User talk:Erpert/Archives/2014/July

Start date template
Please do not use start date inside ref template. This is a huge no-no. The first thing in the template documentation states this. Dates should be spelled out and no templates used. Bgwhite (talk) 08:27, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
 * There are nicer ways to say that, you know. Anyway, the documentation actually doesn't state that it can't be used inside ref templates (it says it indeed can be used within other templates, I don't see ref templates excluded).  Erpert  blah, blah, blah... 09:18, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
 * "Please do not use" is not a nice way? Egads, you are easily offended then.   What, I should have said pretty please?
 * First thing start date says, This template should not be used in citation templates such as Citation Style 1 and Citation Style 2, because it includes markup that will pollute the COinS metadata they produce. Citation Style 1 and 2 templates are cite web, citation, cite news and any other cite templates.  By adding start date, you screw up the metadata, which is on of the primary reasons for the cite templates.  There is no "must not" on Wikipedia as there can be a situation where "must not" doesn't work.  "Should" on Wikipedia is were we follow it unless the is a valid reason not to.  All MOS pages never say "must", but Use common sense in applying it; it will have occasional exceptions.  Common sense in this case says not to screw up a primary reason for a template by adding another template.
 * Also, you signature violates WP:Appearance and color. Pretty please change the yellow text as it makes it impossible to read.  Bgwhite (talk) 20:52, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Two things:
 * There is no reason to be sarcastic; anyway, I was referring to the "huge no-no" part (I'm not bothered by much but being spoken to like I am a child is a serious pet peeve).
 * I don't see how my signature violates WP:SIGAPP; and anyway, I've had it for years and no one has ever said anything (it only shows up as yellow on my own talk page). Why do you have so many problems with what I do all of a sudden?  Erpert  blah, blah, blah... 00:19, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I had no idea what you found offense. You have to be specific if you don't like something, otherwise all I can do is guess.  Where I come from, "huge no-no" is not offensive in any way and is not a childish term.  Dictionaries don't say it is a kid's term.  Next time, don't have thin skin and tell somebody what you don't like.
 * Per WP:SIGAPP, If you use different colors in your signature, please ensure that the result will be readable by people with color blindness, defective color vision, and other visual disabilities.. You couldn't make out what the yellow words were.  I have eyesight problems.  I notice reading issues.  Everyday I correct disability issues.  Everyday I read the same crap from editors... Ignore all rules, It does say I must follow it, etc.  Recently, one long-time editor, who is now blocked, refused to put the TOC in the right location.  He put it so 1/2 of the article is not readable by people who use screen readers.  Their excuse, I can read it just fine and fuck the blind.  I find it offensive that editors do not care if other people can read what is on the screen. Bgwhite (talk) 04:56, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * When I archived this discussion, what in the world gave you the idea that that meant "let's bring it back and continue it"? And if the colors can cause problems, they shouldn't be options; also, if the words can't be seen, well, just use your mouse and highlight them (that's what I did, and I have vision problems myself; I wear glasses). Anyway, I never use WP:IAR because I think it's a cop-out. Now, go away (and do not restart this in a new section).  Erpert  blah, blah, blah... 08:46, 31 July 2014 (UTC)