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July 2022
Hello, I'm Praxidicae. I wanted to let you know that some of your recent contributions to Hope not Hate have been reverted or removed because they seem to be defamatory or libellous. Take a look at our welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. PRAXIDICAE🌈 14:02, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

Help me!
Please help me with... I edited a page to include an expose on the group Hope Not Hate that was swiftly removed. This group have deceived people and lied to the public on numerous occasions. Why was this removed when the evidence is there to see in the expose? This is of public interest and should remain for anyone to view. Not once have I defamed anyone in this edit.

In July 2022, journalist Tommy Robinson released an expose on the far-left group Hope Not Hate. In this expose, we learn the underhand tactics this far-left group use to fabricate lies against anyone who disagrees with their current agenda. The group Hope Not Hate, has been working to try and "expose" Tommy Robinson and anyone close to him. Their underhand tactics have included allegations of "sexual assault", "drug dealing" "providing drugs to sources of information to get them to lie" "paying £20,000-£30,000 to other sources of information", "putting a vulnerable girl who fled domestic violence at risk of attacks, after spreading lies about where Tommy Robinson was living". There are numerous other allegations against this group and its leader, Nick Lowles which are exposed in this documentary https://rumble.com/v1cncgb-hope-not-hate- exposed.html E. Currently, Hope Not Hate also has numerous police investigations against them and its leaders. EnglishPatriotTR (talk) 14:37, 18 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Rumble is not a reliable source and Wikipedia is not the place to right great wrongs. Not to mention there are 0 reliable sources calling HnH an extremist group. PRAXIDICAE🌈 14:43, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Tommy Robinson/Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon has multiple convictions including assault, fraud and contempt of court. He has multiple associations with Far Right hate.--Kitchen Knife (talk) 15:15, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

You said it “seems” like libellous or defaming…did you do any research to check if you were correct or is that just your opinion? I’m not asking to right any great wrongs, the facts should be out there. Who said that HRH were extremists? Now you’ve mentioned it, it does seem like they’re extremists who think it’s ok to break the law if it suits their agenda. What they have done to people is far worse then anything Tommy has ever done and hopefully Nick and his organisation will disappear into nothing. I will be asking my solicitor if he thinks any part of my post was libellous or defaming to anyone or any group and if he agrees that it’s not…I will repost it. What have Tommy’s convictions got to do with me editing Hate Not Hope’s page? It seems to me that you’re biased and agree with the underhand tactics that this group use. Obviously, you support this woke agenda that’s being pushed all around the globe…the rainbow gave that away.
 * You cant get legal aid for a civil matters solicitor unless you don't have the cash to pay for one. Yaxley-Lennon's convictions are relevant, especially the ones that involved dishonesty, so he is not a reputable source so Wikipedia does not report reference his comments in any way. Well, find someone legitimate that says they are underhand. It is not a matter of supporting the woke agenda, whatever that is, but not providing a platform form for cranks and bigots who like to push the websites of other cranks and bigots. You won't go to a solicitor because they'll charge and you cannot pay. Given Robinsons' complete failure in the Criminal and Civil courts I'm sure that collectively WikiPedia says "bring in on". --Kitchen Knife (talk) 18:13, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

So is that you saying I’m a crank and a bigot? What makes you think I’m a bigot and a crank? You clearly have no idea. These allegations will be getting put on here as soon as the investigation’s and possible criminal proceedings are over. Hate Not Hope have been exposed in the past for fabricating stories and will no doubt be exposed again. They were made to pay £1m in a court for claiming conservative MP’s had connections to “far-right” groups. That in itself should be flagged by yourself and any source of information that you have on this site, from Hate Not Hope should be discredited. That’s obviously not happened because I’ve read many posts on this site that have been proven to come from this far-left group.
 * You don't have a case you are just a bully & blowhard trying to intimidate people. "that have been proven to come from this far-left group" derange twaddle you don't even understand the concept of proof. Now claims of having lost a libel case are actionable and of course, you haven't provided any backup for any of your claims but then again you don't have evidence of anything. I don't think there is likely ever to be an end to criminal proceedings against Robinson, because of his frequent crimes. As to you crank & bigot status well if the glove fits... --Kitchen Knife (talk) 18:53, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

I wasn’t talking about any criminal proceedings against Tommy Robinson when I said “I’ll post it after they have concluded the case”. I was talking about the criminal proceedings against Hate Not Hope and their leaders. They have 3 police investigations into the underhand tactics they have used on numerous people. When Hate Not Hope are convicted, I will repost it all. The evidence is all in the documentary and has been handed over to the police for them to investigate. The crime that Tommy has been convicted for are nowhere near as bad as the ones that Hate Not Hope have “allegedly” committed. Hate Not Hope have been proven to be liar’s, surely they cannot be a reliable source of information? Who have I tried bullying or intimidating? I can be intimidating and be a bully but that’s not who I am. 🤣 resort to petty name calling like that’s going to hurt my feelings. Wikipedia is a sham and full of left wing puppet’s. Bye bye wokeman.
 * No they don't have investigations. They have 3 complaints by you, which will be found baseless but that will not shut you up. There is more chance of you and your mates being prosecuted for attempts to pervert the course of justice. The only person proven to be a liar is Tommy Robinson, found guilty by a court. You have gone around here mentioning lawyers putting up the unsupported claims of a convicted liar trying to bully Hope not Hate.--Kitchen Knife (talk) 21:06, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

I would like to point out that I am not Tommy Robinson or, am I anyone, within his inner circle. You obviously think I am Tommy, because of you pointing out the money for legal services, legal aid and then you said “There is more chance of you and your mates being prosecuted for attempts to pervert the course of justice”. I am 100% certain that I am not Mr Tommy Robinson or anything to do with his work. I am a citizen that believes both sides should be out there for people to decide for themselves. People like you, who censor or try to silence other’s, is exactly what is wrong with this country. You should be ashamed of yourself.
 * The rules of Wikipedia are perfectly clear. Reliable sources have to be provided and you have provided none. I don't think you are Robinson but simply treated you like the standard EDL/BNP member. You are free to say whatever you want but you aren't free to use other people's systems as you see fit, but typically for the rightwing, you think freedom of speech means everyone has to give you a platform. They don't and never have. Freedom of speech is the right to be free from government interference in expressing yourself, even then you have to obey the rules of not intimidating, harassing or abusing. You are supporting someone who thinks they should be able to dictate how people dress never mind what they say. You seem to be a keen supporter of Robinson and his ilk and you are championing his POV here, referring to you as one of his "mates" is perfectly legit as even if not a direct associate you are a fellow traveller. Of course, if someone does think that and the police want to be sure they will just ask Wikipedia for your IP. Wikipedia Admins will also be able to check that IP and see if you have used any others accounts.Sockpuppetry--Kitchen Knife (talk) 22:15, 18 July 2022 (UTC)