User talk:Erpert/Archives/2022/September

Creating navigational templates when there's less than five articles to link to
Hi. Regarding your creation of Template:Fletcher (singer) and any navigational templates you may seek to create in future, please see WP:NENAN. We generally don't create navigational templates when an artist has less than five articles for their works to link to apart from their main article. You may find templates like this nominated for deletion in future. Also, two other points regarding your creation of Girl of My Dreams (album): please see Template:Start date and Template:Duration, which both explicitly state they are for use inside infoboxes (Template:Duration is now basically redundant, as its use is now conded into Template:Infobox album and Template:Infobox song). The duration template should not be used in track listings as it has no use there, and the start date template (per its documentation) should only be used once in the infobox proper (this does not include extant templates, like Template:Singles, embedded into the infobox, which is where you included it). Thanks.  Ss  112   12:29, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * In addition, disambiguation page guidelines state we show the disambiguator in the link like so: .  Ss  112   12:35, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

The duration template isn’t used in track listings? Just about every track listing I have ever come across has done this; is that a new guideline?  Erpert  blah, blah, blah... 23:33, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm not aware of which album articles you're referring to (though I am sure there are some out there that mistakenly use the duration template in track listings), but yes, it's not supposed to be used in anything other than music infoboxes per its documentation (Template:Duration). Its purpose is to emit microformats so that the outputted duration can be used for cataloguing by certain computer programs. This has no use in track listing templates, and if anything may convolute the outputted hAudio microformat data for that page, which is undesirable.  Ss  112   07:20, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, I've just come across your edit on Man's Best Friend (The Ren & Stimpy Show). Please note that simple descriptions of plots have never required a source on Wikipedia, per MOS:PLOT: "Because works of fiction are primary sources in their articles, basic descriptions of their plots are acceptable without reference to an outside source." Like MOS:ALBUM, the source is considered the work itself. This is generally supposed to be uncontroversial because plots should only describe what happens, not what something means or is intended to mean, which is where most disagreements would arise.  Ss  112   07:26, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

The plot was removed because it wasn’t encyclopedic, not because it didn’t have a source. Why are you spending so much time critiquing my edits lately anyway?  Erpert  blah, blah, blah... 04:39, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Erpert, please respect WP:BRD and don't edit war. I already reverted your removal of the plot. If you continue to revert, I'm informing an administrator as you should know edit warring isn't acceptable. You made a bold edit, I reverted you; it should have ended there. You said in your summary that it was "unsourced", not "unencyclopedic". That being said, having just gone through it, yes, some of the turns of phrase were perhaps a bit silly (although it is Ren & Stimpy, so it is a bizarre show, and there is a scene of "butt push-ups") so I've rewritten them. If that's what you meant by "unencyclopedic", okay, hopefully the problem is solved. Otherwise I don't see how it's unencyclopedic now—if you still believe it is, please either elaborate here or propose on the article talk page what you think should be changed about it. It's a pretty basic description of the plot, which again, does not need a source per MOS:PLOT. Also, this thread has only concerned two articles (one of which is a recently released album that you expanded from a redirect I made—and then saw you had put a navigational template on—and I edited the "Man's Best Friend" article last month before you edited it)—I don't see how that's "so much time" spent on a "critique" of your edits. Please focus on the content of what I'm talking about.


 * I'm also now concerned that you're just not going to listen to me. After pointing out Template:Duration should not be used anywhere but in infoboxes and Template:Start date should only be used once in an infobox (you can find this information on the linked pages), you then made The S(ex) Tapes, misusing the templates again. Sorry for all the edits clarifying this message, but please take this advice on board and avoid misusing the templates.  Ss  112   12:35, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Three things:

1) I removed the plot; you reverted it; I removed it again and clarified my reasoning; then you reverted again; which means that I reverted once and you reverted twice.

2) If you bothered to read Template:Duration, it says right there that that template is indeed meant to be used in the manner that I have been using it. If you have a problem with said usage in general, start a discussion on that template’s talk page.

3) Finally, stop following me around and reverting my work, or you’ll be the one who gets reported to admins (and while you’re at it, stay off my talk page).  Erpert  blah, blah, blah... 15:30, 24 September 2022 (UTC)


 * What are you talking about, if I bothered to read Template:Duration? The very section you linked to says "This template can be used in: ". Do you see Template:Track listing listed there? No, you don't. I already explained above it is not designed for use in the track listing template, only infoboxes. Learn what microformats are and how they work, and you need to read. Following you around? I just explained I edited the Ren and Stimpy episode article last month before you ever did, and I edit all recent album articles that have been released and chart. Girl of My Dreams is a redirect I made. Don't try and tell me it's hounding when it's a redirect I made, and then you go link The S(ex) Tapes from that article and think that I'm not going to visit that. Please stop changing your story, don't edit war and please actually read the templates' documentation. Thanks. I have no use in coming back here again if you do those pretty basic things.  Ss   112   19:35, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Your recent editing history at The S(ex) Tapes shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See the bold, revert, discuss cycle for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing&mdash;especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring&mdash;even if you do not violate the three-revert rule&mdash;should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.  Ss  112   19:38, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * A single revert does not constitute an edit war. More importantly, you do not get to make your own rules on Wikipedia, nor do you get to warn other users against doing behavior that you are engaging in yourself. Go away or I'm taking you to WP:ANI.  Erpert  blah, blah, blah... 19:44, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Ss112
If you don't want him in your talk page, that's fine. But if you two are going to continue to revert and clash with each other, you absolutely need to to keep discussing on article talk pages. Banning someone from your talk page is not a substitute for discussing or following WP:BRD. I've reviewed some discussions. Both of you need to start discussing more on article talk pages. These are simple content disputes. Please just discuss on the talk page before this spirals out of control. Sergecross73  msg me  23:05, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Discussing on talk pages is exactly what I suggested above.  Erpert  blah, blah, blah... 23:41, 24 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Great, I've suggested the same to Ss112. Hopefully you both can sort things out soon. Thanks. Sergecross73   msg me  00:15, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Concerning the 3O request
Hello, I was brought here from 3O and have read through the above dispute. Without getting into the weeds of the template usage details, I do not think a third opinion on your talk page would help at this point, since you've asked the other editor not to comment on your talk page, making further discussion here impractical. However this seems to be a multi-faceted dispute over quite a few things including duration templates and infobox usage as well as the "Creating navigational templates when there's less than five articles to link to" issue. If you'd rather take the discussion off your talk page, what I might suggest is starting a discussion in a more centralized location, such as Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Pop music if this is about the general concept of usage of the template (and other issues) on such articles, rather than an issue with a single article. As far as the duration template and other infobox-specific disputes, I would suggest carefully reading through the template documentations and perhaps asking on the template talk pages for any clarification if there is any ambiguity (or for example in the context of Template:Duration, the associated WikiProject Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Microformats which might have more editors watching than the template itself). I hope this helps and I'm sorry I reached the conversation at the point where it's no longer an active conversation, but I hope this helps and if discussion continues and you still reach and impasse you are more than welcome to open a new WP:3O or use WP:DRN, as appropriate. I hope you two are able to resolve the issue in a way that benefits you both, and Wikipedia, because what is evident is that even though you're both disagreeing, you're both ultimately trying to improve the content, and I think that might be a useful thing to keep in mind. - Aoidh (talk) 01:17, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * The editor who responded in the above section pretty much detailed the point of view that I was making to begin with; in addition, I even suggested that the other editor start a discussion on that template’s talk page (to which they haven’t). But I appreciate your input.  Erpert  blah, blah, blah... 01:20, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Simone Hines DOB
Hi there,

You sent me a msg in April regarding the changes I made on Simone Hines’ page. I am her manager and I have a copies of legal documents that confirm her age. How can we get this change to remain permanent? I can be reached at rambler@gmail.com, or Simone can be contacted directly at hinesightinc@gmail.com. Please advise.

Thank you. Brian Barrett 2600:4041:4101:3D00:E826:15C3:FF0C:E7B3 (talk) 03:36, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * If you are her manager, then it is rather problematic if you are working on her article at all. Please read WP:COI.  Erpert  blah, blah, blah... 03:45, 29 September 2022 (UTC)