User talk:Eternal Equinox/Archive 2

Archive 2: February 17 2006 &mdash; March 6 2006.

Re: Featured article candidates/We Belong Together
Journalist, are there any other objections that you believe require full attention and should be addressed? &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 22:06, 17 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I think they all require full attention. If we can't find the personnel, maybe we can just remove it, but let's search for a couple of days. Ive asked one of her fansites, and I'm currently awaiting reply.


 * That "strong object" was so weird, wasn't it? I can't help but feel that there is some other motive. Monicasdude and I have never been the best of friends. We had a 'huge' disagreement on the Celine Dion fac, when this guy had the nerve to accuse me of plagiarism and copyright vio. Ofcource, it was a lie, but it still made people oppose on the grounds of wanting to be "safe", and it made me look really bad. Anyway, it was all resolved after much debate, when the FAc director promoted the article and told him that there are no plagiarism or cyvio whatsoever.


 * Sorry for rambling. I reiterate, all objections should be addressed (except, for the most part, Geogre's, who wants us to delete important info). I think we should focus on prose, not content. Oran   e    (t)   (c)   (e)  22:18, 17 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree on both comments concerning Monicasdude and Geogre. No worries on rambling, I do it as well. &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 22:58, 17 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Hey Eternal, I just noted your posting on the FAC that you are stopping contributions for the We Belong Together article. I apologize that this particular nomination has been frustrating, as all of my initial objections have been addressed (and only a song sample should be added, in my opinion).  I can't speak for the others -- I'm fairly new to Wiki in the grand scheme of things -- but honestly, most of the music articles should be as detailed with sales, chart history, and award information as this article, and as I suggested on a couple of the video game articles you have on peer review, more detail should be into this kind of thing.  No matter the results of the WBT vote, I hope that you continue to contribute to the FA process and hopefully some of those video game articles will have better success.  Best of luck. --Ataricodfish 01:23, 19 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh, and I just noticed that you asked how to convert MP3's to .ogg files on the FAC review. I only learned recently for the Phil Collins article, so there might be a faster or easier way, but I downloaded a program called "Audacity", which Wiki I believe recommended.  I opened the MP3 file using Audacity, selected a decent 30 second portion, cut and pasted that to a new listing, and saved it as a .ogg file.  I then uploaded the sound sample the same way you upload an image.  I would do it myself, but I don't own a copy of the song to be able to work on it.  Hope that helped. --Ataricodfish 01:30, 19 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for attempting to lift my mood. Perhaps I'll return when the bedrock is broken and the second FAC commences. I'm also fairly new to Wikipedia so receiving this gulp of medicine three weeks in is sort of... brutal. Thanks for the ".OGG" tip, I'll get around to downloading and processing the files eventually! See you for now. &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 14:03, 19 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm really sorry for the frustration that actions (mine included) have caused. Now you get a taste of the brutality of the FAC process. Believe me, though, that is just half of it; I've had someone call my work "vomit inducing" lol. Anyway, I hope that you can occassionally lend a hand with prose; your contributions have been impressive and invaluable, and I'm truly grateful. I really can't understand why some people are so overbearing in the FAC process. They seem to want the article to be a perfect reflection of their taste, and it's very mind-numbing for the writer. Anyway, take care, and thanks for the "good luck". Oran   e    (t)   (c)   (e)  04:45, 19 February 2006 (UTC)


 * It's not your fault, and I appreciate all that you've done for the article. It's not easy writing a song article, especially when one doesn't even like "We Belong Together" (I find it so unrealistic &mdash; I only helped with it because its airplay records were notable). I don't even like Mariah Carey very much. The only song of hers that I like is the mid-1990s hit "Always Be My Baby". Anyway, I'll help with the prose of the article following this message if I feel like it. Yeah, so thank you. See you later! &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 14:03, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Yep, I saw, and frankly I thought it was rediculous but hey, they can make any objection they want. If the article does not succeed it this time, it will make it the other time(s) around. Many great articles (like Kylie Minogue for instance) was successful on its fourth attempt. Oran   e    (t)   (c)   (e)  23:55, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Super Mario 64
I see that you decided to include the much-required references for Super Mario 64. Good job! I admire your devotion. &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 02:40, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks. No one seemed to be doing it, so I figured I might as well step in. Are we getting any closer to you accepting featured status? I think there's some things you can strike from your original objections now. --Pagrashtak 04:54, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I've stricken some of my objections. Anyway, are you going to be enhancing the article in any other way? I've noticed that very little information regarding the development is featured. Please reply on my talk page. Thanks! &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 19:11, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I might, but wouldn't count on it; I've been too busy lately to do everything I've wanted to on Wikipedia. I think you can strike The references in the article are not formatted correctly and The spoiler warning is quite lengthy. I believe you can also strike Furthermore, there are no references concerning other aspects of the game. Example: Shifting Sand Land is somewhat reminiscent of Super Mario Bros. 3's Desert Land. Citation?, as I've just rewritten this to not sound like a opinion. It's now backed up by primary source material and doesn't require a reference. --Pagrashtak 19:50, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

E-mail
Hi, Eternal Equinox. I see that you haven't specified a valid e-mail address for this account. I would rather like to e-mail you, in reference to a matter you might prefer not to discuss in public, so I'd appreciate it if you'd message me via my own "E-mail this user" option, or else put your address openly somewhere where I can see it. I believe you'd have to at least briefly enable an e-mail for your own account to be technically able to message me, btw, and I hope that's not too inconvenient. Please do not be concerned, I've no wish to pester or bother you, and of course feel free to not give me your address. If you prefer not to, I'll just let the matter rest. (Well, unless it develops into a bad situation.) Regards, Bishonen | 美少年 18:47, 19 February 2006 (UTC).

EE, for some reason, you scared me. I do have an e-mail. to email me, all you have to do is go to my user-page, look to the left in the Wikipedia "toolbox" (underneath "search"), and you'll see "E-mail this user." Access it and e-mail me. I haven't received any message yet. Oran  e    (t)   (c)   (e)  18:58, 19 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Everytime I try to e-mail, it says "dilivery failed". I think its invalid. Oran   e    (t)   (c)   (e)  19:08, 19 February 2006 (UTC)


 * EE, don't worry so much, but try to find me a working address to use. I e-mailed you just now at the hotmail address, and also got a failure notice, so there does seem to be something wrong with it. I don't understand the MSN thing, I've never used it. Journalist, please note EE can't use your wikipedia e-mail link without *himself* having specified a valid wiki e-mail address, as I point out in my top post above. Bishonen | 美少年 20:39, 19 February 2006 (UTC).
 * I've fixed the error. It will work now, I hope. &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 20:41, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, it seemed to go through this time, you should have gotten it. Bishonen | 美少年 21:04, 19 February 2006 (UTC).
 * I've responded. &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 21:16, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

It's of You and I
What exactly does the title refer to? I can't see at the moment what justification there could be for capitalising "of" against all the normal rules, but perhaps there's something in the subject that makes a difference. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 20:21, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I had pondered the thought myself, but there is nothing special about the title. It simply refers to two people (unoriginally known as "You" and "I"), which, had they possessed names, could have been: "It's of Eternal Equinox and Mel Etitis". Otherwise, I don't believe there is anything within the subject that should allow the use of a capital "o" in "of". &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 20:25, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
 * In that case I don't understand why your professor thinks that it should be capitalised; according to almost every manual of style it shouldn't be. --Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 21:44, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. Thanks for your help, professor. &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 22:13, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Your Sandbox page
Hello EE-- I've deleted the categories from your sandbox page. Categories there create redundancy. That is, the following shows up as an article in every category: "User:Eternal Equinox/Sandbox". Please do not chage this back if you do not understand the problem; instead, ask another wikipedian if you don't catch me via my talk page. Cheers, Djbaniel 05:19, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your edit to my sandbox. Yes, I understand the problem that could occur, and my sandbox is most definitely not from Texas! So I appreciate your initiative! Thanks once again! &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 20:37, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

To the uploader...
Please see Image talk:06 02 08 03 l.jpg. &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 22:56, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
 * R u crazy watch Madonna's new video "Sorry", once again you're making me angry--Hotwiki 13:24, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I am also becoming frustrated. You are supposed to respond on my talk page unless I state otherwise. Please see Civility. You did not address my concern on Image talk:06 02 08 03 l.jpg, and if you fail to answer the questions, I am going to have to redirect the image. &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 20:31, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
 * It's funny that you still don't know everything at this site,


 * First, would you stop copy/paste my replies in ur questions in my talk page to your talk page. You just want to make your talk page longer.
 * Second, I don't undestand what your questions is?, if you're talking about the title of the image so what as long as the image is free to use. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hotwiki (talk • contribs)


 * No, I do not copy and paste my questions and/or comments to my talk page so that it appears lengthier; I do this so that I do not forget what I had previously asked another user. I am talking about the image which is titled "06 02 08 03 1". Is there any specific reason why it is named this? If there is not, it should be moved to an article with a name that is more appropriate, such as "Sorry music video image" or "Madonna in Sorry". Otherwise, other users will not be aware of the link to the page because of its absurd title. Please respond on my talk page. &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 00:52, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Re: Number 1 (song)
I'm not sure of the chart position, but I can look it up. I'm also in the process of trying to find other Goldfrapp charts as well. Underneath-it-All 02:33, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
 * It would be rewarding. I was also wondering if you could investigate the UK dance chart position. Thanks! &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 02:41, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
 * No problem! I like looking up chart histories. Underneath-it-All 03:31, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
 * On a non-encyclopedic topic, what are your favourite Goldfrapp songs and what do you think of their style of electronica? &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 00:08, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

My favourite Goldfrapp songs are "Lovely Head", "Strict Machine", "Satin Chic", "Ride A White Horse" and "Black Cherry". I really like their form of electronica, its different from what's out there now. I remember first listening to Felt Mountain and being blown away. I'm was not a real fan of electronica music, but through Goldfrapp I decided to open up to it and now enjoy it. How do you feel about their music? Underneath-it-All 00:13, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm actually listening to "Strict Machine" right now. My favourites include this song, "Lovely 2 C U", "Let It Take You", "Deep Honey", "Number 1", and "Utopia". I own both Black Cherry and Supernature but have never listened to Felt Mountain; I have it heard that it is a good record though. Before hearing about Goldfrapp, my interest in electronica was very limited, but while on vacation in Hungary during the past summer, I heard "Ooh La La" on MTV Europe. I remembered the song when I returned and downloaded it. Eventually, I decided to just purchase Supernature, which, surprisingly, was released up here in Canada shortly after its UK release. I feel that their style is amazingly solid, because it is not similar or different to that of Eiffel 65 or Kylie Minogue. It is very unique and takes me in. The synth guitars are frequently pleasant. Oh, by the way, I enjoy "Satin Chic" as well! &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 00:19, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

User:Harry Potter and the Gold Fires
User:Harry Potter and the Gold Fires (talk) is a reincarnation of exactly how many accounts? Are you aware of the number? Please respond on my talk page. &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 00:27, 26 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I've no real idea. I've personally blocked at least 20. But who knows? -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 00:29, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I suppose you're right. I'm not an administrator, so I cannot help with blocking the reincarnation accounts, however, if I ever appear to come across an account that seems suspicious, I will notify you. &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 00:31, 26 February 2006 (UTC)


 * If I'm online, I'll have noticed him myself. If I'm not, WP:VIP is the best place to report it. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 00:32, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I see, I see. Whatever the situation may be, I'll keep a close-eye on the several vandalism pages, and as I've mentioned, your page. &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 00:35, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar
Thanks much for the barn star! : ) &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 02:58, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Edit history

 * Sent to User:Thegingerone:

If you examine the edit history of Geri Halliwell, I noticed that you wrote a derogatory statement in your edit summary: Don't be such an edit nazi. In the future, refrain from using the word "nazi" went attempting to communicate a thought &mdash; it is extremely negative and may be registered as a personal attack. Thank you. &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 20:45, 28 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Reply from thegingerone:

Sorry hope I put this in the right place. My dear if you cant take a simple comment as it is and not as 'derogatory' without threatning things then you really are no person Id like to be in contact with. So please quit slandering that article and threatining me. Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thegingerone (talk • contribs) 22:29, February 28, 2006 (UTC)


 * Referring to one as a "nazi" is extremely inappropriate. Making one edit is not considered "slandering" the article. Please refrain from posting such confusing comments. Thank you. &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 21:15, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Kelly Clarkson image Image:Kelly Award.jpg
WAS 4.250 removed the image in concern from the Kelly Clarkson article because it does not qualify as fair use in its current state. Please do not replace it without the proper criteria, and as several users have noted on your talk page, it may be deleted. Your edit summary perplexes me: Image is fair use screenshot and should not be removed for copyright reasons, if you think there's a copyright problem get an admin to sort it out.)? It should not be removed for copyright reasons? I don't understand this at all. Nonetheless, please do not replace it in the article. The other images will also be removed as per Images and Fair use. Thank you. &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 20:59, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Explain to me how my image is any different then any of the images listen in this page? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Screenshots_of_movies_and_television Those are all screenshots with the same tag I put on my image? Don't dodge the question like you always do .. explain to me why these images fall under fair use and the image that I downloaded doesn't? And 'because I said so' isn't a good enough reason. HeyNow10029 23:58, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
 * When someone sends you a message, unless they specify so, please respond on their talk page. Anyway, I did not state that "I said so". The majority of those images do not include fair use rationale, and are basically the exact same as the ones you uploaded. All images require fair use rationale in order to be placed on Wikipedia unless it has been released to the public domain. Respond on my talk page, please. &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 00:17, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Jordanhill railway station
Sorry about the accidental revert - I was trying to restore the logo. Cheers! Johntex\talk 03:00, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about it. Peace! &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 03:02, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Kelly Clarkson copyvio
Red Dragon FM wrote this first! --Jodie26 21:29, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Do you have a link to the page where he/she made the edit? &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 21:39, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * It's out of public view, sadly. Moved 25/02/05. --Jodie26 21:44, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Image:IBT.jpg
It doesn't work that way. A "blanket" fair use claim can't be made for every single article the image is used on (unless the circumstances are identical for both); different things apply for different articles. In particular, point 4 of the rationale of fair use on Mariah Carey is completely unrelated to the use of the image on I'll Be There. See Image_description_page and Fair use criteria for more information. Extraordinary Machine 23:02, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I've already taken the time to read both guidelines and don't recognize my error anywhere in the text. However, you have been a Wikipedian for a much longer significant amount of time than I have, so I'll refrain from editing the image for now. I would like it if fair use rationale was applied for all of the articles it appears in though; this would make Wikipedia look like it is in order of its priorities. Perhaps when the Mariah Carey article reaches featured article status, we could fix up the rationale for both articles. Until then, I understand your concern. Thanks! Take care! &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 23:08, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Re: User:Eternal Equinox/Sandbox
I like the article now, good work. Just a few things:
 * 1) Introducing her as a "Grammy-winning singer-songwriter" is POV, in my opinion (the Grammy bit, I mean), and also repetitive as later in the lead it mentions Clarkson's Grammys again.
 * 2) "Without You" is originally by Badfinger, not Mariah Carey.
 * 3) "The song's music video was filmed in an abandoned theatre and incorporated short scenes of Clarkson performing on Idol." - excess detail that should be left for the single article.
 * 4) "When released as a single in October 2002, it set a still-standing record on the U.S. Billboard Hot 100 chart when it rose from number fifty-two to number one." - again this is a little detailed; you could instead say "it set a still-standing record for the largest jump to number one on the U.S. Billboard Hot 100 chart" as precise numbers aren't needed.
 * 5) Exact release dates of albums, awards certifications etc. are unnecessary.
 * 6) "["Miss Independent"] earned Clarkson a 2004 Grammy Award nomination for "Best Female Pop Vocal Performance". She failed to win the award though." - this is already implied by the previous sentence saying only that she was nominated.
 * 7) "["Low"] was unable to make the top fifty of the U.S. chart." - I'd change this to top forty, since that's usually what is considered the border between a hit and a flop.
 * 8) ""Behind These Hazel Eyes" and "Because of You" also followed with success. Although neither had attained Grammy Award nominations..." - this implies that they were expected to receive nominations or deserved them, which is POV if unsourced.
 * 9) Across the entire article there seems to be an odd abundance of Canadian chart information. Now, if there's a good reason for it then leave it in, but right now it's apparent to me. Is Clarkson of Canadian descent or something? Also, from what I've heard Canada is a relatively small market in terms of record sales, and is also suggested by the fact that an album needs only to ship 100,000 copies for it to be certified platinum.
 * 10) Same with the Indonesian chart positions in the table...is Indonesia a significant market?

Hope this helped. Extraordinary Machine 22:18, 4 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm going to fix up a handful of the errors you've noted, and yes, I should have been able to catch these, but it can be a bit irritating once you begin reading the same words day after day. However, I will answer a few questions:


 * I'm not sure about the Indonesian singles market. It's not very important, from what I've heard, but it is being included because of all the number-ones Clarkson garnered from Breakaway. Is that special enough? Perhaps, but perhaps not.
 * Canada is a major music market. The only reason an album needs to ship 100,000 copies to be certified platinum is because of the population: 33 million, which differs greatly from the U.S. population of 275 million. Australia has a population of 20 million and needs to ship a mere 75 000 copies to be certified platinum and is considered a major music market. It's unusual how the system works.
 * "Low" reaching the top forty instead of top fifty? I disagree with you, however, in the end you are correct. I'll change it.
 * &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 14:09, 5 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, if an unimportant market (Indonesia) is being included just because all of Clarkson's last few singles went to number one there, then that's POV as well as misleading. Also, the way the article is written now really does give the impression that Clarkson is at least half-Canadian. Anyway, about my sandbox...I'm going to start the article on "A Thousand Miles" after I have finished rewriting the Mariah Carey article, so thank you but I do not need the image just yet (also, non-free images should only be displayed in articles). In response to a previous comment of yours: it's certainly not a case of when the Carey article reaches featured status, but if. I mean, I'll probably nominate it at FAC after I send it to peer review, but even if it fails everybody who worked on it should be happy with it as it's better than most articles about contemporary celebrities. Extraordinary Machine 17:39, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, you are right about the Mariah Carey article. It is impressive. Anyway, on the topic of Clarkson, most of her singles reached fairly high positions in Canada. Also, from what I've heard, an American musician's releases normally perform strongest in Canada because of how close the nations are. The same situation occurred with Carey, correct? Her singles performed strongest in Canada for the first decade of her career. They were never successful in the UK for a significant amount of time; this also happened to Clarkson. All in all, I'm going to attempt to promote the article to a standard similar to Carey's. However, there are major image issues occurring right now &mdash; it may be sometime before consensus is met. However, time will tell, and thanks for your help! Good luck with both articles. &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 20:32, 6 March 2006 (UTC)