User talk:Esprqii/Archive7

DYK for Owen Marecic
 — Rlevse • Talk  • 00:02, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

barnstar
my patience was definitely tested, thanks for the recognition. WookieInHeat (talk) 17:32, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

John Warren
Esprqii, FYI, I just recreated a stub for John Warren (basketball coach). I see he's listed on your "Obsessions" page. Jweiss11 (talk) 20:15, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the quick expansion on that one. I'm working on a long-term project to make sure we've got at least a clean, well-formatted stub-to-start class article for every college football head coach. Jweiss11 (talk) 21:02, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

our favorite "model"
Just an FYI that SPAs have returned to the Brett Salisbury article. I think I managed to drive the most recent one off, but please keep the page on your watchlist if you haven't done so already. "The only thing the bowl of petunias thought as it hurtled to the ground was 'Oh no, not again'" Sailsbystars (talk) 19:13, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Spruce Production Division
Materialscientist (talk) 14:06, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Category:Hamlets in Oregon
I'm surprised no one has seen my sneaky joke category addition. Can I put Oregon Shakespeare Festival in there as well? Valfontis (talk) 21:00, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Ha, I missed that one. I think the Umatilla County Fair also has a lot of cute little ham-lets for the kids to pet. --Esprqii (talk) 21:09, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Oregon colors
If OU wants their school colors to be green and yellow, then they should wear green and yellow (as opposed to gray and yellow - no green at all!) when they play for national titles. Saying my hair is blue when it is black is either stupid or crazy or possibly both. Ya digg? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.170.135.174 (talk) 18:34, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * School colors is not the same as uniform colors, but thanks for your comment. --Esprqii (talk) 19:58, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for David Shaw (American football)
HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   18:03, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Book reviews, Robert J. Mrazek Wiki entry
Thank you. There haven't been any negative reviews of Mrazek's books but I can appreciate Wikipedia's position re book reviews in general. I've entered references for the literary awards, including a citation from Wikipedia itself. Ruth-Claire (talk) 20:03, 24 January 2011 (UTC)RuthClaire

As for the second point: I'm amazed that Wikipideia doesn't conform to accepted standards for capitalization (as in: "Congressional" and "District" for "Congressional District" rather than "congressional district," which is incorrect) but I've removed the capital letters to eliminate the red ink.

My local Board of Elections doesn't refer to matters Congressional with a small C. Why does Wikipedia? Ruth-Claire (talk) 23:00, 28 January 2011 (UTC)Ruth-Claire

The Foo post office vs. Foo post office
Actually, it's a post office named "Foo", not "The Foo post office". Because the name of the post office doesn't always correspond to the name of the settlement. And "the" implies it's an actual (and particular) building when often the location of the p.o. moved with the postmaster. The usage without the "the" is the standard throughout The Bible. Don't worry, it doesn't make sense, and I think I've already argued with Tedder and EncMstr about it. So I usually don't revert when they get changed, but if anybody wholesale goes through all my articles to "fix" this, you'll find me nestled in a padded cell up the road. Or maybe I'll be down at the bar with Aunt Betty. Valfontis (talk) 02:33, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
 * P.S. Did you see the interesting bit of Oregon politics COI today? Valfontis (talk) 02:37, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
 * WP:TPS. I don't know that we've argued over it, but I certainly need correction on 'the Foo' versus 'The Foo' versus 'Foo'. What's the COI? tedder (talk) 04:37, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I remember to this day, the mercury-soaked Oregon clay, and how it poisoned the town, and we moved away... Me and you and (the) P.O. named Foo, traveling without articles on the land...


 * Well anyway, who knew? Sorry about that. I just happened across the article because my sister's favorite candy is nonpareils and when I saw there was an Oregon town named that I just had to read about it. Thought maybe I caught a boo-boo but I should've known better. Anyway, I wonder how the town is pronounced? I have a sneaking suspicion it is (was?) pronounced "non-PAIR-ee-yull", especially given the alternate spelling that is probably more accurate as to the pronunciation. I might've missed the COI as well but will poke around and see what I can find. --Esprqii (talk) 15:52, 26 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I thought the dog was named Silverton. Or Bob. Or Bobby McGee. Or something. Non-PAIR-ee-ull? Geesh, that's how I've always prounounced it. But I often talk wrong. I just had to listen to the pronunciation on M-W. Learn something new every day. The COI is from a certain Oregon agency head, former legislator, married to another former legislator, who apparently needed to set the record straight. Happy hunting. Valfontis (talk) 05:18, 27 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I think it was Foo [comma and article redacted] quicksilverton-soaked dog. Yeah, I spotted the COI later, but haven't had a chance to weigh in. And oh...will I. --Esprqii (talk) 05:53, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

"By and by" vs. "Bye and bye"
See Talk:List of Washington state symbols. Thoughts? Also, there may be a discussion about adding unofficial symbols to the Oregon list along the horizon (I am currently discussing this with an editor that disagrees with my reverts.) -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:20, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's what led me to that page. The odd spelling caught my attention right off. I think that "dreamers" slogan is an old pre-recession campaign for sure. --Esprqii (talk) 01:30, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the link. I went ahead and added "The Beaver State" and two slogans to the "Unofficial symbols and unsuccessful proposals" section of the Oregon list--feel free to add more if you are aware of others! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 02:11, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Goldschmidt
I see it now; sorry about that. Ulmanor (talk) 19:58, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Columbia Gorge casino
Hi Esprqii-- Because you participated in Articles for deletion/Columbia Gorge casino, you may want to see this discussion on the article's talk page. Jsayre64 (talk) 02:23, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Harry Lonsdale
Materialscientist (talk) 00:04, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

A football question
Weird, I know, huh? So before I get too carried away disambiguating Frank Lewises (necessitated by the creation of this article), how much of a mess is it that Frank Lewis (football) isn't at Frank Lewis (American football)? Should I go back and fix the ones I've already done or just move the current dab page to the correct one? Valfontis (talk) 23:48, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Eh, probably technically, it should be at American football, but I wouldn't sweat it. After all, there isn't yet a soccer player named Frank Lewis, and there are still lots of plain ol' "football" dabs around. Besides, I say let those other commies around the world change theirs to "World football" to disambiguate the real thing! --Esprqii (talk)

WP:ORE Team Roster
Thanks for the update! For a minute I was afraid you were moving yourself to "inactive"! Valfontis (talk) 00:56, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Oops, from the department of unintentional edit summaries.
 * I was debating whether to remove Andrew Parodi from the list altogether. As I was checking up on him to see if he was still making Oregon edits, it looks like he wanted to disappear. I guess he could do have done it himself, but if he is gone, it might be helpful for us to clean up after him a bit. But I hated to remove a WP:ORE founder. You're the one with the mop now, so crack the binding on that new admin manual and tell me what you think. --Esprqii (talk) 05:07, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd say remove altogether. I found this; I'm pretty sure Parodi went to some other username, as the "to" name listed was never used. Probably just registered a new account without doing a username move, since a username move never fully removes traces of the previous username. Curiously, the user was socking as for a while, and that ended at the CHU time. tedder (talk) 09:04, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually he has lots of socks on this project, but their usage has never been that disruptive, destructive or recent enough to prove. I think he wants to distance himself from his edits about a certain New Thought church. He meant well, but I kinda hope he's found another hobby or at least learned not to insert so much of himself in his work. More on the membership list later. Valfontis (talk) 15:08, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK for United States Senate election in Oregon, 1990
The DYK project (nominate) 16:03, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

About Jost Zetzsche
Dear Esprqii, I see that you suggested that the article Jost Zetzsche be deleted. I understand that maybe there are not enough sources (yet), so I have added the corresponding "translation stub" template. But please, do not delete it, it is a very important figure in the modern world of translation technology (and very commented in translators fora as well). Regards, --Fadesga (talk) 19:39, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

WPORE COTW 2.0 - the picture edition
Greetings one and all. For some of you, this will be your first time receiving one of these messages, as it has been a year since the WikiProject Oregon Collaboration of the Week (COTW) was a regular thing. My hope is it gets back to being a regular thing.

Usually I would go over the past COTW, but we are basically starting out anew. So, without further adieu, this edition is our semi-annual picture drive. We usually try to do it when there is decent weather in the state, and today seems to fit the bill. Now although you are encouraged to go out and take pictures, you can also just search the internet for images that have the proper licensing and upload those. Flickr is one site that has a fair amount of content with the proper licensing (most images on Flickr are not compatible). See WP:COPYRIGHT in general. For some “free” sources, check out the our dormant subproject that has some links to sources.

Lastly, if you need to know what images we need, here are the requests. Please remove the request from the talk page if you add an image.

Finally (this is not image related), as the years have passed, we have lost many good editors, and others, like myself, are no longer in school or are working full-time or both, and thus are less active in the project. The project lives on, but it has created a bit of a power vacuum without a de facto cabal still around all the time. With that in mind, I encourage newer project members to step-up and fill some leadership type roles. Granted, we have no formal ruling junta or anything and no real defined roles, but there are many maintenance type tasks that some of us just took on to keep the project going. For instance, I ran the COTW, was pretty much the only one doing assessments, updating the portal, and even handing out the awards. I am sure others in the project can name what things they have done. The point being, that while I enjoyed those and still do some of those, I simply no longer have the free time to do all of it at a level that the project deserves. That said, I hope to start a discussion at WT:ORE where we can see if some newer editors would like to step-up and take on some of these tasks, which will hopefully make for a more inclusive project, and maybe get us back to the heyday of say 2008 when things were really rocking for WikiProject Oregon.

As always, please click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Aboutmovies (talk) 18:50, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Evidence showing Salisbury was an All-American at Palomar College
I have read the salisbury band wagaon which I am not part of. However, He was a first team all-american quarterback at palomar which you called "puffery"? Here is the conclusive evidence:

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Craft Scroll down to read the 7 all americans coached by tom craft at Palomar.

2. http://www.palomar.edu/athletics/football/history/#All-Americans

3. all 14 news articles » ►Salisbury to Play at Oregon‎ Pay-Per-View - Los Angeles Times - Dec 20, 1990 Brett Salisbury, a 6-foot-3, 200-pound quarterback who was a first team All- America selection at Palomar Junior College, has signed a letter-of-intent to: http://www.google.com/#q=brett+salisbury&hl=en&tbm=nws&source=lnt&tbs=ar:1&sa=X&ei=KTH6TZnTNOiq0AGWuNGJAw&ved=0CBcQpwUoCQ&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=948cf19c80fdbd26&biw=1103&bih=546

4. http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/latimes/access/59981291.html?dids=59981291:59981291&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&type=current&date=Nov+30%2C+1990&author=IRENE+GARCIA&pub=Los+Angeles+Times+(pre-1997+Fulltext)&desc=JC+NOTES+State+Soccer+Title+Is+Goal+of+El+Camino+Women's+Team&pqatl=google

5. San Jose Mercury News : NEWSPAPER CLAIMS SYRACUSE SCANDAL‎ $2.95 - San Jose Mercury News - Dec 20, 1990 Quarterback Brett Salisbury, a first team All-America selection at Palomar ... http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&tbs=ar:1&tbm=nws&source=hp&q=brett+salisbury+all+american&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=948cf19c80fdbd26&biw=1103&bih=546  10 articles on this page alone if you purchase old LA TIMES articles that state Salisbury was a first team all-american.

Puffery?

6. http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/latimes/access/61572362.html?dids=61572362:61572362&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&type=current&date=Dec+06%2C+1991&author=DANA+HADDAD&pub=Los+Angeles+Times+(pre-1997+Fulltext)&desc=Palomar's+Program+Nears+Its+Zenith&pqatl=google 4 Quarterbacks after Division I transfers who became All_american's at Palomar College.

7. He becomes the Comets' seventh All-American quarterback, joining a list that also includes Brett Salisbury (who later played at Oregon), Andy Loveland (who played at Oklahoma State), Tom Luginbill (who played at Georgia Tech) and Andy Goodenough (who played at Arizona State). Chris Keldorf, who went on to become 1997 ACC Player of the Year and set 17 school passing records at the University of North Carolina, did not make the All-America team. http://www.palomar.edu/athletics/football/default06.htm (Scroll down to read this article when you go to sit: (11/28/06)

Let me know if you need any more articles that Salisbury was an All-American Quarterback at Palomar. Can you please overturn the puffery note as you can see I only edit the truth. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikialertoregon (talk • contribs) 16:57, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Also take a look at this: All it does is mention Tom Lugibill the "PALOMAR COLLEGE ALL AMERICAN IN THE WIKIPEDIA ARTICLE? Should that not be stated in the wikipedia article for Salisbury? You tell me. Here is Luginbills PALOMAR JUNIOR COLLEGE STUFF ON WIKIPEDIA same school as Salisbury: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Luginbill (I would say just a bit a puffery on Tom Luginbill at a junior college wouldn't you or is it a keep?)  If one quarterback gets the all american status at palomar so does another. Fair is Fair...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikialertoregon (talk • contribs) 17:04, 16 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Brett, I intended no slight on your record. A junior college All-American is sincerely a great achievement, but I hope you'll agree that the edit gives the impression that you were on the College Football All-America Team, which is how the term is generally applied. I realize that there are many uses of the term, but I would like to avoid ambiguity. In addition, lists of alumni should be short and sweet and free of unnecessary advertisement. Since your other edits focus on promoting your works and yourself, I simply made them as simple and accurate as possible. --Esprqii (talk) 17:29, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

This is Darla Salisbury. I agree with your statement. However the acheivement is at Palomar college where he went to school. However, whatever you say goes. What are you going to do with the Tom Lugibill wikipedia article? Just a bit of self promotion wouldn't you say? Brett Salisbury has more records from palomar than Tom Luginbill. Does junior college all american stuff get to be discussed in ANY wikipedia article? Again...Tom Luginbill: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Luginbill HOw does one all-american Junior College Quarterback get listed with all the records all self hype and yet you leave out that information on my cousin? Just wondering? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.253.98.165 (talk) 17:37, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Brett's article could certainly be updated to include the JC AA information with the references you've provided. Note that Lugibill is not listed on the notable alumni section of Palomar College, so be sure to add him to that page when you do the other updates. Be sure to read up on Wikipedia's self promotion/conflict of interest guidelines first. --Esprqii (talk) 17:46, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

A cousin of a cousin. I don't qualify for conflict of interest. We just share the same last name. I would think you would be better suited to qualify and re-write the article as I don't want to step on any toes. If you notice, take a look at who I have made changes or corrections on. Please view my Contributes section. It will help understand I simply correct and ajust according to what I believe is true. My question is: Is Tom Luginbill worthy enough? If so then you have to add Tom Craft? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Craft ? Where do you start and stop? I will let you make those changes as you are the man in charge. I'm just a little nothing from San Diego trying to help. I never know what is truly notable and who isn't and the Tom Luginbill puffery page is baffling to me. It sounds as if he wrote it himself, yet I will not make a change to that either as I get a different answer from a different senior editor from wikipedia each time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikialertoregon (talk • contribs) 18:05, 16 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Regarding the content of articles about other people, please read WP:OSE. Valfontis (talk) 18:34, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Good to know. Well then I will continue to do what I do and tell the truth as it is told and back everything with proof from articles you consider "notable." We will see if it holds up or not. It will be interesting to see as each editor including yourself pick and choose what is a keep as it comes down to each individual (senior editor) and what they keep or dismiss as "puffery." I would be willing to guess that you have favoritism with anything in the state of Oregon? Or you have a deep love for the state as I see more editing and articles by YOU concerning the state of oregon than any other. So a bias comes in whether you admit it or not. There is no denying it. It shows in your work.

Anyway Thank you for the update. I will see just was is kept and is not as this continues to go on regardless of who I make changes to as it comes down to an opinion of a human being and what is accepted. By you assuming I was Brett above? I found that to be a little assumptious. Don't you think? You need to read the 4 agreements by Don Miguel. It will help you make better decisions before deciding whom your speaking with. Here is that book. I think it would suit you perfectly as you should NEVER ASSUME WHO YOUR SPEAKING WITH OR ASSUME ANYTHING BEFORE YOU KNOW THE FACTS. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikialertoregon (talk • contribs) 20:18, 16 June 2011 (UTC)


 * There are many avenues of dispute resolution if you feel you are being treated unfairly or with bias. Valfontis (talk) 20:52, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

I would never act or do that. Contacting Dispute would be for someone who is a weasel. You have treated me fairly but you simply assumed a little too much. The only bias I have seen is the power in which any senior editor abuses it. We know the wikipedia world has a few of those on board. I think you're fair and balanced and you write very well and make very good points. I also think admitting someone has a weakness is the first step in making it a strength. Thanks for your input, I learned a few things today from you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikialertoregon (talk • contribs) 08:21, 17 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Um, you know that the last couple of replies have been from someone other than Esprqii? Right? Valfontis (talk) 14:47, 17 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank You for making the changes correctly to the website and re wording it. It looks clean. Time to find another project. Have a great weekend. Is UM a word Valfontis? You know better than to start a sentence with a word like that? Right? UM? You're going to lose credibilty with that word-- But hey...HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.

Question - Where is it?
Hello Esprqii, you recently approved the DYK of the article María de las Mercedes Barbudo, article which I created and nominated on June 12, as "ready to go". The thing is that I checked today in the "DYK Talk" and it is not listed anymore. I now that normally when an article is approved it would pass to a Queque or something, but not even. Could you find out what happened and where is it? Tony the Marine (talk) 22:23, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: O.K., I see that it was moved to "prep": Tony the Marine (talk) 22:50, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for United States Senate election in Oregon, 1966
The DYK project (nominate) 06:03, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Adminship
Hi John. How would you feel about becoming an admin? -- &oelig; &trade; 06:52, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

WP Oregon in the Signpost
"WikiProject Report" would like to focus on WikiProject Oregon for a Signpost article. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Other editors will also have an opportunity to respond to the interview questions. If you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Have a great day. -Mabeenot (talk) 01:44, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Lincoln location
indeed. Sigh. tedder (talk) 23:37, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh wow. Weird. I had no idea of the history there. I came upon it quite by chance (I like to check the "popular" pages and see which ones are still Stubs). No idea it is a running controversy. Sounds like a future Aunt Bettyism. --Esprqii (talk) 23:41, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

File:Rufusmallory.jpg listed for deletion
A file that you uploaded or altered, File:Rufusmallory.jpg, has been listed at Files for deletion. Please see the to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Jsayre64 (talk) 03:32, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Rex Putnam
It looks like the article you created was long enough for a DYK nomination (according to this tool)! See Template:Did you know nominations/Rex Putnam. Jsayre64 (talk) 20:25, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I was going to get around to that later, but thanks for taking care of the paperwork. That's pretty much the same DYK I was going to use. --Esprqii (talk) 20:39, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

 * Was that an espresso or a capuccino? --Jsayre64</b> <b style="font-family:Rockwell">(talk)</b> 14:47, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
 * All right, it took five years, but I'm finally getting some service around here! --Esprqii (talk) 15:49, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Rex Putnam
Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:02, 26 August 2011 (UTC)