User talk:Enikk

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Proposed deletion of Winston I. Nunes


The article Winston I. Nunes has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * No indication that this individual may satisfy WP:N or WP:BIO. Very few Gnews/Google hits, and no third-party, published, reliable sources cited or found.

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Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing  will stop the Proposed Deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. The Speedy Deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and Articles for Deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Tim Song (talk) 18:50, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Stuff moved from Talk:Winston I. Nunes
Hi there. I think that this has all got rather confusing.

In the interests of sorting things out, I have moved all this stuff over from the talk page of the article, blanked said talk page, and added a header. I hope that this is useful; the 'helpme' discussions etc belong here, on your own talk page. I will add more to the end of this section.  Chzz  ►  19:03, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

This is a real person whose relevance is his relationship to the pentecostal Charismatic movement and the Latter day rain movements. He was a mentor to Benny Hinn, world known TV evangelist. I will add links to Hinns site and Laterday Rain sites as soon as I figure out how. This is my first article and I am trying to follow the rules, including reseaching and referencing my work. - Thanks! (Enikk)


 * It might be that this individual is only notable -- in Wikipedia terms -- as a brief part of the article about Mr. Hinn, and you may want to consider that possibility. Accounting4Taste: talk 17:40, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice, I have read the notablity section and I feel he is notable for his contributions to the various movements. I will get additional sources to support his notability. (Enikk) Can I delete the delete message on this page? Can I continue editting it? (Enikk)

I expect it should have been on your own talk page anyway, which is where you should use 'helpme'. This page is really for discussing the article itself with others. So, feel free to remove all of this. Maybe you want to copy it, and paste it onto your own talk page or something. (Struck out, because I've moved it all now  Chzz  ►  19:03, 25 August 2009 (UTC))


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 * Best wishes,  Chzz  ►  18:37, 25 August 2009 (UTC)


 * No you cannot. Please add a reason for the hangon on this article's talk page. Most likey if this is deleted ask the admin who delted to userfy it. -- The New  Mikemoral  ♪♫ 18:38, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Anybody may continue to edit the article but if you created this article then you should not remove the deletion message yourself. If this article had references from reliable third-party sources where Dr. Nunes was the primary subject, it would not be subject to speedy deletion. - Dravecky (talk) 18:40, 25 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I see lots of confusion here. My response above, saying 'yes, you can remove stuff' was in relation to the stuff on the talk page Talk:Winston I. Nunes - which I have now moved here.


 * The others were responding regarding the article itself, Winston I. Nunes, and the current 'PROD' (proposed deletion) tag. Whilst anyone can remove those you should not, until you have fixed the problems. At the moment, it does not meet the general notability guidelines, which says that a subject needs significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. That carefully-worded phrase explains quite a lot;


 * Significant coverage - such as, a number of news articles about the article topic - not passing mentions


 * Reliable sources - well, this is defined in some detail in WP:RS, but the essence of it is - something that is generally trusted - such as the BBC, CNN, The New York Times. Books are good, too. Blog-sites are rarely reliable.


 * Independent - we don't use primary sources, such as the persons own website, or their publishers/labels website, or anything like that. We avoid press-releases. We want secondary coverage - other people independently writing about the subject.


 * The references presently in the article do not meet these requirements. Looking on the internet, I am unable to find any appropriate sources, and therefore I think it will be difficult to establish notability. I'm sorry. If the information cannot be verified by the reader (by checking the sources), then it is not appropriate for inclusion.


 * There is another important point to note here though, and that is, you can work on articles in your own user space. I have just copied the article to user:Enikk/Winston I. Nunes. That can stay there forever; it is not in the live area. You can edit it, improve it, ask for help with it, etc. If, eventually, you are able to add suitable references (as I have described), then it could be copied back to the 'live' area.


 * I suggest that you consider working on some other existing articles - perhaps something of interest. I will add some general help below.


 * Out of all this information, the single best advice is, talk to us live, with this or this, to get help at any time. Best wishes,  Chzz  ►  19:03, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Welcome and introduction
Hi, Enikk. This is NOT some automated message...it's from a real person. You can talk to me right now. Welcome to Wikipedia! I noticed you've just joined, and wanted to give you a few tips to get you started. If you have any questions, please talk to us. The tips below should help you to get started. Best of luck!  Chzz  ►  19:03, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Help request re. Winston I. Nunes
Ref. Winston I. Nunes

'''Note: This help request was posted on Talk:Winston I. Nunes, but I have moved it here, to the users talk page. '''Please use the helpme template here, on your talk page, and not on the article talk page. Thanks.  Chzz ''' ►  17:12, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

helpmeI have been working on this page and think that this man is notable due to his relation to Benny Hinn and with his involvement in the Latter rain movement. However, his name does not yield many hits on the internet. My grandfather was give an ultimatum by the superintendant of the Assemblies of God in Canada in '62 to leave the church which he was an elder or they would fire the pastor, after hearing that he had attended one of Winston Nunes meeting. I am not sure whether they feared loosing members to Nunes or there was prejudism involved, Nunes being a malato gentleman from Trinadad. The latter rain movement was so quickly extinguished by the AG that it has remained hiden in the dark these many years. In any case, If anyone can look at this page and see if it merrits being saved I would appreciate it. Or if there is 3rd party reference matterial out there that I do not know of on Nunes. --Enikk (talk) 17:06, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It would be worth asking at the Humanities Reference desk. Many people there have access to journals etc. that others don't and are great at ferreting out information. Fribbler (talk) 18:12, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the note on my talk page. I know that Wikipedia can be confusing and difficult at first; please stick with it. Ask for help any time. Cheers,  Chzz  ►  18:39, 29 August 2009 (UTC)