User talk:Eric O. Costello

Blue Network
Thanks for the revised link in the MBS article, and all your work on the Blue Network article. Might I suggest flipping over the image of the matchbook you've provided from your collection, so the relevant logo is more easily readable. You might have to re-upload it to Wikipedia as a new image, but it would certainly be worth it. All the best, Dan—DCGeist 23:45, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Great Article!
I just happened to stumble across the Blue Networkarticle and I was amazed to find out that it's all been written very recently. I'd just like to point out that I placed the unreferenced template on the page merely as a "friendly nudge" to encourage you to format references in Wikipedia's emerging ad-hoc standard. For more information about reference formatting on Wikipedia, read this article. When you're satisfied with the status of your article, I strongly encourage you to submit Blue Network to Wikipedia's Did You Know? so that it can be featured on the Main Page. Swid (talk 05:00, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Blue Network Shows
Would it be possible, if you have the available information and resources, to expand your scope to include articles on Blue Network radio shows, such as The Cavalcade of America, etc.? --PhantomS 01:01, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Great work
Just thought I'd drop a note saying "good job!" on the Blue Network article. That's some impressive work you've done there. You might want to pop it up on the Good Article nom list, and maybe aim for featured status at some point. Either way, nice work for a first article! Tony Fox (arf!) 21:21, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

First Article?!
I didn't know this was your first article. I wish any of the ones I have done to date were this good! At this point, assessment is probably not the place to go for further input, though. I would place the article on the list at Wikipedia:Peer review for their consideration, as you probably want a more detailed review than is just gotten through an assessment. Badbilltucker 19:27, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Blue Network and Mutual Broadcasting System
Hi. Really lovely work. I've reclassed Blue Network according to the criteria and left a comment on the peer review. Would you mind taking a look again at MBS and letting me know if you have any thoughts. Best, Dan—DCGeist 22:58, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Mutual Broadcasting System organization
Hi. I hope all's well. I've nominated Mutual Broadcasting System for Featured Article status. The final sticking point is the article's organization. I tend to favor a basically chronological approach, as I've done here, now with headered subsections for specific consideration of programming during each decade of the network's prime. A couple readers apparently favor an organizational scheme in which the business history and the programming are entirely seperated. I'm sure I don't need to spell out the pros and cons of each organizational approach. Would you mind taking a look again at the article and then weighing in at Featured article candidates/Mutual Broadcasting System on which system you think would be superior in this case? I'm happy for you to cast the deciding vote, whichever way you lean.—DCGeist 05:02, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

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"NBC Blue" to just "Blue" response
Thank you. Very good to know. Wasn't trying to criticize anyone. I'm trying to compile an accurate-as-possible history of The Green Hornet, the original radio version of which spent much of its existence on the NBC-Blue/Blue/ABC network, and just wanted to get the point straight. Ted Watson 20:13, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Again, just to be sure I understand you correctly--the network was referred to on-air as NBC Blue, or some other acknowledgement of being part of NBC, on a few isolated occasions only, never as a matter of standard procedure (as far as can be determined at this late date, of course)? Fascinating. BTW, I strongly recommend that you sign your talk postings, as I've had to go to the NBC article's talk page to locate yours for both of these; I initially assumed that it was merely an inadvertent oversight, one I myself have committed more than once at Wiki, but twice in a row.... Ted Watson 18:40, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

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I have added the rationale in the picture. Eric O. Costello 22:47, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

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I have added the rationale in the picture. Eric O. Costello 23:09, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Additions to Blue Network
Excellent page! I've been inspired by your example to create a similar page for the NBC Red Network (which used to just redirect to the NBC television article). I didn't write the 1943-45 section on Blue, but I agree with you that it should be stricken for now (it still exists in the editing history); I've started on a 1927- onward section in both Red and Blue, based on radio program notes drawn from East Coast newspapers (generally Frederick and Hagerstown MD) that had the WEAF and WJZ listings, and which are on newspaperarchive.com. So far, it's drawn from March '27; then October or November for the other years. Please let me know how I can contribute to Blue without messing it up. Thanks Mandsford 00:44, 10 November 2007 (UTC) --- Also, strike whatever you want to on Blue, although I hope I can build a guide to notable programs; a lot of the early offerings were different orchestras and variety hours, with the comedies and dramas developing later Mandsford 00:46, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

--- It would take a real asshole to delete the NBC Red Network page. When people think of NBC, they think of the television network, and separating out the Red Network/NBC radio makes perfect sense. I'm disappointed that you zapped the programming project from your Blue page, since it was easier to work on both at the same time. I get the message, however. I'll stay off of your turf. Mandsford 21:26, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

-- Not to worry, my friend. I removed the redirect that had gone from NBC Red Network to NBC; the entry Red Network now redirects to NBC Red Network. I took your advice and did a user page for CBS radio, as well as User:Mandsford/Blue Network Programs. It's not a complete guide, but includes the more notable programs as drawn from summaries of the WJZ network programming lists from October of each year. The same newspaper page has the programs from all the networks, so I add to three articles at the same time. My only concern in doing a separate list of programs is that it does invite some moron to do a nomination for deletion. Someone compiled a table of daytime programming from 1949 and it drew a nomination "Wikipedia-is-not-TV-Guide". It was one of the few instances where Otto4711 and I were on the same side. The article got saved, but not before several people chimed in that it was "not encyclopedic" (amazing, considering how many encyclopedias of programming have been written). I can try e-mailing a newspaper page to you if you don't have newspaperarchive.com; it comes in Adobe format. Mandsford 20:37, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

EXCELLENT
I think the table looks great! I don't have the technical skills to make one, but you've provided a template. I've made it up to 1941-42 so far from the pages on NBC (Red), and the user pages on CBS and NBC (Blue) programming, although there are a lot of gaps in there. The worst problem is that there are some shows that went on for years, but that I'd never noticed; then there are the problems of giving the correct title of a show (Talk of the Town or Fred Allen). Ideally, what I'd like to work up is a comparative table, where you could see, for example 1938's Sunday night's programming (Edgar Bergen & Charlie McCarthy on Red, Out of the West on Blue, Mercury Theatre on CBS). I've done no research on Mutual. The fear always exists, of course, that some moron will nominate a separated out article for deletion. Mandsford (talk) 14:59, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

>>At what point would you be interested in some suggested text changes in the article? I'm asking, of course, rather than going ahead and making them. The changes would be largely in the nature of organization and presentation of the material, not necessarily changes in substance<<
 * Anytime you want to make changes, go ahead; I appreciate that you asked, but you know more about the subject than I. You've probably got books, whereas I'm going by newspaper articles ("Radio Timetable" in the Syracuse newspaper; in earlier years, eastern states papers for WEAF, WABC and WJZ.  I'll be the first to admit that I'm no expert on radio programming.  As long as information isn't deleted wholesale, I have no problem with rewrites. :I'd like to keep the "NBC Red Network" title, even though it was simply NBC radio after Blue was spun off.   I'd rather NBC Radio redirect to NBC Red, rather than the other way around.  The narrative, of course, was borrowed from the radio portion of the NBC (television) article.  I finally got rid of "Defining radio's golden age" since I think that there can be a better introduction to the programming notes.  Regarding programming, I'm up to 1951-52, as you've seen.  Obviously, a lot of the titles need fixing to a common standard-- where possible, I prefer to go with the name of the star rather than the show title, which sometimes changed.  :Anyway, go ahead and make changes as appropriate.  The important thing is to make an article that's readable and informative.  Mandsford 02:41, 4 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Remember when I wrote that it would take a real asshole to delete the page? I've found one.  User:Mhking came through and took out all of the empasizers, and on the next pass, wiped the listings completely on the "Wikipedia is not a program guide" excuse, which as far as I'm aware, isn't applicable since we can't literally "tune in yesteryear".  Looks like I'm going to be facing some trouble from this guy.  Do you think I should I report him/her?  Mandsford (talk) 22:45, 5 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I've looked at his talk page. "Mike King" is apparently one of these guys who thinks he's important, or at least acts as if he is.  He apparently does this type of thing A LOT, and gets a lot of timid responses along the lines of "please give me a chance to fix the problem" and "please reconsider".  Probably makes him feel more secure about himself, I guess.  Fixing the wipe of an article is easy.  If he keeps it up, I'll probably do the friendly warning and then take him on up.  Keep an eye on this guy, however-- you may have him dropping in on you sometime too.  Mandsford (talk) 23:25, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the post; I passed it on to Mhking as well. I'm hoping that, eventually, a reconstruction of the radio schedule can be made.  Before there was "must see TV", there were certain evenings that were "must hear radio".  My Dad told me that he and his friends missed the "War of the Worlds" scare in 1938-- they were all listening to Charlie McCarthy instead.  My mother was doing homework while listening to an afternoon concert when the news of Pearl Harbor was announced.  What was on the air is a marker for what was happening on a given weeknight at a particular point in history, and it's something that Wikipedia can excel at.  Mandsford (talk) 01:47, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks again. Mhking responded after I'd forwarded your post, and conceded the point.  If I can be of help in a similar situation, please let me know.   Mandsford (talk) 22:07, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

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 * thanks for adding a source and rationale, although you did only add one for one of the articles it was used in. As for the two messages, there were two issues to be addressed.  One that it lacked a clearly identifiable source and one that it lacked a fair use rationale.  If you're offended by two messages, you could easily delete them.   I've just found in the past that one message often results in only half the problem being fixed and that another editor comes along later and deletes the image.   I'm sorry that you regard my attempt to help you save the image as a bother.  Rossrs (talk) 22:28, 2 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I've offended you and I apologise but let me explain. I am going through a list of 1000's of images that are missing essential information.   I am doing this because I think that a person - example, me - can look at the images and make a decision as to whether they comply with policies.  Meanwhile a bot is running parallel and deleting images without actually looking at them.     The ones that can be easily fixed, I fix.   The ones that I'm not sure about I send a message to the uploader.   My intention is that no images are accidentally deleted by a bot, but all images that should be deleted are deleted.   There are 1000s of images and if I have to spend a lot of time looking at each one, plus trying to guess how the uploader feels about the image, I'll give up as I don't have that much time to spend on this,  and the whole lot can be deleted by a bot.  I would hope that by sending you a message, you can either take care of the image or allow it be deleted.  Don't take it personally.  If you look at my edit history over the last week or so, you'll see that I've spent a lot of time working on this, and over the course of 100s of edits, have mostly 'saved' images.   As I noted earlier, there were two problems with the image.   If just one had been addressed, the bot would have come along behind me and listed the image for deletion because the second problem hadn't been addressed.  Using the templates takes about 30 seconds for me to address each image.   These replies to you, which I'm happy to offer, have taken considerably longer, so I am merely trying to abbreviate the process, something which is standard practice here.   I'm not to know how invested you are in any image and it's only a courtesy to let you know that a problem has been detected so that you can decide what course of action you want to take.   Rossrs (talk) 00:51, 3 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for being so understanding.  I really don't mean to upset anyone here, and if I happen to find a problem with any other images that you've uploaded, I'll try to fix them as I have been doing.  If I'm not sure what needs to be done, I'll send you a message, but I won't bore you with the long, impersonal template, now that you know what I'm trying to do.   Cheers Rossrs (talk) 01:04, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

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