User talk:Enlighten777

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Cass Warner (December 14)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by KylieTastic was:

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.


 * If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Cass Warner and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
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KylieTastic (talk) 19:41, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Managing a conflict of interest
Hello, WarnerInfo. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on the page Draft:Cass Warner, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:


 * avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, colleagues, company, organization or competitors;
 * propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (you can use the request edit template);
 * disclose your conflict of interest when discussing affected articles (see Conflict of interest);
 * avoid linking to your organization's website in other articles (see Spam);
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In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Paid-contribution disclosure.

Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. KylieTastic (talk) 19:42, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Biography submission denied
Please help me with... My Biography submission on Cass Warner was denied. I followed all of the guidelines, can someone assist me with this? It was denied within a couple of hours, I thought it took months to review? WarnerInfo (talk) 15:37, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello. While they can take up to 2 months, the queue is mainly reviewed at either end. That is, clear-cut ones (approve or disapprove) are swept by some reviewers as they are added, and non clearcut ones are reviewed at the end.
 * This was was rapidly declined because all the sources (functionally just two - Dream Factory and WSO) are non-independent, with the strongest possible links towards the subject. As such, they can't help prove notability. A source needs to be all of "independent, reliable, secondary, in-depth" to show notability. Nosebagbear (talk) 16:08, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I should note there is also promotional phrasing that should be removed, such as pointing readers towards Amazon and lines like "These interviews are forming an inspirational library for her non-profit," - inspirational, here, is a non-objective judgement call and so shouldn't be said in Wikipedia's voice. Nosebagbear (talk)

December 2021
Welcome to Wikipedia. I noticed that your username, "WarnerInfo", may not meet Wikipedia's username policy because it looks like a 'role account', implying shared use. If you believe that your username does not violate our policy, please leave a note here explaining why. As an alternative, you may ask for a change of username by completing the form at Special:GlobalRenameRequest, or you may simply create a new account for editing. Thank you.  — jmcgnh (talk) (contribs) 16:17, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

 Your account has been blocked indefinitely from editing because of the following problems: the account has been used for advertising or promotion, which is contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia, and your username indicates that the account represents a business, organisation, group, or web site, which is against the username policy.

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Request Username Change

 * Username changed and block rationale updated to remove the username policy violation mention. Please address the remainder of the block reason and review this guide before filing another unblock request. -- The SandDoctor Talk 07:40, 18 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Hey, Enlighten77. I'd like to discuss how we assess notability, which is the crucial question that must be answered before we can have an article about a subject: is the subject notable? We need to see multiple non-affiliated reliable sources discussing a subject at length. Warner's books, documentaries, websites, etc., cannot be used to prove her notability. They're all affiliated sources.
 * Is your interest in editing limited to creating articles about the Warners? —valereee (talk) 14:57, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Is your interest in editing limited to creating articles about the Warners? —valereee (talk) 14:57, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

discussion of reliable sources

 * Hello, Thank you for your questions! As far as notability goes, I understand what you are saying, and will add this to your question: I do have articles from multiple film festivals and Hollywood-based articles that have interviewed Cass Warner stating information that would back up the biography I created. Since these articles aren't directly created by the Warners, they would work as more solid, non-affiliated sources.
 * To answer your second question, my interest was mostly in The Warner Family, but won't be subjected to just that. The "Golden Age" of Hollywood is my broad interest and would be most enjoyable to edit and provide knowledge on that fascinating time in history. Enlighten777 (talk) 17:30, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
 * So, to take a look at those sources.
 * The bio for the Polish Film Festival LA -- such things are self-provided, so not a Reliable Source for anything other than what we'd use from other self-sources such as her website. Date of birth, where educated and raised, parents' names, etc. Not usable for proving notability.
 * Speakers Bureau announcemnt: clearly an affiliated source. Not usable for proving notability.
 * Interview: we consider information from interviews to be self-sourced. Not usable for proving notability.
 * Interview, ditto.
 * Maybe usable for supporting claims of notability, although it looks pretty iffy to me. The organization's mission statement says it "supports the vital work of documentary storytellers and champions a thriving and inclusive documentary culture."
 * Generally you need three instances of significant coverage in independent reliable sources. If you had two great ones -- a feature article in the NYT and one in Variety, something like that -- you might be able to use #5 to get her over the hump. But if those five are your best sources, she simply isn't notable. —valereee (talk) 17:51, 4 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello, Great, thank you for this information. It helps me a lot! I will continue to look for more notable sources. My next question is, once I find these sources and post accordingly, will I be unblocked? I am curious on how that process works. Enlighten777 (talk) 17:37, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 * The block and the quality of sources are unrelated. The block was for the promotional username, complicated by the fact you were creating an article about someone who doesn't appear to be notable by WP standards and who was connected to that account name; that is, the Warners.
 * You don't have to find sources to get unblocked, you just have to convince the WP community that you aren't here to promote or advertise the Warners.
 * What we'd at minimum ask is:
 * That you not edit directly on any article where you have a conflict of interest. You could continue to work on the draft and try to add sources, but when you thought it was ready, you'd need to submit it through WP:AfC, and if it did get moved from draft to article space by another editor, you would have to completely stop working on it directly but instead make edit requests, which you can read about at WP:Edit Requests.
 * That you disclose on your user page your conflict of interest. There are instructions at WP:COI. If you are an employee, friend, or family member of the Warners, you have a COI. If you are simply a passionate fan, you should disclose. (And if you are an employee, friend, or family member, you should also direct the Warners to the warnings at An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing, just out of kindness. No article subject has any control over the article about them. It's not a social media site where you can just show all the good stuff and leave out the messy bits.)
 * Do those two things sound like something you'd be able to agree to? valereee (talk) 18:22, 12 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello, I apologize for the delay, it has been an interesting start to the year 2022. But yes, of course those are two things I can agree to. I believe I already pleaded my case with words of understanding and how I am simply a passionate fan. I know it was my username that threw everyone off and now I have had that changed. Is there anything else I can do to move this unblocking along? I look forward to this block being removed and enjoying Wikipedia via the rules and regulations. Thank you again for your time! Enlighten777 (talk) 17:43, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
 * @Bbb23, @TheSandDoctor, do you have any objections to unblocking this user so they can show us they're here to build an encyclopedia? valereee (talk) 18:10, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I have no objection, but this isn't my block either. ? -- The SandDoctor Talk 20:23, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
 * @TheSandDoctor, it looks like you changed the settings a few days after Bbb blocked, so I didn't like not pinging you! :) valereee (talk) 20:39, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
 * If you think the user will be an asset, go ahead. Thanks for the ping.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:32, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see. Yeah, I updated it to remove the UPOL vio as that wasn't relevant anymore. I wasn't the issuer of the block. Bbb23 approved so go ahead. -- The SandDoctor Talk 23:39, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Hoping, at any rate. Thanks, both! valereee (talk) 17:38, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Unblocked
Okay, I've unblocked. Please post the COI disclosure on your user page. You may continue to edit drafts about the Warners, and when feel you've got the draft to the point it is publishable (at minimum, when it is supported by three instances of significant coverage in reliable sources) you can submit it through AfC. After that you'd need to make edits to those articles via edit request. WP:Teahouse is a great place to ask questions, and feel free to also ask at my user talk. valereee (talk) 17:46, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

I apologize for the delay, but would like to send many many thanks in getting my page unblocked! I genuinely appreciate all that you did and also your continued support with where I take it from here. Once things slow down, I will be back at the draft I am working on and will absolutely rely on the resources you gave me. Well wishes to you! Thanks again!! Enlighten777 (talk) 22:51, 28 February 2022 (UTC)


 * No worries! Don't forget about the disclosure statement on your user page at User:Enlighten777 before you do anything else. (LMK if you need help with that.) Best to you! valereee (talk) 14:44, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello again! Yes, I would love some guidance on the disclosure statement and where to start! I have some extra time this week, so I'll be a bit more present on this endeavour! Enlighten777 (talk) 20:36, 8 March 2022 (UTC)


 * I've added the disclosure statement. valereee (talk) 16:24, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello again! Would this work as a disclosure statement? I am doing my best here and appreciate your time and advice! If I have completely missed the mark, please let me know that too.

"Hello, this is an account that I have set up to create potential and uncontroversial Wikipedia pages on subjects related to The Warner Family. For example, Cass Warner, who I noticed does not yet have a Wikipedia page. I also intend to suggest changes and possibly make small edits to articles related to The Warner Family. I am in no way affiliated with this family, I am simply an enthusiast on the golden era in Hollywood and have an interest for all this family has done (and continues to do) throughout history. I am aware that there are guidelines about editing pages if there is a potential conflict of interest, so I would like to disclose here that these contributions are made on behalf of my thorough research and college education. I intend to follow all of Wikipedia's guidelines very closely. If you would like to help me, please let me know!"