User talk:Epicgenius/Archive/2023/Oct

NYC hotels
Hi, I don't know if there's any hotels you've started or expanded still missing from the NYC list in List of hotels in the United States, it's a useful list for finding hotels. I just added The Redbury New York. Great job as usual! ♦ Dr. Blofeld  12:49, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the link @Dr. Blofeld. There are probably a few hotels that are still missing so I'll check that out right now. – Epicgenius (talk) 15:57, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Apollo Theater
RoySmith (talk) 00:02, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

The WikiCup
Please be careful when you nominate articles for DYK. As a WikiCup judge I could have disallowed such articles as George S. Bowdoin Stable because you nominated it as being created solely by Transpoman. As the mere nominator, you would not qualify for WikiCup points. However, on inspection I see that it was a joint effort, you both did sufficient work and you should qualify for points. As we reach the end of the contest I would prefer that we have a clear-cut result rather than one that relies on my discretion! Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:01, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reminder @Cwmhiraeth. I'll keep this in mind for later - I accidentally forgot to add my own name on the Bowdoin nom. – Epicgenius (talk) 21:22, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of The Redbury New York
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Your GA nomination of The Redbury New York
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Your GA nomination of The Redbury New York
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DYK for Park Avenue Armory
&spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 00:03, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Cherokee Apartments
RoySmith (talk) 00:03, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks for co-nominating this with me, and nice work on the article. I walked by the buildings once a year or two ago and noted the unusual exterior. But it wasn't until I saw them again that I learned about their historical significance. rblv (talk) 19:59, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * No problem @Rublov. It was a pleasure working on the article with you. – Epicgenius (talk) 01:24, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Intrepid Sea, Air & Space Museum
Aoidh (talk) 00:02, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Jonathan W. Allen Stable
Z1720 (talk) 01:57, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

DYK for The Redbury New York
RoySmith (talk) 00:02, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

The Redbury New York coordinates
I see that you changed the coordinates for the The Redbury New York from pointing to the wrong building (but at least at the correct level of precision), to point at a different wrong building and at too high a level of precision. Is there anything I can do to help with this? Abductive (reasoning) 03:25, 14 October 2023 (UTC)


 * @Abductive, sorry about that, I have no idea how that happened, but it was probably human error on my part. I was using OSM to get these coordinates, but apparently I selected the wrong place. Epicgenius (talk) 03:54, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

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Growth team newsletter #28
Welcome to the twenty-eighth newsletter from the Growth team! Help with translations



Community configuration 2.0

 * Community Configuration 2.0 is a feature that will enable Wikimedia communities to easily customize and configure features to meet their unique needs. This approach provides non-technical moderators with more independence and control over enabling/disabling and customizing features for their communities.
 * Technical approach and associated tasks are detailed in this Epic task on Phabricator.
 * Initial designs are drafted for two different approaches (see images). We will soon demo interactive prototypes to interested admins, stewards, and experienced editors (T346109). Please let us know if you have feedback on the design approach, or want to participate in prototype testing.

IP Masking

 * The Growth team has been working on several updates to ensure Growth maintained features will be compatible with future IP Masking changes. This work has included code changes to: Recent Changes (T343322), Echo notifications (T333531), the Thanks extension (T345679) and Mentorship (T341390).
 * Before December, the Growth team will initiate community discussions with the goal of migrating communities from Flow to DiscussionTools. This move aims to minimize the necessity for additional engineering work to make Flow compatible with IP Masking. (T346108)

Mentorship

 * We assembled some resources for mentors at Mediawiki wiki. This resource page is translatable and will be linked from the mentor dashboard.
 * We are working to resolve a bug related to mentors properly returning after being marked as "Away". (T347024)
 * Half of newcomers at English Wikipedia get a mentor assigned to them. To ensure every newcomer receives mentorship, we need additional volunteer mentors at English Wikipedia to achieve a 100% coverage rate. We also encourage experienced users from other wikis to help newcomers at their own community.

Scaling Growth features

 * We continue the deployment of the structured task "add a link" to all Wikipedias. We plan to scale the task to all Wikipedias that have link suggestions available by the end of 2023.
 * We plan to scale the new Impact Module to all Wikipedias soon, but first we are investigating a bug with the job that refreshes the Impact Module data. (T344428)
 * At some wikis, newcomers have access to the "add an image" structured task. This task suggests images that may be relevant to add to unillustrated articles. Newcomers at these wikis can now add images to unillustrated articles sections. (T345940) The wikis that have this task are listed under "Images recommendations" at the Growth team deployment table.

Other news

 * We disabled the “add an image” task temporarily (T345188) because there was a failure in the image suggestions pipeline (T345141). This is now fixed.
 * You can read a report about the Growth team’s representation at Wikimania in Singapore here. Growth team members presented two sessions at Wikimania Singapore.
 * After a 2.5 years-long collaboration with Bangala Wikipedia, we have decided to start a collaboration with another wiki. Swahili Wikipedia is now a pilot wiki for Growth experiments.

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Intrepid Museum
Good Evening,

We see that you have been editing the Intrepid Museum wikipedia page. The information is partially correct. For full details on the creation of the museum please read Intrepid’s Odyssey by the museums founder/creator Michael D. Piccola. The information you are writing on the page is vague and misleading. 67.81.242.183 (talk) 01:22, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, and thanks for the response. I can look at that later, but here is the information that you changed or removed: Intrepid was supposed to be scrapped after decommissioning in the late 1970s, but Odysseys in Flight, a nonprofit organization founded by Michael D. Piccola and Bruce Sherer,[5] ... One of Odysseys in Flight's largest supporters was local real estate developer Zachary Fisher,[5][11][12] who established the Intrepid Museum Foundation in March 1978[13] and contributed over $25 million to the museum during his lifetime.[14] Fisher was enthusiastic about the project, eventually attracting other high-profile supporters such as radio and TV personality Arthur Godfrey and actress Maureen O'Hara.[5] The Navy also hoped that Intrepid could be used for recruitment.[11]I am not disputing that Piccola helped found the museum - in fact, the first part of the first paragraph says that. However, you also removed the following facts:
 * "Intrepid was supposed to be scrapped after decommissioning in the late 1970s, but Odysseys in Flight, a nonprofit organization founded by Michael D. Piccola and Bruce Sherer," - The source says that Piccola and Sherer founded Odysseys in Flight together, along with seven other people. Is this not correct?
 * "One of Odysseys in Flight's largest supporters was local real estate developer Zachary Fisher, who established the Intrepid Museum Foundation in March 1978." - Upon further inspection, it seems that Fisher was actually a supporter of the museum, not just Odysseys in Flight. This source indicates that Zachary and Elizabeth Fisher established the foundation; I'm not aware of any other sources that say otherwise.
 * "and contributed over $25 million to the museum during his lifetime.[14] Fisher was enthusiastic about the project, eventually attracting other high-profile supporters such as radio and TV personality Arthur Godfrey and actress Maureen O'Hara.[5] The Navy also hoped that Intrepid could be used for recruitment.[11]" - I do not think any of this has to do with Odysseys in Flight's involvement in the project.
 * Additionally, do you have, or have you ever had, any relationship to Odysseys in Flight or to Piccola? If you do have a relationship to that organization, please read the plain and simple conflict of interest guide, as editing articles with which you have a conflict of interest is strongly discouraged on Wikipedia. – Epicgenius (talk) 01:37, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, Michael Piccola was the founder, creator of the museum. He was also the President of the organization. The way you have it written is as if Bruce Sherer was an organizer who brought Odysseys in Flight together, which he wasn’t. The entire museum and organization was Michael Piccola’s idea and the others in the organization, who were invited to join by Piccola were there to help with tasks they were given by Piccola to bring his dream to reality.
 * The information on Fisher is vague. The truth about Fisher is that his donations were used to reorganize, rename and steal the efforts of Odysseys in Flight.
 * All of the specific details, dates, and documentation are in the book Intrepid’s Odyssey.
 * Please read and make the necessary changes.
 * Thank you for your efforts. 67.81.242.183 (talk) 02:01, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I will look at the sources again and will change the article if the sources support these claims. Please note, however, that Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy does not permit us to say that Fisher specifically "stole" Odysseys' efforts, unless reliable sources explicitly say that - and even then, we have to describe it in a neutral manner. Furthermore, we are limited to following what reliable sources say, so I will only be able to change the text if the sources specifically support it. Epicgenius (talk) 02:59, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Brooklyn Union Gas Company Headquarters
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Your GA nomination of Brooklyn Union Gas Company Headquarters
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Your GA nomination of Brooklyn Union Gas Company Headquarters
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Your GA nomination of Park Avenue Armory
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please reserve reverts for actual reverts
When you reverted me at Ed Sullivan Theater you didn't actually revert to the previous version.

You hid the fact you replaced line breaks for the template.

Please only revert... when you actually revert. That is, please ensure that when you post an edit whose summary started with "Undid revision xxxxxxxx by NNNN", that's factually correct. Thanks

As for the actual case, a) it would be preferable to simply cut down on references b) four references isn't that many and c) it wouldn't have been a case of refbombing anyway (not 1 Misuse, not 2 notability bomb, not 3 needless repetition, not 4 reprints, not 5 in-article conflicts, and not 6 other). CapnZapp (talk) 19:41, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
 * @CapnZapp, I did revert your edit, but then I decided to add unbulleted list citebundle. I do not think there was anything objectionable in my edit summary, aside from the fact that I forgot to mention my addition of the template, though I will try to refrain from doing this next time.For the cite bundling itself, I agree that it would be better to cut down on the references. If we retain the references and they support the same fact, I prefer to use unbulleted list citebundle. If all of the references are used only once, four separate &lt;ref&gt; tags is unnecessary ( is objectively more compact than, especially when you're dealing with citations further down the page, which can look more like ). CITEBOMB was the wrong project-space page to link to—I meant to link to WP:CITEKILL—but my point still stands that the four refs can be rolled up into one &lt;ref&gt; tag if they're not used anywhere else in the article. – Epicgenius (talk) 20:07, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

2 Broadway
Epic, one more time you are a shining example of how Wikipedia should work. Rather than simply reverting an unregistered user’s edit, you’ve dealt with why that edit was made, came up with a satisfactory resolution for retaining the photo, and went beyond and found an image of the original exterior as a bonus. Trifecta! 2601:196:180:DC0:11B8:7F4A:3B2E:672B (talk) 15:58, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the kind words. I'm always happy to help. Epicgenius (talk) 16:35, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
 * You’re welcome. I actually did considerable browsing around on Google Images first trying to make sense of that gorgeous brown and black image (and how to jive it with the blue and green description in the lead, chewing up considerable time searching around for image dates, and remodel dates, and hopes of finding an original exterior image to help clarify things).
 * Ultimately, I indeed ran into the image you added (which actually was an impetus for seeking to delete what was then just a very confusing though attractive photo), only it was at Flicker, and I did not imagine it would be an easily licensable image, and certainly not that it might already have been uploaded legitimately to Wikimedia Commons. Good for you for going and finding it there.  It’s what you do – go the extra mile, stay polite, remain constructive. Too bad it’s not contagious.2601:196:180:DC0:11B8:7F4A:3B2E:672B (talk) 18:28, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Ultimately, I indeed ran into the image you added (which actually was an impetus for seeking to delete what was then just a very confusing though attractive photo), only it was at Flicker, and I did not imagine it would be an easily licensable image, and certainly not that it might already have been uploaded legitimately to Wikimedia Commons. Good for you for going and finding it there.  It’s what you do – go the extra mile, stay polite, remain constructive. Too bad it’s not contagious.2601:196:180:DC0:11B8:7F4A:3B2E:672B (talk) 18:28, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Park Avenue Armory
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Your GA nomination of Park Avenue Armory
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Lever House
This is to let you know that the above article has been scheduled as today's featured article for 16 December 2023. Please check that the article needs no amendments. Feel free to amend the draft blurb, which can be found at Today's featured article/December 2023, or to make comments on other matters concerning the scheduling of this article at Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article/December 2023. Please keep an eye on that page, as comments regarding the draft blurb may be left there by user:dying, who assists the coordinators by making suggestions on the blurbs, or by others. I also suggest that you watchlist Main Page/Errors from two days before the article appears on the Main Page. Thanks and congratulations on your work!—Wehwalt (talk) 14:46, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, much appreciated. For convenience, I'm assuming the blurb is at Today's featured article/December 16, 2023. – Epicgenius (talk) 16:31, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

Searching within the source code
Hi Epicgenius, hope you are doing well. Is there a search function for words or phrases within the source code while in editing mode? Best, Castncoot (talk) 23:49, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
 * The browser search should work when you're in edit mode because the entire edit window is loaded into the html. RegentsPark (comment) 00:00, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
 * If you are using a desktop or a laptop with a hard keyboard, you would then use "Ctrl F" to search. How about on mobile or tablet, however, where the keyboard is virtual? Where does one enter the term to be searched? Castncoot (talk) 00:28, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
 * @Castncoot, almost all modern mobile browsers should have in-text search functionality as well. On Safari, for example, the in-text search is called "Find on Page" and is located within the search bar. On Chrome, it's called Find in Page and is located in the hamburger menu at the top right corner. On Firefox, Find in Page can be at the top right or bottom right of your screen, and so on and so forth for other browsers.Any major browser you use, though, will most likely have this functionality, even if it's in a menu. – Epicgenius (talk) 00:40, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Got it. Thank you! Castncoot (talk) 02:59, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

November Articles for creation backlog drive
 Hello Epicgenius:

WikiProject Articles for creation is holding a month long Backlog Drive!

The goal of this drive is to reduce the backlog of unreviewed drafts to less than 2 months outstanding reviews from the current 4+ months. Bonus points will be given for reviewing drafts that have been waiting more than 30 days. The drive is running from 1 November 2023 through 30 November 2023.

You may find Category:AfC pending submissions by age or other categories and sorting helpful.

Barnstars will be given out as awards at the end of the drive.

There is a backlog of over pages, so start reviewing drafts. We're looking forward to your help! MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:24, 31 October 2023 (UTC)