User talk:EunSoo/Archive1

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Welcome to Wikipedia, EunSoo! I have been editing Wikipedia for quite some time. I just wanted to say hi and welcome you to Wikipedia! If you have any questions, feel free to leave me a message on or by typing helpme at the bottom of this page. I love to help new users, so don't be afraid to leave a message! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful: I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Also, when you post on talk pages you should sign your name on talk pages using four tildes ( ~ ); that should automatically produce your username and the date after your post. If you need help, check out Questions, ask me on, or place helpme on your talk page and ask your question there. Again, welcome! Reconsider !  06:17, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
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Page moves
In the future, please do not "move" pages by copying and pasting material from one page to another. This messes around with the page history, which is needed due to Wikipedia's copyright rules. As such, the "move" link (in the top right-hand corner, in the drop-down menu) is the only way you should move pages.

The main reason I undid your "moves", though, is because the pages are currently under the correct name. WP:COMMONNAME dictates that the page should be under the common name, which is why Kahi is under Kahi (entertainer). Although she is known in Korean media under "Park Gahee", she does not really use it professionally, like the rest of the After School members. As for Bi/Rain, he is officially "Rain" in English, even on his album jackets. "Bi" is only used in Korea. And regardless of that issue, he never goes by "Bi Rain"; it's one or the other.

I hope that makes sense. Message me back if you have any questions or concerns. Thanks! SKS (talk) 05:04, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, it's not a good thing to mark other people's edits as "vandalism" unless you clearly know it as such. SKS (talk) 05:06, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the quick reply. But a quick search in Google news shows that she's predominantly known as simply Kahi (가희).  This is the same reasoning as Girls' Generation: Although most of their last names are shown and occasionally used (Im Yoona, Kim Taeyeon), they're predominantly known by only their "first" names, and not with their surnames.  I hope that makes sense. SKS (talk) 05:12, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * One more thing &mdash; if you can't move a page, you must use this page. No exceptions.  I will be reverting the edits again shortly.  If you wish, you can try bringing it up at WP:RM. SKS (talk) 05:13, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * There are many instances where English artists are under their first name only. Madonna (entertainer) is one.  Usher (entertainer) is another.  It's just a matter of what they're commonly known as.  For example, with Usher, his full name is Usher Raymond, and it's a fact, but he professionally uses only his first name.  As such, the preferred name of the article is Usher.  And the fact that there's a page under Usher simply means that everything else has to be disambiguated.  I hope that makes sense. SKS (talk) 05:19, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Simply put, not everyone's gonna know the full names of all these people who don't use their full names. For people with common first names, that's what the disambiguation pages are there for.  For example, not everyone's gonna know Madonna's last name.  So when you look for Madonna, she'll be one of the links on that page.  The same goes for Bi and Rain.  I fixed it so that Kahi now has a link for Kahi (entertainer). SKS (talk) 05:55, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Move requests
Once a move you have proposed as uncontroversial has been contested, you may not continue to claim that those moves are uncontroversial. If you wish to pursue these moves, you must follow the procedures in the section WP:RM, which involves placing the appropriate move template on the Talk page of the article you wish to have moved. Regards-- Shelf Skewed  Talk  06:37, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh I see. So you don't like the idea of the move. EunSoo (talk) 06:40, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I do think that they are not good moves. But even if I agreed with you, it is clear that these moves are not uncontroversial and should not be made without a proper discussion.-- Shelf Skewed  Talk  06:44, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Let's start from the bottom. Exactly what is your issue with "Rain (entertainer)" as the article name? We have hundreds of thousands of "disambiguous" articles, such as Apple, Madonna, Love Letter, etc. If you're trying to find a totally unique name for Rain the article, don't bother because it is not a problem as far as wiki pages go. People who use wiki sites understand that they're not going to nail down the exact article he/she wants just by one click. It's going to take one or two additional clicks before the correct article is found. Groink (talk) 06:49, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Walking through White Darkness
I've enacted a procedural close on the AfD. As this is a redirect, WP:RFD is the correct venue to file a discussion on what should happen. I'm not au fait with the subject matter, so am unable to give an opinion on whether or not the redirect is a valid one. If you feel that the redirect is not a valid one, please feel free to file at RFD. Mjroots (talk) 12:30, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Disambiguation
Can I suggest you read WP:DISAMBIG as you appear to misunderstand the purpose of disambiguation and how it works. Thank you. Dpmuk (talk) 13:14, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Copy-paste moves
You have been told above that copy and paste moves, without attribution, are not allowed on wikipedia as they breach copyright (see WP:COPYPASTE for more information). Therefore I have reverted this edit of yours. Additionally we do not have two articles on the same subject so either Temptation of the Wolves or Temptation of Wolves needs to be a redirect. If you disagree about which one should be the redirect and which one should be the actual article please take to WP:RM. Continuing to re-introduce copy and past moves when you have been told not to could evebtually see you blocked. Dpmuk (talk)


 * Yes and that's okay. EunSoo (talk) 14:29, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Advice on moving procedure
Greetings again EunSoo, User:Groink asked me to talk to you about the normal process for page moves on Wikipedia. I bet you've actually learned quite a bit about that in the controversy surrounding Rain and other moves, so that I have little to say that hasn't been said by others. Basically, I think it's great that you're being bold and trying to change what you see as incorrect, but in the future if any of your proposals are controversial, you should slow down and let discussion work things out before taking action. Otherwise, it will just cause a lot of headache and maybe even be less likely to occur. - Draeco (talk) 15:13, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah it's frustrating when it seems like others don't listen; the best you can do is state your point clearly and trust it will eventually be borne out. As for archiving talk pages, there are several options. See Help:Archiving a talk page. - Draeco (talk) 20:45, 1 June 2010 (UTC)