User talk:Enviking

Your submission at Articles for creation: Urban Greening (September 11)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by AngusWOOF was:

The comment the reviewer left was:

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.


 * If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Urban Greening and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
 * If you now believe the draft cannot meet Wikipedia's standards or do not wish to progress it further, you may request deletion. Please go to Draft:Urban Greening, click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window, add "db-self" at the top of the draft text and click the blue "publish changes" button to save this edit.
 * If you do not make any further changes to your draft, in 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
 * If you need any assistance, you can ask for help at the [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&preload=Template:Afc_decline/HD_preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=Draft:Urban_Greening Articles for creation help desk], on the [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AngusWOOF&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&preload=Template:Afc_decline/HD_preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=Draft:Urban_Greening reviewer's talk page] or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 14:04, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Draft:Urban greening concern
Hi there, I'm HasteurBot. I just wanted to let you know that Draft:Urban greening, a page you created, has not been edited in 5 months. The Articles for Creation space is not an indefinite storage location for content that is not appropriate for articlespace.

If your submission is not edited soon, it could be nominated for deletion. If you would like to attempt to save it, you will need to improve it.

You may request Userfication of the content if it meets requirements.

If the deletion has already occured, instructions on how you may be able to retrieve it are available at WP:REFUND/G13.

Thank you for your attention. HasteurBot (talk) 01:32, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Updating a broader article
Hi, so I saw your draft: I am not sure if we need a new article on that topic. We had a poorly scoped article at Open urban space, which was in fact largely focused on Urban green space, so I moved the topic -- would greatly appreciate anything to do on that article that would improve it to be better scoped/written to reflect the scholarship and what we know about the topic area. Its kindof cumbersome at the moment, and could really use some attention for cleanup and clarity. Sadads (talk) 12:42, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Urban greening


Hello, Enviking. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Urban greening".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply and remove the, , or  code.

If your submission has already been deleted by the time you get there, and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion by following the instructions at this link. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia! UnitedStatesian (talk) 23:35, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Urban Greening: Follow-Up
Hello –– in August 2019, I tried to create a Wikipedia page for the term "urban greening," clearly defined in top-ranked peer-reviewed scientific journals as, “a social practice characterized by organized or semi-organized efforts to introduce, conserve, or maintain outdoor vegetation in urban areas.” However, my draft page was rejected by a Wikipedia editor stating that there was "not sufficient content to require an article of its own, but it could be merged into the existing article at Sustainable city." Prior to submitting this page, I had difficulty creating a Wikipedia account, figuring out how to navigate the Wikipedia interface, and I was facing several work-related deadlines, so I did not argue with the Wikipedia editor's decision, even though there are numerous reasons (as described below) why it is not appropriate to merge urban greening under a Sustainable City page.

I now see that Wikipedia has published a page on "greening” that offers a poor version of the original article I submitted in 2019. So, I hope you can understand my frustration. Please note that this new Wikipedia page on “greening” is not the same as “urban greening” in several important ways:

1/ The Wikipedia page on “greening” does not explicitly focus on the  urban realm  (e.g., it references deserts and land use practices in non-urban settings). This is a significant distinction, because urban areas differ from non-urban areas in fundamental ways, including but not limited to biophysical flows such as energy, water, food, and waste; animal and plant populations; materiality and form; socio-economic demographics; political administration; and history.

2/ The Wikipedia page on “greening” refers to numerous  themes that have nothing to do with the integration of vegetation in cities,  such as “lifestyle choice,” “brand image,” “tiller forestry,” “re-usability,” “energy efficiency,” “responsible packaging and labelling,” “recycled content,” “intelligent design,” and “responsible manufacturing techniques.”

3/ Importantly, the Wikipedia page on “greening” says nothing about the  process  of urban greening. This is very important, because the process of urban greening includes a range of practices, policies, and socioeconomic considerations that have little do with the material objects and outcomes of greening. This latter point also distinguishes urban greening from concepts such as biophilic cities, ecosystem services, green infrastructure, green urbanism, nature-based solutions, and urban green space.

Regarding the Wikipedia editor’s suggestion to embed urban greening under “Sustainable city,” this is also not appropriate because “sustainable cities” includes a vast array of practices and themes that having nothing or little to do with the integration of vegetation in cities, such as transportation, housing, energy systems, solid waste management, economic development, and social equity. Moreover, sustainability is a broad aspiration that touches on virtually every dimension of urban life, whereas urban greening is a much more narrowly defined phenomenon.

I realize that Wikipedia is volunteer-driven and that there are many editors, and that this can make coordination difficult. But now that Wikipedia has posted a page on “greening” after rejecting my submission on “urban greening” a few years prior, I hope you agree that we need to find a way to resolve this matter in a reasonable and equitable manner. With all due to respect to the author(s) of the Wikipedia page on “greening,” this page lacks a clear focus and it is not well conceived or executed. I can add that I have been working professionally for two decades on the topic of urban greening, my PhD dissertation focused specifically on urban greening, and I have published numerous peer-reviewed articles in top academic journals on this topic. So, I have significant expertise on urban greening –– you are free to review my professional bio and publications at the following website: https://www.umass.edu/larp/people/theodore-eisenman

Please also see the articles at the following links confirming the definition of urban greening provided above:

https://www.fs.fed.us/nrs/pubs/jrnl/2020/nrs_2020_roman_001.pdf

https://works.bepress.com/theodore-eisenman2/47/download/

In terms of next steps, I am proposing the following:

1/ Wikipedia create a new page titled “Urban Greening.” I will happily post an updated and fully cited manuscript in the Wikipedia sandbox, and work with Wikipedia editors on revisions.

2/ Revise the Wikipedia page on “Greening” to distinguish “Urban Greening” as a distinct phenomenon from the range of topics (noted above) that have nothing to do with urban greening, and create a hyperlink on this page to the new Wikipedia page on Urban Greening.

Thank you for your time and consideration – I look forward to hearing back.

P.S. Please ensure that any response to this message goes to one of the two following email addresses: teisenman2@mac.com OR teisenman@umass.edu Enviking (talk) 08:59, 22 July 2022 (UTC)