User talk:Etlnpskeff

July 2022
Hello, I'm PhantomTech. I wanted to let you know that I reverted one of your recent contributions—specifically this edit to Recession of 1958—because it did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Teahouse or the Help desk. Thanks. 22:00, 29 July 2022 (UTC)


 * I added a properly cited edit from a source beyond reproach. I followed the rules. Etlnpskeff (talk) 22:09, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Adding the same bit of information to every page you can find related to recessions because of what's going on at recession is disruptive. Why does every page related to recessions need a definition of what a recession is on it? There is a wikilink to recession in the second sentence of the article that anyone can use to learn about what a recession is.  22:13, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Everyone doesn't need to go to a different page for a 1 sentence definition. People need to know the common definition to really understand the meaning of the article. Most readers are not highly educated and we need to make the information as accessible as possible. Etlnpskeff (talk) 23:33, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * If every relevant one sentence definition was included in an article, they would be unreadable. Please provide a source for your claim Most readers are not highly educated and we need to make the information as accessible as possible.  23:37, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia itself published its best guess of the demographics. Reader Shows the demographics of the readers.  https://www.statista.com/statistics/785618/educational-attainment-by-age-group-us/
 * If the primary premise of an article is not defined, the article is meaningless. Etlnpskeff (talk) 00:30, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't see what part of the Wikipedia link you provided supports your claim that most readers are not highly educated. The statista link is limited to only the United States, but shows all age groups with over 50% of members having some level of college education and overwhelmingly all have at least a high school diploma. I'm not sure why you think someone someone with a high school diploma is so uneducated that they're unable to click a link to get the definition and why you think the article would be meaningless if someone didn't know that specific definition of a recession while reading it.  00:38, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Most of the readers do not have college. The average high school graduate in the United States is practically illiterate. I'm not going to post the studies from U.S. Department of Education regarding the functional decline of the education system. Etlnpskeff (talk) 01:08, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Well if we're just going to make claims without backing them up:
 * Every reader capable of reaching the article is fully capable of clicking the link to recession
 * Every reader knows to click the link to recession for more information about that topic
 * Not every reader is from the United States
 * The average high school graduate in the United States does not fit any definition of the word "illiterate"
 * 01:16, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Then why is the recession locked so I can't put the documented standard definition on it? Unlock the page and I'll put the definition there. My post was properly cited. Etlnpskeff (talk) 02:12, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Etlnspkeff, you are welcome to join the discussion at Talk:Recession. You should not add content to other articles about the definition of "recession" until that discussion is resolved. Remember that there is no deadline here. --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 02:14, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The first sentence of the second paragraph of recession includes two consecutive quarters of decline in a country's real gross domestic product (real GDP) is commonly used as a practical definition of a recession. It also said that in the version that was live while you were making your edits. The first bullet point under the section "Definition" says In terms of duration — Declines in real gross national product (GNP) for two consecutive quarters; a decline in industrial production over a six-month period. How many times do you want that definition repeated in the article? You're free to make those arguments on Talk:Recession, but the page will not be unprotected so that you can spam that definition in an article that already includes it twice.  02:32, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * When I looked at the page a few minutes ago in Chrome, it did not show what you stated. I cleared my cache and the definition appeared. I'm glad that it is in the correct location. Etlnpskeff (talk) 16:01, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Recession of 1953. Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been or will be reverted. Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continued disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges. Thank you. Schl äger4  (talk)  22:01, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
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