considered vandalism. I beg to differ. What I offered was a service that does online MD5, SHA, CRC, and most popular algorithms you can think of, for BIG FILES. I don't know of any other online services that can do that. Let's say you still consider this free service inappropriate... then how come other external links such as the one linked to http://hash-it.net considered appropriate when it is doing much less? Millions of people downloaded and installed free-or-paid checksum programs (often at the risk of getting bogus ones and infecting their computers), when they can use an online service which was not the first of its kind. How is this considered inappropriate?

At the end of the day there may be nothing I can do, due to the way Wikipedia editorial works, but let me state my objection anyway. Rabbler (talk) 23:38, 13 February 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rabbler (talk • contribs) 23:26, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Template:WikiProject Oregon
I have replie to your message at Template talk:WikiProject Oregon. Best wishes, Martin 06:24, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

B-day for Oregon
Hello to WikiProject Oregon peoples! Thank you to those who helped start some new articles on prisons and museums. This week, in honor of Oregon’s 150th b-day, we have the slightly older Oregon Constitution and the first state governor John Whiteaker. As always, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Aboutmovies (talk) 01:10, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Deletion review for Crookers
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RE: user page protection?
yeah, that would be great to have my userpage semi-protected like you said. (I haven't had any talk page problems so for now, the userpage is fine! Thanks so much --Bhockey10 (talk) 21:16, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Cool Thanks!!--Bhockey10 (talk) 21:36, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

API to wikipedia
Response on my talk page, thanks for contacting me. Did you try Operator? -J JMesserly (talk) 02:43, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * What you are doing is going to the the debug tab to validate that the values are passed? I have been curious why operator refuses to activate a find with google or find with yahoo maps option with the coord data.   I have emitted the correct microcode using geo, but Operator did not pass it- I presumed the scripts needed to be altered to massage the coord data into a form that google eats, and the other form that yahoo eats.  Is this correct?  Or does no one care because they are anticipating using the foundation minimap gadget?


 * It can be a lot easier. All my superbowl edits are employing my placename template (inserted into the superbowl infobox) that bypasses coords and behaves nicely, activating the map icons and taking you to a thousand foot view of the stadium.  -J JMesserly (talk) 04:02, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Creswell, Oregon
Actually, I think the anon was clarifying that the mascot's name was Jake. Not exactly vandalism, but not strictly necessary either. Cheers! Katr67 (talk) 21:07, 20 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh, weird! I had just reverted vandalism by another Jakester somewhere.  I think you're right though—on all counts.  —EncMstr (talk) 22:47, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

User:Smratlik
I have reported that guy to WP:AIV due in part to uncivil behavior on talk pages, and in part as a probable sock of you-know-who. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 06:07, 26 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Katr67 turned him in to Sockpuppet investigations/Pioneercourthouse 45 minutes earlier. We'll get him one way or another. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 06:14, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Can you userify a deleted page for me?
I was thinking about creating a page, and I saw it has been deleted. Can you provide the content from the 1/13/09 deletion? I'm wondering if it was blatant copyvio or what. tedder (talk) 18:56, 27 February 2009 (UTC)


 * It has been deleted twice. The first time was a one-liner with no context.  The second time it looks to have been ripped from a sales brochure:  it had only the bullet points giving Key Features, Engine, Chassis/Suspension, and Additional Features.  I don't think it will be much use, but if you're hurting for content, I can userfy the last bit.  —EncMstr (talk) 19:03, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Nah, if it was just a silly brochure cut/paste, I can do without. Thanks! tedder (talk) 19:09, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

User:EncMstr/Coord
So, I was fiddling with your User:EncMstr/Coord page. Are US Region Codes derived from ISO 3166-2:US or from US- and USPS state codes. If the latter, how do we deal with UA-AA? --Tagishsimon (talk) 19:50, 27 February 2009 (UTC)


 * UA-AA? Do you mean US-AA?  That's not really a location, but a postal system.  So it shouldn't legitimately appear in a coordinate.  Thanks for updating the page.  —EncMstr (talk) 20:16, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Xenophopia does not involve a Xylophone: Another WPORE COTW
Greetings to WikiProject Oregon members. A big thank you to everyone who helped last week with the Oregon Constitution and John Whiteaker. This week, we have by request Clyde Drexler and a newer article in Religion in Oregon (I thought surveys said we didn’t have religion in Oregon). Once again, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Aboutmovies (talk) 10:05, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Belknap Springs, Oregon
I'm hoping to start a dialogue on the talk page. Thanks for your help! Katr67 (talk) 22:15, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

WPORE Admin Page
Thanks for the update, you must have been reading my mind! Nearly 300 new pages in 3 months--we rock! Katr67 (talk) 19:30, 3 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Wait until you see the graph. —EncMstr (talk) 19:33, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Those things on your page...
Do you or anyone else know how to put those things on your page that say like, "this user is a native speaker of such and such" or the other litle colorful boxes? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Take down images of muhammad (talk • contribs) 19:43, 3 March 2009 (UTC)


 * It is what the templates on the user page do: the rather terse stuff like this:
 * Try copying and pasting some from my user page onto yours. Some hints:
 * Use "show preview" to see what the effect is
 * Start small: do only one at a time until you get the hang of it.
 * —EncMstr (talk) 19:56, 3 March 2009 (UTC)