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Growth team newsletter #25
Welcome to the twenty-fifth newsletter from the Growth team! Help with translations

Celebrations
Leveling up release


 * We released Leveling up features to our pilot wikis on March 22 for an initial A/B test.
 * In this test, we use post-edit dialogs (pop-ups shown after publishing an edit) and notifications to encourage new editors to try new types of newcomer-friendly suggested edits.
 * We are closely monitoring the short term impact of this feature as well as the longer term effect on newcomer productivity and retention. If the experiment shows positive results, we will release this feature to more wikis.

5,000+ images added via the newcomer task in February


 * In February 2023, 5,035 images were added via the newcomer “add an image” feature (on all wikis where available); 155 were reverted.
 * Since the feature “add an image” was launched: 36,803 images have been added; 2,957 images were reverted.

Recent changes

 * Add a link
 * Community Ambassadors completed an initial evaluation that confirmed that prioritizing underlinked articles resulted in better article suggestions. We then evaluated the change on Growth pilot wikis, and results suggest that more newcomers are successfully completing the task and experiencing fewer reverts. We have now deployed the new prioritization model to all wikis with "add a link" enabled.
 * We continue the deployment of "add a link" to more wikis. These changes are regularly announced in Tech News. To know if newcomers at your wiki have access to this feature, please visit your Homepage.
 * The Impact module was deployed on our pilot wikis, where we conducted an A/B test. We published initial findings, and a data scientist is now completing experiment analysis.
 * Donor Thank you page experiment – Donors land on a “thank you” page after donation, and that landing page now includes a call to action to try editing: Example Thank you page in French. This promising feature is tested at several Wikipedias.
 * Growth features are now the default experience on both test.wikipedia.org and test2.wikipedia.org. You can test our features there.

Upcoming work

 * Add an image – We plan to offer section-level image suggestions as a structured task for newcomers.
 * We are starting design work.
 * Growth team Ambassadors helped with an initial evaluation of these section-level image suggestions.
 * We will start a community consultation in which we share initial ideas and designs soon.
 * IP Editing: Privacy Enhancement and Abuse Mitigation – We will support this project for all Growth Team maintained products and extensions that may be affected by IP Masking.

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New Amsterdam Theatre scheduled for TFA
This is to let you know that the above article has been scheduled as today's featured article for 7 May 2023. Please check that the article needs no amendments. Feel free to amend the draft blurb, which can be found at Today's featured article/May 7, 2023, or to make comments on other matters concerning the scheduling of this article at Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article/May 2023. I suggest that you watchlist Main Page/Errors from the day before this appears on Main Page. Thanks and congratulations on your work. Gog the Mild (talk) 12:16, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Apr 12 WikiWednesday + Earth Week (Apr 15-23)
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DYK for The Ansonia
Aoidh (talk) 00:11, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Empire Theatre (42nd Street)
The article Empire Theatre (42nd Street) you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Empire Theatre (42nd Street) for comments about the article, and Talk:Empire Theatre (42nd Street)/GA1 for the nomination. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Kting97 -- Kting97 (talk) 16:04, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

April 2023
I've gone ahead with the re-nomination of the James Madison article. There is a rewritten Slavery section now and it would be nice to hear your support/oppose comments. Possibly you could revisit your review to complete the assessment which you had started 2 months ago if time allows. ErnestKrause (talk) 14:45, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for getting back on this. There's no rush on this and maybe after this week-end you might have some time to finish that prose review which you had previously started depending on your time available. ErnestKrause (talk) 14:52, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

Penn Access Clarification
Hello, so I was looking to reword the Penn Access article but I'm running into an issue. All the references regarding track layouts and station positions point to nothing that actually shows what the track layouts are. Knowing construction, wouldn't several builds of track maps be published to the public to actually show where everything is? For example, it states that Van Nest is 4 tracks but in order to build the island platform, one track has to be removed to fit in the island platform. Perhaps I'm not looking in the right place. Any help would be appreciated. User:EpicgeniusFlushingLocal (talk) 00:55, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello @FlushingLocal, thanks for bringing this up. You may be looking for the EIS. The final plans may be different from whatever the EIS shows, but the report indicates that for Parkchester/Van Nest, Morris Park, and Co-op City, there would be four tracks, with an island platform between the two center tracks. It seems like, at each station, all three of the existing tracks would have to be relocated to make way for the fourth track and the platform. – Epicgenius (talk) 18:51, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Sam H. Harris Theatre
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Sam H. Harris Theatre you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Pickersgill-Cunliffe -- Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 22:01, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

DYK for 161 Maiden Lane
BorgQueen (talk) 00:06, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

The Apthorp
Hi. I've switched it to ALT2, which I found far more interesting and catchy. Nice hook! BorgQueen (talk) 07:43, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

DYK for The Apthorp
BorgQueen (talk) 00:02, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

ChatGPT issue with recent GAN
Hi Epicgenius, a recent GAN of yours, 108 Leonard, was reviewed by a sockpuppet, likely using ChatGPT. Unfortunately, ChatGPT is not good at this job, and these reviews have been removed. Your nomination has been returned to the GAN queue at the original nomination date. No action is needed on your end, aside from the usual GAN process! Apologies for any inconvenience. Best, CMD (talk) 01:27, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
 * @Chipmunkdavis, thanks for the heads up. I did not realize at the time that it had been reviewed by a sockpuppet, but in light of that news, I do appreciate it being sent back to the queue for a proper review. – Epicgenius (talk) 12:45, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

DYK for The Belnord
Aoidh (talk) 00:03, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Flatiron Building
I think in a couple of years, once everything shakes out, the "Sale by auction" section will need to be much more condensed than it currently is, but in the meantime, charting the ins and outs of the affair seems worthwhile. It certainly is one of the strangest things I've been aware of in NYC real estate over the past decade or so. Thanks for your contributions. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:32, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks BMK, I appreciate it. I do agree that the auction and its aftermath really are quite strange and that, maybe in the future, the section can be condensed. I've heard of some weird things involving NYC buildings over the years, like skyscrapers that are required to incorporate the facades of city landmarks, or structures bound by unusual covenants, but the sale of the Flatiron Building is a different saga altogether. I'm glad that I could help, and thank you as well for adding info about the auction. – Epicgenius (talk) 23:44, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Sam H. Harris Theatre
The article Sam H. Harris Theatre you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Sam H. Harris Theatre for comments about the article, and Talk:Sam H. Harris Theatre/GA1 for the nomination. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Pickersgill-Cunliffe -- Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 18:22, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Total edits
Hi Epicgenius, hope you are well. How does one find how many total edits they have made? Best, Castncoot (talk) 02:29, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi @Castncoot. You can generally see your total edit count using Special:CentralAuth, e.g. Special:CentralAuth/Castncoot. You can also use XTools' edit count to see a much more detailed breakdown of your edits. Both of these links should be accessible from your contributions page (Special:CentralAuth is labeled as "Accounts"). – Epicgenius (talk) 12:48, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Castncoot (talk) 03:14, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

Trucks on floors
The cause and effect of the DYK hook in the Starrett–Lehigh Building article doesn't feel right: "This prevented truck drivers from idling at the curb and blocking traffic...leading its developers to say that "every floor is a first floor"." It is the use of vertical lifts in general, rather than a lack of idling, that relates to the first floor claim. That is also the reading I get from the source, "vertical street" type structure, with its operating principle of "every floor a first floor".". Best, CMD (talk) 06:01, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up @Chipmunkdavis. I did indeed mean to say that the presence of the elevators both prevented idling/blocking traffic and led the building's developers to say that "every floor is a first floor". But that seems to not have been clear in the article. The hook does correctly say that "every floor was a first floor because of truck elevators" (more specifically, the elevators allowed the building to operate under the principle that every floor was a first floor). – Epicgenius (talk) 13:02, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I have no problem with the hook! I should have clarified that this was the text the hook drew me towards. Impressive work as usual, although with a conspicuous lack of truck lift photos... CMD (talk) 14:32, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

Edit summaries are for summarising edits, not discussions
Do not use edit summaries for discussions as you did and. If you want to discuss improving an article, then do so on its talk page. If you want to have a discussion with a specific user, do so on their User talk page, as I am here. Bazza (talk) 13:26, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I've replied on your talk page. You could have just posted this message on my talk page without reverting my edit. Your own reversion is a violation of WP:REVTALK. – Epicgenius (talk) 13:32, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

New Page Patrol – May 2023 Backlog Drive
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Penn Club
Hi, can you please explain why you felt the need to undo someone's time and research spent in improving an article to a lesser primitive form, and without discussing it first (as an intended sole authority on the subject matter and arbitrator of truth?), in order to avoid a reversion war? Thanks. Cheezesatzu (talk) 16:43, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
 * @Cheezesatzu, I think there is a misunderstanding. You were the one who blanked 30 West 44th Street without any discussion, and you felt the need to undo the time and research that I spent creating that page. The 30 West 44th Street page is notable outside of the Penn Club (indeed, it was built as the Yale Club's clubhouse) and has undergone a WP:GA review, which means another user has deemed it to be of reasonably good quality. I reverted your edits per WP:MERGEINIT, which says Bold merges may be reverted, even though they are labor-intensive to complete.Your merge was completely unconstructive, as it attempted to summarize a 4,500-word article (which by itself is a good article) into a 700-word section on an article of significantly lower quality. I don't know why you did that, because the building has had at least six tenants over the years, but this was not an uncontroversial merge. You failed to start any discussion about merging the page, nor did you gain a consensus. Had you done that, I would have explained that merging the building's page with that of the Penn Club was a violation of WP:DUE. Since the building was constructed for the Yale Club, if the article had been short enough, one might argue that the Yale Club of New York City would be a better destination. But the building has actually had four other tenants over the years, which is why I created a separate article about the building. It is also a city landmark and is architecturally notable. In other words, even if the Penn Club had never bought 30 West 44th, the building would still merit an article. Your merger treats the building as though it wouldn't be notable if the Penn Club hadn't moved there, which is wholly inaccurate.I do not know why you think I am a sole authority on the subject matter and arbitrator of truth; no one is a sole authority on the subject matter. My edit was just reverting your blanking of the building's article, which was not constructive in any way. I did not mean to revert any other information you may have added to the Penn Club page, only the undiscussed merge. You can feel free to summarize some of the content from the building's page to the Penn Club article, but do not attempt to redirect the building's article again. – Epicgenius (talk) 17:00, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

DYK for First Battery Armory
Aoidh (talk) 00:02, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Starrett–Lehigh Building
Aoidh (talk) 00:03, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

FA renomination
Hello, I thought I'd let you know that I have renominated Interstate 40 in Tennessee as an FA candidate again, as you had indicated you had planned to take a look at the previous nomination. I have made some of the recommended improvements you suggested on the talk page, and addressed all of the outlying comments. That being said, I'd appreciate if you'd be willing to review this nomination again. Bneu2013 (talk) 04:47, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads-up @Bneu2013. I will leave some comments there soon. – Epicgenius (talk) 13:04, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of 108 Leonard
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Your GA nomination of New Victory Theater
The article New Victory Theater you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:New Victory Theater for comments about the article, and Talk:New Victory Theater/GA1 for the nomination. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Premeditated Chaos -- Premeditated Chaos (talk) 22:41, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Algonquin Hotel
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 * Epicgenius, if you attend to the latest batch of (admittedly tedious, but minor) quibbles in the next 24 hours, I expect to be able to wrap up the whole business within a further 24 hours; if not, the wrap may have to wait till I've returned to my computer after a break of two or three days away from it. (Ah, simpler times.) -- Hoary (talk) 22:05, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks @Hoary, I appreciate it. I totally forgot about the additional comments you had, which I will look at soon. Given how I waited half a year for the page to be reviewed, though, I'm fine if you need to take a break for a few days.(On a side note, it is quite intriguing that the article even passed GA the first time around. I'd say this version of the article wouldn't even be B-class today, given how little detail there was about the hotel itself, but I digress. I should really be getting to your comments...) – Epicgenius (talk) 23:30, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
 * You're welcome to take a break if you'd like; as for me, I think we're something like 80% through the process, so on balance I'm (irrationally?) keen to get it completed. Yes, that earlier version of the article looks less like an encyclopedia entry, more like a page from a distinctly middlebrow tourist guide. (And if they're going to take the trouble to use and link to bon mot, they could at least pluralize this properly.) On tourist guides, I know of the New York City Guide; I wonder if NYC has had any others of lasting value. (Some of the European guidebooks are mind-boggling. A prime example: Giulio Lorenzetti, Venice and Its Lagoon: Historical-Artistic Guide, which has 1025 densely packed pages. Its "Translator's Note" starts: "The translating of this vast comprehensive work has been long and difficult and beset with doubts and problems such as only translators know.") -- Hoary (talk) 00:20, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Algonquin Hotel
The article Algonquin Hotel you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Algonquin Hotel for comments about the article, and Talk:Algonquin Hotel/GA1 for the nomination. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Hoary -- Hoary (talk) 03:02, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Well done! This should soon be a FA. -- Hoary (talk) 04:33, 29 April 2023 (UTC)