User talk:Erpert/Archives/2015/May

Lead vocalist / backing vocalist

 * I don't dispute that you went through the proper formal procedures (for instance here), but I for one missed that suggestion, and I'm sure that there are others who would welcome an explanation of why you are making that proposal without, it seems, seeking to merge the content of the articles with the wider article on singing. The articles are pretty poor, but I think there are strong arguments for retaining and improving them rather than removing them entirely.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:13, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
 * To me, the articles appeared to be nothing but original research (not that I disagree with everything, but...). In addition, it was one of those situations where there was no criteria for why those particular vocalists were listed; it seemed like random users just popped in and listed their favorite vocalist. And with all due respect, the additions you added were more original research, because none of them are sourced. If you really want to leave the articles, why not have a discussion on the talk page like I suggested? (SN: What does "status quo ante" mean?)  Erpert  blah, blah, blah... 07:08, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I certainly agree that the current articles are not well written or well referenced - nor, incidentally, are Singing or Vocal music. That is not to say that the articles should be removed or merged.  I have no doubt that ample sources exist that would allow the creation of good encyclopedic articles on both topics of lead vocalist and backing vocalist in popular music (which is what the articles are about, hence my explanatory edits), though I'm neither a musicologist nor a musician and so may not be the best person to attempt to do that.   The first step (already done) is to tag the articles as needing improvement.  The second step is to improve them.  Once those steps have been tried, and found to fail, they could then be considered for merger or deletion.  I'm happy for you to raise your particular concerns on the article talk pages, where they can be discussed further.   PS: see status quo ante.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:26, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Actually, WP:UNSOURCED states that such information can indeed be removed. What's the point of having an unsourced content fork?  Erpert  blah, blah, blah... 08:38, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
 * "When tagging or removing material for lacking an inline citation, please state your concern that there may not be a published reliable source for the content, and therefore it may not be verifiable. If you think the material is verifiable, you are encouraged to provide an inline citation yourself before considering whether to remove or tag it."    Your approach seems to suggest that every variety of singing should be contained within the article on "Singing" - which seems an extreme position, to put it mildly.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:46, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
 * No, I'm just not into entire OR articles.  Erpert  blah, blah, blah... 10:16, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

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