User talk:EunSoo

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Welcome to Wikipedia, EunSoo! I am EunSoo and have been editing Wikipedia for quite some time. I just wanted to say hi and welcome you to Wikipedia! If you have any questions, feel free to leave me a message on my talk page or by typing helpme at the bottom of this page. I love to help new users, so don't be afraid to leave a message! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful: I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Also, when you post on talk pages you should sign your name on talk pages using four tildes ( ~ ); that should automatically produce your username and the date after your post. If you need help, check out Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place helpme on your talk page and ask your question there. Again, welcome! EunSoo (talk) 03:28, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
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Rain naming opinion
Are you asking my personal opinion? I would have to say Rain (entertainer). - Draeco (talk) 09:53, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Girls' Generation and related articles
Could you stop to undo my edits. You always changing the structure of the articles and "Also See" and "Aslo See" are no real English, "See also" would be right. But of course there has to be a section "Girls' Generation" in articles of Girls' Generation members, see also Nicole Scherzinger and Cheryl Cole. And you should place first their "hangul name" when using Template:Infobox musical artist at "Birth_name", see Ayumi Hamasaki. Futhermore, Girls' Generation released two EPs but you changed the whole structure of this section claiming that the "Into the New World tour" would be an EP. --Dr. Crisp (talk) 07:00, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You are reverting them back to re-direct names, the Infobox titles should be 1 title not 2 that's why there is a Korean Name Template. I have changed the "Also See" to "See Also" as you said. EunSoo (talk) 07:27, 4 June 2010 (UTC)


 * That doesn't justify the other changes and I did not reverting back to redirect names. Moreover, the Lemma of most Girls' Generation members articles were for discussion, so we may should wait til everything is clear. --Dr. Crisp (talk) 07:26, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * What no the SNSD names aren't under discussion?? And my other changes were clean-up because titles were unnecessarily long. "Solo activities" can be cut down to just "Solo". And if you look at the history you were first to revert my edits especially without any reason. EunSoo (talk) 07:29, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Reliable sources
Please read WP:RELIABLE before sourcing that next forum page, blog or fansite. People are going to keep revert your edits anytime you cite a non-reliable source. Also, read WP:3RR before you continue reverting others' reverts. Groink (talk) 07:32, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Am are you stalking me? You pop up in the most unusual places EunSoo (talk) 07:36, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You are a train wreck on Wikipedia just waiting to happen. Several of us are tracking you for this reason. Face it - you're attracting the attention to yourself. If you just simply utilize the talk page on a given article and discuss your ideas, instead of the rampage editing you're doing, then everything would have been okay. But no, you just couldn't do that. As a newbie, you should be consulting with others before editing, instead of messing things up and learning from your mistakes later on. Wikipedia is not a sandbox for newbies. If you want to call us following you stalking, then so be it. Groink (talk) 07:44, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I do discuss only if it needed though. I don't see why I need to discuss every edit I make. It isn't something as big as changing a title. I was just editing the information like everyone else does. And I only changed 1 source and that make me a horrible editor. Thanks for the heads up on sourcing and 3RR I will read them. EunSoo (talk) 07:50, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Could you explain this edit?
Could you explain this edit please? I had reverted your changes with a comment in the edit log but you reverted back to your version without any edit summary.

More generally it is good practice to use edit summaries and doing so is likely to result in less confrontations. See Help:Edit summary. Dpmuk (talk) 09:55, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh okay well it's a Biography, the caption is not needed seeing as there is no photo, you don't need another primary sectioning for music career because it is all subjected under Biography and that section is mainly about SJ, Other works is very general, Discography has no albums and no singles, Televison series is too long (TV shows or Drama, I prefer drama cause that's what news and such refer it as k-dramas or drama), and the see also section is used for see or see also direction pages. There was no discography and filmography so it only made sense to place it under a See Also section. EunSoo (talk) 10:01, 4 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I only have a real problem with the see also bits. I may not like some of your other changes but they're minor enough not to be worrying about.  At the very least the way you just moved them was wrong - we don't have 'main article' text and such like is see alsos.  I will admit that I made a mistake in not realising that they were linking to articles about the band rather than about that person specifically so a properly formatted see also section is probably the right place for them.  Formatting for see also sections is here.  You will find that other editors are more likely to make mistakes when reverting if the changes you make don't keep to wikipedia style. Dpmuk (talk) 10:16, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh okay got ya. EunSoo (talk) 10:19, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Requested moves
Please stop listing moves as uncontroversial which clearly aren't. So far I've yet to see a single move request of yours that has proven to be uncontroversial. With a city also called Donghae it was clearly not going to be an uncontroversial request. Until you get a better idea of what an uncontroversial request actually is can I suggest that either a) ask a more experienced editor whether they're likely to be controversial before listing or b) you automatically list them as controversial following the procedures here. Dpmuk (talk) 10:07, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The city is not called Donghae but Donghae City, or Donghae, Ganghwan. EunSoo (talk) 10:12, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * In response to the message on my talk page. The uncontroversial section of requested moves clearly states "If there has been any past debate about the best title for the page, or if anyone could reasonably disagree with the move, then treat it as controversial."  The existence of the city means someone could reasonably disagree with the move.  Anyone is allowed to contest a listed "uncontroversial" request - I just saved another editor some trouble by starting the discussion myself rather than simply moving it to "contested requests" and leaving someone else to start the discussion.
 * As for your comment above I think you'll still misunderstanding how we name articles and do disambiguation on wikipedia. Yes the article on the city is at Donghae City and Donghae, Gangwon redirects there but that doesn't mean that's what people actually call it.  You'll notice that the article just calls the city Donghae and presumably that's what the city is known at in real life but it can't be at that title because there are other things with that name and none are the primary topic.  What's important here is what something is called in real life not how we disambiguate it.  The city and the singer both could be at plain Donghae because that's what they're known as.  As no one has decided which one is primary we put a disambiguation page there and then have to disambiguate the city and the singer.  I recommend you go and read our disambiguation policy carefully. Dpmuk (talk) 10:27, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Because the sea and the singer are also known by that name, so which one should go there? The minimum number of links for a disambiguation page is 2 when there is no primary topic (as in this case).  I don't see how this is "stupid" if there's two things with the same name we need to point people at the correct article even if there is only two articles to choose from. Dpmuk (talk) 10:39, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * What you've just added to my talk page is correct if the city is the primary topic. Given the existence of the sea and the singer it's far from clear what is the primary topic, or even if there is a primary topic, so we'd need a discussion about that (by starting a requested move, to find consensus, before making any moves. Dpmuk (talk) 10:42, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Read WP:PRIMARYTOPIC we only have a primary topic when "one of the topics is highly likely – much more likely than any other, and more likely than all the others combined – to be the subject being sought when a reader clicks the "Go" button for that term." That means that although one article may have the most hits, be highest on google etc it is not necessary the primary topic.  It may also be worth reading WP:GOOGLE as interpreting google results can be difficult, especially as different versions of google (UK, US, Spanish etc) will give different results. Dpmuk (talk) 13:21, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

3rr on Sunny
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period. Additionally, users who perform several reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. When in dispute with another editor you should first try to discuss controversial changes to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Should that prove unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. Please stop the disruption, otherwise you may be blocked from editing. Syrthiss (talk) 11:43, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Trying to find a consensus
Oh... I'm done right now and this became really long, but I hope you will read this.

Your statement on Syrthiss' talk page, saying other editors wouldn't understand you made me to think over your edits. Furthermore, it's cool that you searched for a source regarding the Biotherm CF in Sooyoung' article. But please do not delete if I add, because it shows other users that this statement would be unsourced. Of course you can change if you find a source.

I also noticed that you were always deleting the sections "Girls' Generation" and "Discography" in the SNSD members articles, ehich was one of my main problems at first. But I'm guessing the reason for doing this was because this sections were "blank". I was hoping somebody would fill this sections with information, but nobody did. So, next time your changing this, I will not "undo". But I'm thinking of writing the "Girls' Generation" section by myself, and I hope you would not undo then. Again I'm referring to Cheryl Cole. As you can see, there is also a section about here group.

In addition, I recognised that you improved your edits from " " to " " to " "... and since I'm certain you will do it again, please make it this way: " ==See a lso== ".

However, I really don't understand your edits regarding the infobox, for instance changing in Taeyeon's article "김태연 (Kim Tae-yeon)" to "Kim Tae-yeon (김태연)" (I have to refer again to Ayumi Hamasaki, which is an "excellent article"), because I want to make it as original as possible and  is not even the official revised romanization.

At last regarding the "names" of the sections. You really can't write just " ==Voice== ", it has to be "Voice acting". The other changes are not that fatal but I don't understand why you want to make the titles that short. When you see other good Wikipedia articles, you will see that they are also longer sometimes.

So, I hope I didn't spoil your enjoyment of Wikipedia too much. I'm sorry but I really was shocked when I watched my watchlist and saw somebody undid my edit. And when I saw your edit on Sunny's talk page, claiming it wasn't me who moved the page to Sunny (Korean singer), I felt really attacked (clearly it was me: here. It looked like you wanted to rectify something... blabla not important...

This is really embarassing ans childish that our disagreement causes "this", so I hope we can find a consensus.

PS: Regarding the Korean wave (Don't worry, I will not undo again). It is simply wrong mentioning all those countries. Users just add a country if they read a blog article, claiming for instance a peruvian broadcasting station showed a Korean music video. But this isn't really relevant. And the two sources you added, the first just says "hitting particularly Europe" and the second is about MIDEM, where are artist from all other the world. Outside of Asia, most people never heard about the Korean wave. But I know it's really hyped in Korea and Korea Times and Korea Herald reporting often about this cultural phenomenon.

--80.237.191.132 (talk) 15:10, 4 June 2010 (UTC) (Dr. Crisp) As you can see, this is just an IP because I'm blocked for 12 hours :( (You're probably laughing now...but it's okay) (because of this edit... just wanted to correct years and spelling) but I really wanted to write this today (using Proxy right now). (Tomorrow, of course I will verify that it was really me (Dr. Crisp) who wrote this, by making a short edit on your userpage.)
 * Thanks for your post. I am not trying to make enemies on Wikipedia, and I was hesitant on filing the 3RR, that's why I just rollbacked you edits and I regret it. I apologize and I am glad that you've come to understand me. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and that's why we were conflicted also you need to learn to be open on here, and cut that ownership style out cause it will cause problems for you and others in the future. I am busy right now so I'm just leaving this quick reply I will explain my edits to you later. Cool :D EunSoo (talk) 15:48, 4 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Okay. But you need to learn to be open on here as well. This with Ayumi Hamasaki was really uncool. You don't want japanese characters because it looks neater...? --Dr. Crisp (talk) 06:35, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Ayumi Hamasaki
Is there a reason as to why you keep removing the Japanese spelling of her name in the header of infobox? MS  (Talk | Contributions)  16:06, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Also I see you are having some troubles with your editing, mostly because some editors do not agree with your editing style. To avoid such problems that might lead to an edit war start a discussion on the talk page and gain a consensus. MS  (Talk | Contributions)  16:16, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

You have been blocked from editing Wikipedia  as a result of your . You are free to make constructive edits after the block has expired, but please note that vandalism (including page blanking or addition of random text), spam, deliberate misinformation, privacy violations, personal attacks; and repeated, blatant violations of our policies concerning neutral point of view and biographies of living persons will not be tolerated. Syrthiss (talk) 18:03, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I reverted from 2 different users? EunSoo (talk) 18:12, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter who you revert from, its the fact that you are reverting. Clearly there are objections to your edits, but instead of stopping once someone objects and starting to discuss you are reinstating them. Syrthiss (talk) 18:14, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * That's not true I did discuss it didn't you see the talk page? But I reverted because they reverted it. I made the original edit so it is only logical that it be reverted back then discussed. EunSoo (talk) 18:27, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Wrong:
 * (cur | prev)  14:04, 4 June 2010 Sorafune (talk | contribs | block) m (90,482 bytes) (Reverted edits by EunSoo (talk) to last version by MS) (undo) initial editor reverts you
 * (cur | prev)  13:24, 4 June 2010 EunSoo (talk | contribs | block) (90,448 bytes) (Undid revision 366046541 by MS (talk)) (undo) you revert them, 4th revert
 * (cur | prev)  12:57, 4 June 2010 MS (talk | contribs | block) (90,482 bytes) (Undid revision 366043413 by EunSoo (talk) Rv, go to the talk page) (undo) they revert you again
 * (cur | prev)  12:34, 4 June 2010 EunSoo (talk | contribs | block) m (90,448 bytes) (undo) you revert them
 * (cur | prev)  12:01, 4 June 2010 MS (talk | contribs | block) (90,482 bytes) (Undid revision 366035639 by EunSoo (talk) Rv. I don't understand your reason for removing it) (undo) another editor reverts you
 * (cur | prev)  11:41, 4 June 2010 EunSoo (talk | contribs | block) (90,447 bytes) (1 title look to name template for Jap. characters) (undo) you revert them
 * (cur | prev)  07:43, 4 June 2010 Sorafune (talk | contribs | block) m (90,481 bytes) (Reverted edits by EunSoo (talk) to last version by TheOnlyOne12) (undo) they revert you
 * (cur | prev)  03:14, 4 June 2010 EunSoo (talk | contribs | block) m (90,447 bytes) (undo) you make the change initially

On top of that, you've since come back as what I assume is a proxy in China to make the same changes and have caused that to be blocked. In case you aren't aware of our policies regarding block evasion and sockpuppetry, that may cause extension of your block or banning you from Wikipedia entirely. I really very very strongly urge you to slow down, read up on our policies, and stop your disruptive edits. You're about two steps away from being blocked indefinitely. Syrthiss (talk) 18:38, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Block has been increased to 72 hours because of your block evasion, and the page has been locked to IP edits. You are now 1 step away. Syrthiss (talk) 18:42, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

June 2010
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"Tiffany (Korean entertainer)" listed at Redirects for discussion
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