User talk:Epanalepsis

Matthew Bourne's Swan Lake: Adding references
Hi, I notice you've recently beefed up "Matthew Bourne's Swan Lake" with some information from the DVD synopsis. May I suggest that you refer to the DVD in footnotes in the article? What you need to provide are the full title of the DVD, its place of publication, publisher and date of publication. If you know how to, you may want to use the Citation template to organize the information. If you need help with this, post a request on the article's talk page. &mdash; Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 01:22, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Chicago Theater List
Great thoughts on the whole Theater Community List concept!

I think categorization may be different with Chicago because of that Who / Where distinction. There are a great deal of resident companies in Chicago that also operate as rental houses, and the nomenclature of "Concert Halls" doesn't really apply to those spaces. What I'm using to define "resident" theater companies is companies that own or rent their own branded space, and then either rent or sublet that space to other itinerant theater companies. It's useful in that it gets back to separating the where from the who, which I agree should be the thrust of the classification. I'm very open to other suggestions for nomenclature, because I think the "Resident" classification is unclear... that's basically what I mean, though.

Also odd in the chicago classification is that 95% of the companies on the Chicago List are professional, even those operating in community centers or university grounds, in that they regularly hire professional directors, actors, playwrights and/or designers in a professional capacity. The most untidy of these to a classification system are companies like Pegasus Players (which is a professional company permanently in residence at Truman College) and several professional companies like New Leaf Theatre, Griffin, Camenae, Caffeine, and several others that produce out of Park District or Chicago Cultural Center grounds. Purely educational venues (most university & high school venues, which can also be huge) don't really interact with the professional Chicago Scene, so I'm not including them, while at schools like Northwestern University there are multiple professional companies that use their university venues for regular production. I guess what I'm saying is that "Professional" is a very loose nomenclature and welcomes a lot of passionate debate.

I could see a classification along Equity vs. Non-Equity resident companies or IATSE vs. non-IATSE venues, since those classifications are at the very least clear and legally defined, but I don't find those classifications very helpful as the basis of categorization. I think you're right in that it really needs to get back down to Where and Who, and then I think adding say a column for Union affiliations might be a useful add-on.

As far as opening up the list into a table format, that's stupendous, and will definitely require some pretty in-depth research. I would suggest, in addition to your suggestions:

Union Affiliations / Contracts (Equity, IATSE, USA) Theater Mission (or Mission Excerpt). That is a specific and common nugget of information that can be referenced, and doesn't involve paraphrasing in most cases.

Perhaps a column for shows produced per year?

That's all I can think of that would be useful information to the users of wikipedia: industry professionals, researchers, audience, and stage unions. Nickkeenan (talk) 20:47, 23 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your response, Nickkeenan!


 * Okay, I'm clearer now on what you intend by resident and itinerant. The same situation exists here as well — pretty much all of the branded spaces get leased out to small companies from time to time.


 * I think I may end up rolling my two lists of professional and non-professional stages into one list for exactly the reason you suggest: namely that the good institutional spaces are also used at times by professional companies. And, as you point out, some community companies are actually semi-pro. I have real resistance to listing absolutely every space where public performances, professional or not, may take place. During the Fringe Festival, there are performances in parking lots, clubs, tiny studio spaces, school gymnatoria, classrooms, etc. I also haven't included outdoor spaces like parks, mostly because they don't fit well into the table: no fixed seating, no clearly defined location ("south end of Withrow Park" — I dunno — is that useful? Maybe next summer it will be at the north end, or another park altogether.)


 * I'd like to be able to identify companies as union/non-union, but I don't think the info's available, short of phoning them up one by one. Canadian Actors' Equity restricts that info to members on its web site.


 * Here's a look at how I've tentatively laid out the table of theatres for now. I cribbed the idea (and the markup) from the concert halls list.


 * {|class=wikitable

! Venue ! Resident theatre companies ! Stage Room ! Seats
 * + Toronto stages used chiefly for professional productions Principal indoor/permanent/dedicated(?) theatrical performance spaces
 * Alchemy Studio Theatre 133 Tecumseth St.
 * align=right | 60
 * rowspan=2 | Alumnae Theatre 70 Berkeley St.
 * rowspan=2 | Alumnae
 * Main Stage
 * align=right | 140
 * Studio
 * align=right | 90
 * rowspan=3 | Harbourfront Centre
 * rowspan=3 |
 * Enwave Theatre 231 Queens Quay West
 * align=right | 422
 * Premiere Dance Theatre 207 Queens Quay West
 * align=right | 450
 * Studio Theatre York Quay Centre
 * align=right | 196
 * rowspan=2 | St Lawrence Centre for the Arts 27 Front St. East
 * Canadian Stage
 * Bluma Appel Theatre
 * align=right | 876
 * Toronto Operetta Theatre
 * Jane Mallett Theatre
 * align=right | 498
 * }
 * rowspan=2 | St Lawrence Centre for the Arts 27 Front St. East
 * Canadian Stage
 * Bluma Appel Theatre
 * align=right | 876
 * Toronto Operetta Theatre
 * Jane Mallett Theatre
 * align=right | 498
 * }
 * align=right | 498
 * }


 * How encompassing do you intend to make your list of companies? Improv? Theatre Sports? Stand-up? Clowning? Puppetry? Opera? Dance (some or all)? So far, I'm including all of these except dance and stand-up (Second City – yes; Yuk Yuks – no).


 * — Cheers, Epanalepsis (talk) 23:58, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Theatre of Canada
Hi Epanalepsis,

I moved "Theatre in Canada" to "Theatre of Canada" to conform to the established title format employed by other "theatre by country" articles. In looking through the existing "theatre by country" articles at the moment, all but one are called "Theatre of x", and that one I will suggest be moved to correspond with the others. It is important for the article titles to be consistent because any discrepancy would suggest to users that there is an intentional semantic difference suggested. These article titles employ the preposition "of" rather than "in" because the title "Theatre in Canada" suggests that the article is only about theatre which is performed in Canada, whereas "Theatre of Canada" recognizes that the article will also deal with Canadian theatre performed in other countries. The article title references a body of theatrical tradition and innovation rather than a geographical delimitation in which theatre happens to be performed. If you have any further questions about this or any other Wikipedia-related concern, please do not hesitate to leave me a message on my talk page.

Happy editing,

Neelix (talk) 13:50, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

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