User talk:Endroit

Japan FA
Ok, it looks like people really want those citations to be absolutely perfect before they would support FA status. Can you please help out with citations when and where you can? Let's try and get it as good as possible before another peer review. John Smith&#39;s 22:14, 28 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi, Endroit. Are you planning to vote on this FA nomination, or would you prefer not to? I'm somewhat surprised that many regular editors don't seem to want to (or maybe they're unaware). John Smith&#39;s 19:42, 20 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi, John. I'll vote on it after I take a look.  I haven't voted on it before, so it'll be my first.  How much time do I have left to vote?
 * Regarding the others, I think you should post a message in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan to remind them. I suspect they're just not aware of the new FA nomination, since there's been so many.  If they've voted before, they'd probably want to know what improvements were made since last time.  At least much of the revert-warring has been eliminated, and that's a big step forward.--Endroit 21:20, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I've posted a notice. There isn't a time-limit, but it's best to vote before one forgets. Also I'm sure you're going to vote "support" so there shouldn't be that much to think about, hehe. John Smith&#39;s 00:07, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Japanese People
"Cultural assimilation" as you've used it, doesn't convey the context behind the patriarchal distinctions within the "Japanese" Imperial identity. I added a word to your last edit as a compromise. Check it out.Melonbarmonster 01:34, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Please refer to Talk:Japanese people for further discussion. I just posted a response there.--Endroit 08:56, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Don't argue with me. You will always lose.
You know that, right? 8)--Sir Edgar 00:42, 31 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Sir Edgar,


 * If you love what you do, and if people follow you, it's a good feeling. There's nothing in the world that feels better.  I'm happy for you.


 * However, I believe there's one thing you're possibly forgetting. It's called "BUILDING CONSENSUS."  It's so important, there's an "official policy" about it in Wikipedia:  WP:Consensus.  The "arguing" thing we did was just part of that discussion (called "building consensus").


 * Please remember, I take this "consensus" business really seriously. And I shall continue to coordinate with John Smith's and others to make sure people respect consensus, whatever that may be at the moment (as long as it doesn't stray too far from my fundamental beliefs).


 * In our case we have NEW CONSENSUS now, using "from China and Korea". And 8 people feel good about this new consensus.... Count them in Talk:Japan.  This is far better than any consensus we've had so far.  The previous consensus, "from the Chinese mainland and the Korean peninsula", had only 5 people. And the one before that, "continental East Asia", had 8 people; however, that was 8 people who were LESS ESTABLISHED IN WIKIPEDIA.  And I know THERE'S ACTUALLY MORE THAN 8 PEOPLE NOW who support our new consensus.  That's because I count at least 3 more who've supported "from China and Korea" in the past, looking at the archives of Talk:Japan.  Officially though, it's 8 people strong now...our new consensus.


 * Anyways, what matters now is that we're on the same side... (I hope). Just relax, realize that we're on the same side now, and cherish the fact that we're ALL winners now.  I look forward to trying to create more win-win situations like this one in the future.  And if we shall have any more "arguments" again, please realize it's not personal (it never is), and it's just part of the consensus building.


 * Welcome aboard, Sir Edgar! And happy editing.--Endroit 12:51, 31 January 2007 (UTC)


 * You keep losing every argument. The moment you realize that I am usually right and stop arguing with me for no reason, the happier you will be. I don't care about your "consensus" and I don't like the way you gather people of like-mind for your own purposes. I only care about the facts and appropriate portrayal of them. Really, I'm trying to see how you are actually contributing to content at Wikipedia and not just enabling distortion, especially through these "compromises". Are you? Think about that for a moment, please.--Sir Edgar 00:05, 1 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Whatevers, Sir Edgar. Just remember, YOU MADE A COMPROMISE YOURSELF SINCE THIS EDIT, because you're going ALONG with the consensus now.  We all made compromises this time, including me, including yourself, Sir Edgar.--Endroit 07:52, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

You're not making any sense. I don't even see your point.--Sir Edgar 23:10, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh jeez, I don't know what the point of this is. But as a side-note - I want to point out that concensus doesn't mean majority support. Concensus actually means unanimous support, and not so much about polling for majority support. Additionally, concensus is not immutable, it can change, and it often does. There may even be cases where supermajority decides the direction of an article, but even then, that is not concensus, it is only what it is, a supermajority. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 23:18, 1 February 2007 (UTC)


 * The point is: We all moved in the same direction as a result of arguing... er, discussions, yes.  We're all on the same side now, so let's quit arguing!--Endroit 17:59, 2 February 2007 (UTC)


 * No, Endroit. We're not on the same side. Contrary to what you claim on your user page, I am starting to think that you are the King of Bullshit. Try to improve articles rather than weaseling them down to crap.--Sir Edgar 00:01, 16 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Fine, but looks like you're not getting along with anybody else to begin with, Sir Edgar. Just a friendly advice: the Japan ariticle is not your personal toy.  Learn to let it go sometimes, communicate with the others, listen to what others have to say, and you'll make better friends that way... really.--Endroit 09:22, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

I have no interest in making friends here. My goal at Wikipedia is to improve articles by making them more accurate, well-written, and complete. What is yours?--Sir Edgar 01:42, 20 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Really? I thought your goal was to push your own personal agenda, whilst being as unpleasant to those that disagree with you as possible. Because that is what happens. I've yet to find an example of where you haven't verbally abused someone because they won't give in to your demands. John Smith&#39;s 18:41, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Also youre banzai message on the talk page didnt make sense94.192.30.13 (talk) 18:57, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * We may disagree about the manner in which I go about it (frankly, I don't care if you find me unpleasant or not), but my goal is as stated above.--Sir Edgar 23:28, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Templates on Taiwan
Please stop adding these templates until you establish consensus on the talk page. --Ideogram 00:15, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Stop your disruptive WP:POINT edits. --Ideogram 00:28, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Look, I know that waiting for a TfD discussion to run its course might not be as satisfying as plastering templates all over the place, but your actions are considered disruption. Please stop and let the discussion run its course. Thanks. -Loren 04:40, 9 February 2007 (UTC)


 * OK, I'll wait then. I never thought there were any WP:POINT violations, but OK, I'll take your word for it.--Endroit 04:49, 9 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you. -Loren 04:57, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Re : Well if that's the community consensus then I guess I have no objections if you did it now. Though personally I still think having one for each country is a bad idea and we'd be better off if we had infoboxes for each geographical region to avoid redundancy. -Loren 17:28, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

How about something like this?

Comments welcome. -Loren 20:19, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Mediation of DOKDO
Hi, initial part of dokdo is mediation now and I am demanded my proporsal of initial part with proper grammer in proper format. And, My proposal was made in my page. I am galad if you point out my mistake of English. Regards, --Opp2 22:05, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, I'm done. I just fixed the grammatical errors I saw there.--Endroit 12:32, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I really appreciate everything you've done. Thank you very much.--Opp2 16:16, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Japanese cuisine
I see that you're a frequent editor of this article. Would you mind checking out the debate on the talk page? Any contribution from a third party would be welcome. Phonemonkey 12:28, 22 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I'm finding it hard get this person to engage in dialogue which makes it difficult to find a compromise to put an end to this petty edit war. Please post if you have any suggestions. Phonemonkey 12:58, 27 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, think of it this way. It is not 100% accurate to say that "Yakiniku originated in Korea" if you categorize "Genghis Khan" under "Yakiniku".  Perhaps, for some people, it sounds as erroneous as saying "Barbeque originated in Korea."  To make things clear, why don't we say "Korean style Yakiniku originated in Korea" instead?--Endroit 14:24, 27 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Yep, i can agree to that. Phonemonkey 23:31, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Japanese people
Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. Rather than reverting, discuss disputed changes on the talk page. The revision you want is not going to be implemented by edit warring. Thank you.

Requests for arbitration
Hello,

I've requested an arbitration regarding the conduct of Freedom skies.

Can I trouble you to write a brief statement at Requests for arbitration recounting your interactions with him at Talk:Civilization?

Thank you.

JFD 04:30, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

State of Nangnang
POV-pushers are back. -- ran (talk) 15:35, 19 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Hello, Ran. Yes of course, State of Nangnang is a POV fork of Lelang Commandery, so I'll keep a close eye on it.  Thank you for letting me know.
 * There's no need to participate, but maybe you may also want to comment in Requests for mediation/Goguryeo later (or Talk:Goguryeo), regarding how to make those articles NPOV. Thanks.--Endroit 18:18, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Requests for arbitration/Freedom skies
Hello,

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Requests for arbitration/Freedom skies. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Requests for arbitration/Freedom skies/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Requests for arbitration/Freedom skies/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, - Penwhale | Blast him / Follow his steps 03:00, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Re:New RFCU for an existing case
Yeah you scared the hell out of me I was archiving it at the exact same time :D I archived the case, and relisted it. -- lucasbfr talk 17:08, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Request for Mediation
This message delivered: 08:17, 26 March 2007 (UTC).


 * I've closed this mediation out as successful. Please see my concluding note at Talk:Karate/Mediation. Thank you for your participation.
 * For the Mediation Committee,  Daniel Bryant  11:48, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Japan FAC
Hi, sorry to trouble you but the FAC was closed prematurely. It has now been re-opened, so if you could vote again at Featured article candidates/Japanthat would help a lot. Thanks, John Smith&#39;s 20:04, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Opening Statement
Please add your opening statement to the mediation page for karate.

Thanks! RogueNinja 16:39, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Suggestion
Now that Japan has FA status, maybe it would be a good idea to get it on the front page. But I'm a little too busy to re-jig the lead to make it suitable - would it be too much to ask you to have a go and list it at Today's featured article?

If you need some feedback just drop me a line. Sorry, just after all those citations, etc I think I need a break from the article! John Smith&#39;s 14:13, 14 April 2007 (UTC)


 * DOH! Yes, I got the date wrong.
 * Yes, why not move it to Constitution Day. It's fairly soon, yet not too soon that we can't squeeze it in. Go for it! John Smith&#39;s 18:02, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Naming
Endroit; I was hoping you might stop by the Port Hamilton page and make some comments on the naming issue there. Several authors seem to admit is the most standard name in English. Nonetheless, they are persisting in claims that "since Korea owns the islands, it should be named in Korean." Being from Korea myself, I know there are a lot of name issues that I really do care about, and I think it's important to stick to this "common usage" policy everywhere. I'd like to get some editors opinions who are interested in naming in general, but not necessarily that page. This island is a rather unnotable place that had a base on it, and always appears in that context. There are some ambiguity concerns, but these happen for several of the choices (the Korean name itself, for example) and does not currently conflict with any other articles.

I'd appreciate it if you could take a look at this page if you have time. You seem to have a level head and have stuck to the policies in the past. While I have one opinion on the name, I encourage you to read over the discussion so far and make up your mind. I want to leave this message because I think there are a few hawks who watch the article and try to "gang up" when the rest of the community might not otherwise notice a small article like this. Komdori 22:06, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Sea of ..... Japan or Korea???????
I'm guessing you are the ones that reverted edits by me in the so-called Sea of Japan article. I'm Korean and maybe you think I did it for prppaganda, but please keep the discussion going in my talk page. As you can see in the main article, the UNS-something still isn't making a clear decision, and the UN accepts to keep the now-fully-heated up discussion going. There isn't enough proof to just dismiss the idea that it is achieved formal recognition. Let's continue the discussion in my talk page.Kfc1864 05:27, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, I am a newcomer, and I am struck a bit by the message you gave. Now, look at the page. I've changed it to neutral stance. Thanks.Kfc1864 15:45, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Japan
The change you made over the territorial bit seem fine. John Smith&#39;s 20:28, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

In closing...
Now that we've settled the issue, if you and I butt heads again in the future, I would greatly appreciate if you would assume good faith on my part (as I did you) and refrain from inundating my talk page with warning templates. Cheers! — Dorvaq (talk) 16:18, 3 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I'll be more considerate next time, since I know now that you're only trying to improve Wikipedia. Also, we really owe a lot to RG & AnonEMouse for their knowledge and maturity... we're both still learning things here in Wikipedia.--Endroit 16:40, 3 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Agreed — we are *all* still learning. — Dorvaq (talk) 17:04, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Requests for arbitration/Freedom skies
This case is now closed and the results have been published at the link above.


 * Freedom skies is placed on standard revert parole for one year. He is limited to one revert per page per week, excepting obvious vandalism. Further, he is required to discuss any content reversions on the page's talk page.
 * Freedom skies shall select one account and use only that account. Any other account used may be indefinitely banned. Pending selection of an account Freedom skies may not edit Wikipedia.
 * Violations of paroles and probations imposed on parties of this case shall be enforced by blocks for an appropriate period of time. Blocks and bans are to be logged at Requests for arbitration/Freedom skies.

For the Arbitration Committee --Srikeit 18:40, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Search engine test
I don't want to clog up the Zainichi Korean talkpage too much, but I'd like to make you aware of the contents in this essay, Search engine test. I hope you read all of it, if you haven't already, but the line I'd like to draw your attention to is "The Google test has always been and very likely always will remain an extremely inconsistent tool, which does not measure notability. It is not and should never be considered definitive". I'm not expecting a reply - I just wanted to inform you of its existance, in case you weren't aware of it already,. Mackan 21:55, 7 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Mackan, I suggest you read WP:Consensus. We obviously disagree on this case (Talk:Zainichi Korean), and that's obviously not going to change.  You may have better luck convincing others, however.  We'll see.--Endroit 22:50, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * That's an unnecessary comment. Have anything I've said suggested I won't respect the consensus? Is now somehow arguing for your opinions against WP:CONSENSUS, if you're not of the same opinion as the majority?Mackan 08:16, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Alright, I'll strike that part.--Endroit 08:22, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Mediation
Hello! We believe enough participants have signed up for us to begin mediation. However, if you have not yet signed up for the MediationWiki, please do so.

Those of you who have signed up can log in at the following URL using the username and password sent in your account creation email: http://www.southportbeekeepers.co.uk/medcom/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&returnto=Goguryeo:Noticeboard

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Thanks!

Armed Blowfish and Daniel Bryant, 07:10, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Dabs with kanji
I agree that it would be good to have a definition of Zainichi at the top of that dab page, and I think that would be better than including kanji for individual entries. On the other hand, I know they aren't really hurting anything. Thanks for pointing out the Yoko and Keiko dabs, because both of those (particularly the Yoko one) are in need of cleanup to adhere to MOS-DAB anyway. They'll give me a little work to do sometime soon... but I'm not sure they are examples of how things should be. Dekimasu よ! 03:43, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Dekimasu, you can dekimasu (出来ます): Please feel free to fix these DAB pages, delete unuseful kanji, etc.  I don't have any strong feelings for the kanji either way.  It's just that I personally couldn't delete them without any Wikipedia-wide standard for kanji's in DAB, especially after seeing how people already spent time and energy putting them there.
 * I thought about the usefulness of kanji in DAB pages, in general. There ARE cases where the kanji actually helps disambiguate, such as in Takuya Kimura (disambiguation) (for those people who care to regard the kanji at all).  Obviously, their full name in romaji, Takuya Kimura (or Kimura Takuya), does not help disambiguate anything.
 * Zainichi was a rare case where there was no romaji whatsoever, so I made some changes. (For some people, the romaji is more useful than the kanji there.)  Let me stress though that I personally don't care if the kanji is there or not, and may be deleted if you like.  It might be good to discuss these issues further in MOS-JA or MOS-DAB.
 * Please feel free to fix my changes to Zainichi to conform to MOS-DAB. Thank you.--Endroit 15:10, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Excuse me Please
Hi I am not sure where to write this, please excuse me if this is in the wrong area. You have been continuously changing my "Quebec" Page back to saying "Quebec (pronounced [kʰwəˈbɛk] or [kʰəˈbɛk]) or, in French, Québec pronounced [kebɛk])," This is an incorrect statement, and I have been trying continuously to correct it. As i can tell, you have blocked my editing of that page. I have not submitted any reasons for editing as of now, but that is only because I was unaware of this process. No offence, but have you ever considered that your view may be wrong? I come from France, and French is my native language. I have lived here in Canada for around 50 years, and I have just recently started looking into Wikipedia. (I am planning to make an account.) The fact that everybody says [kebɛk] does not mean that this is the right way to pronounce it. For example - if everyone starts saying "Whassup", does not mean it is correct English. I would like you to seriously reconsider retracting my statements, because, although most people say that, it is wrong. I do not blame you for thinking this - maybe you even say [kebɛk] yourself. I am not judging you. It is hard to know what is right and what is wrong anymore, with so many people saying words wrong every single day. Thank you for your time.
 * - Trevor —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.108.85.43 (talk • contribs)
 * Hello, Trevor
 * Please note that (correct) and  (wrong) are 2 different pronunciations.  The upside-down "  ə  " is hardly pronounced, and is different from the right-side-up (pronounced)  " e "  used in français.  Please look carefully at which one is currently displayed in the article.  Thank you.--Endroit 14:38, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Hello again. Sorry, I was quoting from a previous time, and had not copied the right word. My sincerest apologies. What you are referring to,, is also incorrect. In the English language, Quebec has the same sound as "white" or "wheel" or "water" Even though many people pronounce it, that is still incorrect. I just thought I should bring this to your attention. Thank you. -Trevor

Joining Mediation
Hi Endroit,

Thanks, I have done as you suggest. I don't think I've ever actually been part of a mediation before. Cheers, -- Visviva 17:23, 20 May 2007 (UTC)


 * There's nothing to it, really. Mediations are straightforward, in that all we need to do is respond in a timely manner, whenever requested by the mediator.  The mediator sets all the rules.  This particular mediation is unusual, in that there are TWO mediators assigned... so there's no question it's a very important one.  And I'm glad you've joined.--Endroit 18:04, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your invitation. I regret that I am unable to give the proper attention to this mediation attempt so I had better not join. I left a query on the Talk:Goguryeo because of concern about the long wait and the possibility that private mediation may have broken down before it even started. Since then I have gathered that several editors who originally signed up had some time conflicts as well. I am not opposed to private mediation and I trust that you, Visviva, and the others will help to solve the disputes over the article in a way that reflects the mainstream. Mumun 無文 13:01, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

3RR
Please do not allow your content disputes to spill over onto the Administrators' noticeboard for 3 revert rule violations. The complaint is now moot. Please use the two days for which the article is protected as an opportunity to work out a version satisfactory to all parties on Talk:Goguryeo. Do not discuss the article content further on WP:AN3. --Selket Talk 06:29, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Dokdo Infobox
Is there some special policy regarding infoboxes that make that excluded from the edit process? The current info box is POV and until issues are resolved in the talk page, this info box needs to be revised or deleted. Please stop leaving templates acusing me of vandalism and engage in honest discussion. Please stop reverting good faith edits.melonbarmonster 16:19, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Content removal is considered vandalism, and if you continue to remove templates in any articles after such warnings, you WILL be blocked for it. If you wish to edit the "Infobox Dokdo", you may do so at Template:Infobox Dokdo.  Thank you for your cooperation.--Endroit 16:24, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Tsushima
Do you mean Takeshima instead of Tsushima here? You'll probably fix it the second I hit "Save Page." --Cheers, Komdori 19:35, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I didn't catch that one.--Endroit 19:41, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Mediation
Thank you, I'll try to join and see if that will make some of my edits last longer than 6 hours without being totally rv'ed and blanked again and again. --JakeLM 18:16, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Liancourt Rocks
Hello Endroit. I have reviewed my closure and decided to overturn and move to Liancourt Rocks. Thank you for your input. Someone at WP:RCU should've blocked the confirmed socks. I guess that hasn't happened yet because one of the users confirmed as a sock is disputing the checkuser result. Best regards, Hús  ö  nd  16:59, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Sockpuppet Accusations
I want to let you know that I will be filing a complaint against you, Koramdi,Parceboy and Endroit for harrassment on Wikipedia. I have been a avid user for over two years, have contributed to many articles and can't believe such Wikiharrassment is tolorated. This is nothing but a witchhunt on the part of you four. Davidpdx 23:53, 29 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Let me know if and when you have been cleared at WP:RFCU. Otherwise, you're nothing but a confirmed sockpuppeteer who's committed vote fraud at Talk:Dokdo.  See Requests for checkuser/Case/Lions3639 for evidence.--Endroit 00:07, 30 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Davidpdx, I see that you have been cleared at RFCU. Please accept my sincerest appologies for believing you to be a sockpuppeteer.  Now that I know you better, I'll try to make sure that it doesn't happen to you again.
 * And I'm sure that the folks over at RFCU will fix their problems too, so that gross errors like that should never happen again (i.e.: "Foreign WHOIS records"). Wikipedia is not perfect, but it is editors like you and me, who make it a better place.  I hope that we can leave this behind us, and I shall look forward to seeing you continue contributing to Wikipedia like you have been before.--Endroit 20:36, 31 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks...I'm not mad about it anymore. I think I was just way too impatient and felt that my voice wasn't going to count for anything in the poll I voted in. The archieve has been edited to reflect the outcome of the RFCU, which is really in the end all I asked for. I have a tendancy to overreact to things, even more so in real life, which I have to learn not to do.


 * I've cut back on my editing the last year due to massive frustration. I'll still be around, but given my hectic personal situation right now and a lack of continuous internet access, I will be unable to edit much. As a whole I like Wikipedia, but sometimes the infighting over stuff is so bad it makes you want to throw up your hands and scream. When I have more time I'll be back and see if I can be a useful editor. Davidpdx 07:44, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

I wonder if the same amount of scrutiny was applied to the pro-Liancourt Rocks voters. Perhaps an investigation is called for, don't you think? You should complain about this behavior.-- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.212.69.195 (talk • contribs)


 * I already asked them if a "comprehensive checkuser can be done on all voters", at WP:RFCU, but that request was denied.--Endroit 15:48, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you,
Thank you so much! I didn't know that Changing username exsited. Things are easier now. And, I will never impersonate Odst again. SO, thank you very much. Amphitere 14:25, 10 June 2007 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. Ce n'était rien.  I'm glad to be of any help.--Endroit 14:38, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

List of Japanese companies
On the List of Japanese companies article, when you get to the "S" section (which you likely will before me), don't worry about indenting the Sumitomo companies. Just list them the same as any of the others. I'm sure people will be able to tell they are related. (^_^) ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 23:45, 14 June 2007 (UTC)


 * OK, I didn't think about that. I'll use the same format as for the others.--Endroit 23:48, 14 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I added Subaru to the S list, just so you don't wonder why that one is done in the middle of the ones you were working on. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 06:00, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * No problem. I'll be working on it, on and off, for a few more hours.
 * I was also thinking of adding some missing Japanese wikilinks for A, B, C, etc., for the letters you're already done with.--Endroit 06:38, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * That's fine by me. I was mainly going through and just entering the info for all the blue links first. Then I'll go back and try to find the ja links for the redlinks. But feel free to fill in any you know for sure. I won't be doing anything in those areas until we meet in the middle. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 16:59, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Nihonjoe, I'll stop at N for now due to time constrainsts. I would like to have finished up to M, but please feel free to complete the rest.
 * Regarding the Japanese wiki-links, I'm 99% sure of the ones I've added. If I had any shred of doubt, I left it blank.
 * A large portion of the ones I left blank are companies which have dissolved, merged and changed names, or else just don't have an article in J-wiki yet. I deleted one particularly dubious name "Nikko Goater".  "Nok" may be dubious as well, but I haven't touched that one.--Endroit 17:40, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

RfC - thought you might be able to help
There's an RfC up on Talk:History of Japan. I thought that your views might be useful to the conversation. It seems silly, I know, but I'd appreciate any help you could give in resolving this matter. Cheers, John Smith&#39;s 18:13, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and commented there. It's sad to see people use Wikipedia as a tool to advocate their preferred neologisms such as "BCE/CE".--Endroit 18:40, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * There's also a discussion here. Please type on my talk page when you're responding so I know where to look. Please stay involved with the discussion on History of Japan. John Smith&#39;s 19:27, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

WP:NPA warning
This is completely unacceptable. Please find a way of disagreeing with your fellow editors which does not involve calling their statements "blatant lies" - perhaps "I disagree" or "what is your reason for that position". I suggest you apologise to Guettarda for this. KillerChihuahua?!? 14:40, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, I'll tone it down a bit. I suggest you watch out for WP:NPOV violations yourself as well.--Endroit 14:45, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Personal attacks
Thank you for striking your personal attack, but I would prefer if you removed it entirely. And don't engage in personal attacks in future. In addition, try getting your facts straight...Japan lacks significant ties to Christianity. If 0.7% of the population is Christian and the religion was never widespread...how can you possibly assert that it is "significant"? Guettarda 15:33, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Go read Religion in Japan again, particularly the part about the Christian wedding and Christmas. 0.7% is NOT the correct figure for the people who celebrate those.--Endroit 15:44, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The Japan article says that 0.7% of Japanese people are Christians. If the article is wildly inaccurate, and Japan is a significantly Christian nation, then you really should fix that.  With a source, of course.  Guettarda 15:47, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Correct, the majority of people who celebrate Christian weddings and Chrismas in Japan are non-Christians.--Endroit 15:50, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * You have a source for any of this? If so, you should add it to the article (since it's currently unsourced).  Anyway, 0.7% is not significant, neither is 4% (assuming that assertion can be sourced).  And does this reflect anything other than penetration of American culture (as opposed to Christianity)?  And how can you possibly consider either 0.7% or 4% significant?  Guettarda 16:06, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * According to this survey, Christian weddings were the most popular, at around 45%. According to this survey, 60% of the Japanese respondents said "Christmas was special" to them.--Endroit 16:23, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * And? "[W]e sent questionnaires to all the people who were registered in the category of Japan of our pen pal service".  So, now you say that online pen pen questionnaires are the basis for your conclusion?  Well, do hurry up and re-write the sourcing guidelines to reflect this.  And while you're at it, be sure to re-write the polling article. :)
 * Please tell me you're joking. Guettarda 17:05, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

But seriously - back to the 0.7% and 4% - please explain how they can be interpreted to mean that there's a "significant" influence. Guettarda 17:06, 14 August 2007 (UTC)


 * So where's YOUR statistics showing the number of non-Christians celebrating Christmas or Christian weddings? Where is it?--Endroit 17:10, 14 August 2007 (UTC)


 * CIA World Factbook, which says "Christian 0.7%"; 0.7% is not significant. It's trivial.  How is 0.7% significant?  That's the only reliably sourced number we have to go on right now.  Online dating polls are not reliable sources.  Guettarda 17:41, 14 August 2007 (UTC)


 * If you didn't understand, I'll repeat: So where's YOUR statistics showing the number of NON-CHRISTIANS celebrating Christmas or Christian weddings?  Where is it?--Endroit 17:52, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Information
Hello Endroit. I inform you that this report was submitted by Bason0. Thanks. --Nightshadow28 20:08, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you for letting me know.--Endroit 21:25, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

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can we effectively rely on english sources for Ancient Korean history? Hwando was a fortress for much of its early history.Odst 00:33, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


 * If you wish to refute what UNESCO says here, you are urged to find a reputable source of equal or higher caliber.--Endroit 01:28, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

AfD formatting
Thanks for fixing my mistake in forgetting the AfD footer. — TKD::Talk 15:11, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

文
Do you mind if I make some stylistic edits to User:Endroit/文? -- JHunterJ 14:57, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Please go right on ahead, and treat it like a regular dab page in public space (as opposed to user space). Thank you.--Endroit 15:05, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Miura-Kaigan Station
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 * The bot was in error. Miura-Kaigan Station & Misakiguchi Station (Kanagawa) are 2 distinctly separate train stations located in the same city.--Endroit 16:53, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Requests for arbitration/Giovanni33-John Smith's
Hello,

An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: Requests for arbitration/Giovanni33-John Smith's. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Requests for arbitration/Giovanni33-John Smith's/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Requests for arbitration/Giovanni33-John Smith's/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Picaroon (t) 01:27, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

User Fixersfixers
Ever get an impression that this vandal (and the sockpuppets) is a mere act? The vandalism such as this oneis so blatent that I can't help but think it is deliberate. Phonemonkey 09:22, 27 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Sure, it's possible they are trying to make somebody else look bad. Although we've been going after the more obvious vandals so far, perhaps we should share whatever information we have:
 * Now Yamla says User:AirFrance358 is the puppetmaster.
 * We're still waiting on an RFCU: Requests for checkuser/IP check
 * With all the commotion, I'm sure the Checkusers will be having a look.
 * Fixersfixers has claimed, they are a member of VANK and supported by the Korean government here (in the "unblock request").
 * AirFrance358 mentions "(Sudbury) History Correction Association" here.
 * --Endroit 18:17, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: Arbitration at Requests for arbitration/Giovanni33-John Smith's
Personal attacks are never acceptable on Wikipedia. You have been here long enough to know that. Please remove your personal attacks from here, and refrain from engaging in that sort of behaviour in the future. Thanks. Guettarda 13:01, 27 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I think it might help if you identify the comments you want to be removed. If it's on the evidence page I think it's up to Picaroon (as the clerk) to decide whether they are acceptable or not. John Smith&#39;s 13:05, 27 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Comments which focus on people rather than behaviour are personal attacks. So I am asking Endroit to remove those comments.  When you try to discredit someone based on their beliefs, that's a personal attack.  Guettarda 13:25, 27 September 2007 (UTC)


 * As I pointed out, you haven't specified what the personal attacks are - he has also commented on what El_C has done, not just talk about politics. I have asked the clerk to get involved, so maybe it would be easier to wait until he has had a look - after all he will have plenty of experience in sorting out this sort of matter.
 * Additionally, as I mentioned on the evidence talk page, I don't believe that labelling people "propagandists" is acceptable just because it's an interpretation of behaviour. Otherwise that would allow people to make all sorts of nasty, personal comments by claiming its based on their behaviour. John Smith&#39;s 13:56, 27 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Look, if you can't figure out my comments, that's fine - they aren't directed at you. Unless Endroit is your sockpuppet, your lack of understanding isn't the issue here.  Your block record suggests that you don't understand the 3RR either.  Endroit's clean block log suggests that s/he does.  Don't substitute your judgment for Endroit's.  Guettarda 14:03, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I was only trying to help you put your point across, rather than him ask the same question later on when you might not be online. Also I'm not sure how a 3RR block log is relevant to understanding personal attacks. John Smith&#39;s 14:17, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

I just realised that this isn't the first time I have warned you about your use of personal attacks. It's pretty simple - comment on behaviour, not people. If you have any questions, feel free to ask other experienced editors. Guettarda 13:04, 27 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I have formally submitted evidence at the Arbcom case, suggesting that El C's political affiliation affected his decision making capability as an admin. It is NOT a personal attack, but a formal accusation.  You are interfering with the Arbcom case by asking it to be removed.  Please ask the Arbcom clerk if it is appropriate or not.  Thank you.--Endroit 17:24, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Endroit, the problem some folks are having is that you absolutely have not "submitted evidence...suggesting that El C's political affiliation affected his decision making capability as an admin." You have submitted evidence about El C's political affiliation (which consists in part--ludicrously--of a picture of Che Guevara) and then mentioned that he blocked Giovanni for three days (which was a reduction) and also John Smith's for three days (though the latter was unblocked and El C did not contest it--a fact which you oddly leave out of your evidence). You have submitted literally no evidence which shows that El C's political affiliation somehow caused him to make poor admin decisions. Rather you have said "Here are his politics, here are decisions which I think are bad" (incidentally several others don't think those decisions were bad at all). You have demonstrated no logical connection between El C's politics and the two admin actions you mention. As such, even mentioning his political beliefs in the context which you do can clearly be construed as an unnecessary and gratuitous personal attack. Aside from El C, at least two other admins and I have a problem with your evidence as presented--a fact which should give you pause. Please add some evidence (very soon) that connects his political beliefs to his admin actions (other than your own feelings or intuitions), or otherwise I think it would be advisable to remove the references to El C's beliefs and comment only on his actions. And, whatever you do, for god's sake remove that picture of Che as I suggested on the evidence talk page. Having it there serves no purpose other than to call into question your motivations in this case and indeed the rest of your evidence, some of which might well be valuable.--Bigtimepeace | talk |  contribs 23:49, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * You're right that the picture is NOT important to the case. (I went ahead and removed it.)  The analysis, however, IS.--Endroit 00:02, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
 * You're ignoring my main point, and Guettarda's points above, but of course that's your prerogative, just as it is your prerogative to post evidence at an ArbCom case that is based largely on another user's political beliefs as you intuit them, so I guess I'll leave it there.--Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 00:25, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

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 * Apparent bot malfunction... MartinBot is shut down indefinitely (at this moment).--Endroit 02:44, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Words for outsiders
Hey thanks for having the foresight to preserve this article. It saddens me that Wikipedians would delete such a great article. I've always wondered if there was a specific word that denotes words for outsiders... i coined "externym" (exter being latin for foreign or strange) but it's far form official. Again, Thanks! Na uf ana :  talk  01:30, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Welcome back
Where were you for the last near two weeks? Somewhere nice? John Smith&#39;s (talk) 22:20, 18 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Ah, right. There are certainly a lot of articles that need work there. John Smith&#39;s (talk) 22:32, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of 東北大學
An article that you have been involved in editing, 東北大學, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/. Thank you. &#9993; Hello World! 16:47, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Arbcom vote - Giano
This is just a clarification. If you read the discussion page with respect to this proposed remedy, you will see that the Arbitration Committee did not wish to impose any restrictions that would prevent Giano from continuing his campaign, as it would clearly bias his opportunity at election. I will also post this to your talk page. I believe it was NewYorkBrad (another candidate, and deservedly well respected) who recommended this. Please reconsider your reasoning. Risker (talk) 19:00, 16 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I responded here.--Endroit (talk) 19:26, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

The proposed "remedy" you cite in your oppose of Giano should have never been put forward, and was the result of some axe-grinding on the part of some current members of the Arbcom, nothing more and nothing less. Lest you think that's beneath such an esteemed body politic, one of them (I have my ideas who, but I won't accuse), had a secret checkuser run on me because of my participation in the whole Durova thing. If this doesn't give you pause about the current state of affairs at Arbcom, nothing will. Giano is just what they need. If he thought someone was being "disuptive" during a case, and that they might be a bad hand sock or something, he would just state it outright, run a public checkuser, and be done with it. Not this crew. They go through back channels, hide it from public view, and it's used later for other purposes, to out normal editors like myself. Vote against Giano if you must, but be informed when you do so. Mr Which ??? 20:15, 16 December 2007 (UTC)


 * MrWhich, whatever you're trying to say or prove, doesn't really concern me. Also, claiming that the said remedy "should have never been put forward" by current Arbcom members, doesn't really help your case.  You are up against 5 Arbcom members who supported the said remedy.  I hope you weren't trying to coerce me into changing my mind, based on such a measely argument.  Also, please watch for WP:CANVAS, because you may be guilty of it.--Endroit (talk) 01:02, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The election is over. And for the record, I never asked anyone to change their votes. I simply commented upon reasoning I found specious. Opposing Giano based upon the non-passed resolution of an Arbcom decision whose focus shifted by one of Durova's supporters (Mercury, who has now resigned the bit, based upon an accumulation of such actions) to Giano is just such specious reasoning. The fact he was dragged in as a party to that case, and that remedies were proposed involving him, demonstrates the need for new thinking on the Arbcom. (Still shaking my head at your implications that I was "canvassing", when I made it clear, I wasn't attempting to get you to change your vote. Sheesh!) Mr Which ??? 01:44, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Well then, we disagree as to the integrity of Arbcom as well as the integrity of Durova. And we disagree as to your intentions of your posts here in my talk page, MrWhich.  As we have nothing further to talk about, any further comments by you will be deleted.  Read WP:AGF first before spreading false accusations around about Arbcom.--Endroit (talk) 03:28, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

CJKV Disambiguation
Hey Endroit - I know we've had our disagreements in the past, but I want to leave you a note to tell you that I genuinely think your idea of doing something specific for CJKV disambiguation is a great idea. I was also wondering, what do you think of proposing a guideline for it? Basically it would be a guideline for disambig and redirect pages that have Chinese-character names. This isn't exclusive to also forming some taskforce or WikiProject, but a guideline would actually have a bit of enforceability to it than a WikiProject or a taskforce. For one thing, it would help dissuade those editors who think Chinese-character pages should all be deleted wholesale. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 18:32, 19 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you, HongQiGong. I'm glad to know of your support.  I was hesitant to go forward, because I hadn't heard from editors of primariliy Chinese-related articles until now.


 * I agree that the smallest possible guideline, task force, etc., would have the best effect. And so I went ahead and submitted my proposal at Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation.  Please comment there.  (If there's a need for a task force, we can discuss that later.)--Endroit (talk) 20:27, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Empress Jingū
In the context created by your recent entanglement in something to do with the legendary Empress Jingū of Japan, perhaps you may be interested in something posted on the National Archives of Japan website. As it happens, a likeness of the empress graced Meiji period 10-yen notes from 1883 through 1899, and an easy opportunity to see this for yourself is only a click away.
 * National Archives of Japan: ...Click for link to image of 10-yen bill
 * Archive description: A banknote sample attached to a letter of inquiry submitted by Ministry of Finance to Grand Council of State in March, 1883, on issuance of a new 10 Yen Bill designed by Edoardo Chiossone, an Italian employed by the ministry. The face of the banknote depicts Empress Jingu. Circulation of this banknote started on Sept. 9, 1883, and ended on Dec. 31, 1899. "Kobun Fuzoku no Zu" (Pictures and charts affiliated with Kobun Roku ) containing this illustration were designated as National Important Cultural Properties of Japan in 1998 together with "Kobunroku".(Compiled Records of the Grand Council of State)

Thank you for your part in helping me to become a better contributor to Wikipedia's improvement. --Ooperhoofd (talk) 21:07, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I'll be glad to help anytime, if you don't mind waiting for me a few days.
 * I saw your link for the 10-yen bill, and it looks interesting. I verified the following text on the bill:
 * 神功皇后 (Empress Jingū)
 * 拾圓 (Ten yen)
 * 大日本帝國政府大藏省印刷局製造 (Created by the Imperial Japanese government, Ministry of Finance, Printing Office)
 * 明治十四年製造 (Created 1881)
 * --Endroit (talk) 18:19, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

A tag has been placed on 蹴鞠, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A2 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be a foreign language article that was copied and pasted from another Wikimedia project, or was transwikied out to another project. Please see Translation to learn about requests for, and coordination of, translations from foreign-language Wikipedias into English.

Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself. To contest the tagging and request that administrators wait a while for you to add contextual material, please affix the template  to the page, and put a note on Talk:蹴鞠. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Truthanado (talk) 02:20, 1 January 2008 (UTC)


 * My response is at Talk:蹴鞠. The creation of that particular Dab page follows the guidelines at WP:DAB.  The CJKV guideline there was created after a few discussions, namely:
 * Articles for deletion/Mon (currency) (Discussed Sept. 4 thru 11)
 * Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion#What's the policy on non-Latin characters for article titles? (Discussed Nov. 18 thru 19)
 * Articles for deletion/東北大學 (Discussed Nov. 23 thru Dec. 1)
 * You may try the normal ("slow track") deletion request. However a "speedy deletion" for the given reason is premature, given that previous discussions appear to approve the existence of Dab pages with Chinese titles, as long as they follow all the normal rules at WP:DAB.--Endroit (talk) 03:05, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

CSD-R3
Hm... The only redirects that I have placed speedies on are all in foreign languages. Last time I checked, it was approved under the fact that users would not be entering Chinese or Japanese into the English Wikipedia. If I am mistaken, I'd like to apologize in advance. Please let me know and I won't nominate the other foreign language redirects from now on. Happy editing! - Jameson L. Tai  talk ♦ contribs 10:02, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
 * When I first started Wikipedia a year and a half ago, I did remember reading something that said the complete opposite (then again it's been a year and half...). I'll abide by this one then.  Thanks for updating this old fart's WikiKnowledge.  - Jameson L. Tai  talk ♦ contribs 10:08, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, it's certainly not confusing me personally...it's just that when I first started Wikipedia I was told not to do that. But yeah, I read those redirects just fine... (I understand Chinese pretty well, and as for Japanese, I can't say the same, but if I was kidnapped right now and transported to Japan I'm pretty sure I can summon enough Japanese left in me from high school to at least not get myself killed...lol)  Anyways, thank you for understanding as well.  - Jameson L. Tai  talk ♦ contribs 10:20, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Knee-jerk reversions
Please don't make knee-jerk reversions because you have some erroneous idea that articles cannot be renamed or otherwise touched whilst an AFD discussion is ongoing. Of course they can. Moves don't have to be discussed. Indeed, bold improvements to articles to address the points made in the discussion are encouraged. The template is engineered so that the discussion link continues to work, which is the only reason that renaming used to be problematic. Revert moves only if you think that they are wrong, not simply because they weren't discussed. Reverting merely for the sake of it is daft and pointless, just wastes everyone's time and effort, and undoes work that made the encyclopaedia better, thereby making it worse again. This move was clearly right, as you can see by reading the article. Jonathan de Boyne Pollard (talk) 23:07, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I contested your move because you didn't discuss it with anyone. And the article name had been at Japanophile for a long time, before you came along.  If you get people to agree with your move first though, per WP:CONSENSUS, I wouldn't contest it.  I think you should follow the procedure at WP:RM if you wish to make the move.--Endroit (talk) 23:14, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Here it is in boldface this time: Moves don't have to be discussed.   They don't have to be agreed first, and they don't have to be requested.  They can be just done.  Get this idea out of your head that moves have to be discussed beforehand, and that you should revert any moves that weren't discussed solely because they weren't discussed.  You are causing a needless waste of your time and everyone else's time.  Reverting for the sake of it is counterproductive.  You're reversing changes that make the encyclopaedia better, and in doing so you are making the encyclopaedia worse again.  The object is always to make the encyclopaedia better. Jonathan de Boyne Pollard (talk) 01:48, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I reiterate: Please discuss it in the talk page, and reach consensus for it first, before you move the page.  Read WP:CONSENSUS and WP:RM, and follow those procedures.  Thank you.--Endroit (talk) 20:47, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of 石原裕次郎
A tag has been placed on 石原裕次郎, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G4 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be a repost of material that was previously deleted following a deletion debate, such as at articles for deletion. Under the specified criteria, where an article has substantially identical content to that of an article deleted after debate, and any changes in the content do not address the reasons for which the material was previously deleted, it may be deleted at any time.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on |the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. JD554 (talk) 09:30, 11 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Please show evidence of such a "deletion debate" if there is one. Otherwise CSD-G4 does not apply.--Endroit (talk) 09:48, 11 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't know why this is showing as G4 when I added an R3 speedy using Twinkle. Anyway, as I've stated below, it just shows as question marks in my browser, hence the implausible typo request. The character set is obviously not installed on my computer. I've removed the speedy request. --JD554 (talk) 09:56, 11 January 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, thank you very much. Those texts are in Japanese, by the way.--Endroit (talk) 09:58, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of 松田優作
A tag has been placed on 松田優作, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G4 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be a repost of material that was previously deleted following a deletion debate, such as at articles for deletion. Under the specified criteria, where an article has substantially identical content to that of an article deleted after debate, and any changes in the content do not address the reasons for which the material was previously deleted, it may be deleted at any time.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on |the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. JD554 (talk) 09:41, 11 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Please show evidence of such a "deletion debate" if there is one. Otherwise CSD-G4 does not apply.--Endroit (talk) 09:49, 11 January 2008 (UTC)


 * You beat me to it. I was just trying to add: I've removed my G4 speedy request for this as it isn't for previously speedily deleted articles. I also did not realise that it was a transliteration redirect as my browser simply showed four question marks. Apologies--JD554 (talk) 09:52, 11 January 2008 (UTC)


 * No problem. Same for the other one, 石原裕次郎 ?--Endroit (talk) 09:54, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Two questions
You may be much more knowledgeable of the wiki policies than me, but why don't you make an official file on the users whom you suspect? The template which you tagged on the users is nothing but a mere unconfirmed accusation. Make an official file to SSP or RFCU to prove whether you suspicion is right or not. As an observer, the template looks irritating.

And I know you have produced CJKV projects, but the japanese redirect titles you have made have nothing to do with the project. Here is not Japanese wikpedia, right? The original names are all mentioned on the related articles. Readers can easily find needed articles by the search tool.--Appletrees (talk) 20:13, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
 * As you know by now, I filed an RFCU at Requests for checkuser/Case/AirFrance358. Combined with your Requests for checkuser/Case/KoreanShoriSenyou, I believe these RFCU's will be a big plus in reducing the disruptive revert-wars.  (I'm sorry, I had to include you because you were actively participating in the revert-wars.)
 * I disagree that the search tools we have now in the English wikipedia are helpful. For example, a search for 北野武 does not find Takeshi Kitano because of the space in between, and a search for 京セラ does not find Kyocera because of the 株式会社 thing at the end.
 * --Endroit (talk) 18:19, 20 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmm, you cheated it before answering my question. I don't respect dishonest people with strong POV. The revert wars with those people is because I found some evidences they're long-time sockpuppet masters. You have to make differs what "I" made suspicious behaviors on your report.


 * As for the second answer, you can suggest a better resolution for Mos-Ja.


 * In addition, I don't think your suggestion at East Sea is a wise solution. It is only for pro-japanese. --Appletrees (talk) 18:51, 20 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, too bad, our opinions differ. Going back to your 2 questions:
 * Your "evidences" have yet to be confirmed at RFCU, as are mine. I advise you to wait for the CU response.
 * I don't see your point. Redirects are the best solution at this time.
 * --Endroit (talk) 19:39, 20 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I haven't ever expected you and I can be a "friend", so your gesture looks meaningless. (I believe you think the same as mine). I suggested you to make differs because one of your party vandalised my page 4 times! Making differs on my edits and e..somthing83's is one way to prevent the sock ip user's vain struggles. And several admins agreed that those ip addresses are obvious socks. Well, will see how things go.


 * Hmm... actually, I don't support your CJKV project because you just focus on Japanese terms. Chinese characters in Korean writing system is not much important as in Japanese one. You don't seem to make any effort on Korean and Vietnamese language. --Appletrees (talk) 19:49, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Sea of Japan / East Sea
Hmm... I think there are reasonable ways to present the information in the article that would be generally acceptable to everyone (and after all, it's not such a big deal; anyone who cares very much about this naming issue is probably already very familiar with it). I put my two cents into the discussion, but it looks like the talk page is currently generating more friction than consensus. So let me just say thanks for keeping your cool in somewhat trying circumstances. --Reuben (talk) 08:49, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Page Userfied per Request on AfD
Just a reminder that the original page "Japanese pens and stationery" has been userfied to your userpage namespace, User:Endroit/Japanese_pens_and_stationery, per request made on AfD. Yamamoto Ichiro 会話 04:31, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I will lay out my plans at User talk:Endroit/Japanese pens and stationery, to discuss with others, where to go from here.--Endroit (talk) 06:03, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Chinese cash
Please check Talk:Chinese wén and see if this answers your concern. If so, please check the external links or numismatic literature and reconsider your opposition to the move. Thanks. —  AjaxSmack   00:29, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
 * My reply is at Talk:Chinese wén. I'm sorry, the target "Chinese cash" is such an ambiguous name.--Endroit (talk) 18:26, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Chinese wen
I am quite new to Wikipedia. I read your comments regarding the requested move for "Chinese wen" and I found myself in agreement with them (assuming I correctly understand what you wrote). My request for clarification was evidently unclear. Please bear in mind that I do not know Chinese, so I must obtain Chinese characters second hand and I must assume that they are correct.

I understood you to say that lí (厘), qián (錢), and wén (文) all qualify for the "Chinese cash" designation. This is exactly the point: there are three quite different uses of the English word cash that must be kept separate: (1) cash = lí (厘), the weight; (2) cash = qián (錢), the traditional cast coin; and, (3) cash = wén (文), the denomination unit. This existing article entitled "Chinese wen" is therefore quite confused and unsuitable,  and renaming it "Chinese cash" would not improve anything. It either has to be rewritten or else merged with some other existing article.

Some basic information that has to be kept in mind is sometimes forgotten and needs repeating. An example is found in your statement: "Another point to consider is that the square-holed copper coins were used differently throughout history, and that the 1000 to 1 exchange ratio with the tael (兩) didn't always apply, or simply didn't exist at times."

As an English speaker, I found that this Wikipedia article only confused me about the use of wén (文) in Chinese. The pioneer reference work on modern Chinese paper money, Ward D. Smith and Brian Matravers: Chinese Banknotes (Shirjieh Publishers: Menlo Park, 1970), describes "wen" as a denomination and states in "Appendix 3 - Monetary Units" that the milled coppers (also called "copper cash" and sometimes just "cash") were called mei (玫). I am still unclear about the use of "wen" and "mei". Any help would be appreciated.Sivasova (talk) 18:40, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Please give the opinion to me
The relation between imperial household and Baekjae of Japan is being discussed. I hope for your opinion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Princesunta (talk • contribs) 10:18, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I responded here.--Endroit (talk) 17:52, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Split of Chinese cash
I have initiated a discussion based on your comments at Talk:Chinese wén. —  AjaxSmack   17:39, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I responded here.--Endroit (talk) 18:16, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I will probably attempt a split based on your support even though most of the input has been from one user (User:Dove1950) and is rather sceptical. Do you have anything else to add there?  Thanks. —   AjaxSmack   05:29, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * AjaxSmack, please read my comment there. I believe that inclusion of the usage of the word "Cash" in English is critical.  You may also want to revise your version of Chinese cash (currency) to include Dove1950's expanded discussion of the word wén in Chinese.  The idea is to include BOTH your version and Dove1950's version as much as possible.
 * The split can of course be done without WP:RM, but I think it is better to do it formally.--Endroit (talk) 17:30, 3 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks. A couple of points.  1) Specifically what are you referring to when you cite "Dove1950's expanded discussion of the word wén in Chinese"?
 * 2) All parties involved in the last RM were notified of the split proposal. The problem with arranging it as a RM is that issues of English vs Chinese usage and split issues dealt with together tend to result in no consensus for anything.  (But this is how the split idea was first broached which was one positive result).  That's why I put split tags at the top of the article, notified all parties previously involved, and waited much longer than the rather short 5-day RM window.  Parties who continued to discuss were notified of any new proposals.  If you think it's better that the wén vs cash issue be decided by WP:RM then that's fine but I will probably proceed with the split per WP:BOLD.
 * 3)Additional terminological clarity can be added with hatnotes and by amending Chinese cash (disambiguation) to include the etymology as follows:

 Chinese cash may refer to:
 * Cash (Chinese coin) (fāng kǒng qián), a type of copper coin used in imperial China
 * Chinese cash (currency) (wén), a historical Chinese currency unit often used on cash coins
 * Cash (mass) (lí), a Chinese unit of weight equivalent to 1/1000 tael, and a currency equivalent to that weight in silver

The word "cash" used in these ways was derived from the Tamil kāsu, a South Indian monetary unit. The English word "cash," meaning "tangible currency," is an older word from Middle French caisse. .


 * See also
 * Chinese currency
 * Cash


 * Notes


 * —  AjaxSmack   20:47, 3 March 2008 (UTC)


 * AjaxSmack, I didn't know if you had contacted everyone. I think it's OK for you to do the split, based on what you have at your user space.  I'll continue to support you.
 * I believe that the consensus had shifted in favor of an English name since the initial WP:RM, once the dab issue was resolved. And I believe there's more consensus for the split anyways.--Endroit (talk) 21:09, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of 拉麵
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 * Section A2 of the criteria for speedy deletion does not apply here, since this is a disambiguation page, which disambiguates between 2 articles in the English Wikipedia, per Disambiguation.--Endroit (talk) 07:18, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Appletrees is abusing the system
Hello, my sockpuppet:-) I was added to the checkuser list by Appletrees for unclear reasons too. Now I reported his/her abuse of the system to WP:AN/I because I think third opinions are needed. --Nanshu (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 00:14, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * That AN/I discussion is now archived here.--Endroit (talk) 17:35, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

"Llamas" on the Shinto article
Hi, I noticed your revert just now-- just wanted to point out that perhaps the person meant Lama (as in the Dalai Lama). Yes, a lama is a teacher of Tibetan Buddhism, but perhaps whoever put that in was confusing lamas with regular Buddhist monks. Either way your revert still stands, I just thought I'd share my thoughts on that. Best regards. -Tadakuni (talk) 19:28, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * If appropriate words aren't used, he'll get reverted anyways. Category:Lamas does not appear to have anyone related to Japan.--Endroit (talk) 19:35, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * That's what I'm saying; it has nothing to do with Japan, so it may have been a poor choice of words due to a misunderstanding of definition, on his part. But like I said, regardless of what the intent may have been, your reversion still holds; I'm not objecting to it. -Tadakuni (talk) 19:44, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, thank you.--Endroit (talk) 19:49, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Redirect templates
Hi Endroit,

I just wanted to stop by and let you know that there are a number of templates used to categorize redirects and you should feel free to use them when you create new ones. For example, for your recent contributions I would suggest R from alternate language.

While this is not required, it only takes a second, is surprisingly intuitive, and makes managing the vast sea of redirects that much easier. When you get a chance, you might want to take a look through Template messages/Redirect pages to familiarize yourself with the different templates available.

Feel free to ask if you have any questions! Thanks, and 頑張れ！ -- jonny - m t  10:33, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Jonny. I'll definitely read up and start using them.  I've been trying to keep track of my past redirects here and here, so it should be easy for me to go back and apply those templates.  I also have a list of dab pages here.--Endroit (talk) 10:42, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Wow, those are pretty impressive lists! If you're really intent on going back and applying the template tags, to all of those pages, I might suggest WP:FRIENDLY, which makes the task about as easy as it can be.  Good luck! -- jonny - m  t  15:23, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you again. I'll study up on those Firefox-enabled tools.  This will be a good chance for me to get used to them.--Endroit (talk) 18:17, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

大田‎
Hi, This provision: Title seems quite clear: article titles should be in English. Under what rationale should 大田‎ be allowed to stand as an article title? Thanks, WWGB (talk) 09:56, 16 March 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, thanks for the update. Obviously I wasn't aware of the background, just "being bold". Cheers, WWGB (talk) 10:16, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

I wish to express my gratitude for your advice.
I wish to express my gratitude for the comment of you of Talk:Imperial House of Japan. And, please help me again. I use poor English. Therefore, I do not understand the reason why Appletrees gets excited. Could you concisely explain his insistence? Because his rebuttal is complex, I do not understand. --Princesunta (talk) 11:13, 24 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Appletrees thinks you're somebody else, probably because of the similarity in your machine translations. I commented in Talk:Japanese language with that opinion.
 * Also, I suggest that you cite reliable sources per WP:V.--Endroit (talk) 15:56, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Yokohama
Hmmm....A place for a foreigner to go in Yokohoma is not notable? I see it spoken of constantly on music television in Japan. Thought I would give that away. Thanks, Electric Japan (talk) 18:23, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The place is not historically significant, nor is it famous like "Silk Center", "Bund Hotel", etc. If it were really famous, it would have an article of its own per WP:ORG, either on the English wiki or the Japanese wiki.--Endroit (talk) 18:34, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Yokohoma is for the visitor
On Wikipedia there is a lot of information on Japan. Unfortunately, there is not a lot to help people interested in going somewhere in Yokohoma. I get asked a lot of where to go in Japan. In Yokohoma, people want to go somewhere where they can enjoy themselves. I always tell them of a restaurant and the bars. Definately not a shopping mall or tourist trap. You can read about that anywhere, but not in English. And that is the point I am making. Places to go to socialize with other people is difficult.

Maybe you should think again about what other Wikipedians can offer to others onboard here. There is already enough historically significant places known to the visitor. Word of mouth is hard to come by in Yokohoma,Japan of decent places. I know this by experiance. I have no idea what those places you are talking of is. Never heard of them. And I live here. Thanks a lot, Electric Japan (talk) 07:47, 29 March 2008 (UTC)


 * "Word of mouth" does not cut it in Wikipedia. It is up to you to cite credible sources per WP:V, before introducing material about "Motion Blue".  Only then can we discuss where (which article) that infomation belongs.
 * Perhaps you should be directed to the Yokohama article in "Wikitravel" instead. The Yokohama article in Wikipedia is not intended for travellers.--Endroit (talk) 16:25, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Hawaii WikiProject Newsletter - Issue I - April 2008
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CJKV taskforce
The CJKV taskforce has been created to assist in disambiguation of Chinese, Japanese, Korean, and Vietnamese when using Kyūjitai, Hanja, Hán tự, Simplified Chinese, and Shinjitai (Kanji). If you wish to participate, please come and help out. I was bold and moved your page listing the various existing redirects to be a subpage of the taskforce, too. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 18:59, 5 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you for starting the project. I will help in any way that I can.
 * Also, please feel free to use any of the resources in my user space and/or move them out of my user space.--Endroit (talk) 22:42, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * That was the only one I knew of. If there are others, feel free to move them over if you think they'd be useful. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 23:35, 5 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually there was also this, which may have been too specific and/or restrictive. I'll scrap that, and will suggest some fresh new (and hopefully simpler) ideas in the WP:WPDAB-CJKV project talk page as time goes along.
 * But in general, if you see any other material in my user space which may be useful, please feel free to use them in other projects as well.--Endroit (talk) 23:57, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

I thought I would pass it on
I still get a kick outta what you said to me about Yokohoma and travelers. I'd like to know if you are a pulling my leg? I get surprisingly few laughs on here like that one. Have a good day. Thanks Electric Japan (talk) 09:22, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

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Requested move of ume
You previously participated in a move request of ume. I have revived the request so please visit Talk:Ume if you care to contribute. —  AjaxSmack   16:13, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

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Chinese cash
You have previously participated in discussions of the title of the article Chinese wén. If you care, please discuss a resolution of this issue by suggesting your preferred title at Talk:Chinese wén. —  AjaxSmack   02:00, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

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India and English
I read your comment somewhere that English is NOT the primary language of India. You might be surprised to know that there re more English-speakers in India, than Hindi-speakers. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 19:00, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:Article_titles
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AfD
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