User talk:EnglishGarden

I don't know where to post messages to other editors, so I will do so here I guess:

The overall definition of Mail Order Bride on Wikipedia does not match the common parlance.

Look at the Dickerson case in Maryland this week: The media and commentators are calling a 19 year old Latvian woman a Mail Order Bride although Dickerson DID NOT meet her via an agency or website. They met on the beach.

UPDATE: August 11th, Anna Dickerson admits husband never abused her

So the proper definition would be: "Women from developing countries who marry an American man whom she came into contact while she was in her home country.". Because that is the reality of the terminology. The other definition is fine as well. I am not going to argue this now, however, which is why I made no change.

Mentioning an age difference is relevant only by presenting the numbers and letting the reader decide. Many non-Americans would see a 20 year difference and not think anything of it. In fact, there are plenty of American college coeds who date men in their forties. Whether an American man in his forties dates a Latvian or an American woman, the motivation to date younger women is usually about them looking nice and not about "controlling" them. It is common sense that appearance is motivation number 1, 2 and 3. Let's be real. The average man who marries a foreign woman is 41 and she is 26.

About Encounters: the other side of the story needs to be said but my edits should suffice.

About listing murders: There were 3000 murders of American brides in the same time period. Listing the 3 murders here is acceptable because they are relevant to the special interest groups making their case. But it would be insane not to place that in perspective.

Let's not pretend in writing Wiki text that Congress reads or considers laws that are tacked onto the back of 1000 page documents. Certainly nobody in Congress understood that the clause regarding foreign women "approving" of specific men's backgrounds...would result in an immediate restraining order. Actually: Tom Tancredo voted against IMBRA.

It is way off to pretend that politicians vote for a law for the same reasons as the lobbyists and other proponents declare. Some laws are passed in a quid pro quo for other favors from other lawmakers. IMBRA seems to have been part of a deal, but that is not a value judgment I care to make on this site. Suffice it to say they voted for IMBRA and not add such value judgments. ;-)

Tahirih
Please note that Tahirih Justice Center is a Featured Article, meaning it's regarded as one of the best articles on Wikipedia. You have to be careful and sensitive when making massive changes to articles like these because they will often get reverted very quickly. Thank you.UberCryxic 17:39, 1 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Please see WP:NPOV for how to properly phrase statements on Wikipedia. Thank you.UberCryxic 19:22, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Posting personal information
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 * Harassing the same user by is not likely to garner you any friends either. You have "reported" the problem; keeping your head down would be a good move right now else you will lose any possible claim to the moral high ground. HTH HAND —Phil | Talk 19:55, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Phil: OK. I thought I was just answering him because he posted something to my page.

I am glad that I somehow reported the problem. I will keep my head down now.EnglishGarden 19:59, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * What part of "keeping your head down" involves continuing the argument in the same fashion as before? Not only did you continue being uncivil to UberCryxic, you uploaded no less than three entirely unnecessary images with which to illustrate your argument, images whose licensing status is unclear your claim notwithstanding. Stop messing about and take part in the RFC properly. —Phil | Talk 22:36, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Phil: What planet is this crowd on? I am not being uncivil to Erald Kolosi whose parents are on the Tahirih Fundraising Committee. A New York Times reporter is observing this.

However, if you think it would help, I will stop arguing. But note that I really just boiled the matter down to one small link needed when IMBRA is first described. He won't even allow that. And for good reason. Any hint of controversy would seriously hurt Tahirih's image. This webmaster cannot allow that. You guys really should have booted him when the proof first came out that the star editor of the Tahirih article was the son of a fundraiser.

I have never known any organization that wouldn't have immediately booted him from such a conflict of interest. The Internet is really a bad place to have to operate mainly because of the personal voice disconnect and the slow reaction times.

Look at how the pro-IMBRA people were called by Ubercrycxic for help. Anyway. Point taken. I will stop arguing.EnglishGarden 23:12, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm...
Please be aware that you cannot change the content of a user's message. It does not matter if you disagree with it. You should not change it. If you do disagree with it, then state so, otherwise refrain from your current activities. Thank you.UberCryxic 12:27, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Hey, about your comments to SuperDude115, I have no problem if you solicit help from other users, but you should probably do so on their talk page. Normally that's where Wikipedia editors write to other editors, not on their userpage.UberCryxic 16:14, 12 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I moved the comment in question to SuperDude115's talk page, where it belongs. He doesn't seem to have edited in some time, no-one else had moved it and it was just sitting there. Fourohfour 23:09, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Personal remarks
Let me be very clear here: if you make any further comments about UberCryxic's parents—regardless of whether your particular allegations have any merit—you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Do not do this again. Kirill Lokshin 17:54, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

This is entirely the wrong answer: Kirill should have removed the POV from the article in question and/or investigated the allegations. Criticizing me for recognizing the obvious and complaining...is entirely inappropriate.EnglishGarden 22:37, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

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