User talk:Ericorbit/Archive11

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Only with You
Hi, Eric.

You moved Only with You to Only with You (Beach Boys song), and then put a dab page where the article used to be. That is all good, but when you do that, you should probably go through and change the links that are pointing to where the article used to be and are now pointing to the dab page. I fixed them all this morning, so don't worry about it, but keep it in mind for future moves.

Thanks! MookieZ (talk) 14:21, 15 February 2008 (UTC)


 * No worries. MookieZ (talk) 15:36, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

thriller 25 talk
I left a message on that persons user page explaining to them what i did inviting them to put there vote forward again with an argument that supports their vote, it wasnt sneaky or sly, as ive informed the user concerned, they made a vote based on what they thought was to be true , but there interpretation was incorrect making the reasoning for the vote incorrect , i let them know and they are more than welcome to cast the same vote again WITHOUT even giving a reason. The point was there vote was made on a reason that does not exist. Realist2 (talk) 21:39, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

well i wasnt doing anything to deliberately win my debate, this has infact brought up a serious issue that will affect the article. Many charts are not specifying if the album is actually thriller 25, they might be on about the original thriller. A lot of ip address keep adding the irish chart result as if its for thriller 25 when it only says thriller. Elfoid has suggested semi protection. ??? Realist2 (talk) 22:14, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

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Help
Could I enlist your help - yet again ? I have recently received two Wiki e-mails which relate to my recent editing work. Whilst I believe what I have done is correct (although Adolf Hitler would probably have claimed the same, in wholly differing circumstances), I think my replies need to point both correspondents to specific Wiki policy. I often struggle to wade through the various Wiki edits to find the relevant article - could you please help frame my replies ? The e-mails are shown below:-

Johnny Johnson and the Bandwagon Hi Derek...New Wiki member here. I just wondered why you have deleted my personal recollections added recently to the Bandwagon entry. I was the bass player with his backing band 'Stone Idol' in 1970 during the UK tour and drew the information from my personal and detailed diary kept at the time. I could have listed every date on the tour but felt the generalisation of "the northern soul circuit" was adequate.

The entry was accurate and neutral so I am just wondering what was wrong about it?...I searched extensively on the internet but there couldn't have been that level of intimate detail unless it had been written by someone who was there. I was also a personal friend of Johnny and the boys during that period.

Incidently I was later bass player with the Leo Sayer Band and am currently working on a Wiki entry for a long time personal friend Frank Farrell who wrote several songs with Gerry during our time in the band. 21stCenturyGreenstuff (talk) 02:27, 17 February 2008 (UTC)


 * RE Johnny Johnson and the Bandwagon Thank you for the comments Eo and thank you Derek for taking the time to advance my query elsewhere and if this is the definite decision then I will happily bend to it. But as a newby wiki ‘editor’ it still makes me a little sad, really for the encyclopedia and for any students trying to find more information on the subject. The current entry is really no more than a cold list of information that is already available elsewhere. There can be no citable source for the factual information I added now, because nobody else ever wrote it down and to all intents and purposes I am probably the only person left who was actually there.


 * It leaves us in the crazy situation where I cannot personally add the information to the wiki entry, but if I had time to write a biography of Johnson or even compile on online biog somewhere else on the internet – a third party could then place the information on the wiki entry with a citation reference to my work. Am I alone in seeing this as a bit of a nonsense?


 * I have enough stories and diary notes to write pages and pages on the Bandwagon full of anecdotal information, much of it highly scurrilous. However, I thought I was quite abstemious and sparing in what I did add. I tried to make it totally neutral and avoided any POV info, while breathing a little life and colour into several wonderful musicians. Without it the reader would have no idea that the 1970 touring band in the UK was only half of the Bandwagon or that they even toured the Northern Soul Circuit at all. Nor would there be any steer as to how Johnson met or became associated with McCauley et al. I hope you didn’t consider my amendments as vandalism or trolling, because that was certainly not my intent.Cheers 21stCenturyGreenstuff (talk) 23:27, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

PLUS

Hello from Japan. I appreciate your efforts in improving the music articles here at Wikipedia. While I think your edits are very useful for the most part, I do not understand why you keep removing the year links from artist discographies. Not that I think those links are really important, but I think they may help the readers associate the artist timelines with happenings outside those particular articles.

There should be no harm leaving them as they are (unless they are mislinked), and devoting your time in removing them seems to be unconstructive. I personally have spent some time adding those links in the past, so I am interested in knowing the reasons why they have to be removed.

You mention Wikipedia:Manual of Style as your reasons for such edits, but I couldn't find any information that suggest editors to edit the articles that way.

If it is indeed Wikipedia policies that year links should not be used that way, my apologies. If that is the case, please kindly point me to the exact statement where it is said so. Thanks in advance. --Sumori (talk) 03:38, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Derek_R_Bullamore" ''

Many thanks,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 22:42, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Keyshia Cole dicography RE
The Austrian chart information is not important at all because Austria is a very, very small market, when it comes to music. Any way keyshia only managed to have one chart position in Austria. So I don't think there is a reason for having Austria in the table. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Malcolmo (talk • contribs) 16:24, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

semi protection
hi could we semi protect the thriller 25 article, ip adresses are throwing in stupid claims and running the table as well as the articles credibility. Could this be protected at least until the sales hype is out of the way. let me know your thoughts. Realist2 (talk) 21:02, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Cheers. thankyou. Realist2 (talk) 21:08, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

whoops
you`d think by now id know that s came before u on wanna be startin somethin. Realist2 (talk) 16:20, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

hey i saw your edit, is it actually still possible he`l get on the billboard 200?Realist2 (talk) 17:34, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Sure I understand that after reading it carefully, sorry english is not my first language and as i had never heard of the pop catalogue chart it was a tad confusing. Still good sales. Realist2 (talk) 18:27, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

i see in radio and records
so its a true source foo fighters long road to ruin is number one —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.193.83.146 (talk) 18:30, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Thriller 25
surely it has to be corrct, seeming as the original album was the best selling album of 1983 and 1984 , the original thriller album was in the charts for well over 2 years was was also older than 18 months. Surely its when they drop out of the charts that an 18month clock starts ticking? Realist2 (talk) 19:15, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Beat It and Beat It 2008
Hey today I added information on "Beat It 2008" to the original "Beat it" article (as we have been doing with all the singles from thriller 25). As you can see Beat It has all the info on the 2008 release. unfortunately though some1 made a new article Beat It 2008. This needs to be deleted as it goes against the consensus of the singles from thriller 25. I havent done anything because I dont know how I believe ALL the info at Beat It 2008 is already on Beat It so its not a case of merger but rather deletion. Realist2 (talk) 02:15, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Cheers ill keep an eye out, also note that "billie jean 2008" has also started charting so we might get the same problem with that, if i had made the "beat it 2008" section sooner this might have not happened. Ill also make a "billie jean 2008" section in the next few days. Realist2 (talk) 02:25, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

A certain user
Would you talk to the user that is commiting an edit war on the thriller 25 by removing info on the singles. Thanx. Realist2 (talk) 13:07, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

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Pitchfork media's reviews
I'm sorry but I don't see why you allow pitchfork reviews on the album pages. It's not the fact that they're biased, most others are, but it's the fact that their reviews differ so much from other professional reviews that it doesn't look balanced. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sharingan87 (talk • contribs) 22:45, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism on Michael jackson talk page
Hey there has been LOT of vandalism on the michael jackson talk page over the last few days and i think its probably a back lash against jacksons resent popularity. Could you monitor the situation and perhaps semi protect it. Realist2 (talk) 00:52, 26 February 2008 (UTC)


 * You can request it here. --Efe (talk) 00:55, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

"Don't Talk To Me About Love" article and song information
I appreciate all the tips you have been giving me. I'm new to the Wikipedia community, but I just need to know how to insert these categories and stub specificiations and the like, to help improve my articles. Also, regarding the "Don't Talk To Me About Love" speedy deletion tag, I did add more information, but it seems someone has deleted it. It is not a canditate for speedy deletion because it lists some important things in the article that are not in the main band profile. Thanks again. --Putnam269 (talk) 18:00, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

flykkiller shine out shine out
http://www.flykkiller.com/shineout.htm this should be proof for the single title (check song name above video link) if you need more i'll print screen some emails/myspace things Themutantcow (talk) 03:14, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank You
I just want to say thanks in keeping the many articles you edit realistic, and reverting the constant sales hiking. Much appreciated 60.234.242.196 (talk) 21:34, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Thriller 25 merge issue
With 12 people voting for a merge, 7 against (I know it said 13/6, I'd listed someone incorrectly - I also deleted one you'd put in that was actually me on my IP address since I forgot to log in), it's clear the debate's leaning towards a merge. But it's not getting very far, since it's the sort of debate where there's never gonna be evidence to decide what will happen. Being an admin, do you have any ideas as to where we can go with this? It seems static, with more people's opinions just piling up.(The Elfoid (talk) 19:32, 28 February 2008 (UTC))


 * The guy is an editing machine and a living guide to Michael Jackson, I just steer him in the right direction since he's not good at being encyclopaedic. A merge'll happen I agree...we'll get it ready and sorted. I just wasn't sure when a merge gets decided on. Because arguments on both sides are quite adamant. (The Elfoid (talk) 22:58, 29 February 2008 (UTC))

Finally (Fergie song)
Why redirect it to The Dutchess? The source I had is reliable and said it was going to be a single. I know it hasn't charted yet, but it's moving up in airplay pretty fast, so I think it will chart within the next two or three weeks. Why not have a page for it? Tcatron565 (talk) 16:30, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Re:Foo Fighter's IP
Granted he needs to be told about his edit summaries. I'm trying to WP:AGF with him, seems he's quite liberal with that word. Could you leave him a note about it please? I've tried getting him to create an account at least... doesn't seem to have worked. Scarian Call me Pat 21:11, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Kudos for this, my friend. But I'm afraid it doesn't look like it knocked much sense into him. I think we can ignore him for now just as long as FF is protected. If he does decide to remove "Post grunge" from the infobox [when the prot. ends] he'll be going against consensus which means we can rv him without hassle ;-) - Take care and thanks for all your help! Scarian Call me Pat  21:54, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

THRILLER MASTERPIECE
Here is a link to a masterpiece in wiki art that me and elfoid have been working on VERY hard. It is the preposed merger of THRILLER and THRILLER 25 as those seperate articles stand right now. Obviously ill keep updating it as im updating the seperate articles. I prepose to change my vote in 3 weeks time to merger providing their are no sudden events surrounding Jackson that drastically affect the article. So long as everythink stays as it is a merger in 3 weeks SHOULD go ahead. YoursRealist2 (talk) 00:18, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Hey i tried to remove the bold but it seems that it occures automatically with the table thats used. We never made that table it was made by some1 else so i have no idea hoe it works. As for the references ive never done that either and will leave it to you when your not busy, be carefully though that list of sources is VERY tempermental and is an accident waiting to happen. Realist2 (talk) 00:58, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

I solved the bold issue know. Realist2 (talk) 01:05, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Carrie Underwood at #1
Why do you keep reverting 's edits to Carrie Underwood discography? The R&R chart highlights page shows that for the upcoming chart week (i.e. the 3/15 chart), Carrie is indeed at #1. And since R&R = Billboard, that means she's on top of Billboard too. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 18:41, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's jumping the gun. The information is verifiable through the chart highlights page; therefore, it should be added. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 18:57, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

unlock Faith Evans
Can u unlock Faith Evans. I wanna cleanup it up. Update her personal secion. Put info in chrono order. Stuff like that. 70.108.100.102 (talk) 15:19, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

dbopm (the database of popular music)
Wikipedia:Record charts Eric, sorry but I don't understand your comment on the recent edit. Sincere apologies if I did something wrong here, but I'm not a "regular" and might be unaware of some protocols. Could you explain where I'm going wrong on this? Dbopm (talk) 19:01, 4 March 2008 (UTC) Okay, thanks for your time.Dbopm (talk) 22:35, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Protection
Hey, do you think you can semi-protect the Janet Jackson discography and Discipline (Janet Jackson album) pages? Too many IPs are prematurely adding chart info without a source. Admc2006 (talk) 15:57, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Love in This Club
Alright I'll hold off until the charts are officially published, but I've just been getting aggravated lately by how much unnecessarily picky it seems that editors on this site have started to become with reliable sites, I mean seriously is a site like Yahoo no longer reliable? But if you say that there's a conflicting reliable source that's saying Low is still #1 then I guess we will have to wait until the official charts are published. Thanks for informing me on the conflicting source. User:WIKI-GUY-16 20:29, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

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modern rock number 1 hits
explain what you are talking about im a little slow,the article states 1 modern rock hits,what is your problem with having the links i mean the hot 100 has the links--Wikiscribe (talk) 18:45, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Discipline CHARTING
Hey id like to bring your attention to This. Its a "charting" section which gives the chart trajectory and the week by week sales figures in america. Im sure its against wiki policy but i dont want to delete it just in case. Cound you look at it and if needed sort something that is more appropiate. Yours Realist2 (talk) 01:23, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Sure cheers very much ill look into setting up something like the thriller 25 table. Realist2 (talk) 01:35, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Hey ive sorted out a table for the janet album. Could you sort out the sales part for the american chart by joining the 2 boxes together like you did on Thriller 25. Cheers. Realist2 (talk) 02:27, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi looking at the discipline album again it has 3 charts for Japan. Is this neccasary. I asked another user a few days ago and they didnt know what to do. Realist2 (talk) 18:30, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Block
So- mucha- betta needs to be blocked. On the discipline album they provided a link up to a new single from the album. Only problem is that the new song article is unsourced and was made solely by this user here. Realist2 (talk) 22:55, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Break the Ice
No Prob. :) QuasyBoy 19:07, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

jj song
here another song made up, its not accurately sourced.Realist2 (talk) 01:16, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Can't B Good
The link provided does mention that the song "Can't B Good" is going for adds on March 18, you just have to click Urban/UAC. Though, that page does not have a permanent link. Be a little more careful before you go revert-crazy next time... Thankyoubaby (talk) 03:14, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * If the song is going for adds as the link states, that means the song is being released... which is clearly different from an album track simply getting some airplay. Thankyoubaby (talk) 15:42, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * While I agree that that screenshot is not the best source, I can't find a way to provide a permanent link to the page I directed you to, which is a reliable source... Thankyoubaby (talk) 15:52, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Goldfrapp - Happiness
My source of Goldfrapp's happiness release is an email i received this afternoon.

Here's the tracklisting:

CD 1. Happiness - Single version 2. Road To Somewhere Acoustic Version

Maxi CD 1. Happiness - Beyond The Wizards Sleeve Re-animation 2. Monster Love - Goldfrapp vs. Spiritualized 3. Eat Yourself - Yeasayer Remix

7" picture disc A. Happiness - Single version B. Happiness - Metronomy Remix Featuring The Teenagers

Still need to find the catalogue number.

Feduciary (talk) 16:03, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Jacko
Hi I was wondering, if someone put "Jacko" in the lead of the michael jackson article, would it be ok, or would it be against wiki policy? Its already mentioned in the content of the article and doesnt seem professional in the lead. What are your thoughts?Realist2 (talk) 16:26, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanx so everything is ok as it stands. cheers. Realist2 (talk) 16:58, 13 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I changed part of the lead of Michael Jackson to reflect that in polite Australian English, he is often, even reverently, referred to as Jacko, much more than MJ or the King of Pop. I cited it with http://www.thewest.com.au/aapstory.aspx?StoryName=464813 and User talk:Realist2 disagreed with it. In fact, when we celebrate the 25th anniversary year at Metropolis Fremantle, the nightclub with the biggest Saturday night for several megameters in any direction, we always refer to him as Jacko. It is a good faith edit that now has an NPOV source that further carries superlative weight in Western Australia. Please, read User talk:Thecurran, that short source article, and User talk:Realist2 to get the whole story so far before replying. I'd prefer it if you replied on User talk:Realist2, where that user has directed the conversation. BTW, you're not Captain EO, are you? ^_^ I loved that more than The Wiz. :)--Thecurran (talk) 17:39, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Even if it isnt derogatory, its only australia, i dont like the idea that we should put a name for every countr, what is he called in chile? --Realist2 (talk) 17:59, 13 March 2008 (UTC)


 * User:Realist2, a counter-argument along the same lines might read "it's only derogatory in GB" but just as phrases like "it's only Australia" on their own seem slightly anti-Australian, I don't want to come off as anti-British, so I'll try to explain what I mean. Considering the anti-Americanism suggested in the section just before our convo on your talk page though, it's a little hard for me to WP:AGF.


 * BTW, Chile is far more a part of the Hispanosphere than the Anglosphere, which Australia is firmly part of and, after all, this is the Anglospheric Wikipedia.


 * Either way, if you wish to point out that AU has only about a third of the population of GB, please remember that GB, in turn, has only about a fifth of the population of the US. So if Australian English positive usage is insignificant in GB @ AU:GB::1:3, then British English negative usage is less significant in the US @ GB:US::1:5.


 * WP:NPOV is important and I'm glad you WP:BBd and fixed what you saw as an error. You also sought an admin immediately, which isn't my style, but hey; each to their own. Then you argued against my correction in line with the sources that someone else had appended prior, without checking said sources first. Beyond that, you used threatening vocabulary when I hadn't touched WP:3RR, but merely once tried to address your suggestion of NPOV.


 * You've even moved the conversation, starting it on my talk page and then resolutely directing it to yours. I followed your lead, but now you've brought it over here to an admin's talk page. I don't wish to try the admin's patience any further and mine is spent for the moment. I disagree but I don't currently have the energy to see it through. If I leave the edit now, can you please leave me in peace and not feel offended when I don't quickly reply to your expected response? :)--Thecurran (talk) 19:41, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Hard Candy (Madonna album)
Hi. I was going through unfree images with disputed rationales and noticed Image:Madonna Hard Candy cover.jpg. It was up for deletion because it was orphaned. Normally, I skip such images, but then I noticed it was by Madonna. Since albums by famous artists generally have their own articles, I was wondering why this image was orphaned. I found the appropriate article, added the image, and returned to the image page to write a valid rationale. When I was later looking through my contributions, I noticed my edit to Hard Candy (Madonna album) was no longer top, and so I checked the history to see what the subsequent edits might have been. I saw that you had removed the image, stating "removing image with no source or fair use rationale per WP:FU". Because the image already had a rationale, I re-added it, I hope you don't mind. I think you should give people three minutes to write a rationale, or you could write it yourself (an album cover used in the main infobox is a pretty clear cut case). I mean, what bothers me is that if I hadn't checked back BetaCommandBot would have soon re-tagged the image as orphan and an administrator would delete it. The album article would be without the cover art. That's not exactly good for the encyclopedia, so please just give people several minutes before you remove an image, or write a rationale yourself. Thanks. Puchiko (Talk-email) 20:33, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

While you might be correct that this cover art might be fake or fan made, the uploader of the image (User:Digital1) doesn't appear to be a single purpose account, especially since it was created in November 2005, and is still active from time to time. I have therefore decided to assume good faith, left the image in the article and posted a at his talk page enquiring about the source of the image. If he doesn't respond, then I agree that the image should be removed and then deleted. Feel free to contact me if you have any further questions, but I'm going to bed so don't expect an answer until tomorrow :) Thanks for your patience! Puchiko (Talk-email) 21:11, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I can't provide source information as the image was uploaded by User:Digital1. I just stumbled upon it when I was looking through fair use images with invalid rationales. Seeing that there was an article about the album, I added it there, and then wrote a fair use rationale. "the cover art can or could be obtained from Warner Bros." is a sentence that album cover fur automatically adds when no source is specified, because the album art can always be obtained from the label.


 * User:Digital1 has added the source of the image (see the image page for more information). Would it now be alright to add the image to the article again? Thanks, Puchiko (Talk-email) 12:23, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Merger is ready
here the merger is ready. The only issue of debate with it is the long list of chart positions for Thriller 25. Me and elfoid will discuss this list and decide whats best to do with it shortly. Hes away at the moment but we will edit it and decide what to do with this soon. For know its best to let this merger go ahead. YoursRealist2 (talk) 12:42, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

If you could split it into 2 that would be great, the reissue has been so successful it seems a shame to remove smaller countries especially as they are the ones that have made it sell so well. Spliting it in 2 would really make it look smaller which would help tons. Your minor edits are fine. As for the original chart positions for thriller it seemed pointless as its gone to #1 almost everywhere lol. Realist2 (talk) 12:59, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Amazing, i cant believe how amazing that looks. Lets merge it. Can we nominate it? Should we semi protect it for a while? Realist2 (talk) 13:09, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, sorry, sorry when i say nominate, i mean nominate for GA or FA etc. Go ahead with merger yes. Also yes we need to archive the talk page over and use redirects. Realist2 (talk) 13:15, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Ok go ahead with the merger, and do whatever needs doing with the "Thriller 25" talk page(I wouldnt have a clue). Realist2 (talk) 13:19, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

lol, how long is that list!!!! Ill start cutting into it then. Ill try getting in nominated as well although ive never tried to before. Realist2 (talk) 13:36, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Ive nominated it Here. Its really backlogged tho. It could take weeks. Is there a quicker way? Realist2 (talk) 13:45, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Hum ok, ill just have to be patient. Realist2 (talk) 13:49, 14 March 2008 (UTC)