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Dongxiang language in Arabic script?
Hi! On Dongxiang people two images have been labeled as Dongxiang language in Arabic script:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6e/Flickr_-_Omar_A._-_Linxia.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b3/Flickr_-_Omar_A._-_IMG_2200.jpg

While I have some understanding about Dongxiang language, I cannot read the Arabic script. But we would know much more if you could tell whether these images are actually in Arabic or rather in some other language? Thanks for your help! G Purevdorj (talk) 16:22, 15 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi, the first picture has Arabic language text. The text on the wall is not a common style, which means it would be hardly legible to people who are not familiar with Arabic script, however it reads: لا إله إلا الله محمد رسول الله (There is no deity but Allah, Muhammad is the messenger of Allah). What's written on the window is الله (Allah). What's written on the carpet is Koranic verses. I couldn't decipher the text on the second picture, so I'm not able to know if that is in Arabic scipt. --Mahmudmasri (talk) 16:52, 15 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I've talked to someone who's familiar with such things, and he's read the the second inscription as Arabic as well. Just as I expected. -- Vmenkov (talk) 23:12, 15 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks! G Purevdorj (talk) 06:07, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

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Kerala
Please do not add Malayalam text to the article as it was discussed and decided by the community on WT:IND that we will not add texts other than the IPA name. I hope you'll understand. Cheers!  TheSpecialUser TSU 10:44, 19 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I couldn't find the discussion you talked about in the page, additionally, it's standard in Wikipedia to provide the names of non-English places in local languages. --Mahmudmasri (talk) 21:56, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
 * This is it! 'Using IPA to clarify pronunciation' is the consensus of this discussion  TheSpecialUser TSU 01:19, 20 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Finding that archived discussion, I don't see that there was any consensus reached on whether to only use IPA and additionally it was clear from the discussion that the native scripts would be used in geographic related articles, which is the case for Kerala. It is standard in Wikipedia to add the non-English name of non-English speaking places, somewhere in the article, usually in the lead. I don't see the logic of refraining from doing so for Indic languages? Finally, your current edit for Kerala makes it obscure to know in which language is the IPA of the pronunciation, is it Hindi, English or what? --Mahmudmasri (talk) 02:51, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * IPA is just used to demonstrate how to spell the word. It has nothing to do about what language is it. Use of regional language is discouraged since this is english wikipedia and the language will merely be understood by the person knowing Malayalam. As far as the thing goes that people should know that Kerala is a word from that language, anyone can make it out from reading the infobox or the article in demographics section. IPA is general pronunciation and it doesn't make any difference in languages but it is used to clarify the wording.  TheSpecialUser TSU 05:07, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I know it is an English language encyclopedia, that had never been a reason to eliminate etymological information. IPA is used to demonstrate the pronunciation of any language, as in the case of Kerala, it was in Malayalam, not in English, I'll explain below. Having the original word helps reconstruct the word and meaning by native speakers, if for any reason it was confused with another word, because it happens many times, as for the case of Arabic language, terms or names are confused, as for: حمزة / همزة, both are pronounced differently but are transcribed hamza. I saw this حمزة redirecting to hamza and asked for deleting the redirect! Another example: واحد / وحيد, both are often written in English as Wahid. Also, not all speakers of Arabic can interpret IPA, but they would understand the Arabic text to reconstruct and disambiguate from. The use of in IPA transcribing English, is for an alveolar approximant, while in the official IPA, it's for an alveolar trill; the original Malayalam word is pronounced  which can be approximated to  in English, do you see the difference? Again, I insist on adding the original name in the original text, if not in the lead, in the infobox, to enrich the article. Thanks. --Mahmudmasri (talk) 06:16, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Mahmudmasri, Please avoid it. Now the article: Kerala, is a Good Article Nominee and if you are trying escalate this issue at this point against the general consensus to avoid Indic scripts, I'm afraid, it will adversely affect the GA promotion of the article. Moreover, I'm sure no person, who knows Malayalam, will found it difficult to pronounce Kerala/Keralam; hence in this case including Indic script is not useful for even the target readers. The global users who can't read Malayalam, are not by any means benefited from this inclusion. Hence in the case of Kerala, it may please be avoided.  AshLey  Msg 09:12, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not escalating anything. The archived discussion had all opinions. There was no consensus on cleaning the articles off of indic scripts. It is irrational and counter enriching, anyway. Take a look at articles tagged as good articles having the names provided in other scripts: Tel Aviv - Bahrain - Bulgaria. The infobox template has the dedicated section native_name, which can be used to add the name in local script. I don't see that I misused the style of Wikipedia. Additionally, you also removed the brackets between the IPA transcription and removed the notice that it is the Malayalam pronunciation. --Mahmudmasri (talk) 09:45, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot for pointing out the issues in my revert. I respect your opinion, and from my personal experience I also know the fact that consensus in wiki is not comprehensive always. But, I'm of the opinion that Wikipedians have to take it to the next higher level of dispute resolution, if not satisfied with the rough consensus.  AshLey  Msg 09:47, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

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Chittagong
Hi Mahmud! Can you please create an article on Chittagong in Egyptian Arabic Language? Thanks -- Zayeem (talk) 15:20, 19 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello. There is already an article available in Egyptian Arabic for it: w:arz:چيتاجونج. --Mahmudmasri (talk) 15:26, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh yes just saw it, thanks! Sorry to disturb you! :) -- Zayeem (talk) 15:38, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Climate of Erfut
That is why I included a borderline case between an ocenaic climate and a humid continental climate since the mean temperature in that article would probably be around -3 C and 0 C in January, making it a borderline case.Ssbbplayer (talk) 00:03, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Ottoman Navy name
Hi there! I'm writing to you just because I've seen some of your edit on the page about the Ottoman language, so I'm here to kindly ask your help to find the correct name in Ottoman script (arabic alphabet and its transliteration) for the Ottoman Navy. At the Italian language wikipedia we have a naming policy for military units, and we have to use the original name for each country armed force. The problem is that the current name is Osmanlı Donanması wich seem to be the modern turkish name. Can you help me? Thank you in advance. Best regards. --Nicola Romani (talk) 13:55, 25 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't understand Ottoman Turkish. However, even that name, Osmanlı Donanması could be different from what used to be in Ottoman Turkish as it had an outdated grammar. Based on that name I can speculate that the second word comes first and Osmanlı be: عثمانی Osmânî, but I have no idea what would Donanması be. --Mahmudmasri (talk) 23:53, 25 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you! --Nicola Romani (talk) 12:00, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

German spelling
Hi Mahmud. The Wikipedia convention is to spell placenames in Germany with an "ß" as in the original, unless there is widespread English usage with "ss" e.g. Giessen. It would therefore be appreciated if you did not annotate articles with an alternative spelling using "ss" e.g. at Meißendorf etc. If you disagree with the convention, please raise it at the WikiProject Germany talk page, but be aware that this subject has been thrashed out before. Cheers. --Bermicourt (talk) 20:19, 29 March 2013 (UTC)


 * You rushed and failed to leave the style edit of lang-de there. That debate did not prevent any user from writing an alternative spelling at the beginning of the articles! If you understood something else, maybe you misunderstood it. The debate was about those who change the articles' titles and remove all the sharp-esses of articles. I did not do that. I only did as the rule said, that I should explain how the word is written (pronounced) in an English-friendly spelling. --Mahmudmasri (talk) 21:21, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

List of buses
I can't help but notice that you've copied and pasted

== See Also == * List of buses

to virtually every page on a bus chassis or bus body.

May I ask why? Bluebird207 (talk) 15:06, 3 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Not really. In many pages I didn't paste them the same way, you can check, and they are in less than half of the pages about buses. Portals and lists should be easily found and readily available. You reminded me to continue the work :) --Mahmudmasri (talk) 17:41, 3 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, in that case, may I suggest spelling "also" with a small 'a'? Spelling it with a capital 'A' doesn't look right, IMHO... Bluebird207 (talk) 18:46, 3 May 2013 (UTC)


 * You are right. --Mahmudmasri (talk) 09:15, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

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Stray Unicode characters
Hi Mahmud, please do not add narrow no-break spaces to Wikipedia articles, as you did to Nice, per the relevant part of the Manual of Style. In fact a normal non-breaking space makes no sense to me where you're putting it: is there a particular reason you're adding them? Graham 87 15:23, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
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Gaza etymology
Hi Mahmud, could you add a source to back your recent additions to the Etymology section of the Gaza article. Thank you. --Al Ameer son (talk) 14:24, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Added. --Mahmudmasri (talk) 15:33, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but I was actually talking about a source to back this part of the statement: "The name entered English through ..." The refs added only make clear what the name of the city is in Greek or in Biblical Hebrew but not about whether the name Gaza is derived from those names (unless I'm missing something). Also I didn't see anything about its Phoenician roots. Besides the article being a GA, the Etymology section has been a contentious issue in the past so it's important we bring in specific and quality sources to back any material added. As it stands now, it appears to be original research. --Al Ameer son (talk) 18:24, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
 * You could call it unreliable or not enough, but it's not my original research. I didn't come up with that. Feel free to edit the sentence the way you see it fit. --Mahmudmasri (talk) 02:18, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not saying the sources are unreliable (dictionaries are generally RS), they just don't support what the text says. Unfortunately, I'm gonna have to remove the text unless a source could be brought that supports the statement: "The name entered English through the Greek name ... which came from the Biblical Hebrew name, which came from the Phoenician name ..." Anyhow, feel free to restore it if you do find such a reference that is RS. --Al Ameer son (talk) 02:46, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Egyptian pound
Hi,

First of all, let me start by saying that nowhere is the spelling ملليم used, officially or unofficially. Go back to pictures of 1 and 2 millieme coins and you'll see for yourself: http://p.twimg.com/A2FagJUCYAAeQrB.jpg:large (one ل with a shadda, not two ل's) and http://my.mec.biz/attachment.php?attachmentid=123025&d=1330973298 (one ل without a shadda). Second, about the pronunciation of "geni" in Alexandria. Not in my life have I heard anyone say it with the definite article while retaining the pronunciation of the L in "el". It's almost all the time merged with the word to be "eg'geni". If in some cases it is indeed "el geni", then in this case you should mention both pronunciations, not just one.

--Mamdu (talk) 08:33, 23 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for responding. First, Egyptian Arabic, as a language, is not standardized. Second, in Wikipedia articles we don't have to provide all the possible pronunciations, since the article does not deal with Egyptian Arabic phonology and it's not a dictionary. So, as a general rule, we stick to the most common pronunciation. Finally, I hear Alexandrians and mostly they don't assimilate the definitive article before . The case is different for the fake and exaggerated accents we hear in soap operas on TV, they are even recognized as fake by Alexandrians themselves. --Mahmudmasri (talk) 11:22, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Invitation to a Wicnic in Gainesville on Saturday, June 22nd
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Köppen
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 * Thanks robot. You are right. I thought that mercury (the metal's article) was the main article, while others had different titles. --Mahmudmasri (talk) 19:06, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

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Template:Lhasa weatherbox
This accusation is patently false. I made my revert precisely because you rounded off normal values which showed as .0. This is disrespectful of the source, which, apart from percentages, reports to the nearest one-tenth of a unit (it in fact multiplies by 10 for the final product). Regardless of whether Weather box properly displays them, per WP:MOS, proper &minus; input is compulsory. So your edits have no basis (and are pointless) whatsoever. GotR Talk 15:04, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
 * It's not the first time that I notice someone on Wikipedia uses Twinkle and makes a mistake. The template didn't have all the minuses written with the minus sign, some were dashes and weather box automatically converts them to minuses for simplicity and consistency for editors. The .0 means nothing, however numbers less than 1 shouldn't be written without a leading zero 0., I corrected that (like .8 → 0.8) and you insist on reverting, giving me a reason to believe you refuse to check what was actually edited. Computer-calculated numbers would add .0 (as in 17.0 which should be 17) when they are automated to round to one decimal but they do not understand that zero after the point means nothing. 17 = 17.0 = 17.00 = 17.0000000. I haven't rounded any numbers. I was writing them in a human-readable manner. --Mahmudmasri (talk) 20:33, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
 * You continue yet to refuse to acknowledge the unfaithfulness to the source. Anything else is unimportant. GotR Talk 01:41, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

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The Melburnian candles
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Natural language in computing
Hi.

I am calling in reference to edits in Template:Infobox OS/doc. "Natural language" in computing is different from natural language in linguistics. While the latter refers to what you said, the former does not. In computing, the "natural language" is a counterpart of markup language and programming language. And it has nothing to do with language theory or interlanguage; it is just what developers use to refer to their localization resources.

"Human language", on the other hand, is a bad choice because markup languages and programming languages are also human languages. Even machine language is meant for humans. If you have a linguistics background and feel uncomfortable with "natural language", all you have to do is to consider the computing meaning.

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 * I am aware of the conflict between using terms by coders and linguistics. However, I don't think that what is meant should be obscure in Wikipedia. I believe it doesn't have a problem [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_OS/doc&diff=prev&oldid=573897437 now] calling it human language, since the given examples are (English, French, Italian, Arabic, ...), which means that the line is about human languages, not coding languages, therefore calling it human language is the least ambiguous. By the way, I gave an example [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_OS/doc&diff=prev&oldid=573884266 in the summary] with Interlingua not interlanguage. It's a name for an artificial human language. So, you see, communicating languages don't have to be natural at all so as they don't have to be spoken. Best regards, too. --Mahmudmasri (talk) 12:25, 22 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi. I am not sure I am getting the second part of your comment. (Well, I know about both interlingua and interlanguage; they are totally unrelated.) Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 03:16, 23 September 2013 (UTC)


 * OK, ignore it. --Mahmudmasri (talk) 08:45, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

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Isopsephy of Persian letters
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Thanks for your help on the climate section
I noticed that you have been working hard with the climate section in several articles and I want to thank you for doing it. Climate is probably one of the most under edited parts of this wiki, especially the data or the description about it. I also appreciate for changing the precipitation colour (with good reasons) in some of the weatherboxes to the green colour scheme. They look much better than with the blue colour scheme and also make the weatherbox easier to read. I find that it is more better in describing the vegetation (how thick it is) and show that precipitation contributes significantly to the growth of vegetation and hence make the landscape green. The blue colour does not really make this obvious, gives it a chilly impression on some places, and blends into the record lows, precip days and humidity. Keep up the good work. Ssbbplayer (talk) 03:07, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * You're very welcome, however, I change the precipitation color when it blends with other near lines' colors to an indistinguishable extent. --Mahmudmasri (talk) 10:17, 24 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Could you clarify that a bit? I am a bit confused. Ssbbplayer (talk) 16:01, 26 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Compare the colors of the lines of precipitation, precipitation days and humidity between both versions:
 * [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Quito&oldid=578309442#Climate all blue]
 * [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Quito&oldid=578825558#Climate green and blue]
 * --Mahmudmasri (talk) 20:50, 26 October 2013 (UTC)


 * I saw it. The second looks much better than the first one (particularly the green precipitation colours). I understand your rationale behind it. Ssbbplayer (talk) 02:49, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

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Summer time
In response to your comment on my page, I would respectfully point out that your editing comment read
 * ... its wrong to claim it is chiefly called summer time in Britain

The second part of your comment is incorrect in that, in Britain, it IS "chiefly called summer time" - in fact, not only "chiefly", but usually and officially. That is the reason that I reverted your edit.

From your comments on the Talk page of the article, I now understand that what you actually meant was:
 * it's wrong to claim it is chiefly called summer time ONLY in Britain

or
 * it's wrong to claim it is called summer time chiefly in Britain

Now that you've clarified your meaning, I do not disagree with you.

Incidentally, the reference linking 'summer time' and 'Britain' came about from my previous edit where I objected to 'summer time' merely being referred to as a British English variation, whereas the terminology is a national issue - not merely a language issue, and I did not want (at that time) to presume about terminology in other countries.

I note that you've already seen some of my subsequent edits, and I think that, between us, the overall result is an improvement. I hope you agree. TrevorD (talk) 15:47, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Romanization of Arabic
Mahmudmasri, you have continued to delete the arabeasy section of this page without providing a counter argument, please explain. 00:55, 28 August 2014‎ Mahmudmasri (talk | contribs)‎. . (30,086 bytes) (-160)‎. . (→‎Comparison table: no more transliterations) (undo)

Dear Mahmudmasri,

Concerning your removal of the Arabeasy system due to "no more non-prominent schemes" from the comparison table, this system has many automatic tools and users on the net, and will soon be featured in the Journal of Language and Cultural Education (jolace.com) at the end of January. It may be less prominent than some others, but is important due to its unique features of readability, 8 bit ascii compatibility and one-to-one mapping with Arabic. Could you please undo the changes.

Best regards, Ouiliam — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ouiliam (talk • contribs) 08:04, 16 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia has some criteria to add content, such as Notability, No original research. Additionally, the comparison table compares between the most used transliterations. If you believe it should not be in Wikipedia, try creating an article for it. --Mahmudmasri (talk) 13:11, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

OK, will have to wait till publication.

Best, Ouiliam — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ouiliam (talk • contribs) 02:43, 17 January 2014 (UTC)


 * That discussion indicates that Arabeasy should be included in the article: Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/ArabEasy (software). --Mahmudmasri (talk) 21:04, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

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 * [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Atfih&diff=592663714&oldid=592661482 Corrected]. --Mahmudmasri (talk) 17:36, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

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 * [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_radio_stations_in_Israel&diff=595790727&oldid=595724307 Fixed]. --Mahmudmasri (talk) 22:39, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

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Hello. To mass changes of colors (pastels, green) in the articles must be consensus. After discussion no consensus to use pastels and green colours. There is only a consensus to apply the violet instead blue in the code of weatherbox (mainly in "Average low °C (°F)", Record low °C (°F) line). Your changes to the colors (pastels, green) were automatically withdrawn. Subtropical -man  talk   (en-2)   11:24, 23 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Be more rational, because I only edit the colors when it's absolutely necessary. Even if you were the one who created or mostly edited the template. Color options are there for a reason. When all the highs are in the late 20s and early 30s, they are difficult to see. I don't have to write that on all discussion pages. When the precipitation or rain is more than 200 per month, the color appears black or when its too little with the lows around 1, both colors look the same. --Mahmudmasri (talk) 21:39, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
 * To mass changes of colors (pastels, green) in the articles must be consensus. It does not have to be on each page of the discussion. I understand, one or three article but dozens is too much and must be consensus. If you do not stop - you will be blocked. Subtropical -man   talk   (en-2)   22:00, 23 February 2014 (UTC)


 * You are the one who would be blocked for being counter-productive and for your false claims! Continue your argument there, Template_talk:Weather box and be rational. --Mahmudmasri (talk) 22:02, 23 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Stop acting like a child. Subtropical -man   talk   (en-2)   22:25, 23 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Argue there, Template_talk:Weather box. --Mahmudmasri (talk) 22:30, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

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