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WikiProject U.S. Congress
I'd like to thank you for your work on some of the congressional district articles, especially Oregon. I'd also like to invite you to join Project Congress where we try to coordinate the efforts of quite a few good wikipedians tackling the quite numerous articles needed to adequately document that storied institution. Take a look at the project page to see the project scope and some resources, scroll down to the bottom and sign up, then keep doin' what your doin' with the congressional articles. Good luck.--G1076 19:33, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Oregon stuff
Thanks for all your hard work on the Oregon political articles, especially the ones that will be affected by today's election. And I'm glad to see you joined WikiProject Oregon. Welcome and happy editing! Katr67 17:48, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Dead link on Denny Smith article
Hi. On Denny Smith, the URL in a cite you added seems to now point to a different and unrelated article. Since it was an intermediate online republication of a NY Times article, the print version should probably be cited and the link removed, but I thought I would check with you before doing anything further. -- &quot;J-M&quot; (Jgilhousen) 09:37, 17 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for spotting that. I was editing several articles at once and I guess my clipboard had the wrong URL on it when I pasted. Anyway, it works now. It requires a NY Times subscription, but I figure it's OK because it contains all the appropriate info if someone wants to get the paper version instead of springing for the free online subscription. -- Sprkee 19:41, 18 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for correcting it. I took the liberty of adding the rest of the bibliographic info to the cite for the print edition per MoS, and noted it as requiring subscription for viewing online (although people would find that out pretty fast by clicking on it.)  I think this article is overdue for expansion, but I've got a ton of others on my "to do" list.  By the way, I use Citation templates to make sure I don't leave something out in my ref's, and they automagically format properly. -- &quot;J-M&quot; (Jgilhousen) 21:50, 18 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Great. Thanks. It sounds like we are working on the same types of articles. Good to know someone else will read it and clean up the mess. ;-) I discovered those templates as well, I just haven't gotten around to retrofitting everything. Thanks again. -- Sprkee 21:58, 18 December 2006 (UTC)


 * By the way, how did you figure out what page the article was on? I don't see it in the online version. Sprkee 22:00, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Bow Down To Washington
Hello -- yes, if I copy/paste the URL I can access the mp3, but they seem to perhaps be banning deep links from Wikipedia. If you click on the link instead of pasting in the URL, you get a "Forbidden" notice along with a 404. I think we shouldn't be deep-linking in that case. There are several audio files for the song on http://www.lib.washington.edu/Music/bowdown.html. We could also link to that fightmusic page, but he doesn't provide a way to link directly to his Washington section. Thoughts? ManekiN e ko | Talk 14:33, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Pat on the back
Great job with the Oregon sports articles (Buckaroos & Power), as well as your usual work on Gov stuff. I've been trying to think of other sports articles that are missing to add to the list, can you think of any? If so add them to the "Create" list, plus when you come accross stubs add them to the "Expand" section. Hopefully we'll get a few more members to the sub project one day and its always an easy place for a newbie to start. Again, good job. Aboutmovies 23:38, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

DYKs
No problem. I'll leave as is, unless the DYK people object. In the future, if you put the sources/references in when you start the article, the AlexBot machine will classify it as a "good" article. Not GA status, but a good start and the article will then be listed on the DYK talk page. Then the DYK folks will often nominate from that list. That's why I have had quite a few, I write most of the article offline collecting references as I go, then paste when I think I'm done. Just a hint if you want more, and personally I think they help the project by giving us recogniztion and front page coverage. Also normally gets extra editors involved. Aboutmovies 21:52, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

NFL MVP
I reverted your edit but made the one paper smaller see the talk page. Feel free to comment so we can reach a consensus. Quadzilla99 20:18, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Something shiny
Yes, nice work. I was telling Aboutmovies that even though I have very little interest in sports, your efforts have made the topic interesting to me. Oh, and BTW, "Crumpacker" is now my favorite politician name, replacing "Dingfelder". Cheers! Katr67 00:43, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Crumpacker
If you either email me using the links to the right or enable your email, and can send you something on you and Katr's new hero/love of your life/obsession/messiah/etc. Aboutmovies 00:52, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Hope you enjoy the saga. Aboutmovies 06:44, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

So funny
I just spent like an hour writing an article on Jean Saubert. When I finally pressed Submit, I found that you had already written one! Yours is more complete and better formatted than mine, so it's all okay, but maybe I'll add a few tidbits that I had included in mine. Charolastra charolo 22:39, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Zena or Zenas Ferry Moody
Hi, you redirected Zena Ferry Moody to Zenas Ferry Moody, completely taking out the variant "Zena" spelling of the name, claiming it only appears to be a typo on one website. Did you check out the authors of that website or how do you substantiate the claim that "Zena" is based on a typo or that it is a form spread by wikipedia?

Swedish wikipedia still has his name as sv:Zena Ferry Moody, not because the English-language variant previously stated so (that article was pretty much useless to begin with before you improved it a lot) but because the best available online source (www.plso.org biography by William W. and Jeanne E. Glenn) spells the name so.

I'm no specialist on Greek names but I suspect that neither are you. Still, I've seen Zorba the Greek and met, say a Greek dude whose name is Costas yet everybody says Costa. Zorba or Zorbas the Greek? For most English-speakers probably Zorba, yet for speakers of many other languages Zorbas. So that's a fictitious character, yet I'd say Zorbas is a given name and Zorba is the nickname (a little bit like Russian names, Ivan is called Vanya by everybody).

So if this Oregon Governor had Greek ancestry, it is completely plausible that the name on his birth and death certificate is spelled Zenas, yet he may have been called "Zena" (like William Clinton is called "Bill" Clinton). I have no evidence that he was called so, yet the www.plso.org biography made me suspect that it would've been his popular nickname and not a typo. I hope somebody who is either an expert on Oregon history or an expert on the Zenas/Zena name could help out (me knowing that Zorbas equals Zorba or Costas equals Costa doesn't make me an expert on the name Zenas, especially as I haven't studied Greek or don't know how Greek Americans prefer their nicknames or if Governor Moody got the name for other reasons than ethnicity). 128.214.205.4 07:23, 25 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, and another website that often has plenty of facts on former Governors is National Governors' Association www.nga.org (it's a long link but it can be googled) - they call him ZENAS PERRY MOODY. Now that Perry must be a typo on one website. 128.214.205.4 07:39, 25 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Just to add that I haven't got the slightest clue to Governor Moody's ethnic backgroud. I checked out the entry "Zenas" at the WebBible Encyclopedia where it says:

a disciple called "the lawyer" whom Paul wished Titus to bring with him (Titus 3:13). Nothing more is known of him.

Since this Greek name has this Biblical reference people of any ethnicity can have taken it from the Bible and baptized their son after someone there who was known to be "the lawyer". 128.214.205.4 07:50, 25 May 2007 (UTC)


 * It seemed that most websites used "Zenas" as his actual name, including the Oregon State Archives, which include transcriptions of his documents and speeches, which I considered to be more accurate. It is certainly possible that someone in the Oregon state archives made a mistake, but I would hope that is less likely than the Professional Land Surveyors doing so. Another user who made extensive use of a hard-copy book about Oregon history after my edits made no changes, so I assume that he found no problems with changing to "Zenas" from "Zena." I will ask him to comment here as well, since I don't have access to that book. I doubt that "Zena" was a nickname he used; part of the problem is that he appears to have mostly used his initials, "Z.F." So I think the way we have it now, with "Zenas" as the primary name and "Zenas" as a redirect makes the most sense. --Sprkee 14:10, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Looking at my sources, including "The Dictionary of Oregon History" which is basically a compilation of info from newspapers and the Oregon History Quarterly from OHS, it shows Zenas. So I think leaving it with Zenas is good, but maybe a little note saying it is sometimes referred to as Zena just in case someone with bad info is looking for Zena Moody. Aboutmovies 22:52, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I think we're good with the way it is now with the redirect. --Sprkee 04:08, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * OK guys, thanks for your answers. I'm pretty convinced that his official name was Zenas and that's certainly why most sources point there. The only thing I suspected was that his family or friends might have called him "Zena" anyway. As he himself appears to have preferred "Z.F.", I think that's at least great to have mentioned in the article. The land surveyors article does contain some typos so the typo theory is certainy not impossible. You guys are doing a great job (the article has indeed become much better), keep up the good work. 128.214.205.4 07:54, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Lists
Per the conversation that's been on the assessment page between you, me, and 75, I believe lists should be classified as lists until they reach FL (featured list status) as they are different in scope than regular articles and do not fall into the regular assessment classifications, that's why there is a seperate listing for lists in featured content seperate from regular articles and no GA class. Personally, I'm not someone that uses lists that much (out of roughly 150 articles I've started only one is a list), and would probably not try to make one into featured status or improve up the food chain, but that's me. I see them as a good Wikipedia tool in the sense of an index and for navigation, but not particularly encyclopedic. But as you pointed out it is more up to WPOR to decide how we want to handle Lists. Maybe we could go with FL (featured list), LA (list A class), LB (list B class), and List (for all other lists)? Your thoughts? Aboutmovies 19:00, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Just an FYI
I put this on another talk page, but in response to your questions, List of Oregon State University alumni got an "A" rating because it met the criteria of being well written, properly referenced and at the stage where it could at least be considered for featured article/list status. - Theophilus75 19:34, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

An article which you started, or significantly expanded, William R. Ellis, was selected for DYK!
Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid64 (talk) 20:24, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Douglas-fir
Hey I saw you assessing our fine state tree and just thought I'd let you know that some time ago, I had a discussion with a plant-type person about which Doug fir should be tagged with our project's tag. Make of that what you will, but I'm not sure both the main species and the sub-species should be in the project... Katr67 23:07, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for chiming in...that's what I thought too. I was going to remove the tag from the genus page, but then I opened a can of Oregon hairy tritons. The Oregon page, the List of U.S. state trees page, and probably others refer to the Douglas-fir, and in fact, so does the statute that says its our state tree. So I was reluctant to redirect everything to Coast Douglas-fir even though obviously that's what the legislature wanted to designate. So I did nothing. Until the legislature fixes the problem (and we better tell 'em!), maybe we should just leave both there. Or we could be bold. Whaddya think? --Sprkee 23:31, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I think my brain hurts. Katr67 23:38, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Heh. I'm thinking maybe I will just go for the redirect on the Oregon and state tree page and then see if I can lobby a 4th grader to write an Oregon legislator about an issue that only that kind of constituent could get action on. --Sprkee 23:46, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Awards time, featuring the big gold dude


Yes, thanks for all your hard work! Katr67 15:52, 1 June 2007 (UTC)