User talk:Erdosfan

Clearing & central counterparties

 * Per your note on my talk page, I posted my thoughts on the discussion page of Derivative (finance) in case it has meaning for other readers. Thanks again! --RayBirks (talk) 23:42, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Credit default swaps
Hi erdosfan. regarding your recent edit on the CDS article, you said "notional amounts provide no evidence that CDS were used for speculation". you would agree, wouldn't you, that the notional amounts prove mathematically that a minimum of $20 trillion (and surely more), i.e. about half, were bought by people who did not own the underlying asset, right? if people buy CDSs on bonds they don't hold, surely many of those people are speculating, wouldn't you say? Robert sides (talk) 04:56, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Robert,

No. That is incorrect. The gross notional amounts do not give any indication of how much capital is actually at play because there are redundancies in the accounting. For example: A sells protection to B who then sells protection to C. The gross notional would count each trade when in reality, the net economic effect is a trade between A and C. B is just a middleman.

People are certainly speculating in the CDS market. But the notional amounts are not how we show that is the case.Erdosfan (talk) 15:06, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * hi, i put back the 'Other changes and debate on CDS in 2009' sub section, with the reference in the correct place. Granted the analyses thats now after the reference is not supported so you could delete it if you want. I thought it was quite useful though. I added the alternative view that speculation isnt necessarily harmful.FeydHuxtable (talk) 17:32, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

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