User talk:Epsilonsa

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No problem. Happy editing  Tewfik Talk 14:28, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Targeting of civilians is terrorism
Deliberately targeting of civilians, as opposite to accidentally killing them is Terrorism &mdash; by definition (from WordNet):

terrorism, act of terrorism, terrorist act -- (the calculated use of violence (or threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear)

There is nothing POV about it... пан Бостон-Київський 21:52, 9 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I understand. My main concern is with the double standard used for labeling what is terrorism and what isn't. For instance the quotes .... Epsilonsa 23:27, 9 August 2006 (UTC)


 * The quotes you provided don't outline a tactics much different from that used by NATO's forces agaisnt Serbia &mdash; justly. Turning a country's "clock back", however harsh a measure it might be, is not terrorism, because it does not imply targeting civilians &mdash; only the infrastructure. But this is a debate over whether or not Israel is using terrorist methods (and in my POV it does not).


 * That Hezbollah does use terrorist methods (and quite explicitly aims to continue) is a settled fact (which you do not dispute), so please stop reverting my edits pretending they represent a POV. Thank you,
 * пан Бостон-Київський 18:12, 10 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Civilian don't have to be killed in order for an action to be considered terrorism.


 * You are absolutely right. In fact, actual killing them is irrelevant &mdash; it is the intention that matters. Israel has never stated its intention to target civilians and without a public statement of such an intention, it will, indeed, remain subject to a POV to try to deduce it from some other statement. Hezbollah "luckily" is quite open about its strategy and thus we can classify it with ease.


 * The threat and violence involved in destroying infrastructure is against civilian assets and therefore can be considered terrorism.


 * No, destroying of enemy's infrastructure is a "normal" Act of War, not of Terror. All warring countries do this to each other. Acts of War are not pretty, but they are not terrorism.


 * But unlike your NATO example, no consensus has justified Israels actions either.


 * Consensus (a UN agreement) is only required to justify a country's going to war without being attacked. In this case, Israel needed no such justification, because:
 * de facto it was attacked by Hezbollah, and
 * de jure it is at war with Lebanon since 1948
 * In fact, Israel's right to self-defense is not disputed by any country &mdash; even if it is criticized for doing so "disproportionally".


 * Most importantly, whether or not Israel is engaged in terrorism is irrelevant to the fact, that Hezbollah most certainly is engaged in it.


 * I started a What is Terrorism section on the Talk-page. We can continue this discussion there...
 * Yours, пан Бостон-Київський 21:26, 10 August 2006 (UTC)