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Again, welcome! Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 03:41, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Refs
We need page numbers for books. Also try to use sources from the last 5 to 10 years. And read this for formating WP:MEDHOW Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 03:42, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Copy and pasting from sources
In this edit you added:

"(1) bodies tell stories about-and cannot be studied divorced from--the conditions of our existence; (2) bodies tell stories that often--but not always--match people's stated accounts; and (3) bodies tell stories that people cannot or will not tell, either because they are unable, forbidden, or choose not to tell. Just as the proverbial "dead man's bones" do in fact tell tales, via forensic pathology and historical anthropometry, so too do our living bodies tell stories about our lives, whether or not these are ever consciously expressed."

copied word for word from

This is not allowed. You must always paraphrase. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 04:54, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Copy and pasting
You added

"For example, not only is there a clear need for improved access to care for women experiencing PPD, but there is evidence that available PPD care is not equally reachable by all. Women who are minorities, impoverished, and living in urban areas have more difficulty getting the care that is preferred as well as the care that is needed. More attention needs to be given to the services women experiencing PPD need and to the services that are available in order to proactively address this globally emerging mental health care issue. In a recent study measuring the access to care between Caucasian and African American women, more Caucasians received spiritual assistance than did minorities"

ref says


 * Not only is there a clear need for improved access to care for women experiencing PPD, but there is evidence that available PPD care is not equally reachable by all. Women who are minorities, impoverished, and living in urban areas have more difficulty getting the care that is preferred as well as the care that is needed. More attention needs to be given to the services women experiencing PPD need and to the services that are available in order to proactively address this globally emerging mental health care issue. from "Desired assistance versus care received for postpartum depression: access to care differences by race"

Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 06:27, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

December 2014
You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for plagarism. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the following text below this notice:. However, you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 06:28, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
 * By the way the policy for which the block occurred is this one WP:COPYVIO
 * If you are still interested in editing we can unblock you. I just need you to show me a couple of things
 * 1) Find a high quality source WP:MEDRS
 * 2) Summarize that source, see WP:COPYVIO
 * 3) Properly add the ref to support it WP:MEDHOW
 * You can do this below
 * Best Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 03:18, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Okay thank you, I'd really like to be unblocked and I am currently working on revising one of the plagiarized posts so that they meet the guidelines. Then I will post them on my talk and if you have time and do not mind, please take a look at them so that I know that I am on the right track.

Best, Esth270
 * Certainly. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 03:53, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi, Esth270! I'm an admin and a college instructor, too, so I'll put your talk page on my watchlist in case Doc James is unexpectedly not around for a while. I have two pieces of advice, one of which may make your life a bit harder, and one of which may make it a bit easier. When you're rewriting to try to avoid copyright violation, you should try to avoid close paraphrasing. The definition is a bit fuzzy, but basically, you don't want to take the original text, swap a few words for synonyms and rearrange a few sentences and say "There! Not an exact copy." In my experience, an effective way to deal with this is to sit down with the original quote and think "If I were trying to explain this to a friend over lunch, what would I say to them?" You probably wouldn't use all the technical language of the paper, but just give them the main ideas. Write that down! You may look at that and say, "Oh no, this can't be right. It doesn't sound intellectual and academic." That's OK. The point is that you've expressed the ideas in your own words, and they're probably more accessible to a casual reader than the original paper was. And that's really the point here–plain words are often better than fancy ones to show that you understand what the paper is talking about.


 * The medical guidelines are worth looking at–we're very persnickety about medical sourcing here, because so much of what's initially reported in the medical literature turns out to be dubious when it's examined in more detail–but I hope the above will at least help you deal with the copyright violation issues. I know this must be pretty stressful for you, coming at this time in the semester, but everyone's a bit stressed out right now; all the classes that got assigned to edit Wikipedia this semester are dropping article text on us, and so a lot of the medical editors are in that state of terminal crankiness your professors and TAs get when they have 50 term papers to grade in 2 days. Thanks for getting back to us, and I'll do my best to help while I'm proctoring finals and grading. ;) Choess (talk) 04:36, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Choess, I definitely understand, in the future I should take more time to learn about the editing rule and familiarize myself on what constitutes as plagiarism, I'm also meeting with my own professor tomorrow to discuss this. Also thank you for the notice xaosflux.

Choess, for example one quotation from the book, "Stress, Appraisal, and Coping" says "the same events that may be fear-inducing in one culture, anger-inducing in a second, may be benign in a third" (Lazarus & Folkman, p. 228).

My paraphrasing should be as such: What is defined as Postpartum depression can vary for different societies. Its onset is specific to a particular culture’s societal norms and so the way it is induced in one can very drastically in other because its causation illicit different reactions from the other. Would this be appropriate?


 * That source is from 1984. If you are writing about a major topic such as postpartum depression we should be trying to use sources from the last 3 to 5 years.
 * Also please please read WP:MEDRS. You will notice that if you provide the ISBN and page numbers for books or the PMID for journals the editor box will fill in the rest of the details.
 * From the quote you provide it does not appear that it is specifically dealing with postpartum depression. Also notice that postpartum is not capitalized unless it starts a sentence.
 * There are 227 reviews from the last 5 years  Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 05:52, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Update
I found a literature review on PubMed conducted by Anita Jain and David Levy called, "Conflicting cultural perspectives: meanings and experiences of postnatal depression among women in Indian communities"This should be a secondary source and it was published in 2010. I read the review and paraphrased its main points. For example, would this be acceptable?

"The definition of postpartum depression, otherwise known as postnatal depression varies according to culture. The way PPD is defined determines how it is treated and how available treatment is in different communities. Although it is universally recognized problem, some cultures elect to view it as normal entity versus its categorization as an illness, which is a common in western societies such as Europe and the United States. In Indian communities, a new mother engages in ritualistic practices that prevent the onset of PPD. Families play major roles in providing support which includes massages, isolation from others, nutritious diets, and the taking up of household duties by other family members. All this ensures that the new mother is allowed to recover fully and devote her time to caring for her baby. As women step away from the traditional methods of combating postpartum depression and embrace western like alternatives to seeking treatment, they face the stigma that comes along with categorizing PPD as a mental illness. "
 * Hi, Esth270! I'm glad to see you are still with us and working to improve the article content. If you can look up articles in the PubMed search engine, and supply a PubMed identifier (PMID), it will make it much easier to check your sources.  (Wikipedia Signpost/2008-06-30/Dispatches may help you learn to negotiate PubMed. Also, as a minor point, we don't capitalize every word in titles.)  So, the PubMed identifier for that source is PMID 23909400, and you can refer to it by simply typing PMID followed by the number, and a link will automatically be created.  A citation to it, correctly formatted, might look like this (different editors have different citation style, see WP:CITEVAR):
 * You mentioned 2010 in your post above, but I think you meant 2013? So, it is good that you have now found a recent secondary review from which to work.  The next step, then, is editor discussion about the particular source.  I don't have access to the full text of the article, but one question is whether the focus on Indian communities makes this an adequate source for broader statements.  Others with access to the full text of the article might have opinions on that.  Also, editors who don't have access to the full text aren't able to opine on paraphrasing issues.   I hope you'll stick with us as your knowledge of Wikipedia grows ... there's a lot of work to be done in here !  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 13:17, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
 * You mentioned 2010 in your post above, but I think you meant 2013? So, it is good that you have now found a recent secondary review from which to work.  The next step, then, is editor discussion about the particular source.  I don't have access to the full text of the article, but one question is whether the focus on Indian communities makes this an adequate source for broader statements.  Others with access to the full text of the article might have opinions on that.  Also, editors who don't have access to the full text aren't able to opine on paraphrasing issues.   I hope you'll stick with us as your knowledge of Wikipedia grows ... there's a lot of work to be done in here !  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 13:17, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Note the difference
This is what you have provided

This is what we are requesting you do

This explains how WP:MEDHOW. By the way are you using WP:Visual editor or the standard way of editing? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 18:01, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Discussion notice
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. As you are currently blocked you will not be able to join the discussion taking place at Education_noticeboard/Incidents, however you may leave any comments here on your talk page and they can be relayed. — xaosflux  Talk 04:00, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Unblocked
Esth270,

I've unblocked you, since I feel that we've successfully dealt with the issue of copyright violation. Please stay engaged here or on the talk pages of articles you're editing. Medical articles are one of the most delicate things to edit here, and we're very sensitive to the quality of sources and exactly what they say. Thanks for being cooperative under trying circumstances. I'll be out for a bit but will try to keep an eye on things on and off today. I hope you have an easier time from here on in. Choess (talk) 15:03, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you Choess for the unblock, I am definitely not going to try to post anything on to wikipedia anytime soon but I will make edits (and attempt to finish my project) in my sandbox, which I encourage anyone to take a look at. Thanks again.Esth270 (talk) 17:16, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Moving forward
Esth270, I've initialized your personal Sandbox at User:Esth270/Sandbox; you can use this for any manner of test edits, it's a great place to draft material before merging in to articles. We have many users who are experienced with medical articles, and is an excellent resource to continue to work with in that area as long as he is open to it! Maintaining very high quality, accurate medical articles is important to Wikipedia because so many people read our articles.

As one of the most popular sites on the Internet, you are bound to come across any manner of articles that you may be interested in even after your class assignment, and we hope you will stick around and boldly contribute to other subject areas that interest you, we really do want anyone to edit--even small edits like correcting a spelling error help drive quality forward. Happy editing, — xaosflux  Talk 16:28, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for the invitation Xaosflux! I will definitely make use of my sandbox. I've learned a lot from this experience and I think I'll be better equipped to make edits in the future. Esth270 (talk) 17:28, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for a great semester!
Hi User:Esth270. Just a note to say it was great working with you this semester!! I've accepted a position at another institution, but you should always feel free to contact me on my talk page if you have any questions about editing or just want to say hi. Megs (talk) 01:22, 23 December 2014 (UTC)