User talk:Epicgenius/Archive/2016/Nov

1000 challenge
Producing some great articles! Can I interest you in contributing to the new WikiProject United States/The 50,000 Challenge? Will start a 1000 Challenge for New York if there is the interest. ♦ Dr. Blofeld  12:10, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Sure. I'll be happy to participate in this. epicgenius - (talk) 12:26, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

That's great. Would be good to get a contest running for the US in the new year. Something like WikiProject Africa/The Africa Destubathon would work for US and Canadian states/provinces.♦ Dr. Blofeld  12:29, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Cool. Maybe I'll join it, if I have free time. epicgenius - (talk) 12:30, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Updated Timetables
The new W train timetable is up, and it explicitly mentions the trains to and from 86th Street. The new R train timetable is also up. No Q yet. I don't know how to fix the NYCT CONST template.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 22:21, 3 November 2016 (UTC) They just literally updated the Q.
 * I fixed it. Also, the N will be updated soon if it hasn't already, so I fixed that too. epicgenius - (talk) 00:06, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't know about the W timetable. It still lists the Q train as a possible transfer in 49th Street, and still shows the R train as only running part-time to Whitehall St. epicgenius - (talk) 00:08, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

R train late nights
I am not going to undo everything you just did, but it starts on November 5.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 18:05, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Oops. Well, then, I don't think we need to undo it, because we'll have to un-undo it within a day. If we make too many edits to the pages, it will overload the Wikipedia server. So I think we should leave it for now. epicgenius - (talk) 18:23, 4 November 2016 (UTC)


 * It is ok. We might as well do all of them now. I was about to change the List of the NYC Subway services page.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 20:01, 4 November 2016 (UTC)


 * I finished updating everything. All of the articles, except New York City Subway (and New York City Subway) have been updated, are or in the process of doing so. epicgenius - (talk) 20:17, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

W Line
I need help with the W line page, could you check it over? I have no clue how to leave discounitnued and reinstated in the W box so I just removed the discountied section from the main box. 71.167.191.16 (talk) 00:57, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I fixed it. Thanks for the notification. epicgenius - (talk) 21:54, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

Platform lengths
Only East Rail + East Tsim Sha Tsui are 12-car (~260m). DRL (and SIL?) are ~90m, future NSC platforms are ~200m, all others are ~180m. Jc86035 (talk) Use &#123;&#123;re&#124;Jc86035&#125;&#125; to reply to me 04:26, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for telling me about that. I guess 1 box of platform equals 65m in real life. I guess we should start trimming down the DRL and SIL (E) platforms to 2 lines each. epicgenius - (talk) 21:54, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

S-line
Is there really a need to have two Kwun Tong Line S-line rows for most of the stations in the middle of the Kwun Tong Line (Mong Kok/Yau Ma Tei to Kwun Tong)? Except Yau Ma Tei, all the adjacent stations are the same. Jc86035 (talk) Use &#123;&#123;re&#124;Jc86035&#125;&#125; to reply to me 09:32, 3 November 2016 (UTC) to reply to me 04:39, 5 November 2016 (UTC) to reply to me 05:35, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't even thing Yau Ma Tei needs it either. The "former service" S-line entries as I see in most UK stations articles are only added when that former service was not simply extended to form another existing service but has a large pprtion of the alignment changed. In this case, It's acceptable to denote the Eastern Habour Tunnel realignment of Kwun Ting Line in the S-line templates in Lam Tin, Quarry Bay and North Point stations (c.f. Holborn tube station) but not the other stations. Modified Initial System is another story in which I am neutral whether we add the former service S-line entry or not. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk · contri.) 10:30, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
 * The reason I added these extra s-lines is because neither of the terminals are the same. The old line is from Yau Ma Tei to North Point. The new line is from Whampoa to Tiu Keng Leng, which is an almost completely different alignment at the east end and an extension of service at the west end (compared to the pre-2002 line). -- epicgenius - (talk) 13:53, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I still think it's best to remove if all adjacent stations are the same. If you had this for, say, the West Coast Main Line, if the line was extended by one station at both ends would you add another row for every station? (Akc1902, for some reason, has removed your additions but added superfluous NIL/EWC templates anyway.) Jc86035 (talk) Use &#123;&#123;re&#124;Jc86035&#125;&#125;
 * I concur with Jc. Those intermediate stations should get rid of the former service because they are less relevant to and just clutter the article when there are already so many infobox templates (basic info, S-line, track layout RDT and platform/floor layout). -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk · contri.) 17:03, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
 * OK, so if my additions have been reverted, do I do anything? Or do I just not make this mistake in the future? epicgenius - (talk) 22:08, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Probably the latter; it's not really a big deal Jc86035 (talk) Use &#123;&#123;re&#124;Jc86035&#125;&#125;

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Yes California
Per WP:CITEVAR, please don't unilaterally change citation styles in articles, as you did at Yes California. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:31, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Please consider why exactly I changed it. The reason is because sfn is another link you don't need to click, if you can just go to the reference directly, as the footnotes do after my edit. Thanks. epicgenius – (talk) 21:44, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
 * We all have our opinions. For example, consider how difficult it is to edit the text when interspersed with the full citations.  Regardless, please read WP:CITEVAR. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:47, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the explanation. Regarding CITEVAR, using list-defined references can also help solve the problem. epicgenius – (talk) 22:06, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
 * As an article grows, the cites get more and more unwieldy, especially when it starts to mix print and web sources. Set up the article with s from the start and it saves headaches in the long run.  It's best to keep the long-form cites in one place (and alphabetized), rather than some in one section and others in another based on arbitrary criteria. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:20, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biographies
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Renaming "AutoWikiBrowser script" to "Javascript Wiki Browser"
Hey there, I've renamed my AWB-based script to JWB (Javascript Wiki Browser) as per this request by Reedy. I just wanted to let you know, since you made the script to open it from the toolbar. The way I handled the moving of the settings pages is as follows:

I made every import of  use the user's   page, and every import of the new name's location, , uses the user's   page. Since your toolbar button loads the script by its old name, could you perhaps make a duplicate page at  which would use the updated load script, so that anyone installing your script now will use the updated name?

Alternatively, I could also make the toolbar link a default feature in my script, which would remove the need for your separate script, but I'll only do that if you're okay with it. Joeytje50 (talk) 04:43, 14 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you for telling me. I renamed my script from User:Epicgenius/AWB script toolbar.js to User:Epicgenius/JWB script toolbar.js. I'm okay with you integrating the toolbar link in your script, since I only did that as a work-around so I didn't have to type in the entire script name every time I wanted to run JWB script. epicgenius (talk) 13:22, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Okay, I've just added it to my User:Joeytje50/JWB.js/load.js. If you want you could remove that part of the code from your script (to prevent duplicate links). I've also credited you in a  on there for the idea.Joeytje50 (talk) 13:38, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I appreciate it (and I'm sure so do other users using your script). I'll redirect my script to yours shortly. epicgenius (talk) 13:44, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

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WikiProject Chinese in New York City
Hi Epcigenius, hope you're doing well. Have you had a chance to approach synthesizing this? Best, Castncoot (talk) 01:48, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, actually. I have thought about putting the Wikiproject Chinese in NYC banner on these pages that we categorized. I am going to have to do this tomorrow, though, since it's so late right now. epicgenius - (talk) 05:19, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Wonderful, thank you! Best, Castncoot (talk) 17:09, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi Epicgenius, hope you're doing well. Just wanted to follow up with you on this. Would it be possible for you to create this in the next few days? Best, Castncoot (talk) 01:23, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah, sure. I'll create a banner. I forgot where I put it. After I do my homework I'll definitely create it, and no more putting off the banner this time. epicgenius (talk) 01:36, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Sounds great, thank you! Best, Castncoot (talk) 14:02, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi Epic. Just a thought - if you get the banner done today, you can get it over with before the bustle of the workweek. And really, it doesn't have to be perfected today, but rather merely a starting point which I'm sure will lead to further creative evolution. Again, just an observation. Certainly I respect your busy schedule. Best, Castncoot (talk) 14:26, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a good plan. I'm going to do that after my real-life work. Thanks, epicgenius (talk) 21:11, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi Epicgenius, hope you're doing well. Just wondering what the status is regarding the banner. Do you need the help of other editors or do you feel comfortable creating a banner yourself? As you know, I created the Category:Chinatowns in New York City page, but I am not facile beyond that, unfortunately. Best, Castncoot (talk) 16:47, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I apologize that I haven't been able to make the banner yet. I promised to make it, and I will. However, there is just a lot of real-life work, and I probably won't have much spare time until the weekend. After that, I will create the banner and place it on the appropriate talk pages. Thanks, epicgenius (talk) 17:26, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * OK thanks, Epic. Sorry for the bother. Best, Castncoot (talk) 18:00, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

NYC Subway/Bus/commuter map
http://www.bulletmap.info/ epicgenius (talk) 03:18, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Cool. (Note to myself: Add this somewhere.) epicgenius (talk) 03:19, 19 September 2016 (UTC)




 * While we're on that topic:
 * https://www.fastcompany.com/3045892/new-york-city-subway-wireless-network
 * M23 epicgenius (talk) 03:18, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
 * http://www.amny.com/transit/nyc-subways-buses-brought-together-on-one-map-1.12477047Pictogram voting wait.svg

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Nomination for deletion of Template:Central Station (MTR)
Template:Central Station (MTR) has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Jc86035 (talk) Use &#123;&#123;re&#124;Jc86035&#125;&#125; to reply to me 13:42, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Aqueduct Racetrack (IND Rockaway Line)
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Thank you
Thank you so much for your help at Fake news website ! I especially like most of the section headers you made. I hesitate a bit because I think the article might be starting to get too many tiny sections. For example a couple of them are only a few sentences in size. What do you think? Should those sections all then be expanded? Or is there a better way ? Sagecandor (talk) 22:46, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. About these small sections: they are for readers to navigate easily from the table of contents, and also for editors to edit faster (since a smaller section takes less time to load). However, if the sections are too small, they can be merged with another section. If reliable sources exist, though, expanding the sections is also encouraged. epicgenius (talk) 22:49, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Okay sounds like you're more in favor of expanding as the best solution. I just hope future editors agree with your analysis about the value of those sections, because the titles are good and the organization for the table of contents looks great so far. Sagecandor (talk) 22:50, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. When I have time after doing homework, I'll help to expand these sections, too. Sounds like an interesting article, and again, thank you for your hard work on creating this page, . – epicgenius (talk) 22:53, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh, thank you, I didn't create the page just tried to help it along a little bit. But yeah we could use expansion on Last Week Tonight for sure. Sagecandor (talk) 22:54, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I see. I thought you created the page since you expanded it a lot (about 80,000 bytes in two weeks). epicgenius (talk) 22:56, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

FYI, you might want to undo your edit here -- please see all the complaining about lack of "criticism" of that organization, at the talk page. Let me know what you think about all that discussion back and forth lol. Sagecandor (talk) 22:56, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you! What do you think of all that talk page stuff so far? Looking more stable lately? Was it handled okay by myself and others so far ? Sagecandor (talk) 23:08, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I think the article looks good so far, and that I (as a student in a journalism class) was able to extract much from the article. If it gets too big, though, we may want to split this article into several smaller ones. epicgenius (talk) 00:57, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I was worried about that, I'd rather not do that, and I've seen much larger articles on here, but maybe someday. Sagecandor (talk) 00:59, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * The prose doesn't look like it needs to be split right now, though. So everything is OK. epicgenius (talk) 01:01, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Alright cool. I found a bit more sources. Also the wiki article here is quite good. I was surprised at the multitude of valuable information on there. Especially after coming off the talk page complaints at Fake news website, most impressive to see this other incredibly well referenced article providing info to the public. Sagecandor (talk) 01:03, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Good to see some issues being resolved. I think the article is quite useful given the topic's prominence, ironically, in recent news. epicgenius (talk) 01:42, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Nice split. Note between the chronology of those 2 sections a curious pattern -- September 2015 = Counter-Misinformation Team shut down by U.S. State Department. December 2015 = Adrian Chen notices significant uptick in propaganda sources previously interested in news about their own country, now suddenly aggressively interested in political candidate from another country. Pattern? Or maybe reflective of the ironic timing of the shutdown of the State Department initiative? Sagecandor (talk) 01:50, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Maybe it is a pattern. We'll have to do some research to find out, though. Because other fake news websites, incidentally, are reporting that this particular candidate, who is now U.S. President-elect, had connections with that country. epicgenius (talk) 01:55, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Connections with the country yeah I heard about that. I remember something about Sputnik News and they reported on something that no one else had reported on, and like hours later - oh yeah here it is:   . Not sure if Fake news website is right for that material but is it already on wiki somewhere else yet? Sagecandor (talk) 01:58, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Also different related topic, at, I don't know if I want to stray into that can of worms at a different article with that user -- but what do you think of those edits? Sagecandor (talk) 02:20, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I think that topic could possibly be related to the "fake news website" article, albeit in the sentence where the fact-checking website is explained. Maybe we can also add this fake news about presidential candidate's foreign connections (that is, if it's really is fake). epicgenius (talk) 02:56, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh now I'm confused and not sure which thingy you're referring to lol. Sagecandor (talk) 03:01, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I think that topic could possibly be related to the "fake news website" article, albeit in the sentence where the fact-checking website is explained. refers to Wash Post. The other stuff is Russia. epicgenius (talk) 03:10, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah okay there's already enough explanatory stuff there about that, hopefully at least. But the Sputnik --> regurgitated by candidate one hour later on same day has a brief mention only in Sputnik News, and no where else here on wiki. Not sure where else that could be fit in as info. Sagecandor (talk) 03:22, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't know. Probably the article on fake news articles? epicgenius (talk) 03:45, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Nominate File:Bombardier R179 Truck Build Plate.jpg for Wikimedia Commons
File:Bombardier R179 Truck Build Plate.jpg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bombardier_R179_Truck_Build_Plate.jpg) appears to be a good candidate for Wikimedia Commons. Do you know how to nominate a picture for Wikimedia? I personally tried to, but don't know how. So I am going to need your help. I am asking you because someone told me how awesome of an editor you are, and I really trust you because of the great contributions you made.--107.0.69.23 (talk) 15:35, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the notification, and thank you for the praise as well.✅ I've transferred this file to Commons. The reason you couldn't transfer it is because only registered users are allowed to upload Commons files. Also, any pictures with a sufficient free license can be copied to commons. epicgenius (talk) 18:39, 30 November 2016 (UTC)