User talk:Enlil Ninlil/Archive 2

Australian aboriginal languages
Perhaps this will help, but be careful about the info in it. It's far from done, and also is taken straight from Ethnologue. I'd like to get it presentable before putting it anywhere..

Actually, the other person and I are duplicating our effort... we should work together.. perhaps I'll contact that person too:


 * User:Ling.Nut/SandBox

later --Ling.Nut 04:50, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikiproject endangered languages (and language revitalization)
Hi Enlil Ninlil,

Thanks for your support of the nascent WikiProject endangered languages. I'm thinking of a startup date sometime near Christmas. It could be sooner, but I'll be busy until then.

I'm also thinking of attaching "and language revitalization" to the project. In an ideal world, there should be two projects: "WikiProject Endangered languages" and "WikiProject Language revitalization." However, I just don't believe there are enough committed contributors to support the latter topic as a free-standing project.

Your comments (positive and negative) are always sincerely welcomed: on this page, on my talk page, on the talk page of the "WikiProject" (which is still merely a userfied sandbox) -- wherever you think is most appropriate. Cheers--Ling.Nut 14:08, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Kanab Ambersnail
This article is the 1.5 millionth on Wikipedia. As you are a member of the WikiProject Gastropods, would you mind collaborating on the article's improvement? Thanks. -- Zanimum 19:03, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Melbourne meetup in planning
Hello, you've indicated that you're interested in future Meetups in Melbourne on this list, so I'm giving you this message to remind you that Melbounre meetup number four is currently in planning. If you haven't already, please go to Meetup/Melbourne to suggest possible dates, times and locations. Thanks --Michael Billington (talk • contribs) 02:51, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Coin image box template
Here are 2 templates that you might be interested. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 17:05, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Coin image box 2 singles
 * Coin image box 1 double

Please proof read your own edit!
Yes, we all make mistakes, but something is very easy to catch, if you just pay some more attention! For examples, your edit to Vietnamese đồng, the infobox attribute you add was "inage_title_2", and as a result, there is no caption. And your edit to Indonesian rupiah, it's ok to not put the spec if it is unknown, but why is there an extra ` after so many "?g"

Please.... preview and verify. It's not hard. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 19:54, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * And the Vietnamese đồng image in the infobox is clearly 500 đồng not 200 đồng!!! --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 19:56, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Melbourne meetup
Greetings, person who is listed as being interested in future meetups in Melbourne. The fourth meetup will be held on 18 December, at Lower House in Fed Square (in the Alfred Deaking building, Flinders Street end near the Atrium: map), starting from 7pm. We don't currently have a separate location for discussion beforehand, but there'll be plenty of time to talk wiki over dinner. --bainer (talk) 14:55, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Enlil Ninlil
Hello,

On the wikiproject macau, I would like to join and make the userbox for the wikiproject.

 Jack  lau  96 ’’ (Talk)  09:19, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

And, please change the page's name to Wikiproject Macau -- Jack  lau  96 ’’ (Talk)  09:56, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

WP:Mu
Please add this userbox to your userpage. User WPMU --Jacklau96 05:07, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Endangered languages
Hello Enlil Ninlil,

Well the Holidays are winding down. I'm cutting back/quitting my participation in other projects in order to concentrate on WikiProject Endangered languages (temporarily at User:Ling.Nut/ELLR). I'm going to move the main page out of my userspace and into Wikipedia space very soon; probably within the next day or so.

The project is looking pretty bare-bones at present, but I think that it's best to launch it "warts and all" rather than to wait for it to be perfect (since nothing can ever be perfect).

Any and all help, comments, thoughts, etc. would be appreciated. As a WikiProject in Wikispace, it belongs to Wikipedia. I strongly invite and encourage any and all improvements that you see that you could offer.

Most of all, let's get the WikiProject trappings squared away so we can focus on the articles!

Best Regards, --Ling.Nut 21:45, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Citation
Yeah, that was good, just trying to get inline refs when new info pops up, incase it ever goes for GA or FA. :)  Jo  e  I  05:31, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Extra Citation?

 * Hi there, just finished doing the rest of the Comm. 50 cent peices; Fifty cent coin (Australian). I was wondering if u could enter the mintage numbers like before. Also what other magical stats have u got in that book of yours? Say if i were to make a table showing a 50cent peice from every year do you have the numbers of how many were minted in each year? IAmTheCoinMan 16:03, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Hyderabad rupee
Hi,

Could you quickly explain why there's a contradiction on Hyderabad rupee on the talk page? Please don't get me wrong. I'd love to eradicate contradiction too. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 14:58, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

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Indian coingae
South Asia is a recent term used generally in political context. Its usage for historical articles in plain wrong. I believe you are confusing between India and Republic of India. The regions you mention (Eastern Afghanistan, Pakistan...) have been historically a part of India. Sri Lanka has been in Indian cultural sphere i blieve.... Amey Aryan DaBrood&#169; 05:08, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Hindi version of wikitravel
I saw a conversation from the pub archives in wikitravel, and it seems that you wanted to start a Hindi and Arabic wikitravel. Well, there is a Hindi wikitravel expedition, so you might like to sign up. Here... wikitravel:shared:Hindi Wikitravel Expedition —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Upamanyuwiki (talk • contribs) 15:10, 18 March 2007 (UTC).

Fishes
There is a new proposal on naming conventions for fish being discussed at WikiProject Fishes. As a member of said project your feedback would be appreciated at the WikiProject Fishes talk page here. Cheers, David. MidgleyDJ 07:00, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Fifth Melbourne meetup
The fifth meetup of Melbourne Wikipedians is being planned as a breakfast meeting in the city with Jimbo Wales (at a venue to be arranged) on Friday, 27 April 2007.

Jimbo has proposed breakfast as the one real window of opportunity during his tightly scheduled stay in Melbourne. Tbe precise time has to be sorted out with Jimbo, but the arrangements for the equivalent Adelaide meetup a few days before may give a good idea.

Feel free to edit the relevant page in any way that might be helpful. I feel like a bit of an interloper, not having attended previous meetups. If there's anything you can do to help, I'll be grateful. Please think about whether you'll be able to make it, assuming the arrangements are similar to those Adelaide is adopting (i.e. a block of time with people being fairly free to arrive when it suits them). Some indication on the page of your possible participation would be really helpful. Metamagician3000 06:20, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

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Icelandic language
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Melbourne meetup 6
Hi. This is a reminder to people on the Melbourne meetup participation list that the next meetup has been arranged for 19 June. Could you indicate on the meetup page your likely attendence, or otherwise. Regards. - Cuddy Wifter 23:15, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

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Vietnam WikiProject
I am told you might be interested in a separate WikiProject for Vietnam, like WikiProject Southeast Asia, I have posted the proposal at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Proposals#Vietnam_WikiProject Chris 04:18, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * There is one on Cambodia, fairly new, at WikiProject Cambodia! Cheers, Chris 08:11, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

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Reply in good faith to Ninlil from Srirangam99

 * Dear Ninhil, I thank you very much for intervening... at least this much is accepted by a neutral arbitrator that in case two authors differ in their versions, both versions must be allowed to be retained. Since you wanted specific instances, in the book named Ancient India (1956) by K.A.N.Sastri, he has stated clearly while describing Rajendra Chola I that among the list of conquests (at one point he stated clearly thus:) 'next was the turn Satyasraya who was defeated and banished out of his capital'.  This can be contrasted with the statement in this Article that Satyasraya was able to control Chola aggression basing his contention on material from author Suryanath Kamath, without commenting on the accuracy of Suryanath Kamath's version, I accept your verdict that both versions should be allowed to be retained.  Dinesh is also erring badly when he writes subsequently in this article about Jayasimha also fighting hard with the Cholas (in fact Rajendra Chola ruled during the time of Satyasraya as well as Jayasimha and has claimed to defeat both) and also goes on to add that both sides lost and won but both K.A.N.Sastri and Rajendra's inscriptions at the Tanjore temple (courtesy the summary of Prof. Huntzsch, noted epigraphist appointed by the Archaelogical Survey of India, a body of the Ministry of Human Resource Development, Govt. of India, whose finds are given in detail at inscriptions.whatsindia.com/ - a site despised unnecessarily by Dinesh Kannambadi as a POV site because its findings go against 'historical events and their conclusions' of his liking) state that he emulated his father in winning the 'seven and a half lakshas of Rattapadi' and where Prof. Huntzsch has clearly arrived at the conclusion (after reading Chola inscriptions from the times of Raja Raja Chola because it was from his time onwards that there were several wars between the Cholas and Chalukyas) that winning seven and a half lakshas of Rattapadi meant winning the war and levying tribute on the losing Chalukya king.  Satyasraya lost twice, once to Raja Raja Chola when the Chola army was led by his son Rajendra and once to Rajendra, who also went on to defeat Satyasraya's successor Jayasimha II and Prof. Huntzsch once again attests the expression by Rajendra Chola I in the inscription at the Tanjore temple, a World Heritage site ': "the seven and a half lakshas of Iratta-padi, (which was) strong by nature, (through the conquest of which) immeasurable fame arose,[7] (and which he took from) Jayasimha, who, out of fear (and) full of vengeance, turned his back at Muyangi and hid himself", as the Chola once again winning the war (this time it was over Vengi with the Chola army first routing the Chalukyas near Rajahmundry and subsequently at Masangi (called Muyangi in the Chola inscriptions in Tamil langauge), causing their king Jayasimha to banish and then levying tribute on the defeated Chalukya.' These have been attested by both K.A.N.Sastri and R.C.Roychowdhuri in their two books of the same name i.e. Ancient India.

To repeat the above, the author R.C.Roychowdhuri in his book Ancient India borrows heavily by quoting extensively from K.A.N.Sastri - this unfortunately, goes against the thinking of user Kannambadi who is repeating blindly that I have no sources - I can assure you certainly I can read and write. It is very poor in taste, the expression of Dinesh Kannambadi who has gone on to justify my previous blocking, as is evident on my talk page dear Ninhil, this was done by user Blinguen an admin probably, who barged into my talk page and blocked me without giving any reason the second time i.e. he violated two rules of Wikipedia which are being advocated by Dinesh Kannambadi and another clique at work in wikipedia, first they ask people like us, who draw from sources and post at times historical events which are not palatable to them, that we should first post on the discussion page, but in my case I was straight away blocked on the first occasion by user Blinguen who certainly did not discuss with me on the article discussion page nor did he discuss the topic itself with me. The second time Blinguen entered my talk page, left a comment that he did not like what I wrote for he thought what I wrote was a personal commentary (when in actuality, it was a summary of Chola historty from which I drew from Prof. Huntzsch's summary from inscriptions.whatsindia.com/ but had made the mistake (I am not shy of admitting I make mistakes) of not posting the source, but before I realized and re-entered the Chola page, I found first that I was not able to edit and found to my horror that Blinguen has arrived at a certain conclusion and blocked me without giving me a chance to explain, discuss or argue with me on the concerned topic and its contents, just as Dinesh Kannambadi is trying to do now by painting anyone whose findings he doesn't like, in black.

Mr.Kannambadi has repeatedly contested two points unnecessarily in my view: First in the page on the Western Chalukya dynasty he has himself contributed as agreed by everyone that this dynasty came to an end by 1189/95. When one reads the article on Chola dynasty, it emerges that the last king of the Cholas Rajendra IV was defeated and we do not hear of any successor after his defeat by Pandiyans in 1279 AD which means that even though the Chola dynasty ended by 1279 (maximum 1284 as has been stated by most historians - here we are not talking about minor rulers using the title Chola in both Tamil and Telugu countries up to 1480 AD - that is the year probably 1489 when a 'Chola' king is supposed to have repaired and renovated the Jambukeswarar temple on the outskirts of Tiruchirappalli as per inscriptions found inside this temple... but we accept that the Cholas were no more after 1279/80. Sir, the basic question rises is that first Kannambadi says that both dynasties fighting each other drained themselves out, but that may be or may not, but we can see clearly that while Cholas continued (more apt to say limped after 1220 AD because by that time the Pandiyans were most powerful and had sent out the Hoysalas out of Kannanur Kuppam by 1260/68) up to 1279, the last valiant king of the Chalukyas was Someshwara IV who regained his empire somewhat from the Kalachuris in 1183 but he too was not heard off atleast after 1190 (maximum 1195) so 1195 and 1279 are years separated by nearly eight and a half decades. Then why should the demise of the Cholas be mentioned in the page of a dynasty that went into oblivion 84 years earlier? You may judge for yourself. When I mention this point he talks about sources as if no one has any proof on this. Sir, to make the point straight, no historian disagrees that the Chalukyas were no more after 1190 or 1195 and the Cholas were not heard of after 1279/84. Yet Mr.Kannambadi wants proof. If he cannot believe that the Chalukyas did not demise by 1195 then in which year did this dynasty end... if at all he found this contention unacceptable why did he not challenge it? I too have never claimed that Chola dynasty lasted beyond 1279 or 1284, but only that because it demised LATER, the same never merited mention in the Chalukya page that too the expression that the territories of the Cholas were taken over by the Pandyas. Sir, they were, but why mention it in the page of a dynasty that demised 84 years earlier? Comic, it seems, doesn't? That too, in a page which has been (I don't know by which enlightened brain) graded as FA category article.

Second, Mr.Kannambadi has interfered with actual history in the Chola dynasty page, by repeatedly seeking to retain the expression that the Chola power waned and finally demised due to the Pandiyans and Hoysalas. Sir the Chola power waned and it was consumed finally by the Pandiyans, but not the Hoysalas. Because the said expression (that the Chola dynasty demised due to growing power of Hoysalas and Pandiyans) is completely wrong and misplaced, because in the first place, histrory is witness to the fact, that the Hoysalas and the Cholas DIRECTLY fought only one war, i.e. the war for Gangavadi. Subsequently, during the times of Veera Ballala II, while surely the Chola kings were not as powerful as kings like Aditya, Raja Raja, Rajendra, Veera Rajendra or even Vikrama, still Veera Ballala II, who along with his son Narasimha was defeated by the Kalachuris under Bijjana II were themselves facing strong adversaries in Kannada country and to strengthen themselves in Kannada country they simply allied through marital relations with Kulothunga III's Cholas. This helped the Cholas, though only for a limited period, to counter the growing power of the Pandiyans of Madurai. The Cholas and Hoysalas under Narasimha defeated Maravarman Sundara Pandiyan after which the Cholas also invaded and occupied Ilangai (Sri Lanka). This as again attested by Prof. Huntzsch, was the reason the king Kulothunga III of the Cholas bore the epithet or title 'the one who took the crowned head of the Pandiya (an expression used by Raja raja and Rajendra Chola I also), who took Karuvur (modern Karuvur from probably the remnants of the Adigaimans) and one who took Ilangai (he also occupied Cheranadu). This is attested by Prof. Huntzsch as well as by R.C.Roychowdhuri in his book Ancient India where it is mentioned that Kulothunga III also fought successfully against Veera Ballala II (probably this was prior to their friendship and their marital alliance). Veera Ballala II's son Narasimha was also allied to Raja Raja III (a weak Chola king) by marriage and helped him escape the clutches of the later Pallavas under Kopperinchunga.

Sir, I mentioned the above historical incidents to prove that while indeed the Hoysalas were power, probably more powerful than the Cholas, there still was no threat from them to the Cholas simply because they were related by marriage. Also, to give further justification to my contention, both the Chola and Hoysala armies fought together against common enemies, but NEVER AGAINST EACH OTHER till the end of the Chola dynasty. In fact, the Pandiyan King Jatavarman Sundara Pandiyan is supposed to have defeated a combined army of Hoysala Someshwara, his son Ramanatha both of whom were based at Kannanur Kuppam and their allies the Cholas in a war outside Tiruchy in Kannanur Kuppam itself, in which Hoysala Someshwara was killed. This is attested by the Pandiyan king's inscription at the Ranganatha Temple at Srirangam and the summary of Prof. Huntzsch and his successor epigraphist Dr. Vijay Reddy (appointed subsequent to Prof. Huntzsch), with the Pandiyan king anointing his son Jatavarman Vira Pandiya as lord of the Konkana rajya ceded by the Hoysalas to the Pandiyas. (Yet, Dinesh Kannambadi mentions in the page on Veera Ballala II that because he was related maritally to Kulothunga III he was (somehow) an overlord of the Cholas (when he had formidable adversaries in Kalachuris and Seunas in the Kannada country itself, to make him desist from venturing in wars outside of his territories) and is resisting my reasoning as above and not removing the said portion of text from that page).

Sir, ALL THE ABOVE EPISODES prove that it was the Pandiyans who were the supreme power in Tamizhagam and not the Hoysalas (who were only allies of the Cholas) and thus, the Hoysalas could not have caused the demise of the Chola dynasty.

You can judge for yourself and match the same with the mentioning and contentions of Dinesh Kannambadi.

Not just this, Mr.Kannambadi has also been guilty of misconduct to other contributors in different fields in wikipedia earlier also for which he has been warned, it is he who has been warned while because he felt like retaliating on some unsuspecting, people like him, user Earth, KNM etc. complain to willing admins who block people like me without assigning any reason. Here is the example of what happened between Dinesh Kannambadi and another contributor in the music section and here are the exchanges from dinesh kannambadi's on talk page archives (No.16):

You may judge for yourself from what is sourced below to draw your own conclusion:

Please remember to assume good faith when dealing with other editors. The templates are valid, and you are welcome to ask an administrator if you feel otherwise. Ncmvocalist (talk) 01:31, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

I have been contacted by the editor above, who expressed concerns over your recent conduct. The tags on the Vijayanagara musicological nonet page can reasonably be seen as being appropriate, as neither of the online sources provided is necessarily demonstrably a reliable source as per WP:RS. I personally am not sure exactly what the Sangeet Natak Journal is, which is the place of publication of the first source. It may or may not qualify as a reliable source. '''The second source demonstrates absolutely no credability whatsoever, as it was never seemingly published anywhere except online. Sources which have never been published within a peer-reviewed journal are currently very dubious sources. Also, unfortunately, your placement of banners on User:Ncmvocalist's talk page in retaliation for his valid complaints to you about removing the templates without prior discussion to establish that they were not appropriate could reasonably be seen as being potentially a violation of WP:HARASS. Violation of that behavioral guideline, as per that page, can be seen as being just cause for blocking in and of itself. If you honestly believe that the templates are not appropriate, then it is incumbent upon you to demonstrate that the sources are sufficient as per WP:RS, preferably on the talk page. As per that editor's request, I have examined the cause of this current situation and find that your warnings to him are, basically, completely unjustified.''' As per that editor's request, I am removing them from his talk page. This is not necessarily an endorsement of his behavior in general, simply an indication that he has done nothing in this matter which even remotely indicates that he should be issued any sort of warning whatsoever. If you honestly believe that this behavior is somehow related to some earlier or other misconduct of the editor in question, then I very sincerely urge you to report that misconduct in the appropriate place. However, based on the actions of the both of you as I have reviewed them, that editor has done nothing whatsoever which would indicate that he requires any warning for misconduct. John Carter (talk) 01:56, 26 February 2008 (UTC) Your concerns regarding the earlier dispute may be justified. For what it is worth, simply saying that a website does not have a bad reputation is not sufficient cause for saying that it is a reliable source, as he seems to have done in that discussion. However, that does not necessarily justify your own more recent actions, although it may well cast them in a more sympathetic light. Unfortunately, we really can't use "he started it" as an excuse around here, although, as someone who has been in more than a few fights himself, I wish we could. ;)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dineshkannambadi/Archive16"

Sir, this excerpt also proves that Dinesh Kannambadi and certain friends of his on the wikipedia leave no stone unturned to harass other contributors sometimes directly, and many a times indirectly.

It is with this reason that I am restoring my changes on the Western Chalukya page, you are free to take a decision by judging yourself, in the meantime.

Thank you.

Srirangam99 (talk) 12:41, 8 October 2008 (UTC)