User talk:Ethnopunk

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Neutrality and Bias
Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. As a member of the Wikipedia community, I would like to remind you of Wikipedia's neutral-point-of-view policy for editors. In the meantime, please be bold and continue contributing to Wikipedia. Thank you!

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Another Welcome!
Welcome, from one South African to (I presume) another South African.

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Regards, dewet|&trade; 15:39, 20 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Hey mate,chill out. Please stop targeting one or more user's pages or talk pages for abuse or insults, unwarranted doctoring or blanking. It can be seen as vandalism and may get you blocked from editing Wikipedia.
 * Furthermore: Please try and keep a cool head, despite comments people may make against you. Personal attacks and disruptive comments will only escalate a situation; please keep calm and action can be taken against the other parties if necessary. Your involvement in attacking back can only satisfy trolls or anger contributors, and lead to general bad feeling. Please try and be civil. Thanks! (CJ)  dewet|&trade; 13:18, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

A Great Welcome, thanks for blocking me!
Regarding User:Dewet: Please do not replace Wikipedia pages with blank content. It is considered vandalism. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thanks. ShaunES 12:52, 21 March 2006 (UTC).


 * Removing unblock request. You are not, and never have been, blocked.  If it was an IP block you have to give us the IP address if you want it unblocked.  Wikibofh(talk) 14:50, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Precisely DeWet
Could you please not delete the Alternative South Africa page, even though its content may contain queer or feminist references that you disagree with! Regardless of policy, I will retaliate if you insist on policing content that fails to live up to the standards of "white South Africa". Passive-aggressive behaviour such as exhibited by some of my compatriots, lead to campuses being invaded by baton-wielding cops during the 80s, in the mistaken assumption that our thoughts and ideas could be changed by force! As for Wikipedias Neutrality and Biase? When Nestle makes reperations for apartheid war crimes, then we can all talk about biase. Neutrality on a national page? Forget it!

Ethnopunk 11:19, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

South African Blocks
Okay, I get it, there's some weirdo called Crowbaaa, and I am not he!!

"Autoblocked because your IP address has been recently used by "Crowbaaa". The reason given for Crowbaaa's block is: "constant disruption of WP:AN / WP:ANI, trolling"."

Would somebody please rectify the situation so that I don't lose it everytime something interesting happens. Ethnopunk 11:29, 22 March 2006 (UTC)


 * There is a current problem of SAIX proxies being blocked. As you have found, you can only edit your own talk page. In light of that, and the questionable validity of Alternative South Africa, I strongly suggest you develop the page as Dewet suggests - as a sub-page of your own. Why don't you develop existing pages, like Culture of South Africa instead (it seems to be what you are striving for ?) Alternative South Africa is heading for another going-going-gone unless it radically improves. Wizzy&hellip; &#9742;   11:37, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Dear Wizzy, could you shut the fuck up, unless you have something constructive to say. No, doubt, that article will arrive, in its final form as g-d intended, and you are free to attack it then, but as far as the validity of the topic is concerned, suck my *453


 * I have moved the article to User:Ethnopunk/Alternative South Africa, so you don't lose your work. Wizzy&hellip; &#9742;   11:59, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

A friendly warning
Please do not make personal attacks on other people. Wikipedia has a policy against personal attacks. In some cases, users who engage in personal attacks may be blocked from editing by admins or banned by the arbitration committee. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Please resolve disputes appropriately. Thank you.

You have been treated with respect and given friendly tips, something which you have not reciprocated with. Don't think that you can do what you want; Wikipedia operates within a set framework of rules -- if you choose to ignore them, you will be blocked and won't be able to contribute any more. dewet|&trade; 12:25, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

A friendly, sort of response
Who elected dewetto police the discussion on South Africa? I take exception to the rudeness of his tone and his assumption that he represents South Africa. Also, I don't think deleting the Alternative South Africa article sets a good precedent. As for getting personal, I'm not about to make friends with an engineer who refuses to acknowledge the vast contribution of people like Koos Kombuis, Benoldus Niemand and Valient Swart to popular culture. If it weren't for the "alternative" label, nothing would have changed in the country.

Spurred on by such invective, Ive decided to go ahead and create a genuine "Alternative South Africa" whose starting point will be everything that the so-called South Africa domain policed by certain "individuals", is not. You may join the discussion on counterculture, but I'm not going to buy into Mr South Africa's prognosis about either the media, or wikipedia policy. Ethnopunk 15:17, 22 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I deleted the article, both times. User:Dewet is a respected contributor to both the English and Afrikaans wikipedias. I expect that, in time, you will also be. If you are proposing a POV fork, it will not survive. Please read the links Dewet pointed to. Koos Kombuis, Benoldus Niemand and Valient Swart, and their contribution to Culture of South Africa, sounds like an excellent project, and I support you in doing so (as does Dewet). You will encounter least resistance if these articles spring into being as at least a paragraph, conforming to style, spelled correctly, and wiki-linked to other relevant articles. Have at it. Wizzy&hellip; &#9742;   15:43, 22 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Or what, you'll erase my name from the annals of history and shambock students in the library like what happened while I was at UCT? While I appreciate your effort, I really don't like being dominated by a couple of engineers from the computer dept. Do I really have to argue for the inclusion of popular culture and media studies as something more than an offshoot of boerestaat? BTW, its a long haul project and not something that's bound to spring up overnight.

Ethnopunk 15:52, 22 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Goodness, you aren't one for easily making friends, are you? You have come with preconceived notions and stereotypes (engineers and boere, nogal!), and attacked without provocation.  Somewhere you've gotten the idea that I am "policing" South African topics to reflect some fantasy version of history, which couldn't be further from the truth!  I challenge you to look through my contributions, and show me one instance of that!  As you can see, the articles on Koos Kombuis, Bernoldus Niemand and Valiant Swart are waiting to be written; not because of censorship, but because of simple lack of hands.  Click on the red links and do it!  However, your confrontational style will hamper all your contributions to this serious, honest project. Take this as advice, or leave it. dewet|&trade; 16:01, 22 March 2006 (UTC)


 * It's a pity really, because those notions keep getting varified by passive-agressive behaviour learnt while playing Quake or Doom. Its not the interface I don't trust, its the way software engineers take over the encyclopeadia, while insisting that pictures of bare breasted women prancing around naked on the savannahs isn't racial or masculine bias. I'm off to an alternative event in Observatory to talk about corporate bias in the news. Later. Ethnopunk 16:20, 22 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Excellent straw man! ;) Seriously, though, you're making less and less sense;  I'll just leave it be, this is too adolescent. dewet|&trade; 16:38, 22 March 2006 (UTC)


 * And what does the wikipedia say about tilting at windmills? Methinks this is all about ego! Ethnopunk 10:01, 23 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Please remain polite. Dewet has been very patient with you. Wizzy&hellip; &#9742;   10:36, 23 March 2006 (UTC)


 * A good start might be af:Koos Kombuis, af:Bernoldus Niemand and af:Valiant Swart - articles that already exist in the Afrikans wikipedia. Wizzy&hellip; &#9742;   16:14, 22 March 2006 (UTC)


 * That's the thing, I'm not trying to reproduce work already done, rather to create another entry point, along the lines of Library of Congress reference headers!!Ethnopunk 16:20, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Deletion
It was a speedy delete and was fully justified if I remember it correctly. Admins do not need to speak with authors in such situations. If you'd like me to recreate it, please let me know why it shouldn't have been deleted and I'll look into it. Thanks.Gator (talk) 13:26, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

South African Pop History: Dance
Nice job at South African Pop History: Dance. Not sure the title is really right for Wikipedia, but it is an easy thing to fix (and I do not have a good suggestion for another title). Wizzy… &#9742;   12:11, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

ECC
Nice edits on the ECC page. I'm a bit concerned about categorising the ECC as anti-war. See my comments on Talk:End Conscription Campaign. Thanks, Zaian 18:51, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Re: Angolan War
The text in Angolan War was copied directly from the URL cited. Also, please check out No personal attacks, Civility, and Copyrights when you get a chance. Thanks. SchuminWeb (Talk) 21:41, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy: '''There is no excuse for personal attacks on other contributors. Do not make them.' Comment on content'', not on the contributor; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that you may be blocked for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thanks. -- Strothra 17:41, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Apoligies for the Ad Hominem attack, but the text was not copied directly from that site. It was saved and then edited online. The result was substantially different and in no way a copyright infringement. Schuminweb is behaving like a boy scout who knows he is in the wrong, the copy should have been moved to the discussion page before being deleted.

Should I report him as a "Vietnam War" denier? Is he saying there was no opposition to the Vietnam War? Same thing isn't it

NPA Warning
You joined Community Justice, and ironically your statement was a personal attack. You have a history of making personal attacks:

This is your last warning. If you continue to make personal attacks, you may be blocked for disruption. Computerjoe 's talk 14:07, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Community Justice
Umm, excuse me if I don't know what you're talking about, but what are you talking about? _-M   o    P-_  15:50, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Somebody removed me from the CJ list and took the tag off my user page. Defeats the purpose don't you think? Ethnopunk 15:54, 27 April 2006 (UTC)


 * So how am I to blame? _-M    o    P-_  15:58, 27 April 2006 (UTC)


 * You are suspended from Community Justice, making you not a member. MoP is right. Computerjoe 's talk 16:09, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Pretty lame don't you think. An organisation that doesn't accept its own principles is rather like a gang, in short mob rule. Ethnopunk 16:27, 27 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Our organisation's goals have changed from justice to civility. That fact you made a personal attack in your membership statement is surely enough!
 * If you wish, you may request assistance from a advocate or make an appeal to the elected council. Computerjoe 's talk 17:07, 27 April 2006 (UTC)


 * you're forgetting about the audio alterem partem rule -- let both sides be heard before delivering judgement, but that would be asking a bit much from the mobsters at CJ Ethnopunk 08:25, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Be careful
Hi, maybe by now you know that I have some of the same interests as you and contribute to some of the same discussions. Maybe we're from similar backgrounds too, but Wikipedia hides that, and lets you build up a reputation based entirely on your contributions. I've followed yours with interest, and noticed you getting into a lot of arguments. Most recently, I saw your comment "Just so you know, I clapped and cheered when the WTC came down" on Talk:Angolan War. This is a friendly but very serious warning not to say stuff like that, ever. If it needs any explanation, consider the feeling in your stomach if someone said they cheered when the Sharpeville massacre happened, or when they heard how many Africans are dying of Aids.

So where to from here? You could go a lot further sharing knowledge about topics that you know and care about, but only if you act a lot more carefully to avoid the fights you've been getting into. Sorry this is a real sermon, but someone needs to say it to you nicely. Otherwise you'll either burn out and leave in disgust, or be pushed out by the community. I'd rather you stayed. How you react to this warning is a test of your character. I don't think you're going to find many people going to this length to include you. Zaian 21:54, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Zaian, but the situation is really like somebody laughing off the Angolan War or forgetting about Sharpville and saying my experience (along with hundreds of other South African's) is irrelevent, because they know-it-all. The debate has been dumbed down to the point of stupidity merely because the American media left out the CIA's role in the war and now some bright spark sees fit to question my bone fides. As for my comment on the WTC, its not something I say lightly, I would rather launch a critique of the information age, the lack of contemporaneity in cyberspace and the disadvantages still faced by those living in the third world but that would take all day. Ethnopunk 08:02, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a bureacracy
In particular, Wikipedia is not a system of law. Disagreements should be resolved through consensual discussion, rather than through tightly sticking to rules and procedures. Instruction creep should be avoided. A perceived procedural error made in posting anything, such as an idea or nomination, is not grounds for invalidating that post. Follow the spirit, not the letter, of any rules, policies and guidelines (see Wikilawyering). Our dispute resolution process exists to mediate and arbitrate disputes between users, not to enforce judicial remedies. From What Wikipedia is not. Ethnopunk 13:02, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Community Justice
You are welcome to put your side of the story at Wikipedia talk:Community Justice/Meeting 1. Computerjoe 's talk 17:55, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * The reason that some users have more rights than others is because they are given them, following a RfA, RfB, been given developer or stewart status or been elected to WP:ARBCOM. Computerjoe 's talk 14:45, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Hello! I am just letting you know that you have been reinstated as a member of WP:CJ. The outcome of the meeting was that you will be placed on CJ probation (basically one user will just ensure you are being civil for a while, and ensure that you can not been seen as incivil to others). I have been nominated to take such a role, and have accepted. There is no need to worry, I will let you know of anything which maybe viewed as incivil. Good luck, and once more welcome to Community Justice! Ian13/ talk 17:54, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

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Rehane_Abrahams on deletion review
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 * It's been undeleted. See my comments at Wikipedia talk:Deletion review - CrazyRussian talk/email 16:25, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Image:Maumaulogo.JPG
Excuse me, but did you really create the logo of Gallery Mau Mau? (If not, then you are in no position to release it under the GFDL license; however, you may want to change the tag to logo - fair use of a logo in the article about the organization.) Thank you. Regards, Mike Rosoft 13:09, 15 August 2006 (UTC) Mike, I paid for it, so I own it. But thanks for the tip, I don't exactly want to give it away!Ethnopunk 13:12, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Your vote please
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Concordia Newsletter
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 * You have asked at Deletion review for this to be undelted. Technically, as a contested prod, it should be. But the article as it was before it was deleted showed not a hint of notability, so if this is undeleted, it is pretty much certian to be sent to WP:AfD at once, and unless there are significant sources and information toa dd to the article, IMO it is highly likely to be deleted at an AfD. Do you have significant additional information that you would add to the article if it were to be undeleted? if not, perhaps you would consider withdrawing your request, and save everybody soem fairly pointless hoop-jumping? DES (talk) 18:42, 25 July 2007 (UTC)


 * This is notable from a point of the fact that DNT was an underground zine published during the transition to Democracy, in South Africa. It's one of the few publications from that period and represents a remarkable achievment in the face of repression. I don't think it's up to an Australian to decide what is pertinant to South African's. I am willing to edit the article to conform to wiki guidlines.Ethnopunk 12:04, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

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I own the copyright dammit!
It's eager chipmonks like you who made me leave wikipedia. I really don't have time to debate issues like who own's copyright over my own work and whether or not I can put material that I own on wikipedia. This discussion, if you had bothered to follow the thread on the discussion page occurred about two years ago. Now you raise it, and since you're so keen to takeover the known universe with your moral prudery, have enough admin privileges to destroy probably every contribution I have ever made to wikipedia. I notice you are not a South African and probably haven't a clue about the topic you deleted. It's supposed to be an article on the history of SA dance music, but thanks to you, its been erased. Happing trails, squirrel. Ethnopunk (talk) 11:10, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It appears that you're referring to South African dance music. This was not deleted because of copyright problems, but rather because a community consensus decided it should be deleted. And I did not delete it — Wizardman did.
 * Please be civil and refrain from making personal attacks. Stifle (talk) 11:17, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

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RE: Translation of Die Suid-Afrikaan's story on the Purple Rain Protest
It seems to have taken quite a while for anyone to get back to you on your request for a translation, but I've translated the extract you posted here as follows:

"By ten o'clock Greenmarket Square was already thronged with people. Everywhere in the streets there were police; at that stage, at least I thought, definitely in greater numbers than bona fide demonstrators... There was a sort of festive atmosphere amongst the people gathered; it wasn't a bad day, cloudy yes, but without rain and not terribly cold either. Myself and a few friends first drank some coffee, then later walked to the Methodist church in Burg street. Everywhere people were greeting one another, calling out names and recognising acquaintances. The Methodist church was full to the brim. On the pulpit there was a protest leader who was busy explaining what the day's procedure would be. A lot of emphasis was placed on orderliness, calmness and discipline. It was only half-past ten, but already the protest was delayed. We were still waiting for the group who would be arriving from the Bo Kaap; we didn't yet know that they had already been taken into police custody.

I went outside again, where the atmosphere in Burg street felt like that of a carnival on a Saturday morning. Around Newspaper House stood first-aid people and medical students from the nearby Shawco union, busy chatting and joking amongst themselves; everywhere one could see people with cameras. The police closely supervised [the protest] from the sidelines. Later I would realise that Burg street was like a display cabinet when compared to Waal street. I'd have easily been able to just stay there, surrounded by the overall geniality, and participated in the chatting and joking - at the safe distance from which the press was observing and reporting - but a colleague pulled me closer. "Come, the protest at the cathedral has begun".

I went after her at jogging pace, around the bend, and saw from Burg street's corner that the protest at Waal street had so-to-say ground to a halt. We squeezed through a multi-racial row of neatly blue-attired SAP [South African Police] men and women: a non-racist and non-sexist façade presented [by the government] for the onlookers and the rest of the world... although representatives of the media were hidden; in high buildings, behind curtains, and in-between the "normal" shoppers at Greenmarket Square; due to the media being forbidden from covering political unrest. According to reports from Burg street, teargas and a water cannon with purple dye were used to "break up the illegal gathering". Just around the corner in Waal street where a second march from St George's Cathedral took place, it was a different story."

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 * The following addition to the page on Amin al-Husseini is being censored. I draw your attention to the reference material upon which the addition is based. Could you perhaps indicate how this matter should receive arbitration? : In 2017, several previously unknown photographs came to light, in which al-Husseini, can be clearly seen inspecting a Nazi concentration camp along with Nazi senior officials and government figures. The photographs also show the Trebbin camp near Berlin, which was, from 1942 to 1945, 'an SS artillery training place with a branch of the Sachsenhausen concentration camp in Oranienburg'. The photographs have forced scholars into a reappraisal of al-Husseini's obviously active role in the event. Ethnopunk (talk) 14:02, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Having failed to edit war material into the article, it is now clear that you are WP:BLUDGEONING the talk page discussion. Kindly desist. Selfstudier (talk) 15:54, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
 * And you are persisting in your racist, bigoted, anti-Semitic anti-intellectual endeavour to quash recent photographic discoveries and legitimate academic research, including published citations, regarding Husseini's tour of Trebbin Concentration Camp. What is your agenda, to sugar-coat al-Husseini? To falsely accuse someone of bludgeoning is considered WP:Civility and should be avoided. If you want me to step back from the discussion I will step back, but please stop denying the Evidence exists. Ethnopunk (talk) 08:22, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
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 * Ethnopunk, did you just say that I blocked you because my talk page shows that I have an axe to grind and that I am a bigot? I want to make clear that is what you are saying here.  -- Jayron 32 17:36, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I believe that either myself or Selfstudier, or both, are the targets of this vitriol rather than you. You, apparently, are just our tool. His failure to recognise the severity of the charge, instead doubling down on the insults, indicates to me that he will recommence the same behavior when the block ends. Zerotalk 00:53, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * You're now manufacturing a blame-war in which I am being blocked and now threatened with an indefinite block for being a little upset about the total lack of objective review regarding my proposal for inclusion of factually-correct, academic cited, and evidence-based opinion, regarding al-Hussieni. I can only surmise this is due to the bigotry, anti-Semitism, pro-Nazi sympathies of those who are insisting on censoring this information. Now you're saying WP:NONAZIS isn't a policy? Because it should be. Is Wikimedia welcoming of Nazis? Ethnopunk (talk) 10:23, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Talk page access? Length of block? I'll take it back to ANI if you prefer. Zerotalk 11:15, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * That was a very poor idea. Black Kite (talk) 14:34, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

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