User talk:Eupator/Archive 3

Re: Armenian picture
Thanks! -- Clevelander 22:31, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Great work!

 * Heh, no problem! :-P -- Clevelander 23:28, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

DYK nominations
Just a friendly reminder to make your DYK nominations at the bottom of the relevant date. BigHaz 23:36, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Yerevan is in Asia
Yerevan is in Asia geographically.

"Cease trolling"?
Noticed you wrote that in some editing notes when adding Flora of Armenia category tags. Just curious why you wrote that (made me go looking for trolls, but didn't find any). -- SB_Johnny | talk 00:36, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
 * LOL! Happens to the best of us, I suppose :). SB_Johnny  | talk 00:42, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Cat:Flora of Armenia
Hi Eupator - just to let you know, there's a few species you've added this category to, which are not native to Armenia (e.g. European Black Pine, Common Horse-chestnut); they shouldn't really be in this category. Also it is best not to add the category to large genera with an extensive range (e.g. Oak, which occurs on 5 continents and over 100 countries), just add it to the relevant species native in Armenia (e.g. Armenian Oak) - thanks, MPF 00:38, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks! - MPF 00:55, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Ancient Armenia and Nakhichevan
Eupator, I'm going to re-write the Nakhichevan history section and I was wondering, could you help me find more information in regards to Nakhichevan and its status as part of the Armenian Kingdom? Preferably, I want to make use of credible, non-Armenian sources, so I'm not accused of "bias." -- Clevelander 00:10, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Reply
Sure, just add or  to Yerevan Brandy Company. Once it's deleted, you can move the page. (I'm not an admin) &mdash; Khoikhoi 02:06, 7 August 2006 (UTC)


 * No problem. What I need is an admin is to protect this page right now. People keep deleting stuff. :( &mdash; Khoikhoi 03:23, 7 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks;). (i wonder when some admins will decide to protect it...). --Hectorian 03:28, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

ASALA
You don't mind the list, then don't delete it while reverting. What is it about openning separate page anyway? Kültigin (talk) 16:00, 10 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Well the entry has already been opened, it is for me to warn that you are about to violate the 3RR with your reverts on the ASALA article. Consider yourself warned nd quit it.  Kerten k e le b e k        Ⓣ 16:54, 10 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Just for your information, I was trying to keep my work from being deleted time after time, the others are simply edits rather than reverts. Report it anywhere, I'm just a contributor, not an eraser.  Kerten k e le b e k        Ⓣ 17:09, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Please be aware of 3RR
Hello Eupator, I know you are currently involved in the disputed page Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia. Please be aware that even though you have not violated WP:3RR, you have come rather close. Even though you have not violated it, it is always best to discuss changes before reverting, so as to avoid an edit war, like the one that has now caused the page to be protected. -- Nataly a 14:31, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Levzur
Is this guy banned yet? If he isn't, he should be. He keeps trolling the Georgian people page as, removing the image of Shevardnadze. An extra hand would be appreciated, thanks. &mdash; Khoikhoi 00:24, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Noravank
Hi Eupator - yes, I think the article is looking solid. The two sources for all of the information are Rediscovering Armenia and the Khalpakhchian book, both of which are listed under "Sources". In any case, since you have a good track record on the "Did you know...", maybe you could suggest something from the Noravank article. It looks great and it would be interesting to put something like Did you know... Noravank Monastery has a 667 year old two-storey church? OR ALTERNATIVELY has a 667 year old rare depiction of God the father holding Adam's head and blessing a crucifix? That would be cool... --RaffiKojian 13:26, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks - and I added a pic to the nomination. Hopefully it gets picked up. --RaffiKojian 02:12, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Re
I was using the subdivisions template to fix it up. -- Clevelander 15:48, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Is this correct?
Hey Eupator, is this the correct order of events?:


 * From 693 on, Arabs invaded Armenia and Nakhichevan and undertook many campaigns in the area crushing all resistance. Armenia then became an autonomous principality within both the Umayyad and Abbasid Caliphates. Under the Armenian principality, Nakhichevan became part of the the Vaspurakan province, which was ruled by the Artsruni dynasty during most of its history. -- Clevelander 14:53, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

This is great! Thanks! BTW, where did you get this information from? Chahin's book? (I haven't read it yet but I think I'm going to check it out at my local library) -- Clevelander 15:11, 17 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I just got the book from library now. Excellent. ;) -- Clevelander 21:38, 17 August 2006 (UTC)


 * You're welcome to fix it. -- Clevelander 15:12, 18 August 2006 (UTC)


 * You have my permission to change it. You know more about Armenia's ancient history than I do.  -- Clevelander 15:15, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, nevermind, it was part of Orontid Armenia first. My mistake. -- Clevelander 15:29, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for fixing that. BTW, do you have a specfic reference for that (including the page number from the book)?  That would be great! -- Clevelander 15:33, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Is there another specific book besides Hewsen that references this information? -- Clevelander 16:09, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I know but I just want to verify it. -- Clevelander 16:40, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * But where is Nakhichevan mentioned? -- Clevelander 16:48, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see. Referenced. -- Clevelander 20:26, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I fixed the order on the etymology section. According to Argam Ayvazian's The Historical Monuments Of Nakhichevan it was part of Vaspurakan. -- Clevelander 23:40, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I know that certain areas of the present-day autonomous republic (such as Ordubad) were part of historic Syunik, but I think that the focus of the region's early history should be on the city itself as that's where we can derive any historical record. It would be too much trouble to talk about the history of every district of the region.  -- Clevelander 23:52, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

DYK
Hi, I've included the article on the template since it is a good one, next time please list it on the day the majority of the expansion was done (in this case it should have been listed on the 9th on the suggestion page). Thanks.--Peta 10:01, 18 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Hey Eupator, I got the same message from Peta, and I must say I'm confused. I didn't notice Noravank on the Main Page yesterday - and I don't think it's due to time zone issues, so what does the above mean?  Was it on the main page?  I also don't see it on the archive page, and I don't see it on any template either...  Where did it go??  I'm quite confused! :-S  --RaffiKojian 05:35, 19 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Too bad it was so brief, but I guess they only last a few hours anyway, since there are so many suggestions. I have now (as you've seen) created a solid Kecharis page, thanks for the edits.  The thing about the spelling of the donor family is that, although I agree with you the name should be spelled with an H, the plaque does not have one.  That could be local sloppiness (like how they call Alex Manoogian street here Alek Manukyan), but I can't be sure.  Do you know for sure if the family spells it with or without an H?  Here they often use the Russianized latin transliteration which leads to that mistake...  --RaffiKojian 17:51, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Famous Armenians from Nakhichevan
Are there anymore famous Armenians from Nakhichevan besides Gaik Ovakimian and Garegin Njdeh? -- Clevelander 12:49, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
 * To avoid any further disputes, I removed the nomination. I don't think that the Soviet and Russian sections are "full of Azeri POV".  As a matter of fact, they are far more compromising than earlier versions which claimed that the area was under full administration of the Azerbaijan Democratic Republic and that "Armenia claimed it for itself" as if to depict us (the Armenians) as self-centered and ambitious.  If you have any specific complaints about the article, send them to me and I will address each one and give you a reason for it. -- Clevelander 16:29, 19 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Still, I'd like to hear your take on certain sections of the article. For me and in my perspective, it would far be less time consuming if you just tell me straight out your problems with the article and from there we can work out the issues. I don't have time to read all of the Nakhichevan archives (I participated in 5 of 7 of them).


 * I checked out the first archive awhile back and it was mostly about the destruction of khachkars in Nakhichevan (I thought Raffi had a very good basis for his argument, admittedly, though he mentions Khoikhoi who doesn't seem to participate in the discussion at all). This issue has been largely resolved (it's included and at least nobody is totally wiping it from the page) and our greatest obstacle (Adil and his erroneous and tangential claims regarding the HETQ article) seems to have left for good.


 * The Shah Abbas issue also came up. Although I sympathize with the point of view that Shah Abbas completely denuded Nakhichevan of its majority Armenian population, nobody was able to come up with a solid source proving that the entire area was majority Armenian at the time.  Also, it would be hard to determine this given the lack of census statistics that we have been able to find from the period in which this incident occured.  It is for this exact reason that Grandmaster cannot prove that Muslims were a majority either.  One thing has come to be clear from the whole issue though: that Armenians constituted a majority in Julfa at the time and that Julfa was indeed looted and burned afterwards.  Thus the version that stands now states the facts that we know of for sure.  In other words, it's a "safe" version.  Do know though that if an independent (or well-researched) source comes up that confirms that Armenians were a majority, I would waste no time in including it.  The source too needs to address our point of view clearly (in other words not make a vague reference about it but actually say something to the extent of "the Armenian population was a majority in Nakhichevan in 1604").  If it doesn't then our opponent editor (e.g. Grandmaster) has the edge over us.  This is how I prevailed in my arguments regarding Nakhichevan asserting "near-total independence from Baku" (thanks to the LoC's country study on Azerbaijan) and how I proved to GM that the invasion of Karki did not take place in 1989 or 1990 but in May 1992 (from the Human Rights Watch).  Why let me tell you, right now, I'm still continuing in proving my point over the 1931 territorial adjustments that Andrew Andersen cites in his work.


 * Now, if you have any problems with the article, again, I invite you to sound them off to me and I shall address them. -- Clevelander 19:02, 19 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Also you never answered my earlier question: Are there anymore famous Armenians from Nakhichevan besides Gaik Ovakimian and Garegin Njdeh? -- Clevelander 00:38, 21 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks Eup! :) -- Clevelander 10:23, 21 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks again! This information is very helpful. Actually, while I was searching via Google for names of prominent Armenians from Nakhichevan one website erroneously stated that Khachaturian was from there.  Now I understand the connection between his family and Nakhichevan.


 * Hopefully tonight I should be getting some rare Soviet maps showing the 1931 territorial adjustments in the South Caucasus (in which more territory from Soviet Armenia to Azerbaijan - though Armenia ended up getting Lori from Georgia in the end). I'll keep you up on this. -- Clevelander 23:48, 21 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Alright, I will from now on, thanks! Fedayee 00:28, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Be sure to recognize the genocide
Hey Eup, I made this template awhile back and I thought you might want to add it to your user page (like I have):

-- Clevelander 23:04, 24 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Why is this template insulting? -- Clevelander 16:54, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Great. But that's no reason to be insulted by it.  Not everybody recognizes or even knows about the Armenian Genocide.  This template was designed to promote awareness of it.  If you found it insulting, I'm sorry.  My great-grandfather was a victim of the Genocide so it's a personal subject for me. -- Clevelander 17:00, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


 * There isn't a Holocaust template because people are aware of it. Only a few people are aware of the Armenian Genocide. I will take your suggestion, though and alter the template to say that it opposes denial.  -- Clevelander 17:04, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay, I fixed all the Genocide tags to read "This user opposes denial of the "Armenian Genocide" instead. Thanks for the tip! Best, Clevelander 19:36, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Grigor Suny
Hey Eup,

MarshallBagramyan told me that you told him that Grigor Suny said that he supports the unification of Azerbaijan and calls the Armenian Genocide something that was not planned in its stead. Where did you find this information? Just curious. -- Clevelander 19:51, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Mike Adams
Hey, there is an attempt going on right now to delete the Mike Adams (criminology professor) article. Adams is a contributor to Townhall.com, a professor at UNC-Wilmington, and a well-known conservative pundit. There haven't been many votes over there, so I thought I'd tell a couple of people to go vote. Thanks for the help. Chicken Wing 01:33, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Andersen
Where exactly did you find the information regarding the Phrygians as Celts and Armenia's extended existence within the Roman Empire on Andersen's site? -- Clevelander 00:11, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I see. I don't think Andersen is as keen on his early history studies as he is on the modern history of the South Caucasus region (he has a lot of information - both credible and impartial - regarding the region in the 19th and 20th centuries).  You can e-mail him and inform him of his mistakes.  If you provide a solid source (which you no doubt have), then I'm sure he will correct them. -- Clevelander 02:18, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Zvartnots
Hi. No, the content on Armeniapedia is not in the public domain unless it is explicitely stated. You can use the materials on the Zvartnots page though. Let me know if there's anything else. I can as Uyi if it's ok to use his photo as well if you like (which is on the Armeniapedia page), since it is a really great picture (I think)... --RaffiKojian 02:57, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Nakhichevan as part of the Vaspurakan province
You once told me of the other specific regions of Nakhichevan belonging to other parts of Great Armenia. Which areas were these specifically? Be sure to give me referenjces as well. -- Clevelander 10:48, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Unspecified source for Image:Marblestatueartaxata.jpg
Thanks for uploading Image:Marblestatueartaxata.jpg. I notice the file's description page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you have not created this file yourself, then there needs to be a justification explaining why we have the right to use it on Wikipedia (see copyright tagging below). If you did not create the file yourself, then you need to specify where it was found, i.e., in most cases link to the website where it was taken from, and the terms of use for content from that page.

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Genocide template
Eup, I probably should have told you this earlier, but I just want to say that I was a bit hurt by your reaction to my template (especially since the Genocide is a personal subject for me and my family). You could have been a bit more friendlier and gave me the suggestion of rewording the template early on before criticizing it. If I, for whatever reason, made you upset, then I apologize by all means. Kindest regards, Clevelander 15:34, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Did you get this? I don't want to have any bad blood between us and I want to resolve any differences we may have.  Just wondering. Best, Clevelander 19:48, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
 * No problem! :) I would have been even more willing to change the template had you just said that made your suggestion to begin with.  Best, Clevelander 20:09, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I fixed my statement now. You should be able to understand it. Kudos, Clevelander 20:33, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Heh, no problem, my friend. -- Clevelander 20:42, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

About Sayat-Nova
The Azeri spelling of the name has to be given in both Arabic and Roman scripts. The former was originally used by Sayat-Nova, however nowadays is considered obsolete, hence the official Azeri literary language script must also be given. There isn't a rule that says if a foreign spelling does not differ from the English one, it must be omitted. You can see identical English and German spellings for Basel; English and French for Berne; English, Serbian, Croatian, and Romanian for Novi Sad, etc. ~ Parishan 1:17, 10 September 2006 (EST)

Lutherian
I've warned him, but honestly, I'd hesitate to block him for something he was incivily provoced to say. --InShaneee 01:52, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Trip to Yerevan
Good luck, basically get all of the stations and their vestibules in the Metro and whatever else is needed. Sorry for the delay of reply. --Kuban Cossack 13:06, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Happy independence day!
Today Armenia celebrates 15 years of independence! Kenats't! -- Clevelander 00:27, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Nauxana
Please stop reverting to this nonsense. It is abominable as etymology, and a clear factual error. if the grievance here is the calim that Nakhichevan/Nauxana extends inside Turkey, I have emended. It's not my claim; it's the ark-seeker Michelson's. JCScaliger 04:55, 21 September 2006 (UTC) According to Josephus, the name "Nakhichevan" in Armenian literally means "the place of descent", a Biblical reference to the descent of Noah's Ark on the adjacent Mount Ararat.

I don't care whether the note lower in the page remains or not; although it was an effort to research. But please don't put this error in. JCScaliger 04:57, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Nakhichevan crisis
JCScaliger seems to be disproving the entire etymology section on the Nakhichevan page. Do you know of another source besides Josephus that confirms that Nakhichevan in Armenian literally means "the place of descent?" -- Clevelander 20:10, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks! -- Clevelander 21:26, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
 * No, simply the single sentence. Josephus says some word in Armenian means Place of Descent; but he does not say that the word is Nakhichevan; he does not specify it at all. Josephus' text can be found here; page down to [89]. I don't see why this is a crisis; the correct statement belongs in Armenia or Ancient History of Armenia JCScaliger 21:52, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

AG
Oops, dunno how I reverted to the wrong version, or how I did not notice your revert... thanks for fixing it again. --RaffiKojian 04:25, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

History of Armenia
History of Iran is incredible incorrect because of the user Khosrow II and user Tajik they're Iranian nationalists, even they try to be world as Iranian :) No one stops them. Regarding Urartu language, it's totaly agglutinative like Turkish, Georgian and like others but Armenian is really belong to Indo-European language. There is artistic a sentence in the history; "If you want to assimilate one nation, obliterate the language first" -Zaparojdik 22:10, 23 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I won't revert it again for now but if I think with your theory regarding history of France, why not Urartu doesn't belong to history of Turkey? :) They lived in Turkish lands. It just makes me laugh. Armenians are unlucky nation about creating history, because of language blocks them to do it. -Zaparojdik 22:41, 23 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I respect Eupator and Armenia, greet from Bulgaria my friend

BTW - Turks made a genocide in Armenia - merciless by the law of the Koran!

84.252.58.133 14:38, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Krikor Balakian
Khlopetz! What was wrong with Krikor Balakian to remove the link without a single word? Apocolocynthosis 21:41, 26 September 2006 (UTC):Thank you very much, you're such a big help, indeed! :Ara Baliozian: ''Sooner or later all Armenians realize that to trust an Armenian on the grounds that he is Armenian is unwise. Among my friends and acquaintances I count several who began by trusting their fellow Armenians and ended by avoiding them like the plague.--Apocolocynthosis 09:47, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

wow
I guess that other issue looks taken care of. BTW that is quite many countries you have travelled to or been! Pretty amazing. BTW how was your trip in Iran? --alidoostzadeh 17:31, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Armenians
I'm not shitting you. To get the user to stop inserting his pictures to the article I told him to go to the talk page. All you have to say is you disagree with him (or ignore him), and then he will realize that he no has support. Comments should only be deleted if they are personal attacks, per WP:RPA–which isn't even an official policy. &mdash; Khoikhoi 03:30, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Portal:Armenia image
Hey Eup, not sure if you saw my comment on the Portal:Armenia talk page, but again, you're right it does need to be scaled down. Also, what font do you suggest we use and do you think the image selection is good or do you have any suggestions for it? -- Clevelander 10:25, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Gotcha. Any suggestions for the images or are they just fine? -- Clevelander 20:06, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I scaled down the image to 570. Why do you want to change the image of Mount Ararat to a green landscape? -- Clevelander 18:42, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Not a problem! -- Clevelander 19:52, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Khruschev and Brezhnev in Armenia Images
Do you still have these? If so, could be please re-upload them to Wikipedia. It looks as though somebody removed the PD-Soviet tag from them without notifying you and so after 24 days, they were deleted. They were great images and I think you should bring them back. -- Clevelander 14:21, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
 * According to the deletion log on Wikimedia Commons, they were deleted by a user named Nilfanion.  If you put the Soviet tags on them, then there is a possibility that somebody removed them and replaced them with "inadequate copyright" tags (this has happened to me recently too), due to unsureness over the copyright status of Soviet material. -- Clevelander 15:21, 7 October 2006 (UTC)